Thoughts on Tom Brady...can he still be elite? (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

Thought it was common knowledge that he shifted down to average as of last season. Guess some people are a little slow to catch on,

seriously? Cmon man. Brady was great for the 2nd half of last season.

Since the start of last season:

-Brady has thrown for less than 200 yards in 6 of 18 regular season games.

-Brady has thrown 1 or 0 TDs in 10 of 18 regular season games.

Brady should obviously still be rostered, but he is not really a consistent fantasy guy anymore. If you are starting him every week, you had better be stacked everywhere else.

 

[ldizzle]

Thought it was common knowledge that he shifted down to average as of last season. Guess some people are a little slow to catch on,

seriously? Cmon man. Brady was great for the 2nd half of last season.

Cherry picking

gronk

 

[ponchsox]

He looks very average out there. He's declined rapidly. Can't use the lack if weapons as an excuse.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This isn't a fantasy-relevant stat, but right now he is averaging 5.1 YPA against Oakland. Oakland!! Ouch.

 

[Jerry Curl]

He is safe to cut in all leagues.

 

[The General]

He misses passes badly. Noticed it last year and it has gotten worse this year.

 

[Willie Neslon]

They run that same 6 yard out over and over. Brady looks bad but this play calling is lousy too. The receivers are small and and the corners are sitting on those routs. Brady throws low and outside every time.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

done

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Thought it was common knowledge that he shifted down to average as of last season. Guess some people are a little slow to catch on,

seriously? Cmon man. Brady was great for the 2nd half of last season.

Cherry picking

gronk

Looks like that great 2nd half carried over into this season

 

[NYRAGE]

He misses passes badly. Noticed it last year and it has gotten worse this year.

and these are passes under ten yards

 

[Leonidas]

He is safe to cut in all leagues.

I'm seriously considering this.

I not-intelligently took him as my only QB in multiple leagues, which I am regretting.

I think it might be time to consider him "droppable" if you have even a middling guy to put out there every week in his place.

 

[Keith1]

He should have had a second TD late, but I too am a disgusted Brady owner. He looks lousy and, equally as important, the play-calling has not been favorable. Meanwhile I had the chance to grab Cousins off waivers last week, but took Donald Brown instead. Grrrr.... Can't imagine waiving Brady, but who is going to be out there that can put up better numbers ? Bortles ? Bridgewater ?

Oh the pain, the pain.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No

 

[cstu]

NAME POS YRs CMP ATT PYD Y/A FD PTD INT FANT PT

Tom Brady qb 2013--2014 462 765 5134 6.7111 267 29 13 361.1000

Alex Smith qb 2013--2014 391 636 4208 6.6164 223 30 11 378.1000

 

[The General]

More fumbles than TD passes this season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

During those three seasons Cutler has missed time. Cant stay healthy

During many of those seasons the Bears ran a conservative offense and had top defense. Rhetoric

The Bears have a new offensive philosophy and a quarterback friendly head coach. Rhetoric

The Bears threw for 4,300 yards and 32 TDs last season. McCown could be better than Cutler, he played like it.

Cutler now has two stud WRs to throw to - and a few other nice weapons in Bennett, Holmes and Forte. Point?

Cutler is 31, Brady is 37. Whats that have to do with redraft? Cutler still sucks, dont see him getting better because people overvalue a #2 WR when they had a better QB like McCown throwing to him a bunch.

Things change - some adjust, some get left behind.

You start a topic, ask for opinions but only seem to want the ones that agree with yours.

You are right, some do get left behind, especially those who doubt players like Tom Brady for players like Jay Cutler. Bolded my thoughts to your attempted points.

Also, I did start a topic on a discussion board which means it will be discussed and by discussing that means some may not agree. It does not mean I want everyone to agree with me, I can care less if you or they do. You brought up Cutler in a Brady thread, not me.

But in a discussion on a football site, if someone so ridiculously compares a sub par QB after 9 years to that of a HoF QB who was elite till just last year, thats not an opinion thats irrational thinking.

Reggie Wayne is a future Hall of Famer as well. Am I not allowed to say that I think Cordarrelle Patterson will have a better season than Reggie Wayne - even though he's never reached 1,000 yards receiving? Cordarelle being better than Wayne is rational, he is a 2nd year WR with a huge upside under Norvs offense and will be a focal point while Wayne is coming off a major injury with a bunch of targets to compete and is not the focal point. Reach much?

