http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqDT...p&type=lgns
Just curious if any homers heard anything else on this injury?
Thanks
Just curious if any homers heard anything else on this injury?
Thanks
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Thomas Jones hobbled today (1 Viewer)
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purestrength
Footballguy
Bumping this to the top (also curious here).
supermark_28
Footballguy
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Headlines...FL&hl=95542
They're calling it an "apparent calf/ankle injury".
They're calling it an "apparent calf/ankle injury".
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/10292709
This guy has always had an injury almost every year in this league. And the only time he has looked good is behind the under-rated Bears OL that has perennial probowlers in Kreutz and Reuben Brown and solid OTs in John Tait and Fred Miller, with Des Clark one of the best blocking TEs in the league.
Yet, everyone seems to think the Bears made the wrong move letting him go in his final year for the draft pick compensation.
This guy has always had an injury almost every year in this league. And the only time he has looked good is behind the under-rated Bears OL that has perennial probowlers in Kreutz and Reuben Brown and solid OTs in John Tait and Fred Miller, with Des Clark one of the best blocking TEs in the league.
Yet, everyone seems to think the Bears made the wrong move letting him go in his final year for the draft pick compensation.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
TJ carried some of the worst offenses in recent NFL history during his time in Chicago and also led them to the Super Bowl. Why so bitter?
greeklightnin
Footballguy
Its worth mentioning that he rode a "hand-bike". He should be OK though.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Sorry if I sounded bitter. I actually love TJ. But the facts are the only time he has been productive in this league is behind the Bears OL. And he has always been out some games every year since he entered his league. So, letting him go after seeing how well Benson did last year in the 2nd half (against even tough run Ds like Minny, NE) was the right thing to do in my mind.
zamboni
Footballguy
No offense, but I do think you sound a bit bitter having lost him to the Jets for virtually nothing. Jones has been hurt on occasion, but it's not only the Bears OL he looked good behind. He played well enough in Tampa to be initially signed away by the Bears.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Tampa Bay down?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
You are kidding right? What the Bears got was equivalent to getting a 3rd round draft pick....the going rate for a starting RB. See what others like Edge were dangled for and what someone like McGahee actually got traded for. And TJ is not as good as Edge or McGahee, other things being same (i.e. supporting cast, offensive scheme etc)
Otis
Footballguy
The bitterness is absurd. Jones was very productive in Tampa Bay as well.Good luck with Cedric Benson. I bet his yards-per-cry will be better than last year.
Otis
Footballguy
More homer junk here. Thomas Jones is not as good as Mcgahee? Based on which metric exactly? If you mean yards, touchdowns, yards per carry, or any other more commonly used metric, you'd be wrong. Unless of course you're basing this on catastrophic knee injuries, in which case, you're right, Mcgahee is way better.GB the shark pool.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Also it ain't like the Bears swapped TJ for a pick -- they also gave up another pick along with him.I don't know but that seems like a little much to get rid of a player.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
The Bears traded their own 2nd rounder and Thomas Jones for the Jets second rounder. Then during the draft Jerry Angelo traded the newly acquired Jets second rounder for a late second(one spot before their original pick) and a 2008 3rd rounder.So in essence the Bears got a 2007 3rd round pick- Garrett Wolfe and a 2008 3rd round pick for Thomas Jones.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Otis your from New York....of course your going to think you just got the most amazing 28 year old RB. But then you get him and learn that he is an average starting RB in the NFL.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Thomas Jones is an average starting running back at the NFL level and he did prosper behind one of the better offensive lines in football in Chicago. If you look back at what he did prior to joining the Bears, it isn't very impressive at all...
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2000 ari | 14 | 112 373 3.3 2 | 32 208 6.5 0 |
| 2001 ari | 16 | 112 380 3.4 5 | 21 151 7.2 0 |
| 2002 ari | 9 | 138 511 3.7 2 | 20 113 5.7 0 |
| 2003 tam | 16 | 137 627 4.6 3 | 24 180 7.5 0 |
That said, he is still better than all the other options the Jets used last season and will be an upgrade for the team. He isn't blessed with great natural ability and he isn't all that elusive in space as his 0 receiving touchdowns illustrates. He won't make many defenders miss outright but he'll run hard, give it his all and will move the chains.
