Thoughts on Brad Childress as OC? (1 Viewer)

[Bracie Smathers]

What are some thoughts on Brad Childress as an offensive coordinator?

The Browns are believed to be interested in Brad Childress for their offensive coordinator position. As an AdP owner I have had issues with Chilly in the past as he would feed Adrian Peterson the ball between the twenties but then he seemed to yank him near the goal line. If Chilly had success with that plan I didn't seem to notice so that always irked me. It seemed to me that his offenses never did anything of note so I was always puzzled why he seemed to be a leading candidate for OC and HC positions. I don't have anything personal against him but I was hoping that someone could explain why he became the apple of some NFL teams.

Jamison Hensley from ESPN seems as puzzled as I am with the infatuation with Childress.

ESPN''s Jamison Hensley on Childress

Childress isn't the answer for Browns

The Browns made the right call when they decided to add an offensive coordinator, and they needed to hire someone with experience.

But hiring Brad Childress -- who is reportedly the front-runner for the job -- is not the answer. The Browns really needed to push to get Mike Sherman, who appears to be headed to the Miami Dolphins to be their offensive coordinator.

The problem with Childress is his track record with offenses. In the eight years that Childress has been a head coach or offensive coordinator in the NFL, his offenses have ranked in the bottom half of the league five times.

The disturbing part is he's only been an NFL playcaller for one season. The result? The Vikings finished 23rd in yards and 26th in points (17.6 per game) in 2006 before Childress passed those duties over to offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell the next season. Childress didn't call the plays in his three seasons as the Eagles' offensive coordinator (Andy Reid held that role) and he didn't call the plays in his final four seasons with the Vikings.

That resume doesn't inspire confidence that he will turn around a Browns offense that scored more than 17 points twice last season. Then again, it's hard to imagine any coordinator could really affect an offense that has major question marks at quarterback and running back as well as a void of playmakers at wide receiver.

If the Browns hire Childress, it wouldn't be the worst move. The team could have simply promoted quarterbacks coach Mark Whipple, but that wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Pat Shumur was overwhelmed in his first season as the Browns head coach, and he needed to have the responsibility of running the offense taken away. The only way an inexperienced head coach will succeed is if he has experienced coordinators supporting him. The Browns will have veteran voices with Childress and defensive coordinator **** Jauron.

If I were Shurmur, I would rely on Childress' advice but not his play-calling ability.

Hensley makes a valid point in that Pat Shurmur needs to pass along the offensive coordinator duties to someone else and that it makes sense to get an experienced OC in place so Chilly may be 'the best' out there but I want to hear anything positive about his offensive coordinator abilities because I have been puzzled by his logic in the past and his track record shows he hasn't been very successful so I really want to hear something/anything positive about Chilly's offense.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sounds like a browns move

 

[Bracie Smathers]

sounds like a browns move

BAD POSTING Yeah, this is a perfect example what I don't want. Any thing positive please.

 

[az_prof]

sounds like a browns move

BAD POSTING Yeah, this is a perfect example what I don't want. Any thing positive please.

As a Viking's fan, I was never impressed by the team's play calling. But, I don't know how much of that was him as HC and how much was his OC.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He referred to his offense as "kick ###" one time.

That was funny.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

He referred to his offense as "kick ###" one time. That was funny.

That's aaa. a start.But the guy must have done something to get the Viking gig in the first place. He's obviously not NFL head coaching material but he had a positive buzz to get to have the Peter Principle kick in that made it obvious that he overshot when he became and NFL HC.He must be technically profficient and detail oriented and he must be able to manage people to get as far as he has, also he has great pipes when he speaks to the media so he may have some sort of personal appeal but just can anyone provide an example of his offensive philosophy? I mean besides kick-a@@.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He referred to his offense as "kick ###" one time. That was funny.

That's aaa. a start.But the guy must have done something to get the Viking gig in the first place. He's obviously not NFL head coaching material but he had a positive buzz to get to have the Peter Principle kick in that made it obvious that he overshot when he became and NFL HC.He must be technically profficient and detail oriented and he must be able to manage people to get as far as he has, also he has great pipes when he speaks to the media so he may have some sort of personal appeal but just can anyone provide an example of his offensive philosophy? I mean besides kick-a@@.

He was the OC for Andy Reid when Reid still called the plays himself. He lucked into new owners (Wilfs) that didn't know how to hire a head coach.His offense is terrible.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

He was the OC for Andy Reid when Reid still called the plays himself. He lucked into new owners (Wilfs) that didn't know how to hire a head coach.

His offense is terrible.

True on all accounts but their must have been a reason he got the gig other than dumb luck.Gary Kubiak was the OC under Shanahan and never called plays and didn't even run offensive meetings during their SB run and he got interview for HC positions back in 1999, years befoere he finally landed the Houston gig.

