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Thomas Rawls, RB, CMU/Seahawks (1 Viewer)

Cut a playoff-time RB1?  Not bloody likely.

Not really worried about Michael.  Just need Rawls to get healthy.  I realize that's the minority opinion.
It might be a minority, but both his head coach and offensive coordinator are in that group. I think their opinions count a bit more than most. 

 
Cut a playoff-time RB1?  Not bloody likely.

Not really worried about Michael.  Just need Rawls to get healthy.  I realize that's the minority opinion.
Michael has the job to lose. Rawls, if he comes back, is the handcuff clearly.

 
Exactly. CMike has outshined since the preseason. No reason for him to not be the guy.
I own Rawls and believe me, I need him to be the starter but it's not like he was the established vet starter coming off a major injury with job assured. He had a nice stretch of games and flashed. Nothing more and we knew this when we drafted him. 

Carol is no dummie and he knows the injury nature of the position. As long as CMike produces, Rawls will only be the complimentary piece and golden handcuff. 

My team has the luxury of holding at this point but I can understand people's need to dump him.

 
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I own Rawls and believe me, I need him to be the starter but it's not like he was the established vet starter coming off a major injury with job assured. He had a nice stretch of games and flashed. Nothing more and we knew this when we drafted him. 

Carol is no dummie and he knows the injury nature of the position. As long as CMike produces, Rawls will only be the complimentary piece and golden handcuff. 

My team has the luxury of holding at this point but I can understand people's need to dump him.
I dumped him in a short bench league. For comparison sake I also dumped Ware and DeAngelo. Nobody has jumped on any of them. Rawls didn't look good before the injury. Between recovering from last year's injury, this new injury that was more serious than initially believed, CMike looking excellent and Rawls having only a small amount of success, it's hard to expect Rawls to come back at the level he was playing at last year AND overtake CMike

 
Michael has the job to lose. Rawls, if he comes back, is the handcuff clearly.
That may be true.  I just don't think it is.  This is a coaching staff and FO that has gushed about Rawls, and thinks so highly of Michael that they released him mid-season last year.

IMO Michael is the starter now because with Rawls dinged, he's the most viable option Carroll and the Seahawks have.  If they thought a street FA was a better idea, I suspect Michael would've been released again.

And as I said, I understand I'm in the minority here.  We'll see how it plays out.

 
Based on what?
Basically what davearm said.  Michael's proved to be a decent player and has exceeded expectations but I think Rawls is the better back - based on his performance last year and what the coaching staff has said.  All I said was "don't be so sure".  I could be wrong.  I'm in 2 leagues and actually own 1 in each so I'd like to think I'm somewhat unbiased.

 
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Basically what davearm said.  Michael's proved to be a decent player and has exceeded expectations but I think Rawls is the better back - based on his performance last year and what the coaching staff has said.  All I said was "don't be so sure".  I could be wrong.  I'm in 2 leagues and actually own 1 in each so I'd like to think I'm somewhat unbiased.
The situation sucks in 2016 but any dynasty owner with Rawls and Michael can't be too upset. I think rawls is starter in 2017 and assuming health is there will be a top 10 back. And Michael will likely end up a RB2 type contributer in some places like Carolina. 

Tell you what, in redraft if I was a little weak at rb2 but could afford to have rawls in bench for a 3-5 games, I'd be all over trading for him with the stretch in mind. I think from week 10 on he's one of those guys who carries you. Just hope my team is in contention by then. :)

 
The situation sucks in 2016 but any dynasty owner with Rawls and Michael can't be too upset. I think rawls is starter in 2017 and assuming health is there will be a top 10 back. And Michael will likely end up a RB2 type contributer in some places like Carolina. 

Tell you what, in redraft if I was a little weak at rb2 but could afford to have rawls in bench for a 3-5 games, I'd be all over trading for him with the stretch in mind. I think from week 10 on he's one of those guys who carries you. Just hope my team is in contention by then. :)
Rawls might not come back this year or if he does it might be to late for him to carve out a role but next year it's his job again unless C-Mike gets better. C-Mike isn't necessarily playing bad but I just don't see a RB. I see a guy that just runs as fast as he can to the hole and hopes something good happens. Which he's such an amazing athlete it's actually working out ok right now but he's not special and probably never will be. 

