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Thoughts on Jaguars WRs now? (1 Viewer)
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schooner44
Footballguy
I meant Williams as in Reggie Williams. The same guy who has spent more time time in Del Rio's doghouse than the family German Shepherd. I see your point about Jones as he has been much more consistent than Williams but I still stick to my guns that they'll both be gone by the start of the regular season.The Man With No Name said:
cstu
Footballguy
I agree.
Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya
Footballguy
You answered your own queston since "D" is the only question listed.Oh, and nice job staying on topic, btw.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Porter - start
RWilliams - start
Northcutt -WR3 / PR
Williamson - cut
Walker -4 or PUP
Sharon -Special teams
Jones - cut/traded
Yeah, Reggie Williams started off in the doghouse, but he really answered JDR in the last 12 games of the year. And there's no way that a running team cuts their best blocking WR.
I think Porter was a solid pickup but they might have over paid. Granted to get people to sign the first week in free agency, most teams overspend.
I think Williamson really needs to impress to even make the team. If Walker's knee is as balky as Jiggy says it is, I could see Williamson taking over the 4 spot if he does well in camp.
The other thing to remember in all of this is that even though it doesn't add up fantasy-wise, the WR corps has to provide special teams members for kick coverage and kick return. And I think that's what dooms Matt Jones the most.
RWilliams - start
Northcutt -WR3 / PR
Williamson - cut
Walker -4 or PUP
Sharon -Special teams
Jones - cut/traded
Yeah, Reggie Williams started off in the doghouse, but he really answered JDR in the last 12 games of the year. And there's no way that a running team cuts their best blocking WR.
I think Porter was a solid pickup but they might have over paid. Granted to get people to sign the first week in free agency, most teams overspend.
I think Williamson really needs to impress to even make the team. If Walker's knee is as balky as Jiggy says it is, I could see Williamson taking over the 4 spot if he does well in camp.
The other thing to remember in all of this is that even though it doesn't add up fantasy-wise, the WR corps has to provide special teams members for kick coverage and kick return. And I think that's what dooms Matt Jones the most.
radiohead417
Footballguy
I remember somebody flamed me here in December for suggesting Mike Walker could be IR or cut next year. Seems like for now, since he still hasn't been cleared to run (no link, sorry) that he's a definite candidate to hit IR again, especially with the guys out there.
I think it's going to be a big, open competition at WR, with Jerry Porter as the #1.
My thoughts:
#1 - Jerry Porter
#2 - Reggie Williams (perfect fit - possession & red-zone target to go with a speed guy)
#3 - Dennis Northcutt
#4 - Troy Williamson
#5 - Matt Jones
I think they'll put Mike Walker on IR again, or at least the PUP until week 6, then they could cut bait on Matt Jones.
Where's the jerk who bet me $20 that Matt Jones would outscore Reggie Williams to pay up now?
I think it's going to be a big, open competition at WR, with Jerry Porter as the #1.
My thoughts:
#1 - Jerry Porter
#2 - Reggie Williams (perfect fit - possession & red-zone target to go with a speed guy)
#3 - Dennis Northcutt
#4 - Troy Williamson
#5 - Matt Jones
I think they'll put Mike Walker on IR again, or at least the PUP until week 6, then they could cut bait on Matt Jones.
Where's the jerk who bet me $20 that Matt Jones would outscore Reggie Williams to pay up now?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
isn't that what the patriots do? they realize that throwing huge offers at the best FAs is cap doom, so they bring in a bunch of undervalued guys and see who sticks. until moss, every patriots WR free-agent (and other positions too) was a "dart".personally, i like their approach.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I wasn't comparing Porter to Berrian at that point, I was comparing Porter to the players he was touted to be replacing. Porter has never been overhyped because he's been compared to Berrian.Bottom line, if you want a younger ascending player it's going to cost you more than an older declining player in most instances even if you pretend there hasn't been a lot more off-field baggage with Porter.Neither has berrian.
FUBAR
Footballguy
If that happens, Williamson will lead the league in botched returns and will cost Jacksonville a couple wins.
