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There's NO REALITY to FANTASY (1 Viewer)

RKMoney

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couldn't stop laughing when I read this, so true on so many levels and glad someone is finally talking about what a crapshoot FF has become and involves little strategy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...=simmons/061006

By Bill Simmons

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While glancing at available free agents in my West Coast fantasy league this week, I noticed David Carr's name at the top of the point list. Any time you see Carr leading a category of anything other than "most sacks" or "most times a QB looked like he might cry on the sidelines," it's a little jarring. But since we have 10 teams and 18 rosters spots apiece, you wouldn't call it incredible or anything.

Well, until I noticed Carr had 78 points. Seventy-eight points through four weeks? Seems a little high, right? It's not as though we have a goofy scoring system or anything; we count four points for every passing TD, six for every TD run/catch, one for every 10 rushing/receiving yards and one for every 20 passing yards. If you're getting 20 points a week from your QB, that's pretty good. Intrigued, I clicked on another button that listed the highest point-getters in our league (roster players and free agents). Here was the top five:

1. Donovan McNabb, 115 pts

2. Peyton Manning, 89 pts

3. Charlie Frye, 84 pts

4. Rex Grossman, 81 pts

5. David Carr, 78 pts

Look at those last three guys! Are you kidding me? The list became more and more amazing as I scrolled down. Jon Kitna was eighth. Chad Pennington was 10th. Brian Westbrook and Frank Gore were the only non-QBs in the top 20. The Bears' defense had as many points as LaDainian Tomlinson. I could go on and on.

And granted, bye weeks have screwed up some of the rankings. But we could be headed toward the weirdest fantasy football season ever. Consider these 10 realities after four weeks:

1. Three backs (LDT, LJ and Alexander) cracked the 300-point mark in 2005 … and nobody's on pace for 300 this year. I'm not even sure you could call it an aberration that will rectify itself over the course of the season. Other than Tomlinson, is there a back that makes you feel, "Wow, I'm totally set with this guy"? Didn't think so. Plus, only 12 points separate the No. 11 RB (Willis McGahee at 46) from the No. 26 RB (Tiki Barber at 34). It's a swollen middle class, with a tiny upper class and a humongous lower class. And it's really not that fun.

(Note: I blame the platoons. If we drafted team running games like we draft team defenses, it wouldn't be so much of a crapshoot every year and we wouldn't have to slave over the waiver wire dregs every week. Running back platoons are slowly ruining fantasy football. We need to accept this and embrace it. When multiple teams are putting in bids for Vernand Morency, things have gone too far.)



2. The tight end position has become as useful as a sideline reporter or an appendix. Nobody has more than 34 points total. Ridiculous. Which reminds me, we're about two weeks from me making the first "Where are they holding the funeral for Antonio Gates' fantasy career?" joke. Just warning you now.

3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.



4. The Baltimore and Chicago defenses are well ahead of every other fantasy D right now, which isn't surprising because two or three stand out every year. But when you consider that Chicago's sked includes three more NFC North games, Losman/Gradkowski/Alex Smith/Culpepper at home, Matt Leinart's second start (on national TV, no less), at least six or seven cold-weather games and a mid-November Jets game scheduled for after Pennington's season-ending-injury-that-hasn't-happened-yet … I mean, we could be looking at a situation here where (A) the Bears' D doubles the fantasy points of every other defense except the Ravens', and (B) it could be a top-20 fantasy "entity" (for lack of a better word) after everything's said and done. In my league last season, the highest defense had 122 points. The Bears are on pace for 200 right now. Crazy.

(Which got me thinking: Imagine if we were playing fantasy back in the mid-'80s? Would the Chicago D have been a first-round pick? With all the crazy Web sites we have now, why couldn't someone start one where it's a fake "fantasy preview" of an upcoming season where the top 10 players/defenses are ranked at each position, using only the information from the previous few years and "projecting" how they might do. Come on, like you wouldn't click on a 1985 fake preview to see who made up the top 10? I refuse to believe it. You're lying.)

5. Four white receivers (Mike Furrey, Drew Bennett, Wes Welker and Matt Jones) have more fantasy points than Randy Moss. Actually, Furrey has nearly three times as many points as Moss: 34 to 13. That's why he has replaced Kurt Warner as the pride of the Arena Football League.

