Think Pujols used roids or HGH? (1 Viewer)

[Patrick Bateman]

Before and after pics of famous players:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/324516-...ver-seen#page/1

To me it's obvious that he was juicing.

 

[Chaka]

Yes

I am surprised anyone would think otherwise.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think they all have in every sport.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

YesI am surprised anyone would think otherwise.

I actually got into a heated debate on Facebook regarding this topic. It was quite funny when a fraternity brother from back in the day told me that Pujols' Christianity was proof that he would never do steroids or HGH. I spit coffee on my monitor.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I actually got into a heated debate on Facebook regarding this topic.

 

[Softballguy]

Kapler didn't look like that in Milwaukee two years ago.

 

[Wrigley]

Always have

 

[Statorama]

I've seen him get fooled and hit a couple of one handed home runs...people have a right to be suspicious.

 

[SacramentoBob]

The one of Sammy Sosa in the sleeveless shirt is pretty damning.

 

[shadyridr]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

 

[Wrigley]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

proof

 

[shadyridr]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

proof

Thats what McGwire said

 

[Johnny Rock]

Hilarious and sad what our major sports have become. That new HGH test is going to fuel a couple big fights for the NFL and MLB unions. No wonder there are so many ACL's and concussions with these hulking freaks hitting each other.

 

[pantagrapher]

Yes.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Probably although the Pujols pictures in that slide show aren't really all that damning.

 

[shadyridr]

The first Nomar pic almost looks photoshopped. Was he really that skinny or did he have AIDS or something?

 

[dparker713]

Why exactly do people bother with the speculation on this stuff in baseball, but not football? I care as much about this as I do about whether LaDanian Tomlinson, Tom Brady or Julius Peppers use steroids. Which is to say not at all

 

[igbomb]

I tend to give Pujols the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it's just the fan boy in me, but I like to think he was clean.

And also, the 'he got bigger, he must be juicing' just doesn't hold for me. Sure, if a guy blows up in his mid-30s there may be room for suspicion. Even then, perhaps he just finally found the weight room. But someone who is much bigger at 23 than 18? That's evidence of juicing? If you saw me at 18 and then five years later, you might not even recognize me. I put on 40 pounds in that time, none of it fat (now all of it fat).

 

[igbomb]

Why exactly do people bother with the speculation on this stuff in baseball, but not football? I care as much about this as I do about whether LaDanian Tomlinson, Tom Brady or Julius Peppers use steroids. Which is to say not at all

Because baseball is better than football. HTH.

 

[cobalt_27]

Yes, I think it is more than likely Pujols is not a "natural" talent. I could be convinced otherwise, I suppose. But, it would take a phenomenal argument to convince me otherwise.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

 

[TLEF316]

people complain about PED use in baseball more than football because baseball is so numbers oriented. Almost everybody knows that Roger Maris had 61 in 61 and that Hank Aaron hit 755 HR's.

Nobody knows exactly how many rushing yards Jim Brown had or how many tackles **** Butkus made. And the truth is that we dont care. Football is so much more about team accomplishment, which is why nobody really cares if individuals are pumping HGH into their veins

 

[Doctor Detroit]

people complain about PED use in baseball more than football because baseball is so numbers oriented. Almost everybody knows that Roger Maris had 61 in 61 and that Hank Aaron hit 755 HR's. Nobody knows exactly how many rushing yards Jim Brown had or how many tackles **** Butkus made. And the truth is that we dont care. Football is so much more about team accomplishment, which is why nobody really cares if individuals are pumping HGH into their veins

That's IMO. Relief pitchers were using this crap to for holds and everyone feels the effects of performance enhancers on the game. You are trying to isolate a handful of players like McGuire and Bonds when in fact, hundreds of guys used it to alter the game. Same goes with football, hoops, or any other sport.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

trying to isolate a handful of players like McGuire and Bonds when in fact, hundreds of guys used it to alter the game. Same goes with football, hoops, or any other sport.

It's something like when the NBA tries to convince us that there was "one bad ref" and the rest have super-clean whistles. Right.

 

[Polecat]

I shook young Albert's hand in Vero Beach at a Dodgers/Cards game in spring training of 2002, when he was a rookie. I saw him again up close taking BP last year at Minute Maid.

I don't need any pictures to tell me that he's juiced. Sorry.

 

[pantagrapher]

Anyone watch MLB network? I find it amusing that they keep fawning over guys who lost 20 and 30 pounds in the off-season due to new "training regimens." Who do they think they're fooling?

