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While I agree with you I think you are overstating things. This is nfl, not ff. injury history, 2 years vs 4. Stafford is more talented but flacco is probably thought of more highly in nfl than magic football.Edit to correct years.
Then explain how Luck and RG3 are ranked so high. That list is awful, plan and simple. For far more reasons than Flacco/Stafford.
Well yea, that too.
Agree on Green and Jones. Who else is producing like Bowman is for $500k?
Which players do you take issue with?Like many, I thought Stafford was too low and Wallace was too high, but in general, I thought was a great column/list.
Luck and RG3 being ranked high makes a lot of sense. They are viewed as likely franchise QBs with years left under team control at a modest salary.This list is an impossible undertaking that's obviously very subjective and open for debate. I don't see the point in reading a column that clearly had a lot of thought put into it and then making a point to rip it with analysis such as "That list is awful, plan and simple".
Come on, at least put forth an argument. I'm willing to debate my list, but posting "LOL" is just a waste of our time.Tom Brady is 35 years old. Drew Brees is 32 years old. I think Tom Brady was slightly better last season, but it was close. For a list like this, I think three extra years of youth more than makes up the difference, thus my rankings of Brees at #3 and Brady at #6. Perhaps if you actually put forth an argument for your beliefs we can now have a productive debate.
Bress is 33, not 32. I don't believe 2 years makes up the difference.
Ah you're right, 33.You really think the gap between Brady and Brees is so large that you'd rather have 2 or 3 more years of prime Brady rather than 4 or 5 more years of prime Brees? Man, I think its much closer than that. I definitely don't see any reason why you would feel so strongly that you would "LOL" at me. Pro Football Focus is imo the best publicly available scouting service and they actually believe Brees performed better last season. They ranked Brees as the 3rd best player last season and Brady as only #13. Links:http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/28/pff-top-101-of-2011-the-top-10/http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-3-drew-brees-qb-new-orleans-saints/Either way they're both great players and they performed similarly last year. I just think 2 extra years matters a lot when we're only talking about 2 or 3 more prime years for Brady.
you say the list is bad and then you counter it with a list of your own without taking contracts into consideration. That makes no sense when contracts are a major consideration of the Grantland list.
I guess for me, its just a positional value thing with the LBers. 3rd down is the money down in the NFL and LBs (except for the pass rush guys like Ware) don't have a big impact on 3rd down. Plus, I kind of feel like the 49ers D guys look better in their system than they would if you put them on another team. Tough to say on Ryan. His career so far reminds me of Eli Manning's a bit. He seems like one of those guys who will hit his "prime" at 29 or 30 and could be one of the elites right when Brady, Brees and Peyton are hanging them up.
Just as likely to be elite?This isn't about fantasy football. Eli is a two time SB champ, who has performed brilliantly under the greatest pressures the sport can throw at a player. Romo craps the bed every time he hears the word "playoff".One of these guys is a lock to be in the HOF. The other one is Tony Romo. I don't think the Giants would move Eli for the entire Cowboy roster, even if the salaries could be made to work somehow.
If Eli Manning makes the HOF and Tony Romo doesn't, it will be in large part because Manning has won two SB rings, which is meaningless for who is better in 2012, 2013 and 2014.
And at the same time, it's those two Super Bowl runs, versus the complete ineptitude shown by the other guy in playoff circumstances, that make the idea that one is just as likely to be elite as the other over the next three seasons utterly absurd.All we go by here is past performance as indicative of likely future performance. Is Jahvid Best just as likely to be elite over the next three seasons as Ray Rice? If one of those guys makes the HOF and the other doesn't, it will be in large part because one was able to stay on the field and produce HOF numbers, while the other wasn't. Should we ignore that when gauging their future value to their NFL franchises?The book isn't shut on Romo yet. I get that. But he isn't an elite QB. To say he's just as likely to be one moving forward as a guy who already IS simply ignores reality and common sense.If 32 NFL teams all have a roster built, except for starting QB, and the GM's are given the choice of either Eli or Romo for the same cost (since their "value" is presumably similar) to finish up their franchise, how many do you think choose each guy? I'm guessing it finishes 32-0, with the average time taken to make the decision rounding to zero.