(Motivational note: One of the Raiders coaches needs to show Moss tape of some Furrey catches, then tell him, "I waived you in my fantasy league this week and picked this little white dude up." If that doesn't wake Moss up, I give up.) :lmao:

6. I hate playing the "he's on pace" gimmick because we all know things even out over the course of a season. To some degree, anyway. But Rams kicker Jeff Wilkins is on pace for 60 field goals and 20 PATs right now, and if you've watched St. Louis' end zone struggles at all -- take it from someone who watches every Rams game now -- you know these final numbers are absolutely conceivable. Sixty field goals in one season! This number is actually in play!



7. Not only do rookies Laurence Maroney (52), Joe Addai (37) and Maurice Jones-Drew (30) have more points than Reggie Bush (29), but you wouldn't be able to trade him for any of those guys, and there's a decent chance Jerious Norwood and DeAngelo Williams could pass him in the next few weeks. You know the guy in your league who took him five rounds too early? You can officially start busting his balls.

(Question: Why hasn't anyone started calling Maurice Jones-Drew "Mo-Jo" yet? Or is that too easy?)

8. The top 12 in everyone's draft featured four potential lemons: LaMont Jordan (stuck in a fantasy quagmire in Oakland); Ronnie Brown (being slaughtered by the Culpeppocalypse); Cadillac Williams (has a first-rounder ever landed on a fantasy waiver wire when he's been healthy?); and Steve Smith (I still don't trust those hammies). And that's before we get to Bush, Chambers, Moss, T.O., Lewis, Droughns, Delhomme and everyone else.

9. There's no way to corroborate this, but we're probably on pace to break the record for "most cheap fantasy points at the end of already-decided games," highlighted by Marques Colston's spread-busting 86-yard TD in the final 90 seconds of the Carolina game (a mortal lock for the "Alcoa's Greatest Gambling Moments" 2006 wrap-up show on ESPN6).

10. Bernard Berrian, Donte' Stallworth, Greg Jennings, Jerricho Cotchery, Reggie Williams, Doug Gabriel, Colston, Furrey … I mean, why even spend the money on a fantasy magazine in August anymore? What's the point? These guys never even hint about emerging until the last two weeks of the exhibition season or unless they were suddenly traded somewhere else, right? Let's all agree to stop buying magazines. Waste of money.

Which brings me back to my original point: We're overthinking this whole fantasy football thing. It has evolved into a billion-dollar industry, a convoluted excuse to waste time and keep in touch with friends, one of those rare hobbies that balances competitiveness, male bonding and trash talking in the best ways possible. We kill ourselves trying to outsmart one another, and there isn't a single moment on Sundays and Mondays when we're not monitoring dozens of guys at once. But there are two hard-core realities that can't be ignored:



Reality A: There's either a 9-in-10 chance or an 11-in-12 chance that you're going to lose your league, depending how deep it is.

Reality B: Thanks to platoons, free-agent movement, injuries, unpredictable rookies, bad luck and everything else, fantasy football has turned into a freaking crapshoot.

Nowadays, anyone has a chance. Take my buddy Camp, the original commissioner of my East Coast League before he got married, had a couple of kids and stepped down. OK, we fired him for negligence. Now he's one of Those Guys in our league -- the guy who starts players during their bye weeks, waits four weeks to waive someone who's out for the year and offers crazy trades like "Wes Welker for Laurence Maroney." He's also one of the funniest owners (the master of inappropriate mom/sister jokes); he laughs at everyone else's jokes on the annual conference call; his team name is high comedy (a college joke I can't print), and his teams have the bizarre ability to remain annually competitive even though he's two to three guys short every week. The pluses always outweigh the minuses with Camper, even after you get bounced from the final playoff spot because he accidentally started a running back with a blown ACL against the guy who ended up beating you out.

Well, Camper's 2006 team includes Tomlinson, Eli Manning, Tatum Bell, Antonio Bryant, Stallworth and Anquan Boldin. Did we make fun of him for taking Bell, Bryant and Stallworth too early? Yes. Yes, we did. Does he even know who half these guys are? It's unclear.

But here's something I do know: His team whupped my team in Week 2.

That's right, Camper's a contender this season. And when he waived Jake Plummer before Week 3 and picked up David Carr, it was destiny. Yup, Camper is going to win our league title; David Carr will help lead the way; and all of this makes sense because this is fantasy football and nothing makes sense anymore.

 
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This part was in his pick em part of the article, funny!

SAINTS (-6.5) over Bucs

Two gambling rules in direct conflict here: "Never take a crappy QB on the road" (in this case, Bruce Gradkowski) and "Never pick a team when you can't think of a single reason not to take it." You know what? I'm riding the Saints at home until they blow one. Too much crazy karma going on there.