 

[pantagrapher]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

 

[dparker713]

people complain about PED use in baseball more than football because baseball is so numbers oriented. Almost everybody knows that Roger Maris had 61 in 61 and that Hank Aaron hit 755 HR's. Nobody knows exactly how many rushing yards Jim Brown had or how many tackles **** Butkus made. And the truth is that we dont care. Football is so much more about team accomplishment, which is why nobody really cares if individuals are pumping HGH into their veins

The context of the numbers have always changed. Deadball, all-white, WWII, Higher mound, Latin integration, Steroids, Greenies, Asian players. The numbers are not ruined, they just need context. And Maris' 61 was more of an outlier than McGwire, Sosa or Bonds - maybe he was juicing (and he was almost certainly taking speed)

 

[shadyridr]

Why exactly do people bother with the speculation on this stuff in baseball, but not football? I care as much about this as I do about whether LaDanian Tomlinson, Tom Brady or Julius Peppers use steroids. Which is to say not at all

Because baseball is better than football. HTH.

 

[shadyridr]

people complain about PED use in baseball more than football because baseball is so numbers oriented. Almost everybody knows that Roger Maris had 61 in 61 and that Hank Aaron hit 755 HR's.

Nobody knows exactly how many rushing yards Jim Brown had or how many tackles **** Butkus made. And the truth is that we dont care. Football is so much more about team accomplishment, which is why nobody really cares if individuals are pumping HGH into their veins

That's IMO. Relief pitchers were using this crap to for holds and everyone feels the effects of performance enhancers on the game. You are trying to isolate a handful of players like McGuire and Bonds when in fact, hundreds of guys used it to alter the game. Same goes with football, hoops, or any other sport.

Ben Wallace :cough:

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

people complain about PED use in baseball more than football because baseball is so numbers oriented. Almost everybody knows that Roger Maris had 61 in 61 and that Hank Aaron hit 755 HR's. Nobody knows exactly how many rushing yards Jim Brown had or how many tackles **** Butkus made. And the truth is that we dont care. Football is so much more about team accomplishment, which is why nobody really cares if individuals are pumping HGH into their veins

That's IMO. Relief pitchers were using this crap to for holds and everyone feels the effects of performance enhancers on the game. You are trying to isolate a handful of players like McGuire and Bonds when in fact, hundreds of guys used it to alter the game. Same goes with football, hoops, or any other sport.

If by hundreds, you mean all of them I am with you.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I would hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

One notable thing, though, is that Pujols' numbers are pretty consistent throughout his career. In other words, even if he did take them, he did haven't some major spike in his numbers, like guys like McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc. did.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

 

[Wrigley]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

Are saying Maddux did or didn't use?

 

[pantagrapher]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

User or no, I don't care. I'm a fan of his work.

 

[Statorama]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I think it's a lot of people that got burned drafting Brady Anderson after his monster season.

 

[Polecat]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

Steroids can't paint the corner, sorry.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

Steroids can't paint the corner, sorry.

No but they can add a few MPH to the pitch. Maddux wasn't throwing world class heat, but a few mph is the difference between Maddux at 30 and Maddux at 40. I would be shocked if he didn't take steroids.

 

[cobalt_27]

No but they can add a few MPH to the pitch. Maddux wasn't throwing world class heat, but a few mph is the difference between Maddux at 30 and Maddux at 40. I would be shocked if he didn't take steroids.

Unlike reasonable baseball fans who definitely would be shocked to find out Maddux was a juicer. Seriously, when did everyone lose their fruit loops with all of this? I suspect there is a significant handful of surprise users or past users still out there, but the vast majority of players were nowhere near the needle or HGH.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

Are saying Maddux did or didn't use?

Just testing if it would sully his feelings. He's the only guy in baseball that would leave me

 

[Jeremy]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

Steroids can't paint the corner, sorry.

No but they can add a few MPH to the pitch. Maddux wasn't throwing world class heat, but a few mph is the difference between Maddux at 30 and Maddux at 40. I would be shocked if he didn't take steroids.

I think the difference has more to do with the umpires no longer giving him 6" off either side of the plate as he got older. As for Pujols, off course he's on something. All the superstar sluggers have been pretty much busted for it at this point, so it's awfully difficult to believe Pujols is that much better than everyone that he can outperform them even at a severe disadvantage.

 

[Jeremy]

I would hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me. One notable thing, though, is that Pujols' numbers are pretty consistent throughout his career. In other words, even if he did take them, he did haven't some major spike in his numbers, like guys like McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc. did.

