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Three ways to ruin a good dynasty team (1 Viewer)

The "Win Now" philosophy has its draw backs. To win a league you not only have to have a strong team but some luck as well. If you have a team that is built to win this year or the next and you dont win it then your window has closed and you either have to rebuild or quit the league. From my experience the Win Now guys usually just quit after failing to win in the first year. I would bet you own Tiki in your dynasty league, hope you win it now cuz your window is closing fast.
I do own him, I am winning, and the window is closing fast. So what's the point?
The point is next year you will have (I would think) a pretty big hole in your starting lineup due to Tiki leaving. I hope you win it all this year to ease your pain. Those points will be hard to make up with whoever you promote into that starting lineup.
 
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The "Win Now" philosophy has its draw backs. To win a league you not only have to have a strong team but some luck as well. If you have a team that is built to win this year or the next and you dont win it then your window has closed and you either have to rebuild or quit the league. From my experience the Win Now guys usually just quit after failing to win in the first year. I would bet you own Tiki in your dynasty league, hope you win it now cuz your window is closing fast.
I do own him, I am winning, and the window is closing fast. So what's the point?
The point is next year you will have (I would think) a pretty big hole in your starting lineup due to Tiki leaving. I hope you win it all this year to ease your pain. Those points will be hard to make up with whoever you promote into that starting lineup.
The league that nightshift owns Tiki you only have to start 1RB, 1WR, 1QB, 1TE, and 3 Flex (wr,rb,te), and it's a PPR league. Besides, he also has Larry Johnson and Willie Parker. It's not like he's starving for RBs. Having said that, his only WRs of note are Roy Williams and Santana Moss, so losing Tiki will have an impact on his overall starting lineup.
 
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The "Win Now" philosophy has its draw backs. To win a league you not only have to have a strong team but some luck as well. If you have a team that is built to win this year or the next and you dont win it then your window has closed and you either have to rebuild or quit the league. From my experience the Win Now guys usually just quit after failing to win in the first year. I would bet you own Tiki in your dynasty league, hope you win it now cuz your window is closing fast.
I do own him, I am winning, and the window is closing fast. So what's the point?
The point is next year you will have (I would think) a pretty big hole in your starting lineup due to Tiki leaving. I hope you win it all this year to ease your pain. Those points will be hard to make up with whoever you promote into that starting lineup.
I would imagine losing Tiki would have a huge impact. I take it Santana and Roy are his WR's. Santana has been anything but reliable and now a "mystery" player will be added to make up that final flex spot. GL Nightshift. Hope you win it all this year.
 
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There are 3 camps in general when it comes to building dynasty teams and the focus of how to manage your roster. Win now, rebuild and balanced.

I think of myself as balanced because Im paitient with my draft picks and I am always looking to upgrade my depth as well as my starting lineup. I traded a 1st round pick for Tiki Barber to help push my team to a championship this year. Same team drafted Lawrence Maroney and DeAngelo Williams with picks aquired through trades. So I wouldn't say I am a win now owner at the expense of developing future prospects and being paitient with them. I will ushualy trade away players before they reach the point of losing value because of age. For example Warrick Dunn. I do think most of the time the way I manage my team in a balanced way based off value may hold me back slightly from that little extra needed to win championships.

A win now owner is ushualy only really concerned primarily with this year and to a lesser degree the following year. This philosophy will value players very close to redraft value. Or in otherwords what that players value is worth now. This team will have less paitence with long term prospects. If the player isn't producing now then that player isn't worth much. That doesen't mean that this team is necessarily a collection of old declining players. This is a team that doesen't value draft picks or younger players that are in backup roles or in bad situations as much as they value players who are productive now. That doesen't mean this team wont still seek high value for a rookie pick or young player they have that isn't useful to them right now in a trade. Just means that this is not as high a priority as players that are producing now.

Strengths - This managment style is simpler and easier to understand. A win now team doesen't have as much risk from speculating how players will perform long term. Better able to aquire and keep elite players because of less concern about depth.