(Random note No. 2: Colston being available at tight end in Yahoo/ESPN.com fantasy leagues might be the all-time fantasy glitch to end all fantasy glitches. It's like being able to use Travis Hafner at catcher. This has been the biggest story of the 2006 season that nobody covered -- they should have been leading "SportsCenter" with it.)

 
This part was in his pick em part of the article, funny!

SAINTS (-6.5) over Bucs

Two gambling rules in direct conflict here: "Never take a crappy QB on the road" (in this case, Bruce Gradkowski) and "Never pick a team when you can't think of a single reason not to take it." You know what? I'm riding the Saints at home until they blow one. Too much crazy karma going on there.

(Random note No. 2: Colston being available at tight end in Yahoo/ESPN.com fantasy leagues might be the all-time fantasy glitch to end all fantasy glitches. It's like being able to use Travis Hafner at catcher. This has been the biggest story of the 2006 season that nobody covered -- they should have been leading "SportsCenter" with it.)
:lmao:
 
(Which got me thinking: Imagine if we were playing fantasy back in the mid-'80s? Would the Chicago D have been a first-round pick? With all the crazy Web sites we have now, why couldn't someone start one where it's a fake "fantasy preview" of an upcoming season where the top 10 players/defenses are ranked at each position, using only the information from the previous few years and "projecting" how they might do. Come on, like you wouldn't click on a 1985 fake preview to see who made up the top 10? I refuse to believe it. You're lying.)
I would love to see this. Particularly from the late 1980s. Roger Craig would have been a monster. All those catches would have made him incredibly valuable.
 
3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
 
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5. Four white receivers (Mike Furrey, Drew Bennett, Wes Welker and Matt Jones) have more fantasy points than Randy Moss. Actually, Furrey has nearly three times as many points as Moss: 34 to 13. That's why he has replaced Kurt Warner as the pride of the Arena Football League.

(Motivational note: One of the Raiders coaches needs to show Moss tape of some Furrey catches, then tell him, "I waived you in my fantasy league this week and picked this little white dude up." If that doesn't wake Moss up, I give up.) :lmao:
That's almost as amazing as a black QB leading the league in points scored. :mellow:
 
That's almost as amazing as a black QB leading the league in points scored.
What?!
I believe the " :mellow: " face was meant to indicate sarcasm/disappointment that Simmons stooped to using melanin content as a predictor of WR performance. Redman probably used the McNabb example to demonstrate that an equivalent comment regarding the melanin content of a QB would produce a different reaction.Having said all that, I still thought the Moss-Furrey comment was funny.
 
Well there's been black QB's in the top 5 in fantasy pretty much every year for the last 5+ years...so that's not new. But I would like for you to name me the last white WR that finished top 5.

 
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Well there's been black QB's in the top 5 in fantasy pretty much every year for the last 5+ years...so that's not new. But I would like for you to name me the last white WR that finished top 5.
Drew Bennett, 2004. :banned:
championship :banned: The funniest part of the article for me is that he thinks it's a crapshoot.

 
I laughed at this.

Redskins (+4.5) GIANTSThe past few years, no athlete has vacillated from "completely horrendous and inept" to "totally rejuvenated" more times than Mark Brunell. Do you think the rest of his life is like this? Like, he's a fantastic husband one week, then the next week, he's peeing on toilet seats and refusing to take out the trash, then he's right back to being a great husband again? What would it be like to gamble with him? Does he have sudden mood swings like Ed Norton in "Primal Fear?"
And this:
Question: Do you think Nick Saban lies awake at 3:30 in the morning talking himself into the Joey Harrington Era and telling his wife, "You know, he was saddled with the worst receivers in the league in Detroit … and the crowd never gave him a chance … and he had three coaches in four years … and if his name was 'Joe' instead of 'Joey,' he'd sound much more competent … " as his wife keeps mumbling, "Go back to sleep, honey, go back to sleep."?
 
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Well there's been black QB's in the top 5 in fantasy pretty much every year for the last 5+ years...so that's not new. But I would like for you to name me the last white WR that finished top 5.
Drew Bennett, 2004. :banned:
Yep, there's exactly 1. Care to name more? Shall we look at QB's?2003 - Culpepper, McNair (Brooks 6th)2004 - McNabb (Brooks 7th)2005 - (Vick 6th)2006 - McNabb, Vick
 
5. Four white receivers (Mike Furrey, Drew Bennett, Wes Welker and Matt Jones) have more fantasy points than Randy Moss. Actually, Furrey has nearly three times as many points as Moss: 34 to 13. That's why he has replaced Kurt Warner as the pride of the Arena Football League.

