There sure are a lot of H2H leagues (1 Viewer)

[Eephus]

Judging from a small sample of how's my team and who do I draft threads, there sure are a lot of people playing in H2H leagues. Maybe this is just a local oddity because it's a baseball sideboard of a football site, but I always thought more people played roto in baseball.

I've only played roto myself. Without getting into a religious war, what's the appeal of playing H2H? Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

 

[Pnishthm]

Judging from a small sample of how's my team and who do I draft threads, there sure are a lot of people playing in H2H leagues. Maybe this is just a local oddity because it's a baseball sideboard of a football site, but I always thought more people played roto in baseball. I've only played roto myself. Without getting into a religious war, what's the appeal of playing H2H? Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

I can only speak for myself, but I have played in both and enjoyed H2H much more and it's not even close. In roto the season just seems so damn long and sometimes it can seem like watching paint dry. In H2H it's almost like getting a fresh start EVERY week. I also like that I still get to pull for players that I like that are not on my team (unless of course I am playing against them). In roto, you basically have to pull against everyone that's not on your team. Sure a little more luck is involved in H2H but unlike football, the baseball season is long enough where it all seems to even out most of the time.

 

[MrBlonde]

Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

Yeah it definitely keeps teams more competitive past Labor Day. Nothings worse then knowing that you have virtually no chance of winning. At least with a bad team in H2H you can get lucky and eke your way into the playoffs (which can also be a reason why you DON'T like H2H0. I love playing against other rival owners as well and playoffs are always fun.

 

[Finless]

Judging from a small sample of how's my team and who do I draft threads, there sure are a lot of people playing in H2H leagues. Maybe this is just a local oddity because it's a baseball sideboard of a football site, but I always thought more people played roto in baseball. I've only played roto myself. Without getting into a religious war, what's the appeal of playing H2H? Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

I'm in a H2H keeper league and I love it. Weekly match ups, like you're actually playing for something...not just waiting for an outcome at the end of the year.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

H2H is too gimmicky. Too many ways to game the system. Lots of luck involved like football only the longer season evens it out a bit.

Don't like it at all.

 

[boom king]

Judging from a small sample of how's my team and who do I draft threads, there sure are a lot of people playing in H2H leagues. Maybe this is just a local oddity because it's a baseball sideboard of a football site, but I always thought more people played roto in baseball. I've only played roto myself. Without getting into a religious war, what's the appeal of playing H2H? Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

I'm in a H2H keeper league and I love it. Weekly match ups, like you're actually playing for something...not just waiting for an outcome at the end of the year.

do you get paid for each week if you win? serious question. that would make it more enjoyable for me.

 

[pollardsvision]

i've noticed it too.

i'm not sure why people would want to ruin fantasy baseball by turning it into a week to week crapshoot.

i love fantasy football too, but that's what it's for.

fantasy baseball is not.

the reason for the H2H growth is fairly simple: fantasy football converts.

the typical "everyone is in it all year long" reasoning sounds like weanie reasoning to me.

it's fantasy baseball socialism.

here in america, we like to reward excelllence and pound inferiority into submission.

 

[AcerFC]

We had this discussion a while back, however I can not find the thread.

It really comes down to what you prefer. There are positives and negatives of both.

Roto die hards will tell you that roto is the only place that the best team really wins and everyone is in it the whole year. I have played in more then one roto league where the season was over for all but 3-4 teams by the end of April.

I play in both and for me, H2H is by far and away the better way to go. Now I play in a points league instead of a category H2H league. Again, different strokes for different folks. There are people that dont consider that fantasy baseball but I love it and it really does keep everyone in it til the end because you are always 2-3 games out of the last playoff spot.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Judging from a small sample of how's my team and who do I draft threads, there sure are a lot of people playing in H2H leagues. Maybe this is just a local oddity because it's a baseball sideboard of a football site, but I always thought more people played roto in baseball.

I've only played roto myself. Without getting into a religious war, what's the appeal of playing H2H? Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

I can only speak for myself, but I have played in both and enjoyed H2H much more and it's not even close. In roto the season just seems so damn long and sometimes it can seem like watching paint dry. In H2H it's almost like getting a fresh start EVERY week. I also like that I still get to pull for players that I like that are not on my team (unless of course I am playing against them). In roto, you basically have to pull against everyone that's not on your team. Sure a little more luck is involved in H2H but unlike football, the baseball season is long enough where it all seems to even out most of the time.

I like the rivalry and weekly outcome of HTH. In all fairness I have never tried ROTO, but it doesn't seem very appealing to me.

