This is why Tackles are an unofficial stat (1 Viewer)

[ffchamp1]

BUFF beat KC 14-3The Bills had 59 solo tackles, and 33 assisted tackles for a total of 92The Chiefs ran the ball 32 times and completed 23 passes for a total of 55.The ST tackles do not factor in as they are recorded seperately.The Bills ran 28 times and completed 13 passes for a total of 41 The Chiefs had 33 solos and 20 assisted tackles for a total of 53.How is this possible that a team has more solo tackles (92) than the opposition ran plays (55). Anybody guess where the game was played?Tom

 

[abe froman]

BUFF beat KC 14-3

The Bills had 59 solo tackles, and 33 assisted tackles for a total of 92

The Chiefs ran the ball 32 times and completed 23 passes for a total of 55.

The ST tackles do not factor in as they are recorded seperately.

The Bills ran 28 times and completed 13 passes for a total of 41

The Chiefs had 33 solos and 20 assisted tackles for a total of 53.

How is this possible that a team has more solo tackles (92) than the opposition ran plays (55).

Anybody guess where the game was played?

Tom

special teams & T/O's..

 

[ffchamp1]

BUFF beat KC 14-3

The Bills had 59 solo tackles, and 33 assisted tackles for a total of 92

The Chiefs ran the ball 32 times and completed 23 passes for a total of 55.

The ST tackles do not factor in as they are recorded seperately.

The Bills ran 28 times and completed 13 passes for a total of 41

The Chiefs had 33 solos and 20 assisted tackles for a total of 53.

How is this possible that a team has more solo tackles (92) than the opposition ran plays (55).

Anybody guess where the game was played?

Tom

special teams & T/O's..Wish it was that easy but as I wrote special teams tackles are recorded seprately. The TO's would be interesting except they are recorded seprately as well.

The teams combined for 10 ST tackles and 2 MISC tackles

Tom

 

[inbreeder]

Looks fine to me.

From the NFL Gamebook

Buffalo offense

28 rushes

13 completed passes

(2 sacks)

Total 43 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Kansas City defense

33 solo tackles (includes 2 sacks)

20 assisted tackles

6 special teams and misc tackles

***43 plays where defensive tackle possible, 33 solo tackles

Kansas City offense

32 rushes

23 completed passes

(6 sacks)

Total 61 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Buffalo defense

59 solo tackles (includes 6 sacks)

33 assisted tackles

6 special teams and miscellaneous tackles

***61 plays where defensive tackle possible, 59 solo tackles

Where's the problem again??

 

[ffchamp1]

Looks fine to me.

From the NFL Gamebook

Buffalo offense

28 rushes

13 completed passes

(2 sacks)

Total 43 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Kansas City defense

33 solo tackles (includes 2 sacks)

20 assisted tackles

6 special teams and misc tackles

***43 plays where defensive tackle possible, 33 solo tackles

Kansas City offense

32 rushes

23 completed passes

(6 sacks)

Total 61 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Buffalo defense

59 solo tackles (includes 6 sacks)

33 assisted tackles

6 special teams and miscellaneous tackles

***61 plays where defensive tackle possible, 59 solo tackles

Where's the problem again??

Maybe I should have been more clear...How can you have a solo tackle AND and assist.

As far as the sacks, a sack is recorded as a tackle. One cannot have a sack without being rewarded the tackle, per NFL.com.

Judging by your response you don't see anything wrong with 61 plays and 59 solo's but you don't have an explanation for the 33 assists?

Tom

 

[inbreeder]

Looks fine to me.

From the NFL Gamebook

Buffalo offense

28 rushes

13 completed passes

(2 sacks)

Total 43 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Kansas City defense

33 solo tackles (includes 2 sacks)

20 assisted tackles

6 special teams and misc tackles

***43 plays where defensive tackle possible, 33 solo tackles

Kansas City offense

32 rushes

23 completed passes

(6 sacks)

Total 61 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Buffalo defense

59 solo tackles (includes 6 sacks)

33 assisted tackles

6 special teams and miscellaneous tackles

***61 plays where defensive tackle possible, 59 solo tackles

Where's the problem again??

Maybe I should have been more clear...How can you have a solo tackle AND and assist.

As far as the sacks, a sack is recorded as a tackle. One cannot have a sack without being rewarded the tackle, per NFL.com.

Judging by your response you don't see anything wrong with 61 plays and 59 solo's but you don't have an explanation for the 33 assists?

Tom

Yeah, you're right, the language for solo and assisted tackles is silly. It is rare for a play in which two teammates are credited with making a tackle for both to be awarded assisted tackles. For whatever reason, the convention seems to be that the primary tackler is awarded a "solo" tackle. I don't have an explanation for that convention. If that was your point, then I misread your intention of pointing out the specific numbers, and I agree.I understand how the sack equals tackle works, that why I added the sacks separately as they don't count as rushes or completed passes but they do result in a tackle.