(Motivational note: One of the Raiders coaches needs to show Moss tape of some Furrey catches, then tell him, "I waived you in my fantasy league this week and picked this little white dude up." If that doesn't wake Moss up, I give up.)
GB how everyone has a stroke about racist jokes or even "profiling" a race in any way...unless it's taking a shot at whitey or otherwise makes minorities look good.

GB double standards and hooray for hypocrisy :thumbup:

 
Why does everyone feel free to air their deeply-held feelings about race in every damn football thread that mentions skin color.

This is a football forum.

 
3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
Yea he couldn't be any more wrong with that paragraph. Suprising too, because he's a big time fantasy sports player. 17 of the top 20 scorers in my league are QB's, so everyone's QB is doing roughly the same, after McNabb. So what this obviously tells everyone is wait until the 10th round to take your starting QB.
 
That's almost as amazing as a black QB leading the league in points scored.
What?!
I believe the " :mellow: " face was meant to indicate sarcasm/disappointment that Simmons stooped to using melanin content as a predictor of WR performance. Redman probably used the McNabb example to demonstrate that an equivalent comment regarding the melanin content of a QB would produce a different reaction.
:yes: I assure you I'm no bigot. Some of my best friends are black QB's. ;)
 
3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
Yea he couldn't be any more wrong with that paragraph. Suprising too, because he's a big time fantasy sports player. 17 of the top 20 scorers in my league are QB's, so everyone's QB is doing roughly the same, after McNabb. So what this obviously tells everyone is wait until the 10th round to take your starting QB.
One of my leaguemates, who drafted Reggie Bush way too early and is now a cancer on his squad, forwarded along the quote about it and said we can all commence busting his balls. So I sent around the above quote about "If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now." My QB situation has been the running joke of my league, I started with Brooks and Plummer, then dropped Brooks for Alex Smith... in Week 1 my QB netted me -7. Single digits in weeks 2 and 3. Smith got me -2 in week 4. I'm averaging about 2 points a week from the QB slot. My team is the only undefeated team in the league. Just had to rub it in by sending along Simmons' assessment.
 
3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
I think his point is well taken this year - here's the top-12 per game under FBGuy.com scoring:
1 QB McNabb,Donovan PHI 4 143 85 1248 9 1 16 86 2 1 118.0 29.50

2 QB Batch,Charlie PIT 1 25 15 209 3 0 7 17 0 1 24.2 24.20

3 QB Manning,Eli NYG 3 113 75 893 8 5 1 0 0 1 71.8 23.93

4 QB Manning,Peyton IND 4 140 86 1112 6 1 6 3 2 0 91.0 22.75

5 QB Grossman,Rex CHI 4 125 78 1061 8 3 6 1 0 0 81.8 20.45

6 QB Frye,Charlie CLE 4 125 79 866 5 7 17 58 3 2 80.1 20.02

7 QB Carr,David HOU 4 111 81 865 7 2 14 30 1 3 78.3 19.57

8 QB Pennington,Chad NYJ 4 122 82 1015 6 2 8 22 0 2 75.8 18.95

9 QB Leftwich,Byron JAX 4 136 86 893 5 5 21 39 2 0 75.7 18.92

10 QB Vick,Michael ATL 4 90 45 522 3 2 38 333 1 0 75.5 18.88

11 QB Kitna,Jon DET 4 150 98 1081 4 3 7 19 1 2 75.0 18.75

12 QB Bulger,Marc STL 4 141 84 1039 5 0 8 -6 0 2 71.5 17.88
29.50 for #1 down to 17.88 for #12 and down to 20.02 for #6.There are some VERY big differences - and point differential drops - fantasy game changing differences. In contrast, let's look at the drop-offs for RBs and WRs:

