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Thomas Rawls, RB, CMU/Seahawks (2 Viewers)

Lacy is a non-factor. He' terrible. It all boils down to whether or not Rawls is or will ever be back to 100% health. We have all seen what a stud he is at full strength. But after a certain amount of injuries, some guys just never get it all back. I guess we shall see. You are right about him being well-rested. This could be his and now or never period. 
Even if Rawls gets back to full health he's in his third season where he can't keep healthy.  I think the better question is whether Chris Carson gets back to full health for 2018.  He would be the back to own in this backfield of underperformers.  Separately, I think C.J. Prosise is the next best back on the team but he also has the same health problems.

 
if he was any more under the radar he'd be subterranean. If somehow, someway he were to get healthy in the next 2-3 weeks, he has probably the best schedule possible from weeks 11-16 (especially week15-16. That's worth a roster spot at the end of my bench. SEA has a knack for getting things figured out in the 2nd half. I agree Lacy is a non factor. Only hope (if any) is with Rawls.

 
if he was any more under the radar he'd be subterranean. If somehow, someway he were to get healthy in the next 2-3 weeks, he has probably the best schedule possible from weeks 11-16 (especially week15-16. That's worth a roster spot at the end of my bench. SEA has a knack for getting things figured out in the 2nd half. I agree Lacy is a non factor. Only hope (if any) is with Rawls.
I just bought him for a buck off my WW. I still remember how good he looked taking over for Lynch. What happened to that guy??? Maybe he can become him again when healthy...

 
Even if Rawls gets back to full health he's in his third season where he can't keep healthy.  I think the better question is whether Chris Carson gets back to full health for 2018.  He would be the back to own in this backfield of underperformers.  Separately, I think C.J. Prosise is the next best back on the team but he also has the same health problems.
Isn’t Rawls a free agent after this year?

 
if he was any more under the radar he'd be subterranean. If somehow, someway he were to get healthy in the next 2-3 weeks, he has probably the best schedule possible from weeks 11-16 (especially week15-16. That's worth a roster spot at the end of my bench. SEA has a knack for getting things figured out in the 2nd half. I agree Lacy is a non factor. Only hope (if any) is with Rawls.
Seattle with an easy schedule against the run is like the movable object verses the stoppable force.. 

Pass.

 
I would love to think that Rawls is going to look like an RB1 like he has on the past...but it’s not looking that way. 

Their O-line is still struggling to open holes. You would have thought that they would have figured out better run schemes coming off a bye week. 

Basically trying to decide if it’s worth holding him one more week. 

 
I would love to think that Rawls is going to look like an RB1 like he has on the past...but it’s not looking that way. 

Their O-line is still struggling to open holes. You would have thought that they would have figured out better run schemes coming off a bye week. 

Basically trying to decide if it’s worth holding him one more week. 
I'd drop in redraft. I need him this week for byes in dynasty but am playing Kearse in flex instead. That tells you all you need to know.

In dynasty I think he is a hold. There are definitely a few landing spots where I think he could make noise as a FF RB2. Carolina. Giants. Jets. Colts. Put him as the big back in a Thunder/Lightning timeshare and I think he'll excel as an NFL and FF player.

But I think dreaming of stretches of solid RB1 production form when he exploded onto the scene in 2015 are gone. Despite what he did to the Lions in the playoffs last year.

 
He's kind of like the Amari Cooper or Sammy Watkins of RBs. After so many duds, how many productive games would he need to put up before you'd feel good about starting him?

 
He's kind of like the Amari Cooper or Sammy Watkins of RBs. After so many duds, how many productive games would he need to put up before you'd feel good about starting him?
That depends really. If he has a good game on 12-15 carries probably a wait and see. If he has over 20 touches and looks to be the guy that's a whole other story.

 
Isn’t Rawls a free agent after this year?
Great point.  I think he's on a standard 3-year UDFA contract which means he'll be a RFA after the season.  Given his ability I would think the Seahawks would be comfortable placing a 2nd round tender on him which probably wouldn't generate an outside offer.

 
Great point.  I think he's on a standard 3-year UDFA contract which means he'll be a RFA after the season.  Given his ability I would think the Seahawks would be comfortable placing a 2nd round tender on him which probably wouldn't generate an outside offer.
I'll be shocked if they tender him a second round level.

 
My gut is telling me Rawls is going to go off and lock down the starter role this week. I have nothing to back up this claim though.

