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Tier 1/Elite QBs in the NFL today (2 Viewers)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Why is Romo an option and not Rivers? I think most would agree that Rivers, Roethlisberger and Eli are 5-7 (regardless of order).
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Stafford down????
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Stafford is top 10 now, for sure, but he has only done it one season. I'd say he needs to do it again before he is in the same tier as Eli, Roethlisberger and Rivers, IMO. I mean, are we already calling Victor Cruz a top 5 NFL WR because of this year alone? Don't get me wrong, what is happening currently is extremely important, but very recent history has to be taken into account as well.Stafford down????
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Not FF, but real NFL. In the real NFL Stafford has had 1 great season and a bunch of injuries. Eli has won a Super Bowl and been pretty successful in the playoffs. Rivers has put up good numbers and crumbled in the playoffs for years. Stafford/Cam Newton are in the same book for me, they need to prove themselves for a few more years. If Stafford can make it to the NFC Championship game next year, that would really help his case.Stafford down????
Oh please. One of 4 men in history to throw for 5,000 yards. I would guess every GM in the league would take Stafford over Rivers. The majority would take Stafford over most the others on the list.Stafford is top 10 now, for sure, but he has only done it one season. I'd say he needs to do it again before he is in the same tier as Eli, Roethlisberger and Rivers, IMO. I mean, are we already calling Victor Cruz a top 5 NFL WR because of this year alone? Don't get me wrong, what is happening currently is extremely important, but very recent history has to be taken into account as well.Stafford down????
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Eli vs. Peyton (All rankings are among current QBs)
2 Pro Bowls vs 11 Pro Bowls and 5 All Pros
60-43 re4gular season record (.583) vs. 141-67 (.678)
QB Rating: 21 vs. 5
Passing Yds/Gm: 10 vs. 2
YPA: 14 vs 6
AYPA: 17 vs. 3
Comp %: 29 vs. 3
INT %: 26 vs 16
TD %: 9 vs. 4
The ONLY thing Eli would have over Peyton would be 2 rings vs. 1 should the Giants go on to win the SB this year.
2 Pro Bowls vs 11 Pro Bowls and 5 All Pros
60-43 re4gular season record (.583) vs. 141-67 (.678)
QB Rating: 21 vs. 5
Passing Yds/Gm: 10 vs. 2
YPA: 14 vs 6
AYPA: 17 vs. 3
Comp %: 29 vs. 3
INT %: 26 vs 16
TD %: 9 vs. 4
The ONLY thing Eli would have over Peyton would be 2 rings vs. 1 should the Giants go on to win the SB this year.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is pure speculation; you have no way of knowing that. I'll say it again: Stafford needs to do it again first. One great season doesn't put you in the top tier for your position at any position in the NFL. Again, are you calling Victor Cruz a top 5 NFL WR?Oh please. One of 4 men in history to throw for 5,000 yards. I would guess every GM in the league would take Stafford over Rivers. The majority would take Stafford over most the others on the list.Stafford is top 10 now, for sure, but he has only done it one season. I'd say he needs to do it again before he is in the same tier as Eli, Roethlisberger and Rivers, IMO. I mean, are we already calling Victor Cruz a top 5 NFL WR because of this year alone? Don't get me wrong, what is happening currently is extremely important, but very recent history has to be taken into account as well.Stafford down????
Rivers or Big Ben. Eli looking solid right behind.
Stafford? Idiot homer call. Guy put up a season of video game stats chucking it up to the most uncoverable WR in the game, mostly because he was forced to since they had less than zero run game. 20 QB's could have put up Stafford's #'s on that team this year. And the lions would trade him for Rivers straight up in a nanosecond.
Stafford? Idiot homer call. Guy put up a season of video game stats chucking it up to the most uncoverable WR in the game, mostly because he was forced to since they had less than zero run game. 20 QB's could have put up Stafford's #'s on that team this year. And the lions would trade him for Rivers straight up in a nanosecond.
ZWK
Footballguy
This season there was a three man tier at the top, and then a second tier with Romo/Eli/Stafford/Schaub/Roethlisberger and maybe a couple others (Rivers, Ryan, Newton). A year ago it looked like a five man tier at the top with Peyton and Rivers in the mix along with Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, and Roethlisberger heading up the 2nd tier at #6.