 

[Bobcat10]

I prefer roto, but I'll have a taste of each kind of leagues every year...roto, h2h, straight points, h2h with points. To me, 6x6 is the best way to go with baseball, but all formats have positive values.

Much of the h2h stems from football imo, and that's why I think it's factual to say there are more h2h leagues than roto overall. Some people get started in football and then migrate to baseball and basketball. Not saying that's how everyone gets involved, just alot of people.

 

[Green94]

Trying Roto for the first time this year. Not sure what to expect.

H2H offers a weekly challenge and delivers immediate results whereas Roto is a year long "game". That and the ability of H2H to mirror real life baseball with standings and such probably is enticing.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Roto:

Long grind where you might lose half the league by the All Star break because they have no shot at winning anything.

H2H

New opponent every week - fun if you're in a league with friends.

After a bad week everything starts over on Monday

There is usually a playoff format in H2H after a 23 week season - this keep all teams interested fighting for the 6th playoff spot.

I enjoy both for different reasons.

 

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Have never done H2H and figured I'd give it a shot in one of my leagues this year. Doing it in a friends/family league where the H2H aspect is enhanced by personal rivalries/trash talking between relatives.

 

[Sammy3469]

I prefer roto, but I'll have a taste of each kind of leagues every year...roto, h2h, straight points, h2h with points. To me, 6x6 is the best way to go with baseball, but all formats have positive values.

Much of the h2h stems from football imo, and that's why I think it's factual to say there are more h2h leagues than roto overall. Some people get started in football and then migrate to baseball and basketball. Not saying that's how everyone gets involved, just alot of people.

I think that's a pretty misleading assertion. The whole H2H for baseball is a pretty recent development. Up until 5 or so years ago almost every league I've ever been a part of had been roto and certainly the origins of the game go back to 4x4 roto in the 80s. I think the Internet opened up whole new avenues. Having said that I generally prefer roto. In H2H it much easier to dump multiple categories and compete. It makes going to extremes with your team the a decent strategy (something you wouldn't do in roto). Having said that, I do like the fact that H2H places an emphasis on SP as you try to get 2 start weeks and the like.

 

[Bobcat10]

I prefer roto, but I'll have a taste of each kind of leagues every year...roto, h2h, straight points, h2h with points. To me, 6x6 is the best way to go with baseball, but all formats have positive values.

Much of the h2h stems from football imo, and that's why I think it's factual to say there are more h2h leagues than roto overall. Some people get started in football and then migrate to baseball and basketball. Not saying that's how everyone gets involved, just alot of people.

I think that's a pretty misleading assertion. The whole H2H for baseball is a pretty recent development. Up until 5 or so years ago almost every league I've ever been a part of had been roto and certainly the origins of the game go back to 4x4 roto in the 80s. I think the Internet opened up whole new avenues. Having said that I generally prefer roto. In H2H it much easier to dump multiple categories and compete. It makes going to extremes with your team the a decent strategy (something you wouldn't do in roto). Having said that, I do like the fact that H2H places an emphasis on SP as you try to get 2 start weeks and the like.

You're probably right. I shouldn't state something as fact like that. Do you think if you tallied up all baseball league types that roto would be >50%?

 

[JohnnyU]

Our league is H2H by categories, so it's not really H2H the way some leagues do it. We play an opponent for the entire week, where you are playing for 10 categories (5 hitting and 5 pitching). At the end of that week, if you win 7 categories to 3, then your overall record is 7 wins and 3 losses. Then the next week you tie 5-5, your overall record would be 12-8 after two weeks.

 

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Our league is H2H by categories, so it's not really H2H the way some leagues do it. We play an opponent for the entire week, where you are playing for 10 categories (5 hitting and 5 pitching). At the end of that week, if you win 7 categories to 3, then your overall record is 7 wins and 3 losses. Then the next week you tie 5-5, your overall record would be 12-8 after two weeks.

Actually from what I understand that's the way most H2H leagues do it... at east every one I've ever seen.

 

[JohnnyU]

Our league is H2H by categories, so it's not really H2H the way some leagues do it. We play an opponent for the entire week, where you are playing for 10 categories (5 hitting and 5 pitching). At the end of that week, if you win 7 categories to 3, then your overall record is 7 wins and 3 losses. Then the next week you tie 5-5, your overall record would be 12-8 after two weeks.

Actually from what I understand that's the way most H2H leagues do it... at east every one I've ever seen.