He's a lot younger than all of those guys. Steriods and PEDs were becoming common before Pujols even got started. While these guys started juicing in their 20s and 30s, guys from Pujols generation probably got the ball rolling in high school.

 

[Jeremy]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

And that's fine. The only consequence of this (other than what we're teaching our children) is that baseball is now like football in that the numbers don't mean much outside of what they do for our fantasy teams.

 

[shadyridr]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

Greg Maddux

Are saying Maddux did or didn't use?

Just testing if it would sully his feelings. He's the only guy in baseball that would leave me

Jeter and Mariano would make me

 

[dparker713]

I think the difference has more to do with the umpires no longer giving him 6" off either side of the plate as he got older.

As for Pujols, off course he's on something. All the superstar sluggers have been pretty much busted for it at this point, so it's awfully difficult to believe Pujols is that much better than everyone that he can outperform them even at a severe disadvantage.

Frank Thomas put up slightly better numbers to begin his career. Ted Williams. Babe Ruth. Rogers Hornsby. Stan Musial. Some players just have superior batting eyes and that is the most important thing in regards to outperforming the league. And you act like this only helped sluggers. Jason Grimsley, not exactly a slugger. Nor is Guillermo Mota or Andy Petite.

 

[dparker713]

Not trying to promote steroids or say it is right, but baseball haters have come to the conclusion the sport sucks because of steroids. Well, what would football be like without performance enhancing drugs? What percentage of football players over the past 20 years have juiced? When they finally reveal the truth what will the baseball bashers who love football say? I'm guessing we won't hear a peep, which I am already laughing about.

I accept that PEDs are a part of modern sports. There isn't a single steroid revelation that could sully my feelings for any sport.

And that's fine. The only consequence of this (other than what we're teaching our children) is that baseball is now like football in that the numbers don't mean much outside of what they do for our fantasy teams.

Did Babe Ruth's numbers mean anything despite the fact he played in an all white league with little scouting or player development? The numbers all have context, and we can adjust the numbers for their context to compare players from year to year. Is 73 as revered as 61, not now - but then again 61 was thought a tad tarnished since it came in an extended season and done by a man of little historical note.

 

[Da Guru]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

Warning track fly ball end up in the seats with a little more power behind them.What most people fail to realize about steroids and baseball in that the MLB season is a tough grind. 162 games, 6-7 days a week, traveling all over the country. Steroid users will recover much faster and stay much stronger throughout the season than the non-steroid used.Will steriods help you hit a baseball..no. Will they help you get stronger as the season goes on as other players are tired..yes.

 

[shadyridr]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

Warning track fly ball end up in the seats with a little more power behind them.What most people fail to realize about steroids and baseball in that the MLB season is a tough grind. 162 games, 6-7 days a week, traveling all over the country. Steroid users will recover much faster and stay much stronger throughout the season than the non-steroid used.Will steriods help you hit a baseball..no. Will they help you get stronger as the season goes on as other players are tired..yes.

thats not what mark mcgwire says

 

[dparker713]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

Warning track fly ball end up in the seats with a little more power behind them.What most people fail to realize about steroids and baseball in that the MLB season is a tough grind. 162 games, 6-7 days a week, traveling all over the country. Steroid users will recover much faster and stay much stronger throughout the season than the non-steroid used.Will steriods help you hit a baseball..no. Will they help you get stronger as the season goes on as other players are tired..yes.

Thats all at best conjecture, and at worst wild speculation.

 

[Da Guru]

Steroids doesnt do anything to help performance

Warning track fly ball end up in the seats with a little more power behind them.What most people fail to realize about steroids and baseball in that the MLB season is a tough grind. 162 games, 6-7 days a week, traveling all over the country. Steroid users will recover much faster and stay much stronger throughout the season than the non-steroid used.

Will steriods help you hit a baseball..no. Will they help you get stronger as the season goes on as other players are tired..yes.

Thats all at best conjecture, and at worst wild speculation.

RecoveryOne of the first positive effects of steroids is faster recovery time. Cortisol is produced to help your body handle stress. It also damages muscle tissue and slows down the time it takes for your body to recuperate. Steroids help to reduce the production of cortisol when your body is stressed. They can be used to help you recover from injuries or just to allow you to exercise more.

Muscle Size

Another one of the positive effects of steroids is increased muscle size. Steroids increase the amount of nitrogen in the body. This allows for the production of more protein in the body, which fuels the production of more muscle. Your muscles will start to grow even if you don't exercise them. They will grow even bigger if you train regularly.