Autumn Wind
Footballguy
If Tebow comes to New York, I may have to quit my job just so I can spend all day listening to local sports talk radio. 
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Tim T To JAX or JETS (1 Viewer)
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Almost precisely what I thought when I first read all this. Smith's a baboon. After getting the team out from under Wayne Weaver, getting it out from under Gene Smith should be priority #1 for Khan.Of course....he could just, you know, fire him. No reason to burn a 3rd rounder on a player that, basically, blows just to get rid of a guy whose employment is controlled by your very whim.
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Reaper
Footballguy
Competition for Sanchez?The Hourglass is almost out of sand... The Clock has almost struck 12...I don't get this "Competition" ####!!!!!!!!How much more competition does a man need than knowing that his entire career is ticking away and he's 2 years away from being a Color Comentator. There is no competition greater than that.At this point, you let Sanchez try to be an NFL QB with a full offseason and supporting cast for a year maybe 2 and then cut ties... No Gimmick offense is going to help you figure out if you have an NFL QB or not....Tebow would give Sanchez less clout in the locker room and give cause for fans and NY Media to continue the charade for Tebow every time Sanchez has a mistep....Eli was allowed to throw like 5 INTS against Minny the year he won his 1st SB....NY Media and Giant fans were Completely Done with Eli!! And With Tebow in the wings Eli probably never becomes the QB he is today. That's not competition, that's Gimmick Football that stifles the growth rate of your QB if you have any faith at all in him becoming something....I'm hoping the Talk of the Jets interest at all is part of the NY Media #### ##### #####... Because otherwise just cut Sanchez now! and that has nothing to do with Sanchez's feelings or manhood - it has to do with the NY Jets and how you develop and stand behind a real NFL Quarterback.Jets need playmakers and the guy makes plays....if Sanchez gets offended with Tebow on the roster as a WC QB...tough. Man up and raise your game....I wouldnt mind a little competition for Sanchez that isnt a retread like Stanton.I agree that I'd prefer for the Jets not to bring him aboard. I was just stating the reasoning isn't solely based on a lack of faith in Sanchez.Tebow doesn't want to be Brad Smtih 2.0, he wants to be a starting QB and last year did nothing to make him think he can't. This would be a HUGE mistake for the Jets. HUGE. A regime and Sanchez career ruining mistake. I can't stress enough how much I do not want this to happen.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I wonder if the Jets aren't colluding with Denver to raise the asking price for JAX, then get a thank-you sweetheart trade later for the consideration.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Respectfully disagree - Tebow shredded the Jets last year with the game on the line - he is a playmaker. The Jets have no playmakers. For a 4th rder its a no brainer. Sanchez has not earned the right to have 2 seasons without looking over his shoulder IMO. If he's a true franchise QB this should not bother him...this kind of mindset is continuinbg the coddling of Sanchez. Brad Smith WC was also a gimmick and it won them some big games in the 2010 run...Competition for Sanchez?The Hourglass is almost out of sand... The Clock has almost struck 12...I don't get this "Competition" ####!!!!!!!!How much more competition does a man need than knowing that his entire career is ticking away and he's 2 years away from being a Color Comentator. There is no competition greater than that.At this point, you let Sanchez try to be an NFL QB with a full offseason and supporting cast for a year maybe 2 and then cut ties... No Gimmick offense is going to help you figure out if you have an NFL QB or not....Tebow would give Sanchez less clout in the locker room and give cause for fans and NY Media to continue the charade for Tebow every time Sanchez has a mistep....Eli was allowed to throw like 5 INTS against Minny the year he won his 1st SB....NY Media and Giant fans were Completely Done with Eli!! And With Tebow in the wings Eli probably never becomes the QB he is today. That's not competition, that's Gimmick Football that stifles the growth rate of your QB if you have any faith at all in him becoming something....I'm hoping the Talk of the Jets interest at all is part of the NY Media #### ##### #####... Because otherwise just cut Sanchez now! and that has nothing to do with Sanchez's feelings or manhood - it has to do with the NY Jets and how you develop and stand behind a real NFL Quarterback.Jets need playmakers and the guy makes plays....if Sanchez gets offended with Tebow on the roster as a WC QB...tough. Man up and raise your game....I wouldnt mind a little competition for Sanchez that isnt a retread like Stanton.I agree that I'd prefer for the Jets not to bring him aboard. I was just stating the reasoning isn't solely based on a lack of faith in Sanchez.Tebow doesn't want to be Brad Smtih 2.0, he wants to be a starting QB and last year did nothing to make him think he can't. This would be a HUGE mistake for the Jets. HUGE. A regime and Sanchez career ruining mistake. I can't stress enough how much I do not want this to happen.