Going forward, I wouldn't put anyone else in the same tier as the top 3, and I'd put either Peyton or Rivers in #4 at the top of the 2nd tier (depending on Peyton's health), with several others close behind. Rivers had a down year, but if you average over the past 2 (or 3 or 4) seasons, he's still clearly ahead of the pack. Eli had a great year this season, but it wasn't as good as what Rivers did last year. And Rivers had a down year, but it wasn't as bad as what Eli did last year.
Going forward, I wouldn't put anyone else in the same tier as the top 3, and I'd put either Peyton or Rivers in #4 at the top of the 2nd tier (depending on Peyton's health), with several others close behind. Rivers had a down year, but if you average over the past 2 (or 3 or 4) seasons, he's still clearly ahead of the pack. Eli had a great year this season, but it wasn't as good as what Rivers did last year. And Rivers had a down year, but it wasn't as bad as what Eli did last year.
only bc hes 5-8 yrs younger. i mean, the majority of gms would take newton no2 after rodgers but that doesnt mean newton is better than the rest.
No competent GM would take Newton among the top 10 QB's in the game, much less #2. Fantasy football is not real football. Cam has extremely limited upside as a franchise QB.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Peyton
Eli
Ben
Stafford
Romo
Rivers
Cam
Vick
Ryan
Schaub
A Smith
Cutler
Palmer
Freeman
Flacco
Dalton
Rodgers
Brees
Peyton
Eli
Ben
Stafford
Romo
Rivers
Cam
Vick
Ryan
Schaub
A Smith
Cutler
Palmer
Freeman
Flacco
Dalton
David Yudkin
Footballguy
This poses an interesting question. All the QBs that have one a SB are in tiers one or two. Is that a coincidence? Does winning a ring trump everything else?
DoubleG
Footballguy
This wasn't the question. No where did I ask "If you were the GM..." or "You are starting a franchise..." - just rank them...today (hence the word "today" in the thread title)
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Just for the record, I never said Eli=Peyton. In fact I think Peyton is arguably one of the top QB of all time. My question simply is does Eli belong (or is he close to belonging) in tier 1 along with the others. Obviously the GOAT, if he happens to be playing currently, would be in tier 1...and his numbers would far outshine the others in tier 1.Obviously, the related part of the question is does Eli belong over some of the others on the list.No, I don't believe Stafford belongs one the list (one good season - no matter how good - does not = "Elite/Tier 1"). Rivers may have been an oversight...considering adding him (but many have voted, so likely not).Honestly suprised Vick hasn't received any votes - but that goes back to Stafford (i.e. one season <> elite)
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sports_fan
Footballguy
Coming off one of the best games of his career, Eli will get a lot of extra votes here but I'm still going with Roethlisberger. Big Ben has the higher TD%, lower INT%, higher Y/A (8.0 to 7.0), QB rating (92.1 to 82.1) and better playoff record. Stafford doesn't have enough time under his belt for me to strongly consider him. He'll most likely be there one day though.
UTLonghorn31
Footballguy
RodgersBradyBreesPeyton *(if healthy)BenRiversEliStaffordDaltonTebowCamSchaubRomoRyanCutlerA SmithPalmerFreemanVickThere is one particular trend that I can be confident with most of these rankings. I am shooting by memory since I don't have the study in front of me, but I know a specific trend that tells me Cam, Dalton, and Tebow are likely franchise QBs while QBs like Flacco and Bradford are not.
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DoubleG
Footballguy
I probably should have included Rivers. Honestly, I don't think he would get more votes than Ben, Romo, Eli or Vick though - so the point is probably moot.ok bruh
bostonfred
Footballguy
Tier two includes manning, brees and rodgers. Nobody else
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Stafford or Cam
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I don't know how you can leave Cam and Stafford out of tier 1. They were top tier this year and will only get better. This was the first full season for both and with no camp. Ben does not belong in this conversation at all. He has never shown anything to indicate that he will put up elite numbers.
I also think you'll all be disappointed in Peyton. Indy's offense is no longer elite and their top two receivers are free agents. If he goes elsewhere it won't be to an elite passing offense either. And all that is even assuming he is healthy for what? Two years max? Yes he was tier 1. No he is not tier 1 now.