 
I noticed something early on with Michael, you clearly notice his athleticism on the field but he doesn't seem to have any real talent as a runner. Often times he just puts his head down hoping to get into the second level without any real intention for getting more. He isn't particularly creative. Rawls showed much more last year IMO.

Edit: Milkman  :ph34r:  

 
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Surprised he's not getting more buzz. Great stash to pick up this week for free instead of getting in a bidding war in the next week or two when they say he's practicing, imo.

 
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I noticed something early on with Michael, you clearly notice his athleticism on the field but he doesn't seem to have any real talent as a runner. Often times he just puts his head down hoping to get into the second level without any real intention for getting more. He isn't particularly creative. Rawls showed much more last year IMO.

Edit: Milkman  :ph34r:  
Careful ... Michael is a darling on these boards and a Bloom fav. :scared:

 
I noticed something early on with Michael, you clearly notice his athleticism on the field but he doesn't seem to have any real talent as a runner. Often times he just puts his head down hoping to get into the second level without any real intention for getting more. He isn't particularly creative. Rawls showed much more last year IMO.

Edit: Milkman  :ph34r:  
Love his twirl/spin move but he does seem to lower his head prematurely & kinda dives to the ground.  Good RB though.

 
Michael looked like he pissed off Pete Carroll in the Cards game by not keeping his cool on what was a late hit near the end of the game.   He got up and went after the Cardinal on the sideline and Carroll personally got in his face,  restrained him,  and sent Collins into the game.  I think this type of stuff is exactly what landed Michael in the doghouse earlier in his career so it's probably worth mentioning and maybe monitoring... 

 
Michael looked like he pissed off Pete Carroll in the Cards game by not keeping his cool on what was a late hit near the end of the game. He got up and went after the Cardinal on the sideline and Carroll personally got in his face, restrained him, and sent Collins into the game. I think this type of stuff is exactly what landed Michael in the doghouse earlier in his career so it's probably worth mentioning and maybe monitoring...
I noticed this too but Michael cooled down almost immediately and Carroll was grinning right after the exchange. I think Michael still has his head on straight but that's not my beef with him. I still think Rawls looked better last year than Michael has at any point this year. I think this bears out statistically as well since I seem to remember Rawls' PFF grades being off the charts.

 
Just yesterday traded Charles / m Floyd for Rawls / Jordy in a standard scoring league.  

Charles is worrying me.  I feel like he's on the down swing and Rawls on the upswing.  No clue what Rawls will do when he gets back but as a totally objective observer I was reading the tea leaves and it seems Carroll is quite enamored with Rawls and wants him back in the saddle.  

 
Prosise coming back also muddies the water. I could see him carving out a nice role in this offense and now spiller is cut.

 
Just scooped him up in a short bench league for free. I figured why not get him now for nothing and wait and see..

 
Cut a playoff-time RB1?  Not bloody likely.

Not really worried about Michael.  Just need Rawls to get healthy.  I realize that's the minority opinion.
This is exactly my thought.  If Rawls is as healthy as he was last year, the coaches have already said he would be the starter.  Plus Michael is averaging less than 3.5 ypc the last 3 games.  I think he'd be a better change-of-pace back personally.

 
This is exactly my thought.  If Rawls is as healthy as he was last year, the coaches have already said he would be the starter.  Plus Michael is averaging less than 3.5 ypc the last 3 games.  I think he'd be a better change-of-pace back personally.
I had a CMike trade lined up that went through after this past week. I was high on him but there's something about the talk by Carroll that made me worry Rawls was going to regain the job if healthy. Rawls was surprisingly available on WW still. Barring any setbacks, and assuming Rawls can be 100%, I think he gets his job back.

 
November is fine.  Really want Michael for these 2 games.  vs. the Saints, then home against the terrible Bill run D.  After that the schedule gets dicier.  I might try to unload him high to the Rawls owner if he comes up big this week and next.  