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smackdaddies
Footballguy
What team would want Tebow?
Forget skill, locker room presence or anything else
Do you really want the circus? Do you really want the fans clamoring for him to play?
I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities no one is willing to trade and Tebow is out of the NFL
Forget skill, locker room presence or anything else
Do you really want the circus? Do you really want the fans clamoring for him to play?
I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities no one is willing to trade and Tebow is out of the NFL
biju
Footballguy
I was wondering if the Jets are in the mix to ensure if the Dolphins are actually considering bidding they will bid higher, meaning this is a misdirection play only. Then again, I'm probably giving the Jets far too much credit for ingenuity.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
If I felt Tebow gave my team a chance to win more games and offered more upside than my team's current qb I would love to have him. Circus or not, wins are wins.
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Autumn Wind
Footballguy
If there's one franchise that's clearly averse to stirring a media frenzy, it's the New York Jets.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
If Gabbert fails to improve markedly this year, as the majority of people are predicting, then I can realistically see the following happen:
Gene Smith is fired for failing to build a winning team during his 4 year reign as GM.
Gabbert's replacement is drafted. In this scenario, this would probably be a high draft pick.
I can see Smith being fired, but I don't necessarily see the latter part that happening with Tebow here. I could see them cutting Gabbert and going with Tebow for a couple of years, thus setting them back again in their pursuit of their elusive franchise QB. I really don't want Tim Tebow here.
Gene Smith is fired for failing to build a winning team during his 4 year reign as GM.
Gabbert's replacement is drafted. In this scenario, this would probably be a high draft pick.
I can see Smith being fired, but I don't necessarily see the latter part that happening with Tebow here. I could see them cutting Gabbert and going with Tebow for a couple of years, thus setting them back again in their pursuit of their elusive franchise QB. I really don't want Tim Tebow here.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
More local reaction to the the Jaguars possibly trading for Tebow.
Trading For Tebow Would Be The Worst Move In Franchise History
And for the Jags, that is saying something.
Trading For Tebow Would Be The Worst Move In Franchise History
And for the Jags, that is saying something.
The first paragraph...
So this is an article written by someone that dislikes Tebow and wanted nothing to do with him when he was drafted let alone now. Not that anything about Tebow is unbiased, but this is pretty clearly biased and I would say that coming from the perspective of the first paragraph makes the title of "Works Move in Franchise History" not so meaningful.If this guy were singing his praises out of college, and complimenting the guy as he helped the team go 7-4 last year with him as the starter and was now saying that it would be the worst move, I would pay attention. As it is, this is not better than if a Tebow lover came out and said why it would be the best move in Franchise History (and I would bet we could find something of that nature if we looked for it).
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
It is, but to any franchise outside of FL, he is just Tebow...so, there is less pressure (even in a city like NY) to play the guy consistently than in a city like Jax or Miami.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
It's not irrational hate, it's completely rational. It's nothing against the guy personally, as by all accounts he's nothing short of an outstanding human being and quite possibly one of the nicest/best people in the entire league. However, if a team's goal is trying to win a Superbowl, all that is essentially irrelevant.What I think is irrational is saying something like "he's got the heart of a winner." That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned, it's just cliched mumbo jumbo used by people to support their opinion on a player for whom they don't have any logical argument to use. One can say "he's just a winner", but if you're leading your offense to score 17 points a game, I can promise you that over any non-small sample size that he won't be a "winner" for much longer. QBs main objectives is to score points, not to win games. And Tebow sucks at scoring points. So does Gabbert seemingly though; that's what makes this an interesting debate.Some few of us will root for Tebow all the louder just knowing that so many folks have such an irrational hate of him!
