Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (1 Viewer)

[thehornet]

as suspected. not nfl quality. sorry supporters.

 

[fatness]

Let's be fair about this both ways. Didn't they throw up a stat during the Buffalo game that Tebow's yards per completion were 1st in the NFL?

This is the more important stat, because it takes into account both completions and incompletions.

*** He's 22nd in yards per attempt

 

[Leroy Hoard]

as suspected. not nfl quality. sorry supporters.

Thee are 96 QBs in the NFL, so I doubt this is correct.

 

[fatness]

Good to see the Lord gets the blame here.

If you're referring to Tebow's postgame press conference, it was extremely immature. He was asked uncomfortable questions about a bad game, something that all NFL players get asked, and instead of answering he talked about his religion, the meaning of Christmas, and his mother.

 

[munchkin]

In a way I think these two losses make the Tebow discussion even more fascinating. With that win streak, it was to the point where seemingly NO ONE was talking fundamentals, and it came down to:

*** If you like Tebow = "All he does in WIN, I told you so"

*** If you were doubtful about Tebow = "You're just a hater, dug in on your preseason opinion"

Now that he's lost a few, I think we're starting to see a bit more discussion and debate again about just what this kid is. I'll admit that NOTHING frustrates me more than the concept of "intangibles" as it relates to debating performance. I hear lots of people dismiss things like stats or box scores, say they study film and believe the tape, and then cite "intangibles" as a reason they like or dislike someone.



By definition intangibles can't be seen.

Ultimately, I think John Elway has an easier time now that Tebow isn't taking a three month win streak into an AFC West title. The momentum would've been so strong, Elway would've had next to no choice but to back the kid in a big way. Now? I think he'll be smart and hedge his bets. The odds are certainly that Tebow starts the preseason as #1 and gets every opportunity to keep and cement his role, but I could see Elway using a fairly high pick on a QB he really likes, too. Just in case.

Well, of course not, and while they shouldn't be used to dismiss stats or box scores, one shouldn't go to the other extreme and dismiss them entirely either (as perhaps you are suggesting and I apologize if I am mischaracterizing your position). Success in the NFL and future fantasy production can not always be predicted with 100% accuracy based on numbers alone, not everything can be quantified IMO. Those of us who are not quite as linear in our thinking and consider intangibles seem to have as good a success rate over a period of years in our leagues as the number crunchers (who tend to think that stats mean everything and intangibles should not be part of the discussion). Not saying you don't have a valid point, just mentioning that there is another perspective.

Without the former there is little chance for the later; particularly in Denver. Elway has made that clear.

Tebow was drafted in the first round largely on his intangibles. McDaniels knew he wasn't getting an accomplished passer. If the Broncos lose on Sunday and do not make it into the playoffs much of the shine will be off the proverbial apple. Tebow has been a nice story but the fans want to win. If Tebow provides long term hope in that regard they will remain on board. If the holes in his game keep them out of the playoffs this year after raising expectations the fall will be precipitous.

Romeo is a very good DC and has the tools on defense to successfully defend against Tebow's first read/left leaning propensities in the passing game.

A victory for Crennel could go a long way in making him a viable option for Pioli as the 2012 coach of the Chiefs. The Denver/KC rivalry is a great one. The outcome of the game means a lot to the Denver team from a playoff perspective but it is also a tell for future moves made by the front offices of both teams.

It really should be an exciting game.

 

[FavreCo]

as suspected. not nfl quality. sorry supporters.

Thee are 96 QBs in the NFL, so I doubt this is correct.

As much as this guy will not lead an NFL team to a Super Bowl, I would put him on my NFL roster all day long. Solid backup QB that you would use is certain situations. You would hope your starter never goes down (so you need a 3rd QB) but you can draw up plays in the dirt for this guy and the defenses would not know what is coming at them. He's a wildcat style novelty that would last longer than the wildcat did.On another note, a win by The Tebows Sunday will carry this thread thru the off-season. I'll tell ya, when The Tebow loses, the lovers sure do run screaming for cover.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Let's be fair about this both ways. Didn't they throw up a stat during the Buffalo game that Tebow's yards per completion were 1st in the NFL?