Weakness - This management style is less likely to get great rookie players from draft picks or young players from buy low trades. More suceptable to injury/bust because of less emphasis on developing depth.

I was going to try to write about a rebuilding style team but I realised Im pretty inexperienced with this. What I see with teams like this is that they are weak and they give up thier best players for depth but ushualy do not get enough in return when they do so. Especialy considering they are taking on risk with speculative players for proven players. It is hard to get somthing when you don't have much that other owners want. Your just sucking then. A rebuilding team needs to be more active with thier free agents than other teams are. A lot of the time from what I have seen they aren't. The rich keep getting richer and the weak teams continue to struggle. I have seen teams repeatedly be in the top 3 in the rookie draft and keep drafting Rbs but still not have winning teams. I think rebuilding teams need to secure thier Qb and some Wrs that can last several years 1st before they start drafting Rbs to support them.

 
I love the posts, Bia. One thing I think is underrated in dynasty leagues is the upgrade of draft picks (non-1st round) and upgrade of depth. Most fantasy owners look to make the blockbuster trade to upgrade their core starters.

My point is that if I can upgrade my depth by looking for undervalued players, I will. You never know when you will need that depth. The key is if you can identify a player like Booker, Kitna, Betts, etc that you think will produce (for various reasons) for your fantasy team before they break out, or get an opportunity. If so, you get the starter at a very low cost. I think this is the most difficult thing to do in most dynasty leagues with strong owners.

For example, the McNabb owners that traded for Kitna or McNair on the cheap still have a chance. The ones who only have/had Brad Johnson as a backup are toast.

 
The "Win Now" philosophy has its draw backs. To win a league you not only have to have a strong team but some luck as well. If you have a team that is built to win this year or the next and you dont win it then your window has closed and you either have to rebuild or quit the league. From my experience the Win Now guys usually just quit after failing to win in the first year. I would bet you own Tiki in your dynasty league, hope you win it now cuz your window is closing fast.
I do own him, I am winning, and the window is closing fast. So what's the point?
The point is next year you will have (I would think) a pretty big hole in your starting lineup due to Tiki leaving. I hope you win it all this year to ease your pain. Those points will be hard to make up with whoever you promote into that starting lineup.
I would imagine losing Tiki would have a huge impact. I take it Santana and Roy are his WR's. Santana has been anything but reliable and now a "mystery" player will be added to make up that final flex spot. GL Nightshift. Hope you win it all this year.
Of course it will. With LJ, FWP, & Tiki I have an awesome RB corp. In the wings, I stashed Greg Jones, Ray Perkins, PJ Pope, and I will add others in the hopes that one of them can become a decent flex RB. In addition to Roy & Santana (btw, I think Campbell & healthy hammy will do wonders for Moss' 2007 numbers), Moulds, R. Smith, R. Caldwell, P. Crayton, & S. Hurd.

I hope I win it all this year too. But tell me, you don't? Is there any season that you go into sayin' "Nah, I don't want the title?" If I do win it, isn't one title more than my competitors?

BTW, this league we're talkin' about is a money league. So I look at seasons from a profit/loss standpoint. As long as I am ahead in earnings, it is a good season.
 
I love the posts, Bia. One thing I think is underrated in dynasty leagues is the upgrade of draft picks (non-1st round) and upgrade of depth. Most fantasy owners look to make the blockbuster trade to upgrade their core starters. My point is that if I can upgrade my depth by looking for undervalued players, I will. You never know when you will need that depth. The key is if you can identify a player like Booker, Kitna, Betts, etc that you think will produce (for various reasons) for your fantasy team before they break out, or get an opportunity. If so, you get the starter at a very low cost. I think this is the most difficult thing to do in most dynasty leagues with strong owners. For example, the McNabb owners that traded for Kitna or McNair on the cheap still have a chance. The ones who only have/had Brad Johnson as a backup are toast.
With that in mind, there are also some good finds AFTER the rookie draft. Of course, you have to know what you're looking for! :pics:
 
Nightshift

If you dont win the title this year I'm betting you'll have a hard time making the playoffs next year. Keep me posted on this guys.