 
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tombonneau said:
I'll be shocked if they tender him a second round level.
Why?  It's roughly $2M for that tender which is far less than they are paying Eddie Lacy to be second fiddle (and was previously 3rd in line).  An original round tender doesn't make sense because he would be gone and I think the Seahawks would prefer to have a solid backup plan in case Carson can't go right away in the offseason.

I don't expect someone to give a 2nd, I'm expecting Seattle will make it prohibitively expensive for someone to get him from them because that tender is cheap.

 
Why?  It's roughly $2M for that tender which is far less than they are paying Eddie Lacy to be second fiddle (and was previously 3rd in line).  An original round tender doesn't make sense because he would be gone and I think the Seahawks would prefer to have a solid backup plan in case Carson can't go right away in the offseason.

I don't expect someone to give a 2nd, I'm expecting Seattle will make it prohibitively expensive for someone to get him from them because that tender is cheap.
It was ~$2.75M for the 2nd round tender this year, so it'll likely be higher next. I think if they could re-do the Lacy thing they wouldn't have given him that money, and they didn't give him that contract expecting him to be 2nd or 3rd in line, but not sure why that's relevant anyway.

I think it'll depend on how he does the rest of the way, but if the season ended today I seriously doubt they'd give him that tender....

 
Why?  It's roughly $2M for that tender which is far less than they are paying Eddie Lacy to be second fiddle (and was previously 3rd in line).  An original round tender doesn't make sense because he would be gone and I think the Seahawks would prefer to have a solid backup plan in case Carson can't go right away in the offseason.

I don't expect someone to give a 2nd, I'm expecting Seattle will make it prohibitively expensive for someone to get him from them because that tender is cheap.
As someone said, tender will be closed to $3m. That a lot to pay a backup RB. It's why Bills did not match Gillislee contract. Who ironically was signed by Pats who are paying him good money to now apparently be a backup. 

 
My gut is telling me Rawls is going to go off and lock down the starter role this week. I have nothing to back up this claim though.
Right there with you. This very well may be the week. Lacy is DOA. This is Rawls chance to seize the job big time IMO. 

 
My gut is telling me Rawls is going to go off and lock down the starter role this week. I have nothing to back up this claim though.
Rookie Ethan Pocic gets the start at left guard. By all accounts, this guy is an animal. I will continue to hold onto Rawls...the breakout is coming.

 
I'm loving the positive vibes from the last few posts.  Love to think he is rounding into form, but I'm not quite as optimistic.

 
tombonneau said:
As someone said, tender will be closed to $3m. That a lot to pay a backup RB. It's why Bills did not match Gillislee contract. Who ironically was signed by Pats who are paying him good money to now apparently be a backup. 
You're probably right, but also keep in mind they are using a 7th round RB as their starter so the price for your starter and backup is less than just Lacy alone for 2018.  I think they would take that over letting Rawls get scooped up.

I guess it just depends on whether you think Rawls would get a higher priced offer from another team and whether the Seahawks are comfortable in not having a credible backup.

 
Todem said:
Right there with you. This very well may be the week. Lacy is DOA. This is Rawls chance to seize the job big time IMO. 
Seems like we've said this a few times already this season. I'll gladly watch him go off on my dynasty bench. 

But I traded for Dion Lewis this week to start covering RB/flex byes which tells you what I think of Rawls chances.

Would love to be wrong!

 
You're probably right, but also keep in mind they are using a 7th round RB as their starter so the price for your starter and backup is less than just Lacy alone for 2018.  I think they would take that over letting Rawls get scooped up.

I guess it just depends on whether you think Rawls would get a higher priced offer from another team and whether the Seahawks are comfortable in not having a credible backup.
Just curious- why do you keep bringing up what they're paying Lacy this year? Teams don't sit around and say "well, we overpaid for a RB last year so we might as well do it again". Same with Carson- they aren't going to overpay for a back-up just because they have a bargain as a starter.

 
Just curious- why do you keep bringing up what they're paying Lacy this year? Teams don't sit around and say "well, we overpaid for a RB last year so we might as well do it again". Same with Carson- they aren't going to overpay for a back-up just because they have a bargain as a starter.
If you follow the Seahawks long enough you get to understand they actually think of positions as having value ranges. That doesn't mean they want to overspend based on talent, but it wouldn't shock me to see them pay someone there even if they are getting a starter on a cheap contact. 

