Thoughts on Knowshon Going Forward? (1 Viewer)

[RamMan]

I traded for Knowshon last week (Torain + Colston for Knowshon + S. Smith/NYG) with the understanding that he was finally fully healed and that McDaniels was looking to balance the offense more between pass/run. Moreno owners were rewarded with a very nice peformance yesterday. Thoughts on Moreno going forward? He's got a decent schedule remaining vs the run (except for perhaps next week):

@ SD (#4 for yardage but have given up 7 TD's on the ground)

vs STL (#6 but I think they can be had in DEN)

@ KC (#13)

@ AZ (#28)

@ OAK (#25)

vs HOU (#15)

I realize that DEN will not be on the front end of many blowouts as they were yesterday. However, they were going to Moreno early and often yesterday and perhaps now see the benefits of balancing the offense. Factors pointing to a Moreno uptrend: 1) vs KC he was heavily utilized in both the run and pass game; 2) stellar pass game should continue to open the run game; 3) no competition for carries 4) earlier injuries means he has been well rested 5) seems fully healed and running strong.

Caveats include: 1) seems to have problematic hammys 2) Tebow will contiue to vulture GL carries

If he can avoid the injury bug, I think Knowshon has a legit shot at Top 10 RB numbers going forward. Thoughts....?

 

[stbugs]

I traded for Knowshon last week (Torain + Colston for Knowshon + S. Smith/NYG) with the understanding that he was finally fully healed and that McDaniels was looking to balance the offense more between pass/run. Moreno owners were rewarded with a very nice peformance yesterday. Thoughts on Moreno going forward? He's got a decent schedule remaining vs the run (except for perhaps next week) SD (#4 for yardage but have given up 7 TD's on the ground)vs STL (#6 but I think they can be had in DEN)@ KC (#13)@ AZ (#28)@ OAK (#25)vs HOU (#15)I realize that DEN will not be on the front end of many blowouts as they were yesterday. However, they were going to Moreno early and often yesterday and perhaps now see the benefits of balancing the offense. Factors pointing to a Moreno uptrend: 1) vs KC he was heavily utilized in both the run and pass game; 2) stellar pass game should continue to open the run game; 3) no competition for carries 4) earlier injuries means he has been well rested 5) seems fully healed and running strong. Caveats include: 1) seems to have problematic hammys 2) Tebow will contiue to vulture GL carriesIf he can avoid the injury bug, I think Knowshon has a legit shot at Top 10 RB numbers going forward. Thoughts....?

I have him in one league and after this week, he will probably be starting over Best/Forte until the others show some life or they have a great matchup (Forte has at least been OK in good matchups). Not having him in my lineup this week wasn't a big deal, but after the Best no-show, I looked up Moreno's schedule and I like the schedule. The next two weeks may be tougher, but the last four look real nice after this week, especially since Moreno is used in the passing game. Early on, I didn't think I would have a chance to get Moreno into my lineup, now he looks (and I hope he is) like a saving grace, especially come playoff time.

 

[FarEastKilla]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

 

[basher]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

If it was easy to adjust as you say it would have happened long ago. Teams in college never "adjusted" and teams in the pros have not "adjusted". It ain't gonna happen. I hate this rationale thinking teams can adjust, what does that even mean, it's code for nonsense.

 

[kncks12]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

If it was easy to adjust as you say it would have happened long ago. Teams in college never "adjusted" and teams in the pros have not "adjusted". It ain't gonna happen. I hate this rationale thinking teams can adjust, what does that even mean, it's code for nonsense.

It means that they are NFL teams....they will make it a point to put a scheme in to combat Tebow's option or wildcat look. These are highly paid NFL minds and teams will learn how to stop it. Like the Wildcate (tis is a little more tricky because of real pass threat) it will be stopped. Team aren't even doing the wildcat anymore because it has proven to not be so successful

 

[RamMan]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

If it was easy to adjust as you say it would have happened long ago. Teams in college never "adjusted" and teams in the pros have not "adjusted". It ain't gonna happen. I hate this rationale thinking teams can adjust, what does that even mean, it's code for nonsense.

Owning both Orton and Moreno, it drives me crazy when #15 runs onto the field inside the 5 yrd line. But I have to agree that its a fact of life and is not going to go away anytime soon. However, I believe the overall explosiveness of the DEN offense (which has given rise to 2010 fantasy studs Orton and Lloyd) and McDaniel's penchent for keeping the foot on the pedal (the starting offense was on the field and still throwing it in the last minute of a 20 pt game yesterday) still gives Moreno an excellent chance to shine going forward. He may not get a TD every game, but should get a minimum of 20 carries and 5 touches in the pass game. That should equate to over 100 combined yards per game with a TD sprinkled in her and there. I'll take that from my RB#2.

 

[basher]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

If it was easy to adjust as you say it would have happened long ago. Teams in college never "adjusted" and teams in the pros have not "adjusted". It ain't gonna happen. I hate this rationale thinking teams can adjust, what does that even mean, it's code for nonsense.

so what you are saying is college players/coaches are equivalent to NFL types? Also, I am not saying it will completely dissolve Tebow as a goal line vulture but teams will adjust and make it much more difficult then these past couple.