Seriously...he's got the heart of a winner, and the work ethic to continue to improve. As raw as he was coming in, it's crazy to think he can't become a very good (maybe even elite some day) QB in the NFL. No clue that he will...cards are still stacked against him...but he CAN.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Don't the Jags have a hard time selling tickets/merchandise? Just saying from their owners outlook...
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
There are rare instances when an owner will step in/over the GM to make a business decision. Jacksonville's owner has to step up and make this move for Tebow. This is a franchise that has struggled to put butts in the seats. Whether or not Tebow is in anbody's Super Bowl plans, you can't ignore the ticket base and the ROI that Tebow brings. From the moment they get him, the local cash flow would more than offset any of Henne's guaranteed salary. This is a no brainer business deal for JAX. In NY, he'd be a sideshow and media circus. In JAX, he'd be a local cash cow, and franchise savior.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Yep.When does a QB know that he is not NFL material? When The Tebow takes his gig. Gabbert will be that QB.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
So have a lot of franchises recently. The Jaguars have actually done pretty with tickets sales, out selling their in state rivals in Miami and Tampa. They had some blackouts in 2009, but to hear the some people talk about it you would think the Jaguars were having blackouts constantly.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Ummm...you lost me.They don't give Super Bowl rings to the teams that score the most points - they give them to the teams that win the last game. Part of what Tebow does is what he doesn't do.It's not irrational hate, it's completely rational. It's nothing against the guy personally, as by all accounts he's nothing short of an outstanding human being and quite possibly one of the nicest/best people in the entire league. However, if a team's goal is trying to win a Superbowl, all that is essentially irrelevant.What I think is irrational is saying something like "he's got the heart of a winner." That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned, it's just cliched mumbo jumbo used by people to support their opinion on a player for whom they don't have any logical argument to use. One can say "he's just a winner", but if you're leading your offense to score 17 points a game, I can promise you that over any non-small sample size that he won't be a "winner" for much longer. QBs main objectives is to score points, not to win games. And Tebow sucks at scoring points. So does Gabbert seemingly though; that's what makes this an interesting debate.Some few of us will root for Tebow all the louder just knowing that so many folks have such an irrational hate of him!
Seriously...he's got the heart of a winner, and the work ethic to continue to improve. As raw as he was coming in, it's crazy to think he can't become a very good (maybe even elite some day) QB in the NFL. No clue that he will...cards are still stacked against him...but he CAN.
As an example, he is top 10 in QBs INT% (please note: this is a percentage - for the mathmatically challenged that means that it accounts for the fact that he throws fewer passes). Guys that are behind him in that category (i.e. threw a higher % if INTS) include Stafford, Eli, Big Ben, Dalton - and of course guys like Gabbert, Tarvaris, Matt Moore and many others. The point? NOT throwing INTs help's your team win games.
Scoring points doesn't guarantee anything. In fact 3 out of the top 10 teams in points scored didn't even make the playoffs last season. The Giants, who won it all, did indeed crack the top 10 - they were 9th in points scored. Do you really think Eli would rather give up his ring to say he had put up more points??? Do you think any Giants players/fans/execs would?
Me either.
Winning matters. To coaches, teams, players and fans. If your players help you win, they are valuable - even if they are not "text book" and even if how they help you win is not obvious on a stat sheet. Incidentally, Tebow's contributions are apparent, if you look at the right numnbers - INT% was one example. The Broncos also lead the NFL in rushing yards per game - obviously Tebow had something to do with that stat. There are a lot of ways to win - running the ball and not throwing picks is one...and one that Tebow happens to be pretty good at.
Sorry, but saying winning is not a main objective of QBs, is simply wrong. That is not only A main objective of QBs it is THE main objective - and the one that many of them are measured by. Points don't determine who goes to the playoffs, who is seeded where and ultimately who gets a ring - winning does. Anything a player does that contributes to that end is ultimately how they are and should be judged.