The story about him not calling plays came to light after he failed his first round of interviews so Shanny bumped up Kubes duties and had him run all meettings and Gary got to call most plays but at-times Shanny would take over during critical moments of tight games, or at least it seemed he did.

Kubiak got the Houston gig and he hasn't set the world afire but he's been adequate.

Shurmur is overtaxed. He can't continue in the duel role as HC and OC and it makes sense that they get an experienced OC and it doesn't hurt that Chilly has HC expeience just as the Browns DC, **** Juron has NFL HC experience.

The Browns want Shurmur to grow into the head coach role. He was only an OC for one year and he was never a HC ever at any level so Holmgren may want to surround him with as much NFL coaching experience as possible so I'm not opposed on principle with this pick and it doesn't seem like their are tons of other prospects out there but I was hoping someone could provide something on the guy or his offense that worked.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

 

[nxmehta]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

If anything I would think that Childress would realize that an elite RB will only get you so far- you need an elite QB first.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

True on all accounts but their must have been a reason he got the gig other than dumb luck.

World class porn 'stache.

 

[Touchdown There]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

If anything I would think that Childress would realize that an elite RB will only get you so far- you need an elite QB first.

Bingo. And without one, both Shurmer and Childress will be "sacked" at the end of next season anyway. It will be interesting to see how the draft goes, but I get the feeling they are not going to move up to get RGIII. They want him to fall to the 4th pick.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

If anything I would think that Childress would realize that an elite RB will only get you so far- you need an elite QB first.

Bingo. And without one, both Shurmer and Childress will be "sacked" at the end of next season anyway. It will be interesting to see how the draft goes, but I get the feeling they are not going to move up to get RGIII. They want him to fall to the 4th pick.

From CBS Sportsline:

------ There was an interesting take last weekend from a very experienced AFC scout as he packed for his trip to the Senior Bowl and was interrupted by a phone call. The scout, whose team owns a top 20 selection in April, has already devoted considerable time roughly doping out how the first round might transpire.

He suggested that the Cleveland Browns might not have to trade up to acquire Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Robert Griffin III. And second, that, while team officials have all but decided that Colt McCoy is probably not the guy to advance the team, the club isn't completely sold on Griffin yet either.

Said the scout: "If they want [Griffin], he could fall right to them [with the fourth overall choice]. But they have to decide if they want him first." The Browns are one of three franchises with two first-round picks (Cincinnati and New England are the others), owning their own, at No. 4, and the Atlanta pick (22nd), because of last year's Julio Jones trade.

The early rationale has been that St. Louis, which has the second overall choice, will market the pick to a team desiring to take Griffin, since the Rams already have Sam Bradford in place. But the scout opined that the Browns might not necessarily be a buyer for the No. 2 pick, unless they are "completely sold" on Griffin.

Indianapolis figures to grab Andrew Luck with the top pick, and then the Browns' game of draft roulette could begin. The Rams won't take a quarterback with the second pick, and the scout feels that Minnesota at No. 3, after selecting Christian Ponder last April, won't draft a quarterback, either. In his mind, Griffin could fall to Cleveland at No. 4.

"That's a lot of 'supposing' to do this early, and I'm not saying I'll be right, but I could see it going that way," the scout said.

I get the exact same feeling that the Browns like Griffin but they may not like him enough to move up for him and I could see where the Rams and Vikings would not want to move down further than Cleveland's fourth pick at the top of the draft unless they got a considerable package from a team choosing later than the fourth pick and I can see where that does not transpire so RG III could slide to the Browns.They may take him if he falls in their lap but I don't feel they want to move up for him.

The rationale may be that he's raw, at least a year or two away so if he slides to them that they can't pass him up but they don't feel strongly enough for him to use additional picks to get him.

I felt that they wanted Barkley and could get-by this year and try to accumulate extra picks to make a move next year but if RG III falls into their lap they may figure the extra year Griffin will take to get up to speed is equal to waiting a year for Barkley so why not get a QB a year early? He may take two years but by getting a guy this year they would get a jump on developing him so if he falls to the Browns I would be in favor of them taking him but I'm not sure about moving up for him.

 

[Steelfan7]

He was the OC for Andy Reid when Reid still called the plays himself. He lucked into new owners (Wilfs) that didn't know how to hire a head coach.

His offense is terrible.

True on all accounts but their must have been a reason he got the gig other than dumb luck.Gary Kubiak was the OC under Shanahan and never called plays and didn't even run offensive meetings during their SB run and he got interview for HC positions back in 1999, years befoere he finally landed the Houston gig.

The story about him not calling plays came to light after he failed his first round of interviews so Shanny bumped up Kubes duties and had him run all meettings and Gary got to call most plays but at-times Shanny would take over during critical moments of tight games, or at least it seemed he did.

Kubiak got the Houston gig and he hasn't set the world afire but he's been adequate.

Shurmur is overtaxed. He can't continue in the duel role as HC and OC and it makes sense that they get an experienced OC and it doesn't hurt that Chilly has HC expeience just as the Browns DC, **** Juron has NFL HC experience.