Eli is top of tier 2 IMO
I also think you'll all be disappointed in Peyton. Indy's offense is no longer elite and their top two receivers are free agents. If he goes elsewhere it won't be to an elite passing offense either. And all that is even assuming he is healthy for what? Two years max? Yes he was tier 1. No he is not tier 1 now.
Eli is top of tier 2 IMO
I don't think winning a ring trumps everything else. I just think it makes people biased toward it. You know what they say, QB's take get too much of the credit, and too much of the blame. But no way do I put Big Ben in the top 6 right now. I think both Stafford and Rivers go above him. Also think Cutler is too low on this list. And is Ryan really 5 spots better than Flacco?
AmosMoses
Footballguy
I'd take Tebow over Stafford.Oh please. One of 4 men in history to throw for 5,000 yards. I would guess every GM in the league would take Stafford over Rivers. The majority would take Stafford over most the others on the list.Stafford is top 10 now, for sure, but he has only done it one season. I'd say he needs to do it again before he is in the same tier as Eli, Roethlisberger and Rivers, IMO. I mean, are we already calling Victor Cruz a top 5 NFL WR because of this year alone? Don't get me wrong, what is happening currently is extremely important, but very recent history has to be taken into account as well.Stafford down????
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Another thing on Peyton vs Stafford- you are saying to downgrade Stafford for only doing this one year, which was entirely due to injury. There is no reason, other than injury, to think he won't throw for 4500-5000 yards and 30+ TDs.
Peyton, on the other hand, has a worse and more recent injury, and is a decade older, and you think he has a better chance to put up those numbers in his aging offense?
This makes no sense at all.
Peyton, on the other hand, has a worse and more recent injury, and is a decade older, and you think he has a better chance to put up those numbers in his aging offense?
This makes no sense at all.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
This thread is garbage. Tebow over Stafford or Cam? Come on man.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Your top 4 are wrong.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The poll says "today" - not what they did in the past.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Welcome to the ignore list
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
You're preaching to the choir.I like Tebow but he's not better than Cam or Stafford. He's top 15 but not top 10.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Also Tebow went 1-4 at the end of the season, the same way Ortin started, so while I like him I don't think "he wins games" is appropriate anymore.
Fensalk
Footballguy
I would easily take Stafford over Eli and Ben. I'd easily take Rivers over Romo, Eli, and Ben. I'd easily take Cam Newton over Rivers, Romo, Eli, and Ben.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Ask this question this time last year and Big Ben wins going away (and Rivers probably gets 2nd most votes).
Ask it again next year and I bet it looks much different than any vote cast in the last two seasons.
Ask it again next year and I bet it looks much different than any vote cast in the last two seasons.
DoubleG
Footballguy
STOP giving away the ending!!!!
Jason Wood
Zoo York
STOP giving away the ending!!!!
footballnerd
Footballguy
As long as Stafford has Megatron you gotta have him in this list. It's only his first year doing this well, but 3rd year is the breakout year, and how many QBs throw for 5000/41 in their 3rd year in the league...well we know the answer to that, none. Not to mention he's shown this year several times he has the ability to muster up comeback wins.
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Not when he faces Stafford. Fact.
Banger
Footballguy
so did Vince Young.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Tebow would be in my bottom 5
This year, we saw many great QB FF performances.
Here's my top list for 2011:
Tier 1 = Brees
Tier 2 = Rogers & Brady
Tier 3 = Stafford
Tier 4 = Eli and Newton
Tier 5 Ryan, Romo and Rivers
Newton was obviously the surprise of the year. Stafford was outstanding as he stayed healthy.
Ryan, Romo and Rivers were good not great. They each had their issues but overall performed well.
This is in terms of fantasy football production, not NFL QB standards.
Here's my top list for 2011:
Tier 1 = Brees
Tier 2 = Rogers & Brady
Tier 3 = Stafford
Tier 4 = Eli and Newton
Tier 5 Ryan, Romo and Rivers
Newton was obviously the surprise of the year. Stafford was outstanding as he stayed healthy.
Ryan, Romo and Rivers were good not great. They each had their issues but overall performed well.
This is in terms of fantasy football production, not NFL QB standards.
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AmosMoses
Footballguy
Playoff wins:Tebow- 1Stafford- may as well be negative a trillion because it'll never happen
DoubleG
Footballguy
Because the poll would be much less interesting if "All of the Above" was an option - at least for the indecisive.