1 RB Westbrook,Brian PHI 3 44 256 3 15 164 2 1 72.0 24.00

2 RB Portis,Clinton WAS 3 53 237 4 6 117 0 0 59.4 19.80

3 RB Johnson,Larry KC 3 74 295 2 14 162 0 1 57.7 19.23

4 RB Tomlinson,Ladainian SD 3 77 300 3 11 76 0 0 55.6 18.53

5 RB Gore,Frank SF 4 75 331 3 16 129 0 4 64.0 16.00

6 RB Johnson,Rudi CIN 4 87 353 4 8 46 0 0 63.9 15.98

7 RB Jones,Julius DAL 3 60 288 2 1 39 0 1 44.7 14.90

8 RB Jackson,Steven STL 4 90 367 1 15 164 0 0 59.1 14.78

9 RB Jones,Kevin DET 4 62 253 3 21 131 0 3 56.4 14.10

10 RB Parker,Willie PIT 3 71 268 2 7 32 0 0 42.0 14.00

11 RB Green,Ahman GB 3 58 215 0 17 138 1 2 41.3 13.77

12 RB Maroney,Laurence NE 4 60 294 3 6 76 0 0 55.0 13.75
There's a top-4, and the everyone else with a shallow drop. And only one player averaging more than 20 per game.
1 WR Houshmandzadeh,T.J. CIN 2 0 0 0 13 189 2 0 30.9 15.45

2 WR Glenn,Terry DAL 3 1 22 0 15 229 3 0 43.1 14.37

3 WR Moss,Santana WAS 4 5 49 0 17 326 3 0 55.5 13.88

4 WR Johnson,Andre HOU 4 0 0 0 30 410 2 0 53.0 13.25

5 WR Walker,Javon DEN 3 2 21 0 11 250 2 0 39.1 13.03

6 WR Smith,Steve CAR 2 0 0 0 17 199 1 0 25.9 12.95

7 WR Colston,Marques NO 4 0 0 0 20 336 3 0 51.6 12.90

8 WR Toomer,Amani NYG 3 0 0 0 20 207 3 0 38.7 12.90

9 WR Holt,Torry STL 4 0 0 0 26 332 3 0 51.2 12.80

10 WR Berrian,Bernard CHI 4 1 5 0 15 316 3 1 50.1 12.52

11 WR Stallworth,Donte' PHI 3 0 0 0 12 248 2 0 36.8 12.27

12 WR Jackson,Darrell SEA 4 0 0 0 22 293 3 0 47.3 11.82
WR is even more unusual - it REALLY doesn't matter what you have at WR according to the PPG numbers. WR was overrated this year - not QB.
 
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3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
Five QBs are so far averaging 20-plus points this season, ZERO did last season.
 
beto said:
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JBTV said:
Well there's been black QB's in the top 5 in fantasy pretty much every year for the last 5+ years...so that's not new. But I would like for you to name me the last white WR that finished top 5.
Drew Bennett, 2004. :banned:
championship :banned: The funniest part of the article for me is that he thinks it's a crapshoot.
it is
 
4x champ said:
3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
Yea he couldn't be any more wrong with that paragraph. Suprising too, because he's a big time fantasy sports player. 17 of the top 20 scorers in my league are QB's, so everyone's QB is doing roughly the same, after McNabb. So what this obviously tells everyone is wait until the 10th round to take your starting QB.
Then why do all the "experts" have Peyton as a first round pick? Why doesn't one "expert" or draft magazine simply say "pick up a player like Carr or Fry off FA pile and save your picks for another position"????
 
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3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
Yea he couldn't be any more wrong with that paragraph. Suprising too, because he's a big time fantasy sports player. 17 of the top 20 scorers in my league are QB's, so everyone's QB is doing roughly the same, after McNabb. So what this obviously tells everyone is wait until the 10th round to take your starting QB.
Then why do all the "experts" have Peyton as a first round pick? Why doesn't one "expert" or draft magazine simply say "pick up a player like Carr or Fry off FA pile and save your picks for another position"????
Because it's hard to tell each year which 'value pick' is going to be worth anything. Grossman, Pennington, Carr and Frye weren't exactly highly touted guys even as value picks. Look how a number of guys everyone said were going to do very well this year while being 'value' or 'why even bother going after anyone before round 8' have done.

Kurt Warner - After one big game, he's managed to fumble the next 3 and out of his job.

Trent Green - Got hurt. Happens.

Aaron Brooks - Stunk up the joint. A terrible O-line, awful play calling and unmotivated offense didn't help. Then he got hurt to boot, some would think of this as a slight improvment though.

Jake Plummer - Has like one game's worth of FF points total thus far.

Chris Simms - Wasn't doing that well and when he looked like he got it togheter, no more spleen.

So yeah, if you had a major inclination that two oft injured QB's without major receiving talent would come back incredibly strong and two wonderful garbage time QB's would scoremore than most normal QB's, then yeah, you could've waited till round 0 to pick them up.