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FavreCo
Footballguy
When does a QB know he sucks? When the franchise thinks Blaine Gabbert is a better option.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Wait, wait, wait.Let me get this straight...you are using the Jacksonville Jaguars player evaluation abilities as a basis for your argument???
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FavreCo
Footballguy
You may have something there......upon further review, Tebow still sucks. Jax got something right for once.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Nope. See? The fact that Packers (who are pretty good at QB talent eval) were interested and the Jags did NOT pull the trigger, proves that Tebow MUST be good. Becuase we all know whatever the Jags did was wrong.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I think you misunderstood my point if you felt the need to state that "Winning matters". Winning is the ultimate goal for each football team, so of course it matters. However, a QB's main objective is not to win each game, as they don't have enough control over a game to ensure that. The main fault I have with those who say "[insert QB] is a winner", is that more often than not it completely overlooks the impact of a team's defense on the game (and to a lesser extent perhaps the impact of Special Teams). A better measure of QB performance is Total Offensive Points Scored while that QB was playing. While that of course gives QBs unfair credit for accomplishments of his team's RB, I find it to be a much better measure than Wins which gives QB unfair credit for the accomplishments of his team's defensive and special teams performance. Last season, the Broncos offense averaged 17.07 points per game when Tebow started, which is good for 27th in the league. You can give him extra credit for leading scoring drives late in games, but when you look at the broad picture (i.e. the entirety of the 13 games he started), Tebow's ability to lead his offense to score points was poor at best, and arguably terrible.'DoubleG said:Ummm...you lost me.They don't give Super Bowl rings to the teams that score the most points - they give them to the teams that win the last game. Part of what Tebow does is what he doesn't do.'Time Kibitzer said:It's not irrational hate, it's completely rational. It's nothing against the guy personally, as by all accounts he's nothing short of an outstanding human being and quite possibly one of the nicest/best people in the entire league. However, if a team's goal is trying to win a Superbowl, all that is essentially irrelevant.What I think is irrational is saying something like "he's got the heart of a winner." That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned, it's just cliched mumbo jumbo used by people to support their opinion on a player for whom they don't have any logical argument to use. One can say "he's just a winner", but if you're leading your offense to score 17 points a game, I can promise you that over any non-small sample size that he won't be a "winner" for much longer. QBs main objectives is to score points, not to win games. And Tebow sucks at scoring points. So does Gabbert seemingly though; that's what makes this an interesting debate.Some few of us will root for Tebow all the louder just knowing that so many folks have such an irrational hate of him!
Seriously...he's got the heart of a winner, and the work ethic to continue to improve. As raw as he was coming in, it's crazy to think he can't become a very good (maybe even elite some day) QB in the NFL. No clue that he will...cards are still stacked against him...but he CAN.
As an example, he is top 10 in QBs INT% (please note: this is a percentage - for the mathmatically challenged that means that it accounts for the fact that he throws fewer passes). Guys that are behind him in that category (i.e. threw a higher % if INTS) include Stafford, Eli, Big Ben, Dalton - and of course guys like Gabbert, Tarvaris, Matt Moore and many others. The point? NOT throwing INTs help's your team win games.
Scoring points doesn't guarantee anything. In fact 3 out of the top 10 teams in points scored didn't even make the playoffs last season. The Giants, who won it all, did indeed crack the top 10 - they were 9th in points scored. Do you really think Eli would rather give up his ring to say he had put up more points??? Do you think any Giants players/fans/execs would?
Me either.
Winning matters. To coaches, teams, players and fans. If your players help you win, they are valuable - even if they are not "text book" and even if how they help you win is not obvious on a stat sheet. Incidentally, Tebow's contributions are apparent, if you look at the right numnbers - INT% was one example. The Broncos also lead the NFL in rushing yards per game - obviously Tebow had something to do with that stat. There are a lot of ways to win - running the ball and not throwing picks is one...and one that Tebow happens to be pretty good at.
Sorry, but saying winning is not a main objective of QBs, is simply wrong. That is not only A main objective of QBs it is THE main objective - and the one that many of them are measured by. Points don't determine who goes to the playoffs, who is seeded where and ultimately who gets a ring - winning does. Anything a player does that contributes to that end is ultimately how they are and should be judged.