The Browns want Shurmur to grow into the head coach role. He was only an OC for one year and he was never a HC ever at any level so Holmgren may want to surround him with as much NFL coaching experience as possible so I'm not opposed on principle with this pick and it doesn't seem like their are tons of other prospects out there but I was hoping someone could provide something on the guy or his offense that worked.

Shurmur will continue to call the plays. Strange hire by the Browns.

 

[nxmehta]

Shurmur will continue to call the plays. Strange hire by the Browns.

The PD is reporting that as of now, but no one really knows yet. Let's wait for the first presser and see what they say.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Shurmur will continue to call the plays. Strange hire by the Browns.

The PD is reporting that as of now, but no one really knows yet. Let's wait for the first presser and see what they say.

Philly head coach Andy Reid thinks they will split the playcalling duties and he feels their combined abilities to call a game is an good combo.Reid is confident Brad Childress and Pat Shurmur will make a great combo

Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid is confident Brad Childress and Pat Shurmur will make a great combo for the Cleveland Browns

Published: Friday, January 27, 2012, 9:46 PM Updated: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:12 AM

— Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid collaborated on a lot of play-calling over the years with new Browns offensive coordinator Brad Childress and coach Pat Shurmur, and he's confident they'll be successful together regardless of who handles that chore.

"Pat's a heck of a play-caller, and Brad's a heck of a play-caller, and I think that's a heck of a combination," Reid told The Plain Dealer. "Both of them can bounce things off of each other. That's what Brad did here with me, and that's what Pat did here with me. So, whether I was calling the plays or they were calling the plays, we had an open communication where we could talk and make the best of whatever situation there was."

... Shurmur will retain play-calling duties for now, but the two will have plenty of discussions about that, and nothing has been finalized yet, an NFL source said. Shurmur said during his season-ending news conference that he'd relinquish the play-calling duties if the right person came along.

"They were a great combo for me here, and we sure won a lot of games with those two at the helm of my offense here, and so I wouldn't expect anything different," said Reid, who ran the same West Coast offense the Browns have in place. "They work very well together, and it's a great fit. The Cleveland Browns are getting a great person, No. 1, and a tremendous football coach. He's got a great football mind, and he has a great relationship with Pat. It's a win-win all the way around."

Reid cited the tremendous job Childress and Shurmur did with quarterback Donovan McNabb, who went to three Pro Bowls with Childress as quarterbacks coach and three more with Shurmur in that capacity.

"They did a phenomenal job with Donovan," said Reid. "Brad had Donovan when he was young, and Pat had him when he was a little older, and Brad never lost his relationship with Donovan when he became the coordinator. The two of them developed him very well. He was a great player, but they did a heck of a job with him."

Reid is confident they'll have the same impact on quarterback Colt McCoy, if the Browns decide to stick with him.

"Both of them understand it takes four years for a quarterback to fully mature or get close to full maturing in the NFL," said Reid. "It's not a bang-bang thing that happens overnight. They understand how to go through that process and how to teach quarterbacks and when to be a little tough on them and when you need to back off. They both have a great feel for that."

Reid said he was lucky to work with both Shurmur and Childress and that the Browns are in good hands.

"You hire guys that are driven and smart, and both of them fall under that category," he said. "Both of them have a great work ethic, and they understand the game, and they have a whole lot of football smarts. They're smart guys away from the football field, too, but they really know the game."

Andy Reid did have success with both of them and McNabb had his best years under their helm so I will take what Andy says and pocket it since the history speaks what was accomplished with the combination of Shurmur and Childress in Philly.Its easy to bash Chilly for his failure in Minnesota but his forte isn't as a head coach.

He might do well if Heckertt can get him some offensive talent to work with.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Shurmur will continue to call the plays. Strange hire by the Browns.

The PD is reporting that as of now, but no one really knows yet. Let's wait for the first presser and see what they say.

Philly head coach Andy Reid thinks they will split the playcalling duties and he feels their combined abilities to call a game is an good combo.Reid is confident Brad Childress and Pat Shurmur will make a great combo

Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid is confident Brad Childress and Pat Shurmur will make a great combo for the Cleveland Browns

Published: Friday, January 27, 2012, 9:46 PM Updated: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:12 AM

— Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid collaborated on a lot of play-calling over the years with new Browns offensive coordinator Brad Childress and coach Pat Shurmur, and he's confident they'll be successful together regardless of who handles that chore.

"Pat's a heck of a play-caller, and Brad's a heck of a play-caller, and I think that's a heck of a combination," Reid told The Plain Dealer. "Both of them can bounce things off of each other. That's what Brad did here with me, and that's what Pat did here with me. So, whether I was calling the plays or they were calling the plays, we had an open communication where we could talk and make the best of whatever situation there was."