 

[rocketsauce]

He's looking very good for yardage, and for PPR leagues, but I wouldn't count on many touchdowns, unless he can run them in from a ways away. Tebow is gonna be in there inside the 5, and when he is, Moreno isn't even on the field, since Tebow is set up deep behind center.

 

[RamMan]

He's looking very good for yardage, and for PPR leagues, but I wouldn't count on many touchdowns, unless he can run them in from a ways away. Tebow is gonna be in there inside the 5, and when he is, Moreno isn't even on the field, since Tebow is set up deep behind center.

Yup, the only RB on the field yesterday when Tebow was in was the FB Larson (who caught Tebow's TD pass on the 2nd drive inside the 5). Moreno and/or Orton had 2 TD's vultured yesterday and at least one I can recall from the game in London. As I said, there will definately be some continued vulturing going forward - but I think the offense will continue to keep enough drives alive and create scoring oppty's from outside the 5 to keep Knowshon an excellent RB#2 (especially in PPR). And if by chance defenses figure out how to bottle up the Tebow GL set, all the mo' better.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

If it was easy to adjust as you say it would have happened long ago. Teams in college never "adjusted" and teams in the pros have not "adjusted". It ain't gonna happen. I hate this rationale thinking teams can adjust, what does that even mean, it's code for nonsense.

so what you are saying is college players/coaches are equivalent to NFL types? Also, I am not saying it will completely dissolve Tebow as a goal line vulture but teams will adjust and make it much more difficult then these past couple.

It happens all the time in the pro game. You think teams didn't try and adjust to stop Jerry rice from beating them, stop Jerome bettis at the goalline, contain elway on the last drive of games, don't let Hines ward convert the 3rd down, not allow Chris Johnson the big gain. Then on offense I'm sure coaches told them not to let Reggie white get a sack, allow LT to dictate the offense, don't let Deion take away your top wr. Point is that some players do certain things well. For example mike Williams of the hawks isn't in the class of my above examples but I'm pretty sure defenses are told to "adjust" and not allow him to keep drives going by constantly converting on 3rd down, but it just doesn't happen. I've seen Andre Johnson win on the last play of a game while triple covered, guess the d could "adjust". Adjust is bullcrap in many scenarios and sounds so easy.

 

[cmv5]

I almost traded for him this week, than realized the parasite Tebow vultures TDs at the goal line, this week he stole 2! That's the only draw back I see, but a huge one.

teams will adjust to the Tebow goalline look.

If it was easy to adjust as you say it would have happened long ago. Teams in college never "adjusted" and teams in the pros have not "adjusted". It ain't gonna happen. I hate this rationale thinking teams can adjust, what does that even mean, it's code for nonsense.

so what you are saying is college players/coaches are equivalent to NFL types? Also, I am not saying it will completely dissolve Tebow as a goal line vulture but teams will adjust and make it much more difficult then these past couple.

It happens all the time in the pro game. You think teams didn't try and adjust to stop Jerry rice from beating them, stop Jerome bettis at the goalline, contain elway on the last drive of games, don't let Hines ward convert the 3rd down, not allow Chris Johnson the big gain. Then on offense I'm sure coaches told them not to let Reggie white get a sack, allow LT to dictate the offense, don't let Deion take away your top wr. Point is that some players do certain things well. For example mike Williams of the hawks isn't in the class of my above examples but I'm pretty sure defenses are told to "adjust" and not allow him to keep drives going by constantly converting on 3rd down, but it just doesn't happen. I've seen Andre Johnson win on the last play of a game while triple covered, guess the d could "adjust". Adjust is bullcrap in many scenarios and sounds so easy.

Then what happened to the wildcat?

 

[noneother]

Starting to think from here out he's a better start than Tomlinson.

 

[Shutout]

You would think that eventually the Tebow gimmicky stuff will fizzle out. The Wildcat was all the rage for a season or so but teams have pretty much figured out ways to be it unless the opponents have a very specific set of dual threats on the field (and not many teams can do that). It also is a good way to get your QB crushed. Sooner or later, either the threat of injury or the ability of the defense to find ways to defend it well will end the cutsiness of this one. Also, the Broncos haven't really ran it a hundred times so it hasnt been seen a lot but I am sure that after having it work twice yesterday, all of Denver's opponents will have plans in place on how to stop it or at least deter the Broncos from using it much.

On the other side of that conversation, the Broncos HAVE shown a tendency to strike from 15-40 yards out on a lot of their scores so for Moreno, at least he does have a way to score from out there and isnt as dependent on the goal line stuff (like a Michael turner would be).

All in all, it seems like there is finally some balance, the o-line is a bit better, and Moreno is healthy so, long term, I think this looks good for him. he will eventually get those 2-3 yard scores. He just needs some consistency and put it together for a few weeks in a row so his team (and fantasy owners) can start rolling with him with a bit more confidence.