 
If he doesnt win it all this year I think next year will be his last before he bails on the league. I know his type.

 
Nightshift

If you dont win the title this year I'm betting you'll have a hard time making the playoffs next year. Keep me posted on this guys.
You can check it out for yourself.http://football33.myfantasyleague.com/2006/home/35412
By the looks of things it looks like he has his hands full in his division, those other 2 teams are pretty strong and are built for the long haul. Its lookin bleak for our hero"on the nightshift" -Commodores

 
If he doesnt win it all this year I think next year will be his last before he bails on the league. I know his type.
I'm starting to figure out your "type" as well.*cough cough stalker cough*
 
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NightshiftIf you dont win the title this year I'm betting you'll have a hard time making the playoffs next year. Keep me posted on this guys.
Tags,People were making that bet this year. With real money. Like they will next year and I will be doin' the same. Any different in the leagues you play in? doubtful or at least I hope not.So what would you do? Dump Tiki and a real shot at a title for what? Since every dynasty player (with the exception of a few) OVERVALUES youth, what do you think anyone would have traded for Tiki's services? Whatever you answer, measure it this way - is that trade worth a real shot at a title?You make your call. I'd made mine.ns
 
NightshiftIf you dont win the title this year I'm betting you'll have a hard time making the playoffs next year. Keep me posted on this guys.
Tags,People were making that bet this year. With real money. Like they will next year and I will be doin' the same. Any different in the leagues you play in? doubtful or at least I hope not.So what would you do? Dump Tiki and a real shot at a title for what? Since every dynasty player (with the exception of a few) OVERVALUES youth, what do you think anyone would have traded for Tiki's services? Whatever you answer, measure it this way - is that trade worth a real shot at a title?You make your call. I'd made mine.ns
I've never owned Tiki in a dynasty league so I only know what I would give up for him, it certainly wouldnt be much. Good Luck this year tho.And the name is "Tag", its singular.
 
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Im not knocking on your team Nightshift, It looks solid and you have as good as chance as any to win the title by looking at the rosters. I just like your chances Allot better this year than next year if you know what i mean.

 
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Im not knocking on your team Steel, It looks solid and you have as good as chance as any to win the title by looking at the rosters. I just like your chances Allot better this year than next year if you know what i mean.
Really? You know what next year will bring? TAG's WAG. We all got them, but no one knows which ones are right.You don't know me, so don't pretend you do.
 
Im not knocking on your team Steel, It looks solid and you have as good as chance as any to win the title by looking at the rosters. I just like your chances Allot better this year than next year if you know what i mean.
Really? You know what next year will bring? TAG's WAG. We all got them, but no one knows which ones are right.You don't know me, so don't pretend you do.
Good Luck Nightshift :banned:
 
In hope to possibly shift this discussion more towards somthing objective and useful to all dynasty owners..

I like the win now philosophy and honestly I have been trying to focus more on incorperating into my strategy.

I traded my 1st round pick for Tiki Barber at the trade deadline. The Barber owner is not a playoff contender this year. He was shoping Barber for the best offer he could get. To me giving my 1st round pick was worth it for a push at a championship this year. I also did not want one of my competitors who are not as deep at the Rb position as me to get him. So part of my reasoning is a blocking manuever against them.

I am not even planning on Barber playing beyond this year. But what if he does? And I still might be able to trade Barber off after the playoffs to an owner willing to take that risk. Who knows?

Another move I made is I traded my 2nd round pick for Jason Taylor an elite IDP who is aging.

I only have 2 late 3rd round picks in the upcoming rookie draft.

I want to win now and I have cashed in valuable assets that are not helping me towards that end to do it.