This is the more important stat, because it takes into account both completions and incompletions.

*** He's 22nd in yards per attempt

Did you read the entire post or just pick out a few words? I don't think you could have missed the point more entirely than you did.

 

[Two Deep]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)

"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo’s killing them," Maher tweeted.

Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

 

[hines]

Let's be fair about this both ways. Didn't they throw up a stat during the Buffalo game that Tebow's yards per completion were 1st in the NFL?

This is the more important stat, because it takes into account both completions and incompletions.

*** He's 22nd in yards per attempt

Did you read the entire post or just pick out a few words? I don't think you could have missed the point more entirely than you did.

why look at YPC when YPA is much more informative?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Let's be fair about this both ways. Didn't they throw up a stat during the Buffalo game that Tebow's yards per completion were 1st in the NFL?

This is the more important stat, because it takes into account both completions and incompletions.

*** He's 22nd in yards per attempt

Did you read the entire post or just pick out a few words? I don't think you could have missed the point more entirely than you did.

why look at YPC when YPA is much more informative?

Because apparently basic reading comprehension is frowned upon 'round these parts.YPC is not being used as an efficiency measure or an indicator of how good or bad anyone is. It never was, and in fact that much was explicitly stated.

 

[cheese]

In a way I think these two losses make the Tebow discussion even more fascinating. With that win streak, it was to the point where seemingly NO ONE was talking fundamentals, and it came down to:*** If you like Tebow = "All he does in WIN, I told you so"*** If you were doubtful about Tebow = "You're just a hater, dug in on your preseason opinion"Now that he's lost a few, I think we're starting to see a bit more discussion and debate again about just what this kid is. I'll admit that NOTHING frustrates me more than the concept of "intangibles" as it relates to debating performance. I hear lots of people dismiss things like stats or box scores, say they study film and believe the tape, and then cite "intangibles" as a reason they like or dislike someone.By definition intangibles can't be seen. Ultimately, I think John Elway has an easier time now that Tebow isn't taking a three month win streak into an AFC West title. The momentum would've been so strong, Elway would've had next to no choice but to back the kid in a big way. Now? I think he'll be smart and hedge his bets. The odds are certainly that Tebow starts the preseason as #1 and gets every opportunity to keep and cement his role, but I could see Elway using a fairly high pick on a QB he really likes, too. Just in case.

What if I can't see the intangibles, but there is circumstantial evidence that they exist? In fact, its possible that this entire 52 page thread is really just a debate over whether intangibles exist and how much effect they can have. For me, I think its pretty clear Denver was/(is?) a terrible team when he took over. Now, they control their own destiny in week 17. Everything changed when the guy known for his leadership abilities and desire took over. Its possible that it is a coincidence, but I wouldn't bet on it.Based on your post, maybe you believe in the power of leadership (for example), but don't consider it an intangible. Thats probably semantics though. Maybe you can see it in a way, but you definitely can't measure it with statistics which is why this is so hard for stat guys. More of a debate over the concept of abilities you can't quantify than "intangibles". Put it this way, if you could have Tim Tebow or some player ABC put up the same stats for you in week 17, would you have a preference? You should. The only question is, how much is that difference worth in comparison to statistically superior QBs?

 

[munchkin]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo’s killing them," Maher tweeted.Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

Like his contemporaries Hannity, O'Reilly and Rush, Maher is prone to exageration to rile the troops. Really nothing there of import.

 

[shnikies]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year ton to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

 

[squistion]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)

"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo’s killing them," Maher tweeted.

Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

The same Eric Bolling who suggested that The Muppets were Communist:http://www.mediaite.com/online/muppets-director-hits-back-at-eric-bolling-no-the-muppets-are-not-communist/

 

[thatguy]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year ton to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Actually, this is interesting. I tutor a kid who plays high school football for a school near where Decker lives. Decker was at a lot of their practices this season, and Decker and my student became 'friends' of sorts. They text back and forth (my student plays WR, and is quite good, so they have that in common), Decker gets him tickets to home games, that kind of thing. So, I asked him how Decker felt with Tebow at the helm given that his targets and numbers have gone way down. Apparently, Decker told him that he hates going over the middle, and loves playing with Tebow because the only times he really looks for him is on deep balls when he's wide open. Lends a lot of credence to what you're saying. Bottom line is you're right: Decker hates going over the middle and is indeed afraid of getting hit. Eddie Mac V2, as many were calling him earlier this season, he is not, and will likely never be.

 

[Joe Summer]

Tebow missed out on Pro Bowl but is rumored to be 2nd alternate.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7394336/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-headline-pro-bowl-rosters

 

[moleculo]

I think that if Tebow has a multi-turnover game this week vs KC and Denver misses the playoffs, his position as QB1 next year will not be secure. Elway will have cover to bring in legit competition.

Should Tebow take care of the ball and usher Denver into the playoffs, his role for 2011 will be secure...at as secure as anyone not named Brees or Rodgers will be.

IMO, this game will be the referendum and public perception of Tebow's future will weigh heavily on this one game.

This will be the most important game of his pro career; it will be interesting to see how he responds.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think that if Tebow has a multi-turnover game this week vs KC and Denver misses the playoffs, his position as QB1 next year will not be secure. Elway will have cover to bring in legit competition.Should Tebow take care of the ball and usher Denver into the playoffs, his role for 2011 will be secure...at as secure as anyone not named Brees or Rodgers will be.IMO, this game will be the referendum and public perception of Tebow's future will weigh heavily on this one game.This will be the most important game of his pro career; it will be interesting to see how he responds.

Good posting although I think Tebow is starting next year regardless of if he has a bad game or not on Sunday against KC.I think what is far more important to Tebow's career is how he does this off season and in next years training camp. If he has a good off season and has a good start next year and looks like he has made strides in passing and reading defences then no one will care about if he was overly bad against KC. In fact, if Tebow plays well on Sunday and they win but he has a bad off season and bad training camp in 2012 as well as a slow start to the season that is far more hurtful to his career than Sunday will be.Tebow has dealt with pressure as good as any young QB ever has in the NFL. He has faced constant scruitiny from players, talkikng heads, media etc since the day he was drafted. He was said to perhaps enter 2011 as the starter but after what many said was a horrendous training camp he fell down the ranks. Many had him listed in a fight for the QB 2 spot and said he may even end up behind Quinn. He then takes over what seems to be a helpless situation and low and behold he starts to win. Even while winning he does not get an endorsement from Elway, which I am sure does not phase him at this stage. I mean along the way Detroit players pile on, and guys like Briggs and Urlacher give him no props. What does Tebow do? He continues to give his team, coaches, and supporting cast a work ethic and leadership that is contagious and the locker room has at least believed for the time being that they are a legitimate playoff caliber team. If I had to guess, I would assume Tebow has an average day but makes a couple of plays that helps Denver beat KC on Sunday once again showing that he can over come adversity.I really don't know how anyone can bet against this kid at this stage given everything he has faced and how well he has dealt with it so far.

 

[Two Deep]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

 

[Two Deep]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year ton to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Actually, this is interesting. I tutor a kid who plays high school football for a school near where Decker lives. Decker was at a lot of their practices this season, and Decker and my student became 'friends' of sorts. They text back and forth (my student plays WR, and is quite good, so they have that in common), Decker gets him tickets to home games, that kind of thing. So, I asked him how Decker felt with Tebow at the helm given that his targets and numbers have gone way down. Apparently, Decker told him that he hates going over the middle, and loves playing with Tebow because the only times he really looks for him is on deep balls when he's wide open. Lends a lot of credence to what you're saying. Bottom line is you're right: Decker hates going over the middle and is indeed afraid of getting hit. Eddie Mac V2, as many were calling him earlier this season, he is not, and will likely never be.