FUBAR
Footballguy
difference is, the Patriots don't miss. Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau, Roosevelt Colvin, Corey Dillon, and I'm probably missing a few were all brought in for specific reasons and were values. Those are the players New England goes after, not WRs who can't catch.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
reggie will start.
porter probably will start.
northcutt will make a nice 3rd WR.
everybody else will fight it out to make the team and get on the field.
they may have spent too much money on porter, but i like the porter and williamson acquisitions.
some say,, "why bring in more talented underachieving WRs?"
the answer is that they are taking low-risk bets that their situations were a factor.
remember 11 months ago when randy moss was a washed up WR that was going to tear apart the pats' locker room?
instead, we just recieved more evidence that, if you take a talented WR from a defunct team and put them on a quality team with a quality QB, you can be pleasantly surprised, and more importantly, get a steal.
williamson is no risk. if a change of scenery and a real NFL QB help his development, great. if not, we cut him just like we probably would've done with that 6th round pick anyway.
porter has shown he can be an above average NFL WR with upside from there. the jags got him at his lowest point in value, following a year with art freakin' shell and year in the raiders attempt to clean up the art shell mess. it's a good shot to take.
i love moss and he might've made a nice addition, but considering the circumstances it would feel dodgy to acquiring him. getting moss last year=smart move. getting him this year, following him having the greatest year ever for a WR feels like a sucker bet. if a team is forming the habit of buying low, then signing moss now is the opposite of that.
porter probably will start.
northcutt will make a nice 3rd WR.
everybody else will fight it out to make the team and get on the field.
they may have spent too much money on porter, but i like the porter and williamson acquisitions.
some say,, "why bring in more talented underachieving WRs?"
the answer is that they are taking low-risk bets that their situations were a factor.
remember 11 months ago when randy moss was a washed up WR that was going to tear apart the pats' locker room?
instead, we just recieved more evidence that, if you take a talented WR from a defunct team and put them on a quality team with a quality QB, you can be pleasantly surprised, and more importantly, get a steal.
williamson is no risk. if a change of scenery and a real NFL QB help his development, great. if not, we cut him just like we probably would've done with that 6th round pick anyway.
porter has shown he can be an above average NFL WR with upside from there. the jags got him at his lowest point in value, following a year with art freakin' shell and year in the raiders attempt to clean up the art shell mess. it's a good shot to take.
i love moss and he might've made a nice addition, but considering the circumstances it would feel dodgy to acquiring him. getting moss last year=smart move. getting him this year, following him having the greatest year ever for a WR feels like a sucker bet. if a team is forming the habit of buying low, then signing moss now is the opposite of that.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
the level of transactions we're talking about here are less like colvin and dillon and more like kelley washington, jabar gaffney, and reche caldwell. the patriots miss. they don't take big shots and miss, but they take alot of small shots that don't exactly pan out.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
He came from the Raiders. How many coaches have they burned through? I'm willing to give any player a reprieve if they're a malcontent for Oakland. That team is rapidly becoming the most incompetent franchise there is.
hutchins929
Footballguy
Reggie Williams still looking like he will be a top 2 WR in Jacksonville?
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Andy Herron
Footballguy
Or ever was.The '76 Buccaneers were bad, but I don't think it was due to incompetence.
Almas_4th_Child
Footballguy
I think that this could be the case.
Toads
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
I thought he meant between all the #2 calibre WRs they have in JAX, Williams would be the best #2 WR there.For what it's worth, there was a good thread on Jerry Porter a few days back.
Bottom line, there is a lot to like about Porter. Some Raiders fans, or FF owners who were burned by him after his two good seasons have a very negative view of him. But if you really review his stats, he's got great potential, and is in a FAR BETTER situation in JAX.
I think he is going to be a very solid FF WR this season.
Fluff piece on Garrard, and a little bit on Porter
Another piece - interesting quote to notice
hutchins929
Footballguy
I wasn't referring to him being a good #2 FF WR I was simply asking if he would make it into one of the top two spots on the Jaguars team.I know he wouldn't be a good #2 WR in FF. Hell, he was the 5th WR I just picked in my new dynasty league.
Roy Williams
Anquan Boldin
Santana Moss
Donnie Avery
Reggie Williams
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I've been a Reggie basher for as long as he's been in Jax, but last year I changed my tune on him. It wasn't a statistically impressive season, but he did play well. I definitely see him as the #2.
I also think Northcutt holds on to the #3 job. Being 1, 2 or 3 hasn't meant much in Jax the last few years as they have rotated their WRs as much as I have ever seen from a NFL team.
I would be on the Mike Walker bandwagon if he were healthy, but that is based almost entirely on one game I saw him play at Florida Field during his senior season for UCF.
I hold out almost no hope that Williamson is going to be a significant contributor. Mike Tice still believes in him though.
Matt Jones is going to get the Leftwich treatment (cut just before the season). Pray your favorite team doesn't sign him.