If Brady has another down season and it's then looks like a trend, can I think Cutler outperforms him in 2015? Why would anyone think Cutler is good now after 8 years of mediocrity?

I mentioned Cutler because my point was that I would rather let some one else grab Brady while I wait a few more rounds to grab a QB and he was one of the examples I brought up. I understand and I basically said why would you pass on an elite talent for a guy who is not close to elite. You made your reasoning I made mine.

And just to sum up your "bolded thoughts";

- You think when a QB gets hurt in the past, it means he will get hurt in the future. Is Welker more likely to get a concussion then someone who hasnt?

- You disagree that the Bears offense under Marc Trestman is different than the Bears offense under Lovie Smith. I never said that, just said its rhetoric so its nothing certain.

- You don't think adding another talented weapon to an offense helps a quarterback improve his statistics. I never said that, I just asked the point of it? Elite position players dont mean an elite QB.

- You think Josh McCown is a better QB than Jay Cutler. Yes, I do. Which is ironic because you think Cutler is better than Brady. Wasnt the city of Chicago wanting McCown to stay QB even when Cutler was healthy?

Duly noted.

Still think McCown is better than Cutler?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

ross tucker claims brady's an elite beer chugger

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/97767202/tom-bradys-will-to-win-chugging-ross-tucker

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

dude apparently gets better as he gets older

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Don't quite get the recent stunning improvement. He couldn't have looked much worse in the first 4 games, culminating in a hopeless display in the KC game. Suddenly out of nowhere, does well against a supposedly tough Bengals DEF then absolutely shreds Buffalo who are tough at home. What has changed? Weapons are the same, except Gronk might be a little healthier. Running game aint anything to write about. Is the Oline just suddenly gelling and playing well and giving him more time to throw?

 

[justinl]

Don't quite get the recent stunning improvement. He couldn't have looked much worse in the first 4 games, culminating in a hopeless display in the KC game. Suddenly out of nowhere, does well against a supposedly tough Bengals DEF then absolutely shreds Buffalo who are tough at home. What has changed? Weapons are the same, except Gronk might be a little healthier. Running game aint anything to write about. Is the Oline just suddenly gelling and playing well and giving him more time to throw?

If we're talking about yesterday, Brandon LaFell looked phenomenal. I wrote the guy off as DOA b/c in the first 2 or 3 games he looked like garbage, didn't finish the route, dropped balls, etc. But yesterday he was getting downfield, he was making plays, getting open.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Don't quite get the recent stunning improvement. He couldn't have looked much worse in the first 4 games, culminating in a hopeless display in the KC game. Suddenly out of nowhere, does well against a supposedly tough Bengals DEF then absolutely shreds Buffalo who are tough at home. What has changed? Weapons are the same, except Gronk might be a little healthier. Running game aint anything to write about. Is the Oline just suddenly gelling and playing well and giving him more time to throw?

If we're talking about yesterday, Brandon LaFell looked phenomenal. I wrote the guy off as DOA b/c in the first 2 or 3 games he looked like garbage, didn't finish the route, dropped balls, etc. But yesterday he was getting downfield, he was making plays, getting open.

I saw the TD highlights and thought Buffalo looked like they forgot about Lafell on the first TD and left him wide open. Since I didn't see the game, was curious if it's a trend in the oline playing well and Brady picking up or just two defenses in a row who didn't perform and he's the same guy with a better statline?

 

[Ghost Rider]

dude apparently gets better as he gets older

Yep.

Up to 11th in QBR for the season now, just below Jay Cutler.

Up to 24th in QB fantasy points per game, just below Ryan Tannehill and Alex Smith.

Up to 23rd in YPA, just below Blake Bortles and Mike Glennon.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

dude apparently gets better as he gets older

Yep.

Up to 11th in QBR for the season now, just below Jay Cutler.

Up to 24th in QB fantasy points per game, just below Ryan Tannehill and Alex Smith.

Up to 23rd in YPA, just below Blake Bortles and Mike Glennon.

yeah, but those bad games earlier in the year were when he was younger.

this is the oldest he's ever been.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

dude apparently gets better as he gets older

Yep.

Up to 11th in QBR for the season now, just below Jay Cutler.

Up to 24th in QB fantasy points per game, just below Ryan Tannehill and Alex Smith.

Up to 23rd in YPA, just below Blake Bortles and Mike Glennon.

yeah, but those bad games earlier in the year were when he was younger.

this is the oldest he's ever been.

Luckily for the Jets only 4 days will pass before his next game.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

 

[mquinnjr]