 
November is fine.  Really want Michael for these 2 games.  vs. the Saints, then home against the terrible Bill run D.  After that the schedule gets dicier.  I might try to unload him high to the Rawls owner if he comes up big this week and next.  
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-safety-kam-chancellor-out-another-week-with-substantial-groin-pull-rb-thomas-rawls-still-a-couple-weeks-away/

The timetable also seems to be getting pushed back for a return for running back Thomas Rawls.

Carroll had said earlier in the week that the team hoped that Rawls would run in practice this week and then possibly return to practice next week with the potential of playing against Buffalo on Nov. 7.

Carroll said Rawls did run this week. But he also indicated that the earliest Rawls would return now is Nov. 13 against the Patriots.

 
Good link to that latest story on Rawls.  Here is an excerpt which lends insight in a couple of aspects of his return:

"Carroll said Rawls did run this week. But he also indicated that the earliest Rawls would return now is Nov. 13 against the Patriots.

“That did begin, yeah,” Carroll said of Rawls’ running on the side. “And he is going about it — talked to him this morning about it — very aggressively. He’s going to work his way back. He’s going to make sure that he’s in really good shape before we get him going. Just kind of pass the test along the way here. So we’re still a couple weeks away. We won’t know until he starts to do the workload and all of that. But now we’ve got to get him in shape, again, and get him right. And we’ll take our time doing that so that once he’s back he’ll hopefully be coming back for good.”

Rawls has not played since suffering a hairline fracture in his fibula on Sept. 18 against the Rams in Los Angeles.

Christine Michael has started the last four games in his absence and will continue to get the starts until Rawls returns, though running backs coach Sherman Smith said Thursday he’d like to see more physical running out of Michael."

 
Why didn't they IR Rawls? It seems they are desperate to have Rawls back as soon as possible. At least that's how I'm reading this situation. I don't think they trust C-Mike and as soon as Rawls is healthy he's going to take this backfield over again.

 
Good link to that latest story on Rawls.  Here is an excerpt which lends insight in a couple of aspects of his return:

"Carroll said Rawls did run this week. But he also indicated that the earliest Rawls would return now is Nov. 13 against the Patriots.

“That did begin, yeah,” Carroll said of Rawls’ running on the side. “And he is going about it — talked to him this morning about it — very aggressively. He’s going to work his way back. He’s going to make sure that he’s in really good shape before we get him going. Just kind of pass the test along the way here. So we’re still a couple weeks away. We won’t know until he starts to do the workload and all of that. But now we’ve got to get him in shape, again, and get him right. And we’ll take our time doing that so that once he’s back he’ll hopefully be coming back for good.”

Rawls has not played since suffering a hairline fracture in his fibula on Sept. 18 against the Rams in Los Angeles.

Christine Michael has started the last four games in his absence and will continue to get the starts until Rawls returns, though running backs coach Sherman Smith said Thursday he’d like to see more physical running out of Michael."
Read the tea leaves.  Rawls owners are going to cash in by week 10

 
After watching the last Seattle game...  I frankly don't think CMike is very good.  He looks good when he has a decisive run and hits the hole using his athleticism,  but he also seems fairly inconsistent.   The most consistent thing about him is probably making bone headed plays, like false starting as the fricken RB inside the 5 yard line.  It also looked like he just ran too fast for his legs and fell down untouched on what should have been a long run.  I can see why he has been cut so many times,  and I would not be shocked if Carroll wants to cut him again.

Rawls is a huge buy.  

 
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He was ruled out for this week with the optimism he would be back next week. He has apparently been ruled out for next week too. Week 11 at the earliest. If he's being ruled out a week ahead of time, he can't be very close.

 
I've read that they hope to have him practice in week 10 and back for week 11. I think they ease him back in when he does finally get back. Hopefully full production by the time FF playoffs roll around.

 
I've read that they hope to have him practice in week 10 and back for week 11. I think they ease him back in when he does finally get back. Hopefully full production by the time FF playoffs roll around.
By the time FF playoffs roll around, Seattle has 3 awful matchups.  4 if you count week 13.

 

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