There's a lot of Broussard and Sharon fans in Jacksonville that think one or the other is going to turn out to be great, but then again their were a lot of Cortez Hankton fans that though the same thing.
I also think Northcutt holds on to the #3 job. Being 1, 2 or 3 hasn't meant much in Jax the last few years as they have rotated their WRs as much as I have ever seen from a NFL team.
I would be on the Mike Walker bandwagon if he were healthy, but that is based almost entirely on one game I saw him play at Florida Field during his senior season for UCF.
I hold out almost no hope that Williamson is going to be a significant contributor. Mike Tice still believes in him though.
Matt Jones is going to get the Leftwich treatment (cut just before the season). Pray your favorite team doesn't sign him.
There's a lot of Broussard and Sharon fans in Jacksonville that think one or the other is going to turn out to be great, but then again their were a lot of Cortez Hankton fans that though the same thing.
az_prof
Footballguy
I like Reggie Williams as the one who has the best chance to be a worthwhile fantasy player, but honestly, I don't like any of them including him that much. That team is primarily a run first team and I doubt that will change this year. Porter will be one of those guys who is overvalued in fantasy and Jones will be cut this year.
Have they ever tried Matt Jones as a KR?I thought they drafted....Chauncey (can't keep em' all straight) to be a KR?
Sharon was cut
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Lets start it up! As a Walker dynasty owner, any news is good news. Probably more for dynasty, but if Walker gets a little bit of luck on his side with the knee this could be the turning point. His knee appears to be cleaned out and it has been about 3 years since the injury. It is a crowded mess on a run first team, but if you're a smart owner and can afford the space, Walker seems to be a prime dynasty-get or stash (taxi squad) and we should know a lot more after TC and preseason games too. This is small news, but still encouraging. It will be hard for him to stand out too much only practicing once in the two-a-days, but with some of the characters on this WR corps...maybe standing out won't be a problem with his skills. Anyone think he's still a year away or is now the time to grab/keep him and hope for more looks this season?
Walker returns to practice
Do people in JAX still see him starting on PUP like last year? It seems they have turned the corner and are ready to ease him in. You have to think some of these guys won't be on the team next year (maybe this year). Porter is always injured or po'd himself. Jones and Williamson haven't done much and Northcutt is reliable but aging fast. Walker could easily be the 2 man come next year with not much competition and may surprise some this season if injuries pop up.
Porter
Williams
Northcutt
Williamson
Jones
Walker
?????
Walker returns to practice
Do people in JAX still see him starting on PUP like last year? It seems they have turned the corner and are ready to ease him in. You have to think some of these guys won't be on the team next year (maybe this year). Porter is always injured or po'd himself. Jones and Williamson haven't done much and Northcutt is reliable but aging fast. Walker could easily be the 2 man come next year with not much competition and may surprise some this season if injuries pop up.
Porter
Williams
Northcutt
Williamson
Jones
Walker
?????
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
According to the article linked below, Mike Walker is making diving catches and Troy Williamson hasn't dropped a pass yet. Also Reggie Williams seems to have locked down the #2 WR spot.
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=7004
This one says Williamson "has been especially impressive in the second half of the OTA season"
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=7009
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=7004
This one says Williamson "has been especially impressive in the second half of the OTA season"
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=7009
massraider
Footballguy
My god, this may be the top WR corps in the league. Nothing says "objective observation" like an article in June from the official team website.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Actually, its not all spin. I can attest that Williamson has been really impressive thus far for a guy with little expectations, as I have been able to see the workouts personally. Great rapport with Garrard and he has a great attitude towards his situation. Walker has been stealing the show thus far, however, but he is still not 100%; I believe he's only working out with the team 1x a week.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I'm sorry, was I blocking all the other great information coming in on the Jax WRs?
massraider
Footballguy
Nope, and I don't have any problem with you posting it. And I shouldn't have been so smarmy.But I think any mini-camp fluff piece, let alone one from jaguars.com, needs to come with a disclaimer. This is more my own pet peeve.And really, this current Jags WR roster corps is kind of an offseason all-star team. Porter, Reg Williams, Williamson, Matt Jones, I think I have read offseason "look out now, this guy is looking good!" reports on all those guys.
duece2626
Footballguy
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Headlines...L&hl=117345
Jacksonville "appears to be ready to cut ties" with Matt Jones, according to beat writer Michael C. Wright.
Jones is low on the depth chart and has missed some practices with his typical nagging injuries. He would be an intriguing waiver claim because Jones' base salaries are only $625,000 and $565,000 in 2008 and 2009, respectively. The Cowboys, Dolphins, and Browns might have some interest.