... Shurmur will retain play-calling duties for now, but the two will have plenty of discussions about that, and nothing has been finalized yet, an NFL source said. Shurmur said during his season-ending news conference that he'd relinquish the play-calling duties if the right person came along.

"They were a great combo for me here, and we sure won a lot of games with those two at the helm of my offense here, and so I wouldn't expect anything different," said Reid, who ran the same West Coast offense the Browns have in place. "They work very well together, and it's a great fit. The Cleveland Browns are getting a great person, No. 1, and a tremendous football coach. He's got a great football mind, and he has a great relationship with Pat. It's a win-win all the way around."

Reid cited the tremendous job Childress and Shurmur did with quarterback Donovan McNabb, who went to three Pro Bowls with Childress as quarterbacks coach and three more with Shurmur in that capacity.

"They did a phenomenal job with Donovan," said Reid. "Brad had Donovan when he was young, and Pat had him when he was a little older, and Brad never lost his relationship with Donovan when he became the coordinator. The two of them developed him very well. He was a great player, but they did a heck of a job with him."

Reid is confident they'll have the same impact on quarterback Colt McCoy, if the Browns decide to stick with him.

"Both of them understand it takes four years for a quarterback to fully mature or get close to full maturing in the NFL," said Reid. "It's not a bang-bang thing that happens overnight. They understand how to go through that process and how to teach quarterbacks and when to be a little tough on them and when you need to back off. They both have a great feel for that."

Reid said he was lucky to work with both Shurmur and Childress and that the Browns are in good hands.

"You hire guys that are driven and smart, and both of them fall under that category," he said. "Both of them have a great work ethic, and they understand the game, and they have a whole lot of football smarts. They're smart guys away from the football field, too, but they really know the game."

Andy Reid did have success with both of them and McNabb had his best years under their helm so I will take what Andy says and pocket it since the history speaks what was accomplished with the combination of Shurmur and Childress in Philly.Its easy to bash Chilly for his failure in Minnesota but his forte isn't as a head coach.

He might do well if Heckertt can get him some offensive talent to work with.

So basically what Reid is saying is that you need to pair two mediocre guys to do the job that one good OC could do alone. I also like how Reid credits these clowns for the "tremendous job" they did with McNabb. It's funny how a good QB will make any crappy coach look good. Take away the good QB and they get exposed. Marty Mornhinweg is another Reid guy that falls into the clown with a good QB category. There have got to be dozens of other coaching candidates that would be more talented than Childress, but their resumes will never see the light of day because they aren't retreads with benefits with Andy Reid or Mike Holmgren or whatever overrated coaching tree these guys were spawned from.

 

[RandyDB]

Evidently, Larry, Moe, and Curly were unavailable.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

So basically what Reid is saying is that you need to pair two mediocre guys to do the job that one good OC could do alone. I also like how Reid credits these clowns for the "tremendous job" they did with McNabb. It's funny how a good QB will make any crappy coach look good. Take away the good QB and they get exposed. Marty Mornhinweg is another Reid guy that falls into the clown with a good QB category. There have got to be dozens of other coaching candidates that would be more talented than Childress, but their resumes will never see the light of day because they aren't retreads with benefits with Andy Reid or Mike Holmgren or whatever overrated coaching tree these guys were spawned from.

Name one good OC who is available?Now name one good OC who is available and also versed in the WCO since the Browns are committed to that scheme?Now name one good OC who is available, versed in the WCO, and who would want to go to a team without a franchise QB in place or a legit #1WR and their RB position up in the air? The only solid building blocks are an All-Pro OLT and Pro Bowl C on the line?Now after collecting ALL OF THOSE NAMES still on the list add that the OC would have Holmgren looking over his shoulder and that Shurmur likes to call plays so he would probably be doing the heavy lifting?Childress will do fine for the role the Browns had available.

 

[Donnybrook]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

No. Its Mike Holmgren call not Chilly's.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

No. Its Mike Holmgren call not Chilly's.

Of course its Mike Holmgren's call. I was more talking about the influence of Childress' input.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Interesting. So he's got the gig. Anyone think they definitely take Richardson at #4 now, for Childress to run his offense through? He saw first hand how an offense could be run on the back of an elite RB, for years, in AP. Why not take the "next" AP and continue that?

No. Its Mike Holmgren call not Chilly's.

Of course its Mike Holmgren's call. I was more talking about the influence of Childress' input.

Actually its Tom Heckertt's call. Holmgren has influence on personell matters concering quarterbacks as his input is responsible for the Browns nabbing Colt McCoy in the third round when he fell and the guy that Heckertt wanted was taken a few picks before Colt so even with 'The Big Show's' influence he differed to Heckert with the first three picks that the Browns had that year and even on the one pick that he did have influence he only piped up when the guy that Tom Heckertt wanted was not available.Chilly would have less influence than Holmgren and the Walrus has less say than Tom Heckertt especially with a top-four pick.

