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moleculo

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Chargers dominated by Broncos, try to murder Jahleel Addae anyway

I'm pissed. I'm not pissed because the San Diego Chargers were completely dominated by the best team in the league. I expected that. I'm pissed becauseJahleel Addae's life was put at risk in this game by the Chargers trainers and coaching staff.

Addae makes the hit and immediately collapses like he's been hit by a MAC truck. Yet, he stayed in the game.
Not long after, this happened....

I'm not doctor, but that certainly looks like a seizure. At the very least, it looks like someone who is having some brain issues. It looks like someone who took a big hit in the head while playing with a concussion. Again, Addae stayed in the game.

I was not at the game tonight. I have no idea if he took a concussion test, but I know that Addae wasn't right. Still, until the final minutes of the 4th quarter, with the Chargers having no hope to come back and compete, Jahleel Addae was in there launching himself towards offensive players head-first.

Many Chargers beat writers took to Twitter and compared the situation to Kris Dielman, who was obviously concussed in a game against the Jets and stayed on the field for 10 more plays. Dielman had a seizure on the plane ride back from New York and retired shortly after. The team's training staff took a lot of criticism afterward, especially from the NFLPA.

The story of the game is not that the Chargers are the latest team to be left in Peyton Manning's wake. The story of the game is how the Chargers coaches, trainers, and other players, could allow such a dangerous situation to take place without intervening.

Do the Chargers even care about the health of their players? Would they have cared more about Addae's injuries if he were a starting player? How can a man collapse on the field and then have what appears to be a seizure on national television and not be noticed by anyone working for the team, when it was easily noticed by many fans and media members?

Someone needs to answer questions. This can't happen again. The lives of these players should be more important than trying to win football games.
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Charger folks - please don't take this as a salt-in-the-wound thing, that's not my intent here. Just posting this to spread the word - this is a pretty serious allegation made by the author, I'd hate to see this swept under the rug.

 
Perhaps those who aren't doctors should not diagnose conditions?

@ProFootballTalk: Jahleel Addae says he had a stringer, not a concussion http://wp.me/p14QSB-9BSC

ETA: I think ProFootballTalk meant "stinger".

 
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That's horrifying.

I just read the Kevin Kolb article a little while ago.

This kind of crap has to stop.

 
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.

He also didn't have a seizure. That's absurd.

 
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.

He also didn't have a seizure. That's absurd.
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Pretty sure you're guessing here. Wanna guess again?

 
BobbyLayne said:
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.

He also didn't have a seizure. That's absurd.
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Pretty sure you're guessing here. Wanna guess again?
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Can i guess? Independent neurotrauma consultant and licensed doctors?

The problem is knowing when to get the player checked.

 
A lot of guessing by the writer looking to start drama. He was not at the game nor a doctor but he thinks it was a seizure? This is a horrible article.

 
The clip only shows briefly after the play, but it looks like his left arm gives way and he falls flat to the turf. He's already trying to get up (immediately) as the camera follows the action.

I didn't see the game or additional coverage of Addae but I don't know how anyone can definitively say "head injury" based on that footage. Seizure seems like a ridiculous reach... unless there's other footage that the author is gauging his analysis on.

 
sho nuff said:
FUBAR said:
Jerry Curl said:
A lot of guessing by the writer looking to start drama. He was not at the game nor a doctor but he thinks it was a seizure? This is a horrible article.
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His intent was just to spread the word.
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The word that he overreacted to a clip and in no way could diagnose anything the way he did?
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His intent was to get clicks on the internet at he link by pointing outrage at the hot button topic. He wasn't at the game and not a doctor but he is diagnosing thing that happen on the field of play? I'll pass on his soap box.

 
Dizzy said:
The clip only shows briefly after the play, but it looks like his left arm gives way and he falls flat to the turf. He's already trying to get up (immediately) as the camera follows the action.

I didn't see the game or additional coverage of Addae but I don't know how anyone can definitively say "head injury" based on that footage. Seizure seems like a ridiculous reach... unless there's other footage that the author is gauging his analysis on.
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There's a second clip where he looks like he's slightly convulsing after a hit while he's standing up.
 