You are right however to say that Tebow's QB INT% is definitely a plus that's not accounted for in the Total Offensive Points Scored measure, but Tebow also had 7 fumbles which is pretty high above average considering his few attempts/rushes, although he was fortunate enough to only lose 2 of them.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Jaguars vs. Jets in race to acquire Tim Tebow
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Tim Tebow trade is expected to "come down to" either the Jaguars or the Jets.
The Rams are out of the mix. Tebow remains property of the Broncos at this moment, but that should change soon. Due to the holdup caused by language in Tebow's contract, the Jets are in danger of losing out on a trade they went so far as to announce on their club website's Twitter page. The Jaguars are apparently willing to pay the $5 million kick-back option required to acquire Tebow.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Tim Tebow trade is expected to "come down to" either the Jaguars or the Jets.
The Rams are out of the mix. Tebow remains property of the Broncos at this moment, but that should change soon. Due to the holdup caused by language in Tebow's contract, the Jets are in danger of losing out on a trade they went so far as to announce on their club website's Twitter page. The Jaguars are apparently willing to pay the $5 million kick-back option required to acquire Tebow.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Starting to sound like Jacksonville is the destination.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Looks like it's done deal. For now.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
false alarm - fake account... twitter is very useful for breaking news but have to have a trusted source! lol...
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
I don't get how that works. Same exact name micheallombardi same followers. I just don't get the logistics.
Deamon
Footballguy
1. it was Tebow's account that was fake and Lombardi went off of that as his source.2. michaellombardi is also fake. Real one is michaelombardi.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
NFL Network's Mike Lombardi is "hearing" that the Jaguars are close to acquiring Tim Tebow from the Broncos.
Lombardi previously wrote on his Twitter account that the Jags had acquired Tebow, but he was citing a fake Tebow Twitter page. "But this is not fake," Lombardi now claims. "I am hearing the Jags are close to making this happen." If so, the Jaguars will have swooped in to acquire Tebow from the Jets' clutches. The Jets thought their midday trade of Tebow was official, before reading the details of his contract and reneging on the initial deal.
Lombardi previously wrote on his Twitter account that the Jags had acquired Tebow, but he was citing a fake Tebow Twitter page. "But this is not fake," Lombardi now claims. "I am hearing the Jags are close to making this happen." If so, the Jaguars will have swooped in to acquire Tebow from the Jets' clutches. The Jets thought their midday trade of Tebow was official, before reading the details of his contract and reneging on the initial deal.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Can't imagine any choice for Tebow but JAX. There's no way he could betray his legion of followers, and hometown fans. Good for Tebow to have his choice.
Ok Adam, which is it? first he tweets...
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Tim Tebow is being allowed to pick the team he wants to go to. He picks the trade. Denver or Jacksonville. His call.
Then this.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Denver says it will do the trade that is best for its franchise. Jets or Jags.
So is Tebow in charge or Denver?
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Tim Tebow is being allowed to pick the team he wants to go to. He picks the trade. Denver or Jacksonville. His call.
Then this.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Denver says it will do the trade that is best for its franchise. Jets or Jags.
So is Tebow in charge or Denver?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Read b/w the lines here. They are exiling Baby Jesus. They will of course let him have the pick of his destination, and in turn the reduced backlash will be in the best interest of the Broncos. Whatever compensation they get, they will just be happy not to upset Tebowmania# and Tebownation# Better not piss off the fanatics.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
wow. what a day. what a week.per Schefterenver has agreed to trade Tim Tebow and a seventh-round pick to the Jets for the NY's fourth-round pick and a sixth-round pick.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
SportsCenter@SportsCenterReplyRetweetBreaking News: RT @AdarnSchefter It's official. The #Jaguars have traded for @TimTebowand ESPN is reporting it's the Jags, so which is it?per Schefter
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Breaking News: Schefter
The JETS have traded for Tim Tebow.
The JETS have traded for Tim Tebow.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
#1 question on everyone's mind. Did Tebow actually choose NY over his hometown? If so, why?