So now were using high school kids as a reliable source.

 

[Chaka]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

Seriously. That's just a weird statement from shnikies. Of course the QB impacts how well a WRs play is perceived.

 

[glumpy]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year ton to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

dropping back to this point though I know where it's gone so far. I think you're just reaching here. Orton used him for a security blanket and Decker is a good one, consistent, dump-off routes, stable. The way that Tebow stretched the plays Demaryius turned out to be more suitable, as he was all over the place coming towards the play. Decker can likely do that too--it just wasn't in the game plan. (?)I guess what I'm saying is that I like them both, and feel either can be a good play. How it sets up next year will be anyone's guess.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

Yeah, like Demaryius Thomas has suffered, right? How about we try extrapolating his numbers since getting back into the starting role 4 weeks ago? 1650/12 is the correct answer.Regardless of who the QB is the return of Thomas, who is actually capable of catching a pass when there is a defender within 7 yards of him, was going to push Decker's usefulness down the charts.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I liked Decker coming out of college and still think he has potential to be a good NFL WR. But at this stage his hands have really let him down this year. He does have an ability of getting open and he can make some plays, but as of right now he is not a reliable target as he seems to have a case of the dropsies.

In dynasty Thomas looks the part of a true WR 1.

This is such a young offence that may continue to learn and grow together and develop into something good (don't want to say special) as they are not that type of offence, but they need a huge upgrade in the slot to continue moving forward, and hopefully one of their young TE's can transition into a reliable pass catching guy.

 

[thatguy]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year ton to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Actually, this is interesting. I tutor a kid who plays high school football for a school near where Decker lives. Decker was at a lot of their practices this season, and Decker and my student became 'friends' of sorts. They text back and forth (my student plays WR, and is quite good, so they have that in common), Decker gets him tickets to home games, that kind of thing. So, I asked him how Decker felt with Tebow at the helm given that his targets and numbers have gone way down. Apparently, Decker told him that he hates going over the middle, and loves playing with Tebow because the only times he really looks for him is on deep balls when he's wide open. Lends a lot of credence to what you're saying. Bottom line is you're right: Decker hates going over the middle and is indeed afraid of getting hit. Eddie Mac V2, as many were calling him earlier this season, he is not, and will likely never be.

So now were using high school kids as a reliable source.

Um, yeah, I am--but not high school kids, one high school kid in particular. I have no reason to believe he just made all of that stuff up. He's a good kid and great athlete.Look, I'm passing along information. Take it or leave it, but don't be a ####.

 

[shnikies]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

Seriously. That's just a weird statement from shnikies. Of course the QB impacts how well a WRs play is perceived.

I'm not basing his performance on the QB play. I'm basing it on the fact that Decker has been horrible. It's the QB's fault that he drops passes, doesn't high point the ball and slides on his knees for any pass below his numbers?

 

[Chaka]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

Seriously. That's just a weird statement from shnikies. Of course the QB impacts how well a WRs play is perceived.

I'm not basing his performance on the QB play. I'm basing it on the fact that Decker has been horrible. It's the QB's fault that he drops passes, doesn't high point the ball and slides on his knees for any pass below his numbers?

He didn't seem to be having those problems when Orton was throwing him the ball. The guy also went from 8.2 to 5.1 targets per game. I am not saying he is great, or even that you are wrong, but his situation has changed dramatically throughout the season and that accounts for something in his performance.

 

[shnikies]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

Seriously. That's just a weird statement from shnikies. Of course the QB impacts how well a WRs play is perceived.

I'm not basing his performance on the QB play. I'm basing it on the fact that Decker has been horrible. It's the QB's fault that he drops passes, doesn't high point the ball and slides on his knees for any pass below his numbers?