 

[MAC_32]

So now we have 2 failed coaches as coordinators. Usually I would like this, but our idiot coach is still calling the plays. So we're going to suck and he'll get fired then these two will unfortunately top the list of potential hires.

Wonderful.

Oh, and I agree with the guy that said we won't trade up for RG3. If he falls to 4 we'll really find out how the Browns value him.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

He referred to his offense as "kick ###" one time. That was funny.

That's aaa. a start.But the guy must have done something to get the Viking gig in the first place. He's obviously not NFL head coaching material but he had a positive buzz to get to have the Peter Principle kick in that made it obvious that he overshot when he became and NFL HC.He must be technically profficient and detail oriented and he must be able to manage people to get as far as he has, also he has great pipes when he speaks to the media so he may have some sort of personal appeal but just can anyone provide an example of his offensive philosophy? I mean besides kick-a@@.

He was the OC for Andy Reid when Reid still called the plays himself. He lucked into new owners (Wilfs) that didn't know how to hire a head coach.His offense is terrible.

Precisely. And any UW-Madison fans know that Chilly called predictably moronic plays when he was OC at Wisconsin too. He is the textbook example of a coach who has been in the right place at the right time, and has essentially piggybacked off the success of other more talented coaches. My college friends and I cheered when "Chilly" went to coach the Vikings...because rumor was that the Pack wanted to hire him. Thank god we got McCarthy instead.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

He referred to his offense as "kick ###" one time. That was funny.

That's aaa. a start.But the guy must have done something to get the Viking gig in the first place. He's obviously not NFL head coaching material but he had a positive buzz to get to have the Peter Principle kick in that made it obvious that he overshot when he became and NFL HC.He must be technically profficient and detail oriented and he must be able to manage people to get as far as he has, also he has great pipes when he speaks to the media so he may have some sort of personal appeal but just can anyone provide an example of his offensive philosophy? I mean besides kick-a@@.

He was the OC for Andy Reid when Reid still called the plays himself. He lucked into new owners (Wilfs) that didn't know how to hire a head coach.His offense is terrible.

Precisely. And any UW-Madison fans know that Chilly called predictably moronic plays when he was OC at Wisconsin too. He is the textbook example of a coach who has been in the right place at the right time, and has essentially piggybacked off the success of other more talented coaches. My college friends and I cheered when "Chilly" went to coach the Vikings...because rumor was that the Pack wanted to hire him. Thank god we got McCarthy instead.

Very insightful Alex how you cheered when the Vikings hired Childress because of his predictably moronic play calling when he was the OC at Wisconsin and how he is the textbook example of a coach who was in the right place at the right time. I'm curious, did you and your college friends cheer when Chilly won back-to-back NFCN championships? The first Minenesota Viking head coach to win two back-to-back NFCN championships in nearly three decades.I don't know. It could be that he has nothing to offer and his 33 years as a coach where he moved up the NFL ladder, mabye is was as you depict a product of him being in the right place at the right time. Yet I don't buy your dismissive deconstruction. Kinda sounds like sour grapes. I get the feeling that Childress has been marginalized as a result of his most recent failure.When I first asked about Childress I came in as a disgruntled AdP owner and skeptical but as I kicked around and started to look under the hood Chilly had some undeniable success that I attribute to hard work and ability. For what the Browns have to offer and what is available I am content that Childress will do fine.

 

[BigJim®]

He is the textbook example of a coach who has been in the right place at the right time, and has essentially piggybacked off the success of other more talented coaches.

His claim to fame is that he "groomed" McNabb. How he gets credited for success of a guy drafted #2 in the draft is beyond my understanding. Whoopie. He never called plays in Philly, so no reason to think he was good at it, or that Reid thought he was competent to do so. Yet, his power grab as a Minnesota head coach was to (1) hire a former QB 'yes man' Bevell as his OC; (2) take over playcalling duties; and (3) reach horribly in the draft to select Tarvaris Jackson as his next "groom" project. I don't see how he isn't exposed to all as a fraud at this point, only the fortune of landing Favre to cover his TJoke fiasco saved his job in Minnesota. Despite Favre's success, Chilly never saw eye to eye with Favre in his micromanagement of the offense that Favre wanted to control. Here's a guy who never established himself as being particularly good at anything, yet in his mind he wants to move all the marbles because he fancies himself a genius. glll Browns.

 

[Donnybrook]

I'm curious, did you and your college friends cheer when Chilly won back-to-back NFCN championships? The first Minenesota Viking head coach to win two back-to-back NFCN championships in nearly three decades.

You are an amazing cherry picker. Denny Green's team made the playoff 8 times in his 9 year tenure but, IYO, Chilly's back-to-back division titles is some sort of amazing feat.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm curious, did you and your college friends cheer when Chilly won back-to-back NFCN championships? The first Minenesota Viking head coach to win two back-to-back NFCN championships in nearly three decades.

