Punxsutawney Phil
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I guess I'm on another social media platform. I now see what all the fuss is about. Should really help me cut back on my YouTube time.
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
fun place to see some fun ladies doing some fun things.I guess I'm on another social media platform. I now see what all the fuss is about. Should really help me cut back on my YouTube time.
wish we could post some.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’ll take a PMfun place to see some fun ladies doing some fun things.
wish we could post some.
That one guy
Footballguy
It’s just new Vine, right?
Otis
Footballguy
My almost 9 year old downloaded this when an annoying bad influence friend was over. Whatever she was doing on it was harmless enough, but, over objections and fighting and crying, I deleted it. In part because she's posting videos of herself online and chatting with people (supposedly her classmates, but still), and moreso because of the following: Mrs. O apparently set it so it's "closed" and strangers can't see or comment on her stuff, and O kid made some comment about "why don't I get any comments or likes on my videos?" You can see how totally screwed up social media can make kids, even starting before their teens.
So yeah, that was a quick hard delete for me.
So yeah, that was a quick hard delete for me.
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otb_lifer
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Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
This is scary, and it's like your fighting a losing battle. Everywhere you turn there are people promoting "influencers" and how great they are. Understandably, kids want to be like whomever is popular. So basically, you have become the only thing stopping them from becoming tiktok famous. Then when they aren't famous by 15, they are going to be blaming you for not videotaping them opening toys at a young age. That's when they start planning to hard delete you!
Otis
Footballguy
bigbottom
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Definitely a bad idea for your kids to use this unsupervised. The whole phone thing in general is really getting out of control with the current crop of high schoolers. A significant portion of them can’t go 1 minute without looking at it. It’s a huge headache as a teacher.
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Capella
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Patrick Bateman
Footballguy
The kids have too much control now. That's why teachers are leaving the profession in droves.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I've seen varying policies but the issue I know many teachers have is that if the teachers take the kids phones and one is damaged or comes up missing (or the kid claims it has gone missing which I've seen) then the teacher is responsible for it. Most teachers aren't interested in being financially responsible for $1000 phones. $300 air pods, $500 apple watches, Nintedo DS, etc. It's a fight to get the kids to take their air pods out ("the volume is low so I can still hear", "I only have one in", etc). Plus I've seen some kids who will just flat out refuse to turn it in, they lie about not having it, etc. Also it can be a mixed bad on how much support the teacher gets from the parents. I have seen some teachers who are just done with fighting it at the high school level and just let the kids use them however they want. Some kids will just sit through math class playing video games or watching movies through the whole class. They aren't good teachers but I also understand how fighting it day after day becomes not worth it. You let the parents know it is an issue and if the parents keep sending the kid to school with it, then so be it.
It's very much turned into a service industry where the customer is always right. The wealthier the school district, the worse problem. Where I work, we've basically stopped arguing with parents and just let them have almost whatever they want.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Also, funniest part is that the mostly likely people the kids are texting with are their parents. Parents will text with their kids all day long. Sometimes, a kid gets scolded in class about something and 2 minutes later, the parent is calling the class or sending an email asking the teacher yelled at their kid.
rockaction
Footballguy
This needs to be taken back. My brother doesn't deal with this in his classrooms, largely because the kids aren't as wealthy, one assumes.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Some teachers are better than others at dealing with it. I don't have my own classroom now- I am more in a role of supporting teachers and students. It adds a lot of extra work to the job, that is for sure. No kid wants to hear a 10 minute explanation of the causes of the Great Depression or a brief video on the formation of the periodic table or anything like that. It's too boring and they are used to having any song, video, game, etc. at their fingertips their whole lives. Who cares about Whitman when you can take selfies?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
How is it enforced? My former school did that by taking phones and the parents having to come pick them up. After awhile administration was so sick of being yelled at about it, they gave up enforcing the rule. I am sure where I work at now is going to try something next year. Not sure what though.My kids school has no phones all day long.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I remember that you don't have your own. There's major trouble coming then with respect to history and basic cultural learning shared experience.