I have seen win now owners in dynasty leagues who have bailed on thier teams after the season. I do like the idea of having incentives to keep owners from abandoning teams. Such as paying league fees a year in advance.

 
The "Win Now" philosophy has its draw backs. To win a league you not only have to have a strong team but some luck as well. If you have a team that is built to win this year or the next and you dont win it then your window has closed and you either have to rebuild or quit the league. From my experience the Win Now guys usually just quit after failing to win in the first year. I would bet you own Tiki in your dynasty league, hope you win it now cuz your window is closing fast.
I do own him, I am winning, and the window is closing fast. So what's the point?
The point is next year you will have (I would think) a pretty big hole in your starting lineup due to Tiki leaving. I hope you win it all this year to ease your pain. Those points will be hard to make up with whoever you promote into that starting lineup.
:lol: I love this stuff. ;)I also own Tiki in my main league, so you would automatically think I'm screwed next year, right? A couple years ago, I had Favre, Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, TO, Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, Keyshawn and Keenan McCardell. So you'd assume I'd be losing big now, right?You'd be wrong on both. You can rebuild / retool, you just have to know what you're doing. FWIW, I don't own any of those players now.A few other teams have used similar approaches to mine (although not as drastic), while others went young from the start. You just might be surprised to hear that those who went young have quit at a higher rate than those who went with experience.
 
The "Win Now" philosophy has its draw backs. To win a league you not only have to have a strong team but some luck as well. If you have a team that is built to win this year or the next and you dont win it then your window has closed and you either have to rebuild or quit the league. From my experience the Win Now guys usually just quit after failing to win in the first year. I would bet you own Tiki in your dynasty league, hope you win it now cuz your window is closing fast.
I do own him, I am winning, and the window is closing fast. So what's the point?
The point is next year you will have (I would think) a pretty big hole in your starting lineup due to Tiki leaving. I hope you win it all this year to ease your pain. Those points will be hard to make up with whoever you promote into that starting lineup.
:lol: I love this stuff. ;)I also own Tiki in my main league, so you would automatically think I'm screwed next year, right? A couple years ago, I had Favre, Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, TO, Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, Keyshawn and Keenan McCardell. So you'd assume I'd be losing big now, right?You'd be wrong on both. You can rebuild / retool, you just have to know what you're doing. FWIW, I don't own any of those players now.A few other teams have used similar approaches to mine (although not as drastic), while others went young from the start. You just might be surprised to hear that those who went young have quit at a higher rate than those who went with experience.
Winning will play a big part in who stays & who leaves....
 
I think that over-valueing draft picks could be added to the list. Trading proven and/or emerging talent for draft picks can destroy a team. Its one thing to do it when you're trying to get something for a guy on the downside of his career like Fred Taylor or Tiki, but its another when you're talking about the 27 - 28 year olds who have already had success in the league and are entering the prime of their career. Draft picks are great, but they don't get you any points if inserted into your lineup.

Having younger players is important, but you can keep the fountain of youth on your side by exploiting the fact that other players in your league : 1) are addicted to trading; 2) give up on guys too early; and 3) are in love with draft picks. You just have to identify who those players are to some degree or another.

 
There's some great discussion here.

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, so I apologize if this has been mentioned...

I suggest trading for the rookie pick immediately after the sure-fire picks, as long as you do it before the NFL draft. For example, last spring everyone was in agreement that picks 1-4 were going to be great with Bush, DWilliams, Maroney, and White. Pick 1.05 was considered awful since the talent dropoff was so great. You could have gotten a lot to trade down from 1.04 to 1.05 at that point, and you could have moved up from 1.09 to 1.05 pretty inexpensively.

Then the draft came, and as always, some second-level RB landed in a good position (Addai) and made 1.05 look just as good as 1.04.

It seems to happen every season...

06: Addai to Indy

05: Arrington to Arizona (yeah, he flopped, but his value was high at 1.04)

04: JJones to Dallas (and TBell to Denver)

 
There's some great discussion here.

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, so I apologize if this has been mentioned...