 
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3. The QB position (always dismissed as overrated for fantasy purposes) is making a major comeback: Five QBs are averaging 20-plus points this season (McNabb, Frye, Grossman and the Mannings) and three others (Carr, Pennington and Leftwich) are damn close, and we haven't even mentioned the old standbys (Brady, Palmer, Delhomme and Bulger) yet. If you aren't getting big points from your QB spot, I guarantee you aren't doing well in your league right now. By the way, zero QBs averaged 20 points a game last season.
i don't get this. this is exactly why quaterbacks are considered overrated. it is not hard to find a top producing quaterback. so what they are scoring 20 plus points..... what is the drop off? not much.
Yea he couldn't be any more wrong with that paragraph. Suprising too, because he's a big time fantasy sports player. 17 of the top 20 scorers in my league are QB's, so everyone's QB is doing roughly the same, after McNabb. So what this obviously tells everyone is wait until the 10th round to take your starting QB.
Then why do all the "experts" have Peyton as a first round pick? Why doesn't one "expert" or draft magazine simply say "pick up a player like Carr or Fry off FA pile and save your picks for another position"????
Because it's hard to tell each year which 'value pick' is going to be worth anything. Grossman, Pennington, Carr and Frye weren't exactly highly touted guys even as value picks. Look how a number of guys everyone said were going to do very well this year while being 'value' or 'why even bother going after anyone before round 8' have done.

Kurt Warner - After one big game, he's managed to fumble the next 3 and out of his job.

Trent Green - Got hurt. Happens.

Aaron Brooks - Stunk up the joint. A terrible O-line, awful play calling and unmotivated offense didn't help. Then he got hurt to boot, some would think of this as a slight improvment though.

Jake Plummer - Has like one game's worth of FF points total thus far.

Chris Simms - Wasn't doing that well and when he looked like he got it togheter, no more spleen.

So yeah, if you had a major inclination that two oft injured QB's without major receiving talent would come back incredibly strong and two wonderful garbage time QB's would scoremore than most normal QB's, then yeah, you could've waited till round 0 to pick them up.
Skip value pick, if you are an "expert" then you should know more than the average person, right? So, if that's the case then you should know that you can pick up a QB off the FA pile, skipping any highly touted QB. If it's "hard to tell" then you aren't an expert (IMO, FF is a total crapshoot so noboy is really an "expert")I liked Penny and the only questionmark on him was health. Never understood why the "experts" basically wrote him off when a year or two ago, he was one of the goldenboys. Same with Vick.

The point that the SG made is valid, unlike last year, so far you have 5 QBs who are averaging over 20pts

The other point he made was that there's NO REALITY to FANTASY Football. I've always agreed and glad someone was willing to write about it.

 
Then why do all the "experts" have Peyton as a first round pick? Why doesn't one "expert" or draft magazine simply say "pick up a player like Carr or Fry off FA pile and save your picks for another position"????
because he was projected to be the cream of the crop at his position. i'm a firm believer in using tiers and taking the best available on the board regardless of position. there are always exceptions and you have to adjust to how the draft is going sometimes, but for the most part, draft best available regardless of position.with that being said, most of the time there is not a quaterback standing alone on my cheat sheet screaming draft me in the early rounds. they simply do not sepparate themselves as greatly as other positions such as runningbacks. this year will be no different and the numbers will balance out by seasons end.great read and thread by the way rk. leaves alot of room for intelligent fantasy football discussion.
 
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Then why do all the "experts" have Peyton as a first round pick? Why doesn't one "expert" or draft magazine simply say "pick up a player like Carr or Fry off FA pile and save your picks for another position"????
We did - we advised saving your picks for a different spot than QB. Even as to Manning, folks beat us up for our rankings that placed Peyton below the #15/#16 overall pick.But, to address this head-on, Peyton is/was worth a 1st round pick b/c he is/was BY FAR the best shot to finish top-5 at his position. A better shot than LJ, SA or LT, and a better shot than Hotlt, CJ or SS. Our #2 guy - Mcnabb - was generally ranked about four rounds below Peyton.We advised waiting until round 6 or later before taking a QB, and to look at mid-range values like Hass, Bulger, etc. We also advised waiting till late rounds for guys like Green, Plummer, and Warner - we'd come off Brooks (though I didn't :bag: ) during the preseason.
 
Funny article but the fantasy football season is early we are only 4 weeks into the season. Those who are at the top in points now may or may not be at the top at the end of the season. This is the best thing about FF most of us try to be the best at projections but year end and year out a group of players comes out of nowhere or projected safe bets become busts. If these "suprises" did not happen then we would be playing a simulation game and there is no fun to that.

 

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