Capella
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
My daughter is 14 and dances while eating and in the back seat if a car.
Were out and her and her friend go to the bathroom. I jokingly say. Did you guys go make a tik tok?
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Yea
Were out and her and her friend go to the bathroom. I jokingly say. Did you guys go make a tik tok?
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Yea
Capella
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
and to be fair, my experience is with more at-risk students. I am not working with high achieving or even average students. These are kids who are low level classes due to some combination of academic, behavioral or social problems. However, I hear teachers across the board making many of the same complaints.
That’s crazy. I never text my kids at school. My 7th grader never brings his phone anyway since he always takes the bus home. My 9th grader mainly texts us to get picked up if he doesn’t have a ride. He will also text if he doesn’t feel well or if he gets a good grade (not our best student). I couldn’t imagine texting him unless it’s a pickup for an appointment/early dismissal.
I definitely think my kids use their phones too much but it’s damn near impossible to keep up on social life without one. That said they are at least big into sports and outside a lot. My 9th grader is actually working out with friends at a another neighborhood gyms right now. He’s clear from his football knee surgery and has really gotten into great shape so hard to complain about phone use when they stay active. We do vacation with 3 other families every summer at the beach and one of my 12 year old’s buddies is on his iPad way too much while most of the boys are at the beach and I know it drives his dad nuts. Being inside all the time on it would worry me way more.
rockaction
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Jeez. That's awful. It's an instant gratification/social media world gone haywire. My brother also sort of has kids that don't do social media; the stepchild that did had problems with it.
culdeus
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If they show up with a phone on them during the school day they get sent home with the phone.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It is weird. Like if there is a fight in the hallway between 4th and 5th hour, every kid school knows by the middle of 5th hour and by the end of 5th hour, every kid in the school has watched the videos.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Good that the school can make that work. Parents don't complain about "what if their an emergency?" or "my kid needs to communicate with me after school for transportation?" Also, I am surprised whatever State you live in is cool with that. Most places I know the schools are heavily pressured to reduce suspensions. If you send a kid home, that is a suspension. Schools really aren't supposed to be suspending unless the student is a danger. Where I worked before, we would take phones and make parents come get them. Lots of parents lost their #### about having to leave work early to get the phone or that their kid needed their phone for work that evening, etc.
culdeus
Footballguy
It's a private school and they have a system to deal with things that come up in the day that is quite robust.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh, well yeah private school. In the end they can just kick anyone out that doesn't want to play by the rules.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I used to help with our church’s youth group and was driving a car full of mostly girls to an event one time. The entire drive they were discussing Instagram. How many followers each of them had, how many likes their most liked photo had, which poses and types of posts get the most likes, etc. It was fascinating yet made me sick to my stomach because it was clear that social media likes were 100% a social currency. They fawned over the ones that had the most followers and likes and pitied themselves I’d they didn’t. The whole popularity thing was already bad enough growing up, social media has taken it and made it way more public and way more intense. It’s heartbreaking.
Oh, and most of them had an account that their parents knew about where they would post benign stuff, and another account where one can only imagine what’s going on there.
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Punxsutawney Phil
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I can't believe kids sit through math class playing video games. Then again, I think we all did that on the TI-83's the games were just terrible.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh yeah we tried but in the end the bowling game was so boring that learning about systems of equations was actually able to get my attention. Different story if I could have played Madden and Goldeneye.