I suggest trading for the rookie pick immediately after the sure-fire picks, as long as you do it before the NFL draft. For example, last spring everyone was in agreement that picks 1-4 were going to be great with Bush, DWilliams, Maroney, and White. Pick 1.05 was considered awful since the talent dropoff was so great. You could have gotten a lot to trade down from 1.04 to 1.05 at that point, and you could have moved up from 1.09 to 1.05 pretty inexpensively.

Then the draft came, and as always, some second-level RB landed in a good position (Addai) and made 1.05 look just as good as 1.04.

It seems to happen every season...

06: Addai to Indy

05: Arrington to Arizona (yeah, he flopped, but his value was high at 1.04)

04: JJones to Dallas (and TBell to Denver)
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Nightshift

If you dont win the title this year I'm betting you'll have a hard time making the playoffs next year. Keep me posted on this guys.
You can check it out for yourself.http://football33.myfantasyleague.com/2006/home/35412
Tough loss today Nightshift. Nobody wants an easy road, Im sure you didnt want that #1 seed anyway. You'll get more satisfaction this way when you win it all. Think of it as a character builder. Good Luck :banned:
 
since there is a lot of Tiki talk in this thread, would you feel comfortable with Jacobs as the heir apparent going into next year?

Jacobs has played well in short yardage, but can he handle the full load.

If the answers to the above are YES!, which rookie pick would you give for Jacobs?

 
since there is a lot of Tiki talk in this thread, would you feel comfortable with Jacobs as the heir apparent going into next year?Jacobs has played well in short yardage, but can he handle the full load. If the answers to the above are YES!, which rookie pick would you give for Jacobs?
I think so, and gave a first round pick for him. It'll be a pick number 7-12.
 
Nightshift

If you dont win the title this year I'm betting you'll have a hard time making the playoffs next year. Keep me posted on this guys.
You can check it out for yourself.http://football33.myfantasyleague.com/2006/home/35412
Tough loss today Nightshift. Nobody wants an easy road, Im sure you didnt want that #1 seed anyway. You'll get more satisfaction this way when you win it all. Think of it as a character builder. Good Luck :banned:
restraining order down?
 
since there is a lot of Tiki talk in this thread, would you feel comfortable with Jacobs as the heir apparent going into next year?Jacobs has played well in short yardage, but can he handle the full load. If the answers to the above are YES!, which rookie pick would you give for Jacobs?
I am not sure about Jacobs. It is certainly possible and Jacobs is definitly hurting Barbers value this year taking all the short yardage TDs from him. When I was pusuing Barber the same owner also had Jacobs. I was trying initialy to get him to give me both Rbs in a package. He was willing to trade Barber but not Jacobs. So I would say at least he thinks Jacobs will take over as the feature back when Tiki retires.I think he could also but most larger Rbs that do have success in the NFL have shorter careers. What has impressed me about Jacobs is he seems to be good as a reciver as well. So that opens up the possibility that he wont be spelled in 3rd down situations by a COP Rb. A rb that doesen't share significant time with a COP Rb is becoming a rare thing right now.ETA- The discussion of Tiki Barber/Jacobs and draft picks is a way to show tangible examples of difference in philosopy between Win now and rebuilding teams.To an owner who wants to win now Barber is a proven valuable asset even though the writing is clearly on the wall that he will not have a long career from this point and his value is diminished in the short term by losing TD opportunities to Jacobs.To an owner looking toward the future Brandon Jacobs is more valuable than Barber is because of his potential to become a feature Rb in the very near future. Still he is not a player who is proven as being able to be a feature Rb at this level and there is no garuntee that he will be given the opportunity when Tiki Barber leaves.Taking these things into consideration I have a question. Lets say we know that Barber will play for the Giants in 2007. We also have the facts of how Barber and Jacobs have been used in 2006. You have one draft pick that you can use to take Barber or Jacobs (no one else) for the year 2007. Which one would you take and why?
 
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