McGahee for one has more natural ability and properly motivated, I believe he'll put up stronger numbers than Thomas Jones in 2007 and beyond.
The Jets landed themselves a dependable starting RB. If you believe Jones is more than that, you'll come away disappointed.
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2000 ari | 14 | 112 373 3.3 2 | 32 208 6.5 0 |
| 2001 ari | 16 | 112 380 3.4 5 | 21 151 7.2 0 |
| 2002 ari | 9 | 138 511 3.7 2 | 20 113 5.7 0 |
| 2003 tam | 16 | 137 627 4.6 3 | 24 180 7.5 0 |
That said, he is still better than all the other options the Jets used last season and will be an upgrade for the team. He isn't blessed with great natural ability and he isn't all that elusive in space as his 0 receiving touchdowns illustrates. He won't make many defenders miss outright but he'll run hard, give it his all and will move the chains.
McGahee for one has more natural ability and properly motivated, I believe he'll put up stronger numbers than Thomas Jones in 2007 and beyond.
The Jets landed themselves a dependable starting RB. If you believe Jones is more than that, you'll come away disappointed.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Jones is a solid runner. I think he's going to be a nice upgrade for the Jets.
That said, the Bears made the right move in dealing Jones and contrary to popular belief got about what he was worth. He's a lot closer to the middle, in terms on NFL backs, than the top. He's highly overrated around here which probably stems from the last thing people saw - the playoffs. He was undeniably great in the playoffs, but towards the end of the regular season he started to lose carries and Benson preformed just as well or better.
I think what you got from Jones the last couple of years is a lot closer to his ceiling than anything else.
That said, the Bears made the right move in dealing Jones and contrary to popular belief got about what he was worth. He's a lot closer to the middle, in terms on NFL backs, than the top. He's highly overrated around here which probably stems from the last thing people saw - the playoffs. He was undeniably great in the playoffs, but towards the end of the regular season he started to lose carries and Benson preformed just as well or better.
I think what you got from Jones the last couple of years is a lot closer to his ceiling than anything else.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
IHaveTheBestTopLeft1stMolr
Footballguy
Sorry if I sounded bitter. I actually love TJ. But the facts are the only time he has been productive in this league is behind the Bears OL. And he has always been out some games every year since he entered his league. So, letting him go after seeing how well Benson did last year in the 2nd half (against even tough run Ds like Minny, NE) was the right thing to do in my mind.
zamboni
Footballguy
Perhaps virtually nothing was a bit strong, but a 3rd round pick in this past year's draft - one of the weakest in the recent past - is not a whole lot.While no one is saying that Jones is a franchise back, I agree with Otis that Jones is a better all-around back than McGahee. I wouldn't put him over Edge, but that's not the point here.
As for Chris' lookback at Joneses history, I think we can all agree to throw out his start in Arizona. He's a much, much different RB now. He wasn't very good, but was locked in a horrible situation that no RB (except maybe Marcel Shipp) has still been able to perform well all these years later.
Long story short - Jones won't be the savior for the Jets, but he's a very good upgrade for limited consideration given in return.
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Pipes
Footballguy
This may be true but he's better than Cedric Benson. It seems to me that he "lost" carries to Benson in order to preserve Jones for the playoffs. They didn't want a dinged up #1 RB.
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Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I'm not a TJ lover, or hater, but one thing to note about his tenure in Zona was that he had Pleurisy which went undiagnosed during his rookie season, which I think might have played a part in his ineffectiveness. Wiki indicates that the effects of pleurisy may be felt long after the condition has gone away.