You are an amazing cherry picker. Denny Green's team made the playoff 8 times in his 9 year tenure but, IYO, Chilly's back-to-back division titles is some sort of amazing feat.

He coached four and a half seasons, won two divisional championships, took the Vikes to the NFC championship game. His offense scored 470 points in 2009. What is your take on Childress? The his 33 years was dumb luck? That certainly isn't cherry picking, its unbiased take right? Chilly has a track record that is more than reductionist history.He has a good working history with Pat Shurmur. He interviewed for the Browns HC position back in 2004. Last summer he stopped by the Browns camp for Sirus radio and caught up with Shurmur. Rumors last year were that he was in consideration for the OC job but he took a year off. He is collecting a fat paycheck from the Vikes so he doesn't have to work.When I took another look at Chilly I saw he wasn't as bad as the upset Viking fans who have an axe to grind. Of the potential OCs out there versed in the WCO who have experience I was lukewarm on Chilly but after looking into his record I see he's more than his last two seasons in Minnesota. I think he'll be fine and if that upsets you then too bad.

 

[Heatman]

I'm curious, did you and your college friends cheer when Chilly won back-to-back NFCN championships? The first Minenesota Viking head coach to win two back-to-back NFCN championships in nearly three decades.

You are an amazing cherry picker. Denny Green's team made the playoff 8 times in his 9 year tenure but, IYO, Chilly's back-to-back division titles is some sort of amazing feat.

He coached four and a half seasons, won two divisional championships, took the Vikes to the NFC championship game. His offense scored 470 points in 2009. What is your take on Childress? The his 33 years was dumb luck? That certainly isn't cherry picking, its unbiased take right? Chilly has a track record that is more than reductionist history.He has a good working history with Pat Shurmur. He interviewed for the Browns HC position back in 2004. Last summer he stopped by the Browns camp for Sirus radio and caught up with Shurmur. Rumors last year were that he was in consideration for the OC job but he took a year off. He is collecting a fat paycheck from the Vikes so he doesn't have to work.When I took another look at Chilly I saw he wasn't as bad as the upset Viking fans who have an axe to grind. Of the potential OCs out there versed in the WCO who have experience I was lukewarm on Chilly but after looking into his record I see he's more than his last two seasons in Minnesota. I think he'll be fine and if that upsets you then too bad.

Good luck with him. In a year you will be singing a different tune. Wait till you see him give the "I don't have a clue" shrug on the sideline... classic Childress. Sorry to say it but no good will come of out of this hiring.

 

[Donnybrook]

I'm curious, did you and your college friends cheer when Chilly won back-to-back NFCN championships? The first Minenesota Viking head coach to win two back-to-back NFCN championships in nearly three decades.

You are an amazing cherry picker. Denny Green's team made the playoff 8 times in his 9 year tenure but, IYO, Chilly's back-to-back division titles is some sort of amazing feat.

He coached four and a half seasons, won two divisional championships, took the Vikes to the NFC championship game. His offense scored 470 points in 2009. What is your take on Childress? The his 33 years was dumb luck? That certainly isn't cherry picking, its unbiased take right? Chilly has a track record that is more than reductionist history.He has a good working history with Pat Shurmur. He interviewed for the Browns HC position back in 2004. Last summer he stopped by the Browns camp for Sirus radio and caught up with Shurmur. Rumors last year were that he was in consideration for the OC job but he took a year off. He is collecting a fat paycheck from the Vikes so he doesn't have to work.When I took another look at Chilly I saw he wasn't as bad as the upset Viking fans who have an axe to grind. Of the potential OCs out there versed in the WCO who have experience I was lukewarm on Chilly but after looking into his record I see he's more than his last two seasons in Minnesota. I think he'll be fine and if that upsets you then too bad.

I just object to "the first Viking coach to win back-to-back NFCN championship in nearly decades". Technically true. To me it is a blatant attempt to say Childress is the best coach the Vikings have had in years. The truth is that he was marginally better than Mike Tice. You can give credit to Childress for the wins if you choose but more often then not it was the Vikings defense was the driving force behind most of those victories. He was advertised as a QB guru but only when Childress got on his knees and begged Brett Favre to come Minnesota did the Vikings offense start to click. Shortly thereafter, it seemed like Childress wasn't a key part of the play calling. It was a Favre/Darrel Bevel co-production. It was clear that near the end even Favre lost respect for him.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

He referred to his offense as "kick ###" one time. That was funny.

That's aaa. a start.But the guy must have done something to get the Viking gig in the first place. He's obviously not NFL head coaching material but he had a positive buzz to get to have the Peter Principle kick in that made it obvious that he overshot when he became and NFL HC.He must be technically profficient and detail oriented and he must be able to manage people to get as far as he has, also he has great pipes when he speaks to the media so he may have some sort of personal appeal but just can anyone provide an example of his offensive philosophy? I mean besides kick-a@@.