I wasn't sure, but I bet you're right.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Our league is H2H by categories, so it's not really H2H the way some leagues do it. We play an opponent for the entire week, where you are playing for 10 categories (5 hitting and 5 pitching). At the end of that week, if you win 7 categories to 3, then your overall record is 7 wins and 3 losses. Then the next week you tie 5-5, your overall record would be 12-8 after two weeks.

Actually from what I understand that's the way most H2H leagues do it... at east every one I've ever seen.

I wasn't sure, but I bet you're right.

We do the same in a 7X7 weekly H2H league.If you get swept the first week and lose all 14 categories your record after Week 1 is 0-14.

 

[Finless]

Well why don't we look at it this way. In real baseball, do they crown the team with the overall best stats at the end of the season? No, you compete on a daily basis against a team. That's how sports work. Any team can win a series regardless of how they played for the previous months. I like competing against another team for a week. It's fun.

This is my first year doing roto so I'll see how it plays out. It appears to just be stats compiling and not a daily competition

 

[cobalt_27]

Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

Based on my experience...Yes.No.Yes.As a method of determining the "best" team, H2H is a poor system. Would much rather go with a roto league. But, in terms of sustained entertainment value, I think the H2H is far more enjoyable and interesting. I've played in both, and it is just wretched if you're in 6th place in August/September. But, in H2H leagues, you could be jamming the free agent wire with claims until the last week of the season hoping to salvage that last playoff spot.

 

[Finless]

Does it drive parity and keep more teams competitive past Labor Day? Does it diminish the value of single category freaks? Or is it the rivalry of playing against one other owner at a time?

Based on my experience...Yes.

No.

Yes.

As a method of determining the "best" team, H2H is a poor system. Would much rather go with a roto league. But, in terms of sustained entertainment value, I think the H2H is far more enjoyable and interesting. I've played in both, and it is just wretched if you're in 6th place in August/September. But, in H2H leagues, you could be jamming the free agent wire with claims until the last week of the season hoping to salvage that last playoff spot.

Just like the Colorado Rockies last year. These things happen in sports. His OBP was great, he had a ton of steals, WHIMP was way down and his GORK was top shelf. Give him the crown!!!Last year my team raked. I outscored the nearest team by 350+ points. I ended up having a terrible week in the playoffs and finished 3rd. Oh well, these things happen in sports daily. It's sucks but that's how things work.



Hey, check out my stats

 

[foxman]

I am in 2 of each this year and last year was my first Roto year. I prefer H2H, but I am a relative newb with Fantasy Baseball, this is only my 3rd or 4th year where as I have played in many MANY football leagues since Jerry Rice was a first round pick.

So, I suppose the H2H worked for me because it was similar to Football, but I could see loosing interest in Roto quick if my team wasnt very good.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

The goal of any competition is to have the best team. Roto accomplishes that.

The fact that half the teams are out of it in the first six weeks is not unlike the real thing. One caveat though is that I always play roto keeper leagues, where even if you are out of it in June, it still benefits you to keep checking in and making moves/trades to develop your team.

I can see how roto redraft leagues would be boring at that point, but I think redrafts in general are pretty boring regardless of sport.

 

[Angry Beavers]

FWIW, my only two leageus have always been Roto. I added a H2H league this year at teh urging of a buddy who had an open spot. The entry fee for the H2H was a lot less than the other two, so I figured what the heck!

 

[boom king]

The goal of any competition is to have the best team. Roto accomplishes that.The fact that half the teams are out of it in the first six weeks is not unlike the real thing. One caveat though is that I always play roto keeper leagues, where even if you are out of it in June, it still benefits you to keep checking in and making moves/trades to develop your team.I can see how roto redraft leagues would be boring at that point, but I think redrafts in general are pretty boring regardless of sport.

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[Doctor Detroit]

HTH is for fantasy people, Roto is for baseball people. With such a long season the best player is a roto player as HTH would involve too many things not associated with baseball.

 

[boom king]

HTH is for fantasy people, Roto is for baseball people. With such a long season the best player is a roto player as HTH would involve too many things not associated with baseball.

wow, that actually makes alot of sense.

 

[cobalt_27]

HTH is for fantasy people, Roto is for baseball people. With such a long season the best player is a roto player as HTH would involve too many things not associated with baseball.

So, what do "baseball people" who also moonlight as "fantasy people" do?Sounds kind of like roto is for the private school, snobby, elite baseball types. Is there room for non-snobby-elite baseball people?