Always nice to see well informed educated responsible journalism. I wonder how he came to the conclusion that SD management met the standards for attempted murder?

Nice to see others here jumping right in with the author.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Always nice to see well informed educated responsible journalism. I wonder how he came to the conclusion that SD management met the standards for attempted murder?

Nice to see others here jumping right in with the author.
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It's sensationalism, meant to get web clicks, sure.

But if he had a stinger, he still should have come out. The same thing has ended careers, most recently with David Wilson this summer.

 
mr roboto said:
Dizzy said:
The clip only shows briefly after the play, but it looks like his left arm gives way and he falls flat to the turf. He's already trying to get up (immediately) as the camera follows the action.

I didn't see the game or additional coverage of Addae but I don't know how anyone can definitively say "head injury" based on that footage. Seizure seems like a ridiculous reach... unless there's other footage that the author is gauging his analysis on.
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There's a second clip where he looks like he's slightly convulsing after a hit while he's standing up.
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I am not a doctor and I was not at the game. I have had a pinch nerve before. Got it from playing high school baseball attempting to be a hero on a catch at first base. They suck and they make your body go numb and/or convulse, depending on the type of nerve that is pinched and the location of it. I still have occasional issues to this day, but knowing what I was told, and maybe what he will be told and what Manning and Palmer where told. "Nerves are hard to predict." He could have been evaluated for a concussion, cleared, took another hit and since the nerve was still pinched he convulsed again. He will get the care and therapy he needs and he will be able to play. He can take 1000 more hits there and may get nothing, but 1001 can make him do it again. That is my experience with a pinched nerve and I am not saying thats what he has since I am not a doctor but thats what my doctor told me.

 
He's stepping gingerly and looks a confused sort of unbalanced.

If he were to say "what just happened" I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

I watched it a few times, at first I didn't even see helmet to helmet contact but I do eventually. It's not the big crushing hit I expected when I saw the article.

Personally, I never got a concussion playing football yet did with a simple bump of my head on a counter. I was awww no way and the resulting vomiting and doctor visit confirmed. Because of my own personal experience, I've come to think if it hits "the right spot" bad things can happen.

I imagine he could be high, could be an idiot that takes five of those five hour energy drinks..idk but those people sure act crazy hyper and I unfortunately envision something like this...rant rant, the possibilities are endless of what it could be. The publicity of concussions and whatever holiday inn home doctor in me, did have me guessing concussion too.

We guess injuries all the time here. I don't understand why every now and then people here act all offended like oh yeah you're a doctor. Cmon, ever seen a game thread?

This wasn't the final drive of a Super Bowl (even then...) so I can't really see any crazy adult sports logic to keep him playing and not at the least sit him for a few plays. This isn't Lott's finger scenario. Regardless of what it was, I can't think of a scenario where a coach says "oh that's all it was? ok go back in there."

The NFLPA has had some tough linemen as leaders that have played for a long time and withstood a whole lot. I'd have no problem if there was a bat phone and some NFLPA guy could say "he sits!" This would so rarely ever happen it might be what the players need.

 
Yeah, I'm not one to diagnose a siezure, but he clearly isn't right. He had his bell rung for sure. We know now that "bell rung" probably means concussion. If it menas pinched nerve, then man, it's pinched bad because I've never seen someone stagger from a pinched nerve like that - it's almost like his CNS is giving up a little bit.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes from this - does Addae play next week, and if so, how does he look? If he were to play next week and get a bona fide, diagnosed concussion, you've got to think it stemmed from last night's game.

 
jonessed said:
Mister Martie said:
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.
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:fishing: No one is this naive.
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:shrug: There is a neuro-trauma expert on the sideline of every NFL game who is not affiliated with any team.

The policy started last year.
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That's trumped by Sharks who stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. Much greater knowledge base - enough to make a much more accurate diagnosis just by watching it on TV.Oops. Forgot to add that just by watching a sportwriter can also determine that the SD staff intended to kill the player intentionally. Easy to show that the actions meet the elements of motive, opportunity, and intent.