He was the OC for Andy Reid when Reid still called the plays himself. He lucked into new owners (Wilfs) that didn't know how to hire a head coach.His offense is terrible.

Precisely. And any UW-Madison fans know that Chilly called predictably moronic plays when he was OC at Wisconsin too. He is the textbook example of a coach who has been in the right place at the right time, and has essentially piggybacked off the success of other more talented coaches. My college friends and I cheered when "Chilly" went to coach the Vikings...because rumor was that the Pack wanted to hire him. Thank god we got McCarthy instead.

Very insightful Alex how you cheered when the Vikings hired Childress because of his predictably moronic play calling when he was the OC at Wisconsin and how he is the textbook example of a coach who was in the right place at the right time. I'm curious, did you and your college friends cheer when Chilly won back-to-back NFCN championships? The first Minenesota Viking head coach to win two back-to-back NFCN championships in nearly three decades.I don't know. It could be that he has nothing to offer and his 33 years as a coach where he moved up the NFL ladder, mabye is was as you depict a product of him being in the right place at the right time. Yet I don't buy your dismissive deconstruction. Kinda sounds like sour grapes. I get the feeling that Childress has been marginalized as a result of his most recent failure.When I first asked about Childress I came in as a disgruntled AdP owner and skeptical but as I kicked around and started to look under the hood Chilly had some undeniable success that I attribute to hard work and ability. For what the Browns have to offer and what is available I am content that Childress will do fine.

Seriously, you're the one who asked for insights on Childress. And when I reply with sincerity, this is the bull#### I get in return? Stay classy. Sour grapes? My team won a title. His team didn't. What the hell is there to be sour about? Unreal.Childress had a stacked roster, particularly on defense and at the RB spot. He WAS smart enough to recruit Favre - a great move considering that it was by far the weakest position on the squad. Despite that, he still managed to screw it up and miss the Super Bowl.Anyway, I'm done offering you what were sincere insights.

 

[loose circuits]

wow, kinda amazed by the reaction. I think Childress will be a fine hire and Shurmur knows what he is getting since they worked together for 6 years or something like that in Philly...

 

[Biabreakable]

And just when you thought the Browns could not get any worse they hire Childress.

What a cursed franchise.

 

[Zimm]

Childress is not a very good coach IMO I've seen him through the years in Philly and the offense was very very vanilla, and only when Marty came to town the offense started to add actual wrinkles added to Andy's offense.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Childress is not a very good coach IMO I've seen him through the years in Philly and the offense was very very vanilla, and only when Marty came to town the offense started to add actual wrinkles added to Andy's offense.

The Browns have had OCs come and go.When they left the universal response was, 'dey were bums'. The Browns saw Bruce Arians go to the Steelers and the majority laughed. Arians changed and adjusted to the personnel he had and converted the Steelers from a smash mouth physical running team into a passing attack that ran bunched sets at WR with EMPTY BACKFIELDS! Unherd of for Steeler teams up to that point but it worked. Another OC Chudzinski went down to Carolina and Browns fans response was, 'he was a bum'. He has Kam fall into his lap and suddenly they are a vertical big play passing attack. The OC in Miami, forget his name, left Cleveland and the response was, 'he was a bum'. He turned Reggie Bush into a thousand yard RB. He somehow kept Brandon Marshall from self imploading and even got a very good performance from Matt Moore.Bill Belichick had a lengthy and in-depth history as a defensive coach who was schooled from some of the greats in NFL history. He revolutionized defense. He started his Patriots career with a defensive mindset. Belichick felt such little consideration of the offense that he had Tom Brady throwing to a DEFENSIVE BACK in their first Super Bowl.He changed and adjusted over the years and now his defense is playing second fiddle to the offense.Point?Coaches can actally learn, change, and adapt. They don't always reach a plateau and bottom out then take a steep slide down the garbage shoot. Chilly has survived for 33 years. He's built up repore with other coaches who have worked with him and respect him and what he can bring to the table.The Browns lack playmakers on offense so the job is not appealing to many people. The job is basically an edict from Holmgren that the Browns are going to run the WCO so anyone under consideration has to come in with a WCO pedigree. Also it would help if they had a working relationship already established with Shurmur since Pat likes to call plays so whoever was hired would have to be ok if that happens. Add the Browns will likely get a young QB prospect so a tract record of developing a young QB would be considered a plus.I think Chilly will do fine and that he wasn't as bad as the last year and a half in Minnesota and that he likely learned from that exprerience. He'll do fine.

 

[daveR]

People are wondering abou the timing of this move and are implying that Shurmer sucked so bad that he was forced to add an OC. I think they wanted Sherman and Chilly was choice #2. The man for the job wasn't available in 2011.

 

[dhockster]

I think one thing you guys are missing about Childress/Shurmur is the work they did with McNabb.