From wiki
From wiki
Everything bolded above would be pretty detrimental to an NFL RB where running and getting hit in the chest comes daily. I'm just saying that had his rookie season (and possibly longer than that) not been marred by this condition, then maybe he wouldn't have been so bad early in his career. He's a middle of the pack RB in the NFL, but he's a hard worker and performed admirably in CHI and will do so again for the Jets.
shadyridr
Footballguy
The NY papers are making a bigger deal about this injury than this thread is. Im not saying its serious but they said he crumpled down without making contact with anybody. That always scares me. And they were talking about who would take over if the injury is serious. Nobody knows for sure yet.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/billsnfl/story/140059.html
HEMPSTEAD — The optimism following the New York Jets’ first preseason victory was shattered early in Sunday’s practice when running back Thomas Jones suffered what appeared to be a lower leg injury, quite possibly to his right calf or Achilles tendon.
Though the injury was not severe enough to keep him from walking off the field under his own power or participating in cardio and strength exercises with other injured players for the remainder of the practice, it is undoubtedly a subject of concern for the Jets, who acquired Jones from the Chicago Bears in an offseason trade.
Jones was expected to become a mainstay in the Jets’ backfield. In Friday’s preseason game, he ran the ball eight times in the first 12 offensive snaps.
Jones incurred the injury while participating in an otherwise innocuous blocking drill. He planted his right leg to brace for a meeting with linebacker Brad Kassel and fell to the ground. Almost immediately, Jones removed the shoe from his right foot and was helped off the field. After several minutes with trainers, it appeared he might return to practice — he put his sock and shoe back on — but after walking several paces with a limp, he sat again and removed the footwear.
The injury initially appeared to be an ankle, but Jones and the trainers were paying particular attention to the low area on the back of his leg. He was wrapped tightly from above the shoe line to just below the knee, and though he did not ride the stationary bicycles set out for the injured players, he was able to sit on the ground and stand up with what appeared to be relative ease for upper-body exercises with a medicine ball. The Jets do not comment on injuries.
HEMPSTEAD — The optimism following the New York Jets’ first preseason victory was shattered early in Sunday’s practice when running back Thomas Jones suffered what appeared to be a lower leg injury, quite possibly to his right calf or Achilles tendon.
Though the injury was not severe enough to keep him from walking off the field under his own power or participating in cardio and strength exercises with other injured players for the remainder of the practice, it is undoubtedly a subject of concern for the Jets, who acquired Jones from the Chicago Bears in an offseason trade.
Jones was expected to become a mainstay in the Jets’ backfield. In Friday’s preseason game, he ran the ball eight times in the first 12 offensive snaps.
Jones incurred the injury while participating in an otherwise innocuous blocking drill. He planted his right leg to brace for a meeting with linebacker Brad Kassel and fell to the ground. Almost immediately, Jones removed the shoe from his right foot and was helped off the field. After several minutes with trainers, it appeared he might return to practice — he put his sock and shoe back on — but after walking several paces with a limp, he sat again and removed the footwear.
The injury initially appeared to be an ankle, but Jones and the trainers were paying particular attention to the low area on the back of his leg. He was wrapped tightly from above the shoe line to just below the knee, and though he did not ride the stationary bicycles set out for the injured players, he was able to sit on the ground and stand up with what appeared to be relative ease for upper-body exercises with a medicine ball. The Jets do not comment on injuries.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I seriously doubt that it is a significant Achilles injury if he walked off at all. Anytime you see a guy rupturing his Achilles, it usually involves him writhing around on the ground and screaming in pain.jbird said:
Notalways the case when taped and the adreniline is flowing. I read as many reports as possible and there is nothing more than what's currently ourt there. The going down untouched is a worry.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Mangini wouldn't comment if TJ has a hangnail - that place is now Fort Knox when it comes to info - gone are the days of open book Herm - who knows how bad it is1
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
If (and this is still a HUGE if at this point in time) Thomas Jones were to be gone for any significant period of time who would carry the ball? Or would it be some ugly RBBC?
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
The best kind of injury. Keeps him out of pre-season, but ready for week 1.
shadyridr
Footballguy
The only proven RB they have on their roster after Jones is Washington.
hephner
Footballguy
His ADP is about 27 right now, or 3.03, so I wouldn't consider it a slide to get him in the 2nd. Mid-late 3rd would be a slide.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
pardon? Washington is now "proven"???