 
If you follow the Seahawks long enough you get to understand they actually think of positions as having value ranges. That doesn't mean they want to overspend based on talent, but it wouldn't shock me to see them pay someone there even if they are getting a starter on a cheap contact. 
I don't follow them all that closely, but after taking a closer look it seems their value range at RB is huge- when they had Lynch they were near the top of the league in RB spending, then the year after he left they were near the bottom, and this year they are middle of the pack after bringing in Lacy. Seems to me that they pay what they believe the players are worth, so I don't think what they paid Lacy this year (who won't be there next year) or what they are paying Carson next year is going to have any bearing on what they feel Rawls should get.

 
Awful.  Goes down on first contact.  Zero wiggle. Zero vision.  Literally just runs into a defender and gives down like a feather, then pops up and talks smack.  

 
It’s great for Russell Wilson though!  With no run game to speak of Wilson is their entire offense.  He’s a beast.  

 
Snap count was favorable for Rawls yesterday. I believe in Rawls much more than Lacy, but this isn't about talent, its about opportunity. No RB is really being given a realistic opportunity in Seattle at the moment.

Wondering if anyone else had flashbacks to the play that Clowney made while at South Carolina a few years ago where he caused and landed on a fumble vs Michigan. The specific play led every sports newscast nationwide. Went by the LT like he wasn't there and destroyed the RB in the backfield causing a fumble. Saw a similar play yesterday when Odhiambo totally whiffed on his block.  LINK

 
Thomas Rawls is terrible right now. Strictly from a redraft aspect he's droppable.

Seattle needs to find something.... Rawls isn't the answer, Lacy is.... yeah, and Prosise is never healthy (though the best bet to becoming the man in that backfield).

 
Thomas Rawls is terrible right now. Strictly from a redraft aspect he's droppable.

Seattle needs to find something.... Rawls isn't the answer, Lacy is.... yeah, and Prosise is never healthy (though the best bet to becoming the man in that backfield).
Honestly wonder if they should just give McKissic a lead role, similar to what they did with Prosise last year ... question is whether McKissic could hold up either (or if he's good enough).  But Rawls and Lacy are train wrecks right now.

 
Honestly wonder if they should just give McKissic a lead role, similar to what they did with Prosise last year ... question is whether McKissic could hold up either (or if he's good enough).  But Rawls and Lacy are train wrecks right now.
Not to make this off-topic, but they really should try him and Tre Madden. McKissic's deal is they are worried about his pass protection, no clue about Madden.

 
Rawls is a complete head case. He has a problem even running without tripping much less catching the ball or hitting holes. Seattle Oline not doing any favors (although pass blocking on Sunday was just bad at times instead of truly awful).

If anyone were to come out of this mess I’d bet on him but it’s a long shot.

I think they still have Mike Davis on practice squad he may get a shot here soon.

 
What a disappointment so far. Based on pre-injury production in 2015 I'd have never suspected my 4th round rookie steal was on track for... this. It just felt like the stars were aligning with Lynch retiring. Oh well, on the bright side I only made the mistake of starting him once this year (bye week cover).

 
I have been holding out hope that Rawls could take this job and flash some of his past strong performance, but yesterday clinched it for me, I'm cutting him this week.

Yesterday, Rawls played 41 snaps (59%), which was by far the highest among the RBs - next closest was FB Madden with 15 snaps. Rawls had 6/-1/0 rushing, dropped a TD pass, and committed a chop block penalty that took the team from the HOU goal line back to the 22 yard line. He is averaging 2.0 ypc on the season, which is the worst on the team, and he has zero TDs. I'm out.

 
dropped a TD pass
Not only did he drop it, but he looked about as awkward as an NFL athlete can look while doing it. 

One time I tossed a pen (or a white-board eraser, or a pack of gum - the specific item isn't important) to one of my co-workers....  I tossed it underhand with plenty of warning and her whole body tensed up, her eyes got wide, her arms tensed from her shoulders to her hands and as the object approached she made this seal-like motion and clapped the object between her hands.  Rawls reminded me of that incident.

Oh yeah, I'm cutting him too.

 
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The 2017 Seattle RB situation probably set some kind of FF record for futility. Four roster cloggers churned through virtually every competitive league, and for what, 1-2 games of barely passable RB2 production?

Even more amazing? They’re not even dead last in FFPPG at RB. That honor goes to TB & MIA, with Martin & Ajayi drafted everywhere.

 

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