DallasDMac
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DJackson10
Footballguy
I find it crazy when a 4th grader has the latest iPhone A simple flip phone at that age is good enough. Call for ride home or hey going to friends house is all that is needed at that age.I got my first phone at 8th grade but wasn't allowed to have it at school
DJackson10
Footballguy
It amazes me how difficult this is. Can't the school districts just have a no Phone policy in class or you get sent to detention or something or get a failing grade that day in class? Or hell schools make cases that the kids use in each class their own key and lock put it in there during class they can take them the minute class is over. I know I know money is an issue but there has to be easier fixes. And honestly if I'm a principle and I have a teacher say X Student is being disruptive to my teachers class with the phone I'm bringing the parents in. If the parents don't want to help and it continues to be an issue just tell them their kid isn't welcomed at the school anymore. Parents today have caved way too much to their kids
DJackson10
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DJackson10
Footballguy
My Cousin works at Lower Merion (Kobe's old High School) with at risk students. Most social issues like autistic and other things. They have similar problems with kids and phones. It's hard because if you do anything then you get a parent yelling and even threatening to lawyer up on the entire district so they just let the kids run wild on their devices.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
1. Yes schools could policies about detention or other consequences. The tough part is that then enforcing that with 1600 kids is a major task and may anger a large amount of parents and students. It becomes a major source of conflict between staff and students.
2. I am guessing our school tries something like a lockbox approach and parents signing some kind of waiver saying if their kid brings a phone to school, it's at their own risk. After that, we still have the air pods and apple watches to deal with it, but it's an improvement.
3. The reason is does get overlooked a lot is that the disruption is generally only to themselves. It's not disrupting other kids and it's a justification the kids often give for why they should have the freedom to use the phone how they want. My counterpoint is research shows, the phone is like yawning. If you see someone check theirs, you automatically start thinking about checking yours. So it is a distraction. Administrators are usually really busy and so something like a kid on a phone is typically going to be rather low on their priority list. Plus, you can't just tell a kid he isn't welcome in his local public school.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Jeez I was just starting MS when flip phones got popular (SR YR of HS was the first iPhone) and most of the time we still didn't know what happened between block 1 and block 3 if there was a fight unless we had people talking about it. It took until Noon at lunch when I was in 8th grade for me to find out about the 9/11 attacks. If that happened today and I was in school I'd have known instantly. And when that happened the teachers who had TVs in class were told not to turn the TVs on. Hard to see that kind of thing being enforced now. However that day those who had TVs basically said screw it this is important and turned the TVs on. My Social Studies teacher made a lesson out of the day of it off the top of his head.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Exactly- it's appeasement from the school district. If the parent keeps sending the kid to school with a phone after we've clearly told them it is having a significant negative impact on their grades, then that is their parent decision. We aren't going to battle them over it anymore.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah I get all of that. Just amazes me but then again must higher up administrators could care less about the students or staff as long as the schools are making the district money and making them look good
Ilov80s
Footballguy
School districts don't make money, it's not a for profit set-up. Public schools are a democratic institution. People of the district vote for the board, the board hires the administrators who run the schools for them. At any point the school board of elected officials could dictate how they want phone policies handled. If the parents don't like the direction the school is going, they can elect different board members. We as teachers and administrators are just providing the people of the district the school of their choosing. It's a very good school and district. We perform well above State averages, graduation rates are high, it is safe, there are an incredible amount of extracurricular activities, clubs, sports, new facilities, etc.
As a generation of parents/adults, we also do a terrible job teaching kids how to use their phones productively. They are great tools that have so many helpful uses but it seems like at home they are just given the phones and allowed to run free with it. Then at school we spend all day yelling to put them away. There has to be some better balance to be established.
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DJackson10
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Yep either way you get an angry parent but at least you can say "Hey we warned you this would happen so we aren't at fault. You didn't want to help solve the issue with us."