Jacksonville "appears to be ready to cut ties" with Matt Jones, according to beat writer Michael C. Wright.
Jones is low on the depth chart and has missed some practices with his typical nagging injuries. He would be an intriguing waiver claim because Jones' base salaries are only $625,000 and $565,000 in 2008 and 2009, respectively. The Cowboys, Dolphins, and Browns might have some interest.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
In another segment Vic said he thought they'd carry only 5 wides because carrying 4 TEs provides more special team performers. I'm going to guess right now that that's wrong. Northcutt was returning punts last year and Broussard has the makings of a fine kick returner though that job may remain MJD's. Still, I expect them to keep six -- these six.Porter, Williams, Northcutt, Williamson, Walker, Broussard. So, I don't think Matt Jones is going to cut it. D'Juan Woods will probably end up on the practice squad. Jones will probably sign elsewhere and take a path similar to Ashley Lelie if not worse.It sounds a little like starting Porter and Williams with Northcutt in the slot is a the simple answer to a question being over-complicated.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Williamson always does well before pads are on.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
A bit more info from John Clayton on the WRs....What we learned from minicamp.
We already knew most of this but here's his spin...
What we learned from minicamp
The roles of the wide receivers were established. Reggie Williams, coming off his best season with 10 touchdown receptions, will start at flanker. Porter will work as the split end, but Williamson will also get some time there. Williamson's deep speed was impressive, which was expected. What made Del Rio feel even better about the trade with the Vikings was how well Williamson caught the ball. Dennis Northcutt, who caught 44 passes for 601 yards last season, will work from the slot.
The odd man out appears to be former first-round choice Matt Jones. Jones' poor work ethic has caught up to him. Despite his great speed and size, Jones' production continues to drop. He went from 41 catches for 643 yards in 2006 to 24 catches and 317 yards last year. John Broussard, a seventh-rounder, shows some promise and could beat out Jones as the fifth receiver.
The Jaguars also came out of minicamp feeling positive about tight end Marcedes Lewis, even though he's battled knee problems this offseason. The 2006 first-round pick looks as though he's ready to have a breakthrough year. He caught 37 passes for 391 yards and two touchdowns last season. Garrard, who's emerging as a potential star at quarterback, will have plenty of weapons to move the offense.
Injury analysis
The biggest concern is at tight end. Lewis is coming off knee surgery. George Wrighster might not be ready for camp because of knee surgery. Greg Estandia is coming off shoulder surgery but should be ready for camp.
Also, Porter has missed time this offseason with leg problems. There is some concern about the knee of WR Mike Walker. Mathis is coming off a torn quad from last year, but he was fine at the minicamp.
I don't get the small blurb on Walker here. He drops that there is concern about Walker's knee? What is he generalizing off of last season? There hasn't really been any reports that his knee had flaired up again, right? Sounds like he just wanted to mention Walkers name, but that's all he had on him? Why not say he practiced earlier than expected and all signs seem to point to the knee holding up this season!
We already knew most of this but here's his spin...
What we learned from minicamp
The roles of the wide receivers were established. Reggie Williams, coming off his best season with 10 touchdown receptions, will start at flanker. Porter will work as the split end, but Williamson will also get some time there. Williamson's deep speed was impressive, which was expected. What made Del Rio feel even better about the trade with the Vikings was how well Williamson caught the ball. Dennis Northcutt, who caught 44 passes for 601 yards last season, will work from the slot.
The odd man out appears to be former first-round choice Matt Jones. Jones' poor work ethic has caught up to him. Despite his great speed and size, Jones' production continues to drop. He went from 41 catches for 643 yards in 2006 to 24 catches and 317 yards last year. John Broussard, a seventh-rounder, shows some promise and could beat out Jones as the fifth receiver.
The Jaguars also came out of minicamp feeling positive about tight end Marcedes Lewis, even though he's battled knee problems this offseason. The 2006 first-round pick looks as though he's ready to have a breakthrough year. He caught 37 passes for 391 yards and two touchdowns last season. Garrard, who's emerging as a potential star at quarterback, will have plenty of weapons to move the offense.
Injury analysis
The biggest concern is at tight end. Lewis is coming off knee surgery. George Wrighster might not be ready for camp because of knee surgery. Greg Estandia is coming off shoulder surgery but should be ready for camp.
Also, Porter has missed time this offseason with leg problems. There is some concern about the knee of WR Mike Walker. Mathis is coming off a torn quad from last year, but he was fine at the minicamp.