I can't believe how few people watched the 2nd half of last year. Cam's been figured out, and has no tricks left in his bag. The only times he reached up and touched mediocrity the 2nd half of the year were against terrible teams. It turns out he's easy to shut down in the passing game, and the next adjustment becomes making sure he gets punished when he chooses to run. He got a pass because his team won more against terrible opposition. That shows a willful ignorance of context.Cam is less than a season away from drawing Vince Young comparisons. He'd be drawing them already, but people are terrified of comparing one black QB to another, for fear of looking racist. But the parallels are too strong here to ignore. Out of the gate strong based on a freakishly athletic but extremely limited skillset...figured out quickly by defenses, but it took a couple years before the results on-field made it clear he'd never get back on an even keel.The writing is on the wall. Cam has two tricks. Chuck it deep, or run and be big. That works for a while, then stops.I think CAR's staff might be able enough that they know to make sure they're among the league leaders in rushing attempts this season. They might be able to hide Cam's shortcomings enough that they can challenge for a .500 season. But he'll be the career backup nobody wants to admit they defended as elite two years from now.
Ya this makes no sense at all, I rated all the car insurance companies but I didn't want to look up rates so I just ignored the price. This list isn't who the best is its who has the most trade value. Stafford for $1.00 a year probably is more valuable than Rodgers at $20 million a year. Part the reason why Rodgers is the clear favorite at #1 in his mind is his contract, it's just hard to think of it this way cause NFL teams don't trade away bad contracts, or trade player for player very often.
I guess I don't really accept that you're guaranteed 2 more years with Brees. Also, it's relevant to me that Brady has stated that he'd like to play until he's 40 (I don't know if Brees has made any such declarations?). And although I would not call Brees fragile, I think Brady is the tougher player, which I would imagine would have some sort of positive impact on his career longevity.If we were talking a 5 year difference in age, I would take Brees. But I think the two years difference is almost negligible.
Eli Manning is definitely not a lock for the HOF. He's definitely got a very good chance, but he's not a lock by any means.I agree with your overall opinion of Manning versus Romo, however.
No, because you're not accounting for the $19M signing bonus that Buffalo gave him.
In fact, the original exercise is interesting, but has little value because of the general lack of significant trades involving actual players and not draft picks. While we might be pretty sure that Stafford is better than Flacco, at what point does the larger contract Stafford will seem to command equal Flacco for less money and improving two or three other spots. That's what the list tries to do, but the NFL won't confirm how good the list is, since there is a low almost no chance that we will ever see this happen.
Who do you think is a better regular season quarterback, Manning or Romo?
Yeah the revised list was pretty funny since it ignored contracts. But i don't think he put enough weight into contracts, Cruz at his deal and potential for this season should be in the top 20'Premier said:"that list sucks. I don't want to look up contracts, but here's my list."
Care to take a look at any of their contract situations?
Grantland(and Bill Simmons) for life 
This is ridiculous. Like countless other QBs Newton could end up failing but those who view him as potentially elite right now will have no problem admitting it. At least I won't. And feel free to mark this thread for future reference for years to come.The comparison to Young is equally ridiculous. Vince Young did not fail because he was "figured out." He failed in large part because he's proven to be a mentally weak person trying to do a job that requires a high level of mental toughness. That lack of mental toughness prohibited him from overcoming his poor mechanics and further developing his limited skill set. In his entire 6 year career Young has NEVER put up the type of numbers Cam did as a rookie. Vince Young is a guy who could have had success in the NFL if he was put in the right situation AND worked his butt off. He didn't and he's on his way out of the league.'Zeff said:
and you saying their list isn't up to par, then not even putting in the effort to look up contracts(half the point of the article) to contend with it is even a bigger joke.
Thank you, I'm a little groggy this morning and I didn't feel like thinking out an entire response for his ridiculous statement.
The list wreaks of inconsistency. Luck at 4 because of his contract and speculation, seeing he's never played a single game in the regular season. Then a guy like Stafford is ranked near 40 because he needs to doing it for more than one season. Comical.The article and list aren't worth wasting any more time on IMO.Care to take a look at any of their contract situations?