It's also an issue at my job working in a grocery store. I have 4 new cashiers the other night almost all of them on their phones. My one manager was mad. My one manager who runs the Front desk at night if they ask to use the rest room they have to hand their phone to her before going and get it back when they return or else we might not see certain people for like 20 minutes. I use my phone a lot but it's because of what Jobs I do I need it. I need to text a beer vendor or a wine rep something my boss forgot, tell my boss hey an issue happened tonight just letting you know for tomorrow, hey so and so can you come in early, etc etc. Then I got to text my bosses Supervisor sometimes as she isn't always there. My boss if I'm doing something and she's on vacation I can text her if I'm not sure about doing something ordering a certain product or display placement. When people start they are told this in training you can't have your phones out. So and so can as they work a department they need it out. If they see you with your phone its a sent home. 2nd time is termination. Our Union agreed to this and will not defend you on it unless you feel you are getting singled out and can prove they are lying you didn't have your phone out.You may have it for family emergencies. When my mom had breast cancer I had to get special certification at the time (Wasn't working in the department I do now) to have it out. It was if anyone questioned or came in big shot wise I could show them I allowed it for an emergency.
Work places might be easier to solve the kids and phone issues then at school as we have more leeway and most of the time parents really do not give a dam. My one friend her brother worked at my store and got fired. My friends mom told me her son quit. She was shocked when I told her no he was fired for his phone being out and said you had a medical emergency. She was more shocked that her son lied and used her as an excuse when she didn't have an issue then with us as she worked there prior as well. Also told her there was a separate incident I won't get into as I don't know all the details but she could gladly go to the ASD and ask her since she took care of the issue.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Parents are lazy. I'm lucky to have a greatgraduatingf class where a lot of my class are parents. They run their households not the kids. At most I would say oldest are 10 on avg besides a few who had kids while in school so a little older. However a lot of my friends discipline their children. again I work retail so I see the out of control kids and the parent who lets them. I had one parent in my department who let her kids run all over my wine isle. My boss and I calmly politely told the kids to not be running in the department and the parents lost their #### with us. My store director came over and politely told them if their kids break anything they the parents are responsible for paying for what broke. If they don't like the rules they are happy to shop else where. Just amazes me how parents let their kids run wild. I know if I ever had kids the minute they started acted up they would wish they behaved. I get discipline can be tough. When I was younger I threw temper tantrums when my parents sent me to my room they had to take all the stuff that could break out. I would throw stuff against the door and everything. Wasn't until after I got to college I was finally diagnosed with Aspergers. My mom reading up on stuff realized they just didn't discipline me the proper way for someone with autism should be. So I get made some parents have issues like that with kids. However there are clearly parents who just let their kids run wild.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
I wonder if we will start seeing a hunched over generation. Looking down at your phone all day is terrible for you, and I'd imagine worse for young people still growing.
I have heard of comedy shows having lockable pouches or something to put a phone in. Joe Rogan often discusses this, and he does it at his shows. It prevents people from recording the shows, but more importantly it makes people pay attention. I'd imagine it gets annoying when you are trying to entertain and people are using their device, or taking pictures. This lockable pouch system seems like a great idea for schools.
Back to tiktok, Kevin Hart is pretty funny on there. His schtick is to always say "I'm doing a tiktok". I wonder if they are paying him?
I have heard of comedy shows having lockable pouches or something to put a phone in. Joe Rogan often discusses this, and he does it at his shows. It prevents people from recording the shows, but more importantly it makes people pay attention. I'd imagine it gets annoying when you are trying to entertain and people are using their device, or taking pictures. This lockable pouch system seems like a great idea for schools.
Back to tiktok, Kevin Hart is pretty funny on there. His schtick is to always say "I'm doing a tiktok". I wonder if they are paying him?
It would be. That’s how they keep in touch. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if you don’t have a phone, you’re not going to have a lot of friends because you lose contact. If my boys weren’t outgoing and active, it’d bother me more but they get good grades and play sports. It’s not much different when I was a kid and on the phone a lot or doing something with my friends. It’s just a lot easier to stay in touch with a lot of people.
Also, don’t take that as I ignore their usage, don’t tell them frequently to get off and don’t take them away at times, but all kids use their phones. If they don’t get good grades the phone goes away. That said, phone use is here to stay. It’s just the way it is.
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