I don't get the small blurb on Walker here. He drops that there is concern about Walker's knee? What is he generalizing off of last season? There hasn't really been any reports that his knee had flaired up again, right? Sounds like he just wanted to mention Walkers name, but that's all he had on him? Why not say he practiced earlier than expected and all signs seem to point to the knee holding up this season!
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FUBAR
Footballguy
ouch
massraider
Footballguy
My theory is he just said that to send Walker dynasty owners into a panic.Cleat Spike said:
Warhogs
Footballguy
I am a bit surprised the Jaguars have not tried to make Matt Jones a TE. I remember some talk about that when he was drafted.
I suppose why invest more time into a player that is always having a nagging injury and seems to lack desire? I believe it was also thought he would be a terrible blocker.
I suppose why invest more time into a player that is always having a nagging injury and seems to lack desire? I believe it was also thought he would be a terrible blocker.
I think that's it, there's some concern and there will be til he plays a number of games and makes them confident it'll hold up. When returning from a knee injury, the knee often swells up each day and goes back down in time to do it again the next day. After some time, of course, this doesn't happen anymore but you can't look at a swollen knee and be confident. That's all just part of normal knee rehab.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Northcutt- back in camp now but back pain this early can't be good
Porter- Hamstrung, surgery and sounds bad
Williams- Knee trouble twice in 3 days basically
Walker- practicing once a day but sounds healthy
Jones- clam baking on college campus
Williamson- ok
What is the story here? It's still very early, but this is a mess. Still hoping for Walker to emerge but he and Williamson may be handed the jobs by Sept.
The Florida Times-Union reports Jacksonville Jaguars WR Jerry Porter (hamstring surgery - PUP), who'll miss the entire preseason after having surgery on his hamstring, was off his crutches Tuesday night and made his first appearance at practice Tuesday while riding a bike.
WR Reggie Williams (right knee) appeared to reinjure his sore right knee after making a catch and spinning in Tuesday's evening practice. He was carted off the field, but the Jaguars said he was just taken in for treatment and they'll have an update on his condition today. Williams had been on the non-football injury list and had missed the first three days of camp. He said he suffered the injury running the steps at the stadium, and he returned to practice Tuesday with his knee still taped.
Porter- Hamstrung, surgery and sounds bad
Williams- Knee trouble twice in 3 days basically
Walker- practicing once a day but sounds healthy
Jones- clam baking on college campus
Williamson- ok
What is the story here? It's still very early, but this is a mess. Still hoping for Walker to emerge but he and Williamson may be handed the jobs by Sept.
The Florida Times-Union reports Jacksonville Jaguars WR Jerry Porter (hamstring surgery - PUP), who'll miss the entire preseason after having surgery on his hamstring, was off his crutches Tuesday night and made his first appearance at practice Tuesday while riding a bike.
WR Reggie Williams (right knee) appeared to reinjure his sore right knee after making a catch and spinning in Tuesday's evening practice. He was carted off the field, but the Jaguars said he was just taken in for treatment and they'll have an update on his condition today. Williams had been on the non-football injury list and had missed the first three days of camp. He said he suffered the injury running the steps at the stadium, and he returned to practice Tuesday with his knee still taped.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
Starting to thin out even more now with the Reggie Williams surgery news.
Walker
Williamson
Northcutt in the slot
Jones (depth)
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Or Northcutt's value goes up a bit here in the early go. He had some very good games early last season in ppr.
Walker
Williamson
Northcutt in the slot
Jones (depth)
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Or Northcutt's value goes up a bit here in the early go. He had some very good games early last season in ppr.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Porter may not be 100% to start the season but he'll be back at some point. IMO he's still the guy.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
New WR to a new team, not much time to learn a new system. Chemistry, rapport and confidence from and with his QB? He might be back, but I would think his season would be hampered to a degree. Maybe we should think of it as having one hand tied behind his back.
T Bell
Footballguy
Add to that that the leading Jax WR the last two seasons topped out at around 650 receiving yards, and that's just not a good situation.
massraider
Footballguy
A mess becomes messier.
twistd
Footballguy
And 100% of Porter is? Terry Glenn, Sammie Parker, what exactly? Porter is mediocre healthy. He got beat out by Curry last year. I wasn't high on Porter before and now he is dropping like a rock IMO.The person I worry about here is Garrard. I was looking at him as a nice sleeper. Now it is looking like he won't have anyone to throw to. Unless this WR group gets healthy before the season I would have a tough time taking Garrard at where he is being drafted.