The bigger issue is, and has always been, which home teams award more assists than others. Previous threads have addressed that issue, but no one this season has looked into which home teams are the juiciest in awarding tackles to multiple players on the same play.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I just went through the play by play and only counted 6 solo stops for London Fletcher, yet he was credited with 13. However, there are also 7 plays where he is listed as the primary tackler and someone else is listed as the secondary tackler. If you give him credit for all solo stops or plays where he was the primary tackler, then it adds up to 13.You can have a solo tackle and an assisted tackle on the same play.

 

[ffchamp1]

Looks fine to me.

From the NFL Gamebook

Buffalo offense

28 rushes

13 completed passes

(2 sacks)

Total 43 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Kansas City defense

33 solo tackles (includes 2 sacks)

20 assisted tackles

6 special teams and misc tackles

***43 plays where defensive tackle possible, 33 solo tackles

Kansas City offense

32 rushes

23 completed passes

(6 sacks)

Total 61 plays in which an unassisted tackle could be made

Buffalo defense

59 solo tackles (includes 6 sacks)

33 assisted tackles

6 special teams and miscellaneous tackles

***61 plays where defensive tackle possible, 59 solo tackles

Where's the problem again??

Maybe I should have been more clear...How can you have a solo tackle AND and assist.

As far as the sacks, a sack is recorded as a tackle. One cannot have a sack without being rewarded the tackle, per NFL.com.

Judging by your response you don't see anything wrong with 61 plays and 59 solo's but you don't have an explanation for the 33 assists?

Tom

Yeah, you're right, the language for solo and assisted tackles is silly. It is rare for a play in which two teammates are credited with making a tackle for both to be awarded assisted tackles. For whatever reason, the convention seems to be that the primary tackler is awarded a "solo" tackle. I don't have an explanation for that convention. If that was your point, then I misread your intention of pointing out the specific numbers, and I agree.I understand how the sack equals tackle works, that why I added the sacks separately as they don't count as rushes or completed passes but they do result in a tackle.

The bigger issue is, and has always been, which home teams award more assists than others. Previous threads have addressed that issue, but no one this season has looked into which home teams are the juiciest in awarding tackles to multiple players on the same play.

ATL, IND, SD, BUFF, NYJ have all historically been very generous with the assists. There was a great piece by a guy named Cliff Charpentier (SP) about 10 yrs ago on this subject. Some of the LB's were credited with more tackles than plays run for EVERY home game.I know BALT and MIA when watching Thomas and Lewis play get a tackle for running by someone and talking to them while they are down.

Tom

 

[The_Hunchback]

How is this possible that a team has more solo tackles (92) than the opposition ran plays (55).

This sentence I think is your downfall. You grouped up all the asisted tackles and the solo tackles calling all of them solo tackles. I understand the point you are trying to make though.It seems they give the primary tackler (initial contact) the solo while someone coming after the initial contact the assist. If you gave both of them an assisted tackle then there really wouldn't be many solos at all. You would still have a problem adding them all up because some of the solo tackles would just move to assisted tackles instead, more tackles than plays run.

 

[ffchamp1]

How is this possible that a team has more solo tackles (92) than the opposition ran plays (55).

This sentence I think is your downfall. You grouped up all the asisted tackles and the solo tackles calling all of them solo tackles. I understand the point you are trying to make though.It seems they give the primary tackler (initial contact) the solo while someone coming after the initial contact the assist. If you gave both of them an assisted tackle then there really wouldn't be many solos at all. You would still have a problem adding them all up because some of the solo tackles would just move to assisted tackles instead, more tackles than plays run.

I didn't realize I wrote that, my bad. My point was the total tackles and then when I was refering to solo's there were actually more solo's than plays.Tom

 

[nortobc]

ATL, IND, SD, BUFF, NYJ have all historically been very generous with the assists. There was a great piece by a guy named Cliff Charpentier (SP) about 10 yrs ago on this subject. Some of the LB's were credited with more tackles than plays run for EVERY home game.

...for future drafts.

 

[mario8723]

ATL, IND, SD, BUFF, NYJ have all historically been very generous with the assists. There was a great piece by a guy named Cliff Charpentier (SP) about 10 yrs ago on this subject. Some of the LB's were credited with more tackles than plays run for EVERY home game.

...for future drafts.

ARI has always been generous with solos as well

 

[thatguy]

I don't know for sure, but I think Cleveland is the same way. Andra Davis has been racking up huge assist numbers this year, without which he would be merely an average player in my league's scoring system.

 

[encaitar]

I can't say how the NFL defines a solo tackle, but in college we defined it as: If a player makes initial contact with the ball-carrier and continues with the contact until the ball-carrier is down, regardless whether another player helped bring him down.

 

[Rozelle]

Yep, several teams are generous with both solos and assists. Sometimes I wonder if the fellow scoring, plays in an IDP fantasy league