It's easy to say that McNabb was really good, and it is easy to coach good QB's, but I think the last few years of McNabb's career

show that his good performance in Philadelphia may not been just because he was a good player, but that the coaches put him in the

best system for his skills. I think the fact that McNabb struggled in Washington and Minnesota had something to do with him being at

the end of his career, but also, that he didn't adapt well to the systems the new teams wanted to run. You have to give Childress/Shurmur

some credit for McNabbs success because he failed so miserably elsewhere.

Whatever QB the Browns end up with, McCoy or Griffin or someone else, look for Childress and Shurmur to get the most out of them. I think

the Browns could very well have a McNabb type player if they take Griffin. Based on McNabb's career in Philly, I think most Brown's fans

would take that.

 

[nxmehta]

This is the definition of a wait and see hire. Chilly's had some success in Philadelphia and Minnesota, but he was also the laughing stock of the Vikings for a while there.

Who knows what he will as the OC of the Browns? Hopefully Chilly + Shurmur + a good QB = The Philadelphia Eagles when there were a decent team.

I think the bigger question is what Holmgren plans to do about the QB position.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

People are wondering abou the timing of this move and are implying that Shurmer sucked so bad that he was forced to add an OC. I think they wanted Sherman and Chilly was choice #2. The man for the job wasn't available in 2011.

I think you are right and that Mike Sherman was the consensus first-choice but he went to Miami.Many Browns fans took the fact that Sherman chose Miami over Cleveland as some sort of a backhanded slight at geographic location but it wasn't.When Mike Sherman was the HC in Green Bay he gave Philbin (the new Miami HC) his first job.I think anyone can see how Philbin wanted to return the favor and his first hire was Sherman to run his offense. So you are correct that from all reports that it looked like Childress was a second choice but thier is another component.Childress doesn't need the money, he's still collecting on a $6.3 million pay-out from his Minnesota contract so it makes sense if Chilly told Shurmur that he would take the job if Mike wasn't available because he could easily sit out another season since he's being taken care of.Oh and the odd story about, Holmgren, Heckertt, Shurmur, and Childress all having the same agent implies something where I think people believe the team is trying to only hire front office people from the same agent. OK, well if that is the case then Chilly is already collecting a fat paycheck so if the agenda is to make more money for the agent then why not have Childress sit out until his entire remaining contract is bled dry so another OC aligned with that agent could bring in a new revenue source?So that doesn't make sense to me at least.I agree with you Dave that Childress wasn't the first choice but that it is not a negative thing, I think Childress understood the situation where Sherman would be a good hire and he probably made it clear that he would be the fall back position since he didn't need the money. I think it will work out fine.

 

[Biabreakable]

Hi Bracie,

As your friend I wish this situation were not the case. However your putting you head in the sand wishing that Childress will be even adequate as a coach of the Browns. Childress is TERRIBLE and the sooner the Browns replace him the better off the team will be.

I realize you do not have much choice but to hope for the best. But as a Vikings fan I tell you honestly to prepare for the worst. Because that's what the Browns got hiring Chilly.

 

[Steelfan7]

People are wondering abou the timing of this move and are implying that Shurmer sucked so bad that he was forced to add an OC. I think they wanted Sherman and Chilly was choice #2. The man for the job wasn't available in 2011.

I think you are right and that Mike Sherman was the consensus first-choice but he went to Miami.Many Browns fans took the fact that Sherman chose Miami over Cleveland as some sort of a backhanded slight at geographic location but it wasn't.

When Mike Sherman was the HC in Green Bay he gave Philbin (the new Miami HC) his first job.

I think anyone can see how Philbin wanted to return the favor and his first hire was Sherman to run his offense.

So you are correct that from all reports that it looked like Childress was a second choice but thier is another component.

Childress doesn't need the money, he's still collecting on a $6.3 million pay-out from his Minnesota contract so it makes sense if Chilly told Shurmur that he would take the job if Mike wasn't available because he could easily sit out another season since he's being taken care of.

Oh and the odd story about, Holmgren, Heckertt, Shurmur, and Childress all having the same agent implies something where I think people believe the team is trying to only hire front office people from the same agent. OK, well if that is the case then Chilly is already collecting a fat paycheck so if the agenda is to make more money for the agent then why not have Childress sit out until his entire remaining contract is bled dry so another OC aligned with that agent could bring in a new revenue source?

So that doesn't make sense to me at least.

I agree with you Dave that Childress wasn't the first choice but that it is not a negative thing, I think Childress understood the situation where Sherman would be a good hire and he probably made it clear that he would be the fall back position since he didn't need the money.

I think it will work out fine.

Yeah nothing in Browns recent history tells us otherwise.

 

[RandyDB]

Childress is not a very good coach IMO I've seen him through the years in Philly and the offense was very very vanilla, and only when Marty came to town the offense started to add actual wrinkles added to Andy's offense.

GOOD Coaches can actally learn, change, and adapt. They don't always reach a plateau and bottom out then take a steep slide down the garbage shoot.

Fixed