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@UTKevinAcee

Jahleel Addae was examined further on Friday afternoon & team official just confirmed Addae suffered concussion Thursday nite
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ETA follow-up tweet:

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@UTKevinAceeImportant to note Addae also suffered stinger, which was initial diagnosis. Stinger probably first quarter hit, concussion final play of 3rd.
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moleculo said:
Chargers dominated by Broncos, try to murder Jahleel Addae anyway

I'm pissed. I'm not pissed because the San Diego Chargers were completely dominated by the best team in the league. I expected that. I'm pissed becauseJahleel Addae's life was put at risk in this game by the Chargers trainers and coaching staff.

Addae makes the hit and immediately collapses like he's been hit by a MAC truck. Yet, he stayed in the game.

Not long after, this happened....

I'm not doctor, but that certainly looks like a seizure. At the very least, it looks like someone who is having some brain issues. It looks like someone who took a big hit in the head while playing with a concussion. Again, Addae stayed in the game.

I was not at the game tonight. I have no idea if he took a concussion test, but I know that Addae wasn't right. Still, until the final minutes of the 4th quarter, with the Chargers having no hope to come back and compete, Jahleel Addae was in there launching himself towards offensive players head-first.

Many Chargers beat writers took to Twitter and compared the situation to Kris Dielman, who was obviously concussed in a game against the Jets and stayed on the field for 10 more plays. Dielman had a seizure on the plane ride back from New York and retired shortly after. The team's training staff took a lot of criticism afterward, especially from the NFLPA.

The story of the game is not that the Chargers are the latest team to be left in Peyton Manning's wake. The story of the game is how the Chargers coaches, trainers, and other players, could allow such a dangerous situation to take place without intervening.

Do the Chargers even care about the health of their players? Would they have cared more about Addae's injuries if he were a starting player? How can a man collapse on the field and then have what appears to be a seizure on national television and not be noticed by anyone working for the team, when it was easily noticed by many fans and media members?

Someone needs to answer questions. This can't happen again. The lives of these players should be more important than trying to win football games.
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Charger folks - please don't take this as a salt-in-the-wound thing, that's not my intent here. Just posting this to spread the word - this is a pretty serious allegation made by the author, I'd hate to see this swept under the rug.
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Yea didn't look right or good at all.. He fell to the ground like a sack of potatoes LIFELESS. Then on the play just after it was staggering and having tremors or some form of seizure. Complete Fail by Chargers staff. I didn't even notice this watching the game but wow Thanks for pointing out, guy ended up having Concussion, should have been taken out after first play.

 
BobbyLayne said:
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.

He also didn't have a seizure. That's absurd.
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Pretty sure you're guessing here. Wanna guess again?
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GOOD Call Jonessed is clearly clueless on this matter. Watch the video pal, Im sure they knew the guy was not right.

 
T with T said:
BobbyLayne said:
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.

He also didn't have a seizure. That's absurd.
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Pretty sure you're guessing here. Wanna guess again?
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GOOD Call Jonessed is clearly clueless on this matter. Watch the video pal, Im sure they knew the guy was not right.
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:lol:

Do you people not read?

 
The second hit looks very routine, not like anything that would cause the effects seen.

Which makes you wonder why a routine hit had that effect.

 
I'm not a doctor, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night--but I found what I saw to be very disturbing. I certainly hope and pray that he doesn't suffer any long term health issues because of this.

 
jonessed said:
Mister Martie said:
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.
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:fishing: No one is this naive.
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:shrug: There is a neuro-trauma expert on the sideline of every NFL game who is not affiliated with any team.

The policy started last year.
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The resident FBG pediatrician (Dr. Jene Bremel) wrote a series of articles about the concussion sideline assessment in game and the concussion protocol.On game day there are three medical professionals involved with concussion assessment. The eye in the sky is usually a team trainer watching from the press box level and equipped with an HD monitor. If he sees a possible concussed player, he contacts the team physician. The team physician uses a sideline concussion assessment tool (iPad app) to do the baseline evaluation.

The Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant (UNTC) stands at 25 yard line, outside the players/coaches box. The UNTC cannot enter the team box unless he is called by the team physician.

LaAdrian Waddle was concussed last week and went back in the game. Joique Bell was concussed several weeks and played on the last couple drives. Week 7 saw a violent head to head collision in the end zone between Brandon Flowers and Jamal Charles. The Chargers DB was concussed and left the game; the Chiefs RB was seeing stars and stayed in. He entered & exited the concussion protocol during the week.