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - that's why I mentioned it.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Compared to everyone else on their roster he is freakin Walter Payton
4.3 ypc as a rookie behind a young line was pretty legit IMO.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/blog/
First, a Thomas Jones update: He’s still alive. Mangini has allowed us to speculate on the injury to the running back, grudgingly describing it as a “lower leg” problem. Jones was walking around the practice field with the calf again wrapped as it was yesterday, and he had a seat at the Rehab Café. Mangini said that Jones is working hard and will return as quickly as he can. In fact, he said it several times. He must really mean it.
First, a Thomas Jones update: He’s still alive. Mangini has allowed us to speculate on the injury to the running back, grudgingly describing it as a “lower leg” problem. Jones was walking around the practice field with the calf again wrapped as it was yesterday, and he had a seat at the Rehab Café. Mangini said that Jones is working hard and will return as quickly as he can. In fact, he said it several times. He must really mean it.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=2972703
Typical Belichik like silence from Mangini.....good luck trying to figure out every week whether to start him or not if he gets an injury that nags him all year
Typical Belichik like silence from Mangini.....good luck trying to figure out every week whether to start him or not if he gets an injury that nags him all year
Rovers
Footballguy
Can you say high ankle sprain? From all I've read (and that's rather a lot) that is what it seems to be. Probably not the year killer high ankle that D McAllister had a couple years ago, but maybe enough to miss a game or two at worst as my best guess. He was on the bike, but the hand bike... not the regular bike. In the meantime, Danny Ware is getting some first team snaps along with Washington. This was going to be very close to RBBC with Jones in any case. Add in the fact that the Jets offensive line can't run block anyway.... Jets RB's are a bye week filler at best on a decent FF squad anyway.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
FWIW, I heard mangini during a quick audio clip on WFAN today, describe the ¨injury¨ as, ¨typical training camp injury¨.
packersfan
Footballguy
Saw this on PFT. Clayton is speculating it's a high ankle sprain:
Jones injured his leg on Sunday, and did not practice on Monday. His leg was wrapped from the top of his ankle to the top of his calf, and he rode a stationary bike and performed calisthenics. Jones also was walking with a slight limp.
The Jets won't comment on the injury, and aren't require to say anything about any injuries until the regular season opener approaches.
"I can tell you that he is working extremely hard, and he'll be back as quickly as he can," coach Eric Mangini said. "Thomas has a pretty strong track record. He's been pretty durable."
John Clayton of ESPN.com speculates in the for-pay side of the site that Jones' injury could be a high ankle sprain. (It's a good thing we subscribe to the Insider service; otherwise we might have concluded based on the available evidence that Jones has a broken nose.)
Jones injured his leg on Sunday, and did not practice on Monday. His leg was wrapped from the top of his ankle to the top of his calf, and he rode a stationary bike and performed calisthenics. Jones also was walking with a slight limp.
The Jets won't comment on the injury, and aren't require to say anything about any injuries until the regular season opener approaches.
"I can tell you that he is working extremely hard, and he'll be back as quickly as he can," coach Eric Mangini said. "Thomas has a pretty strong track record. He's been pretty durable."
John Clayton of ESPN.com speculates in the for-pay side of the site that Jones' injury could be a high ankle sprain. (It's a good thing we subscribe to the Insider service; otherwise we might have concluded based on the available evidence that Jones has a broken nose.)
packersfan
Footballguy
Update from RotoWorld:
Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports Thomas Jones underwent an MRI on Monday and it was revealed that Jones has a calf strain.
If so, he should only miss a few weeks. It was speculated earlier Monday that Jones might have a high ankle sprain, which would've sidelined him indefinitely. Leon Washington will see the bulk of the first-string action until late in the preseason. The Jets may have to sign yet another running back.
Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports Thomas Jones underwent an MRI on Monday and it was revealed that Jones has a calf strain.
If so, he should only miss a few weeks. It was speculated earlier Monday that Jones might have a high ankle sprain, which would've sidelined him indefinitely. Leon Washington will see the bulk of the first-string action until late in the preseason. The Jets may have to sign yet another running back.