Every week we see inconsistency from team doctors during the baseline testing. IMO the UNTC should be conducting the initial exam.

 
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BobbyLayne said:
jonessed said:
Mister Martie said:
jonessed said:
I'm guessing they missed it or he wasn't concussed. The NFL is pretty strict with regard to testing for that. It's done outside of the team staff I believe.
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:fishing: No one is this naive.
Click to expand...
:shrug: There is a neuro-trauma expert on the sideline of every NFL game who is not affiliated with any team.

The policy started last year.
Click to expand...
The resident FBG pediatrician (Dr. Jene Bremel) wrote a series of articles about the concussion sideline assessment in game and the concussion protocol.On game day there are three medical professionals involved with concussion assessment. The eye in the sky is usually a team trainer watching from the press box level and equipped with an HD monitor. If he sees a possible concussed player, he contacts the team physician. The team physician uses a sideline concussion assessment tool (iPad app) to do the baseline evaluation.

The Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant (UNTC) stands at 25 yard line, outside the players/coaches box. The UNTC cannot enter the team box unless he is called by the team physician.

LaAdrian Waddle was concussed last week and went back in the game. Joique Bell was concussed several weeks and played on the last couple drives. Week 7 saw a violent head to head collision in the end zone between Brandon Flowers and Jamal Charles. The Chargers DB was concussed and left the game; the Chiefs RB was seeing stars and stayed in. He entered & exited the concussion protocol during the week.

Every week we see inconsistency from team doctors during the baseline testing. IMO the UNTC should be conducting the initial exam.
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Agree. What the hell is the value of the UNTC if he's only there on a referral basis? It has the appearance of a bogus policy instituted by the NFL just to quell the noise.It's amazing how lucky the NFL has been not to have an active player die from a head injury. It happens with alarming frequency at the high school level. There were three deaths in a one week period this month.

 
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Bri said:
He's stepping gingerly and looks a confused sort of unbalanced.
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Couldn't say exactly who did or didn't see this from the sidelines but at a minimum, players/teammates saw it. At what point do you ask the guy if he's okay and wave the trainer/doctor over?

 
From Rotoworld:

Chargers FS Jahleel Addae has been diagnosed with a concussion.

Addae looked disoriented and appeared to go into convulsions after a big hit against the Broncos on Thursday night. It appeared evident Addae had suffered a concussion on the play, but he was cleared on the sidelines and allowed to stay in the game. Addae was not diagnosed with a concussion until additional tests were run on Friday. Addae's status will be updated next week. Oct 25 - 9:48 AM
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8738/jahleel-addae

 
Pathetic. If a player ever goes out from his own power he should be out of the game. Period. This is the simple mindset the NFL should instill and another reason Goodell is a buffoon.

 
Genetally, people don't have seizures while they're standing up or even sitting up. Generally during a seizure people become clonic and lose consciousness or awareness. Immedustrly after the seizyre, they then have a post ictal phase where they're almost in a twilight state with foggy mentation. Did that happen with this guy?

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Generally, people don't have seizures while they're standing up or even sitting up. Generally during a seizure people become clonic and lose consciousness or awareness. Immediately after the seizrue, they then have a post ictal phase where they're almost in a twilight state with foggy mentation. Did that happen with this guy?

 
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whoa, just watched those clips. you don't have to be a doctor to know something was seriously wrong after watching the 2nd clip where he's staggering around like he's had 30 drinks.

Hard to believe no one noticed him doing the zombie dance.

 
I honestly think that these concussions and brain injuries are going to be a serious problem for the NFL moving forward. I believe these guys should be treated fairly and treated for concussions and taken out of the games, but we are going to see a serious lack of talent playing in the NFL. If this continues, you will have second and third string players playing more often and superstars getting pulled from games more frequently. You will also see superstars retiring earlier than they would have due to their knowledge about long-term implications of head injuries.

Unless the game changes so much that impact to the head area is reduced greatly, I just think this is going to be a serious concern for the viability of professional football over the next 10 to 20 years.

 
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