He didn't seem to be having those problems when Orton was throwing him the ball. The guy also went from 8.2 to 5.1 targets per game. I am not saying he is great, or even that you are wrong, but his situation has changed dramatically throughout the season and that accounts for something in his performance.

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

 

[Buffaloes]

Yeah, like Demaryius Thomas has suffered, right? How about we try extrapolating his numbers since getting back into the starting role 4 weeks ago? 1650/12 is the correct answer.

Thomas missed all of Orton's games earlier in the year. I remember some TT fans (not just on this board) burying him early on in his return too, though. Thomas 's size/speed combo is freakish, though. And he has the frame to box out defenders and create larger windows for TT. Decker is a decent WR. He's not a #1, but he's a capable possession WR. He is struggling w/ Tebow at the helm for whatever reason, but he was very consistent earlier in the year.

 

[Buffaloes]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

 

[KCC]

I actually think Tebow's performance was somewhat inflated by the fact that he came in mid-season. Vick did the same thing last year and had huge games as defensive coordinators scrambled to throw a makeshift game plan together on the fly to try to contain his ground game. Look at what happened to Vick's numbers when those same coordinators had a full offseason to plan for him. I would expect to see the same with Tebow next year and I don't see him being able to make enough improvements in other areas of his game to offset that.

 

[shnikies]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

 

[Neofight]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

Perhaps he is blinded by Timmy's halo.

 

[Two Deep]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

Alright somebody has to say it. You are uncomfortablly in love with Tebow therefore bias and your opinion and point of view are worthless. You pretend you know the game of football but everytime you post you prove otherwise. TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS A NFL QUARTERBACK. You can blame the coaches, wide receivers, John Elway, the media or whoever the hell you like but the fact is TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS AN NFL QUARTERBACK.

 

[Two Deep]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year too.

On to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Extrapolate his numbers with Orton over 16 games and he goes 80-1080 and 16 TDS. When you have a terrible passing QB your wide receivers suffer.

Seriously. That's just a weird statement from shnikies. Of course the QB impacts how well a WRs play is perceived.

I'm not basing his performance on the QB play. I'm basing it on the fact that Decker has been horrible. It's the QB's fault that he drops passes, doesn't high point the ball and slides on his knees for any pass below his numbers?

Show me where he shows up on the list? I see D. Thomas with six NFL Leaders

NFL AFC

Pass Dropped

Rank Player Team Stats

1t Dwayne Bowe KC 12

1t Greg Little Cle 12

1t Brandon Marshall Mia 12

4 Dallas Clark Ind 8

5t Anquan Boldin Bal 7

5t Ray Rice Bal 7

5t Jerome Simpson Cin 7

5t Mike Tolbert SD 7

5t Benjamin Watson Cle 7

10t Davone Bess Mia 6

10t Antonio Brown Pit 6

10t Montario Hardesty Cle 6

10t Jason Hill Jac 6

10t Demaryius Thomas Den 6

10t Damian Williams Ten 6

16t Jonathan Baldwin KC 5

16t Lance Ball Den 5

16t Jermaine Gresham Cin 5

16t Darrius Heyward-Bey Oak 5

16t Vincent Jackson SD 5

16t Chris Johnson Ten 5

16t Dexter McCluster KC 5

16t Heath Miller Pit 5

16t David Nelson Buf 5

16t Eddie Royal Den 5

16t Torrey Smith Bal 5

16t LaDainian Tomlinson NYJ 5

16t Mike Wallace Pit 5

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Receiving&rank=232&year=

 

[Two Deep]

A young QB had a bad game, it happens. Heck, all QBs young and old have bad games. Brady threw 4 picks against that same defense this year ton to the next topic, can we get an Eric Decker hate-club that's on par with the Tebow-hater club? That ball-skilless clown makes 50% of the easy plays and 0% of the hard ones.

I'd like to be on the board of the Eric Decker Hate Club. The guy's a joke. He plays like a woman's private part. There are some people I love watching play and some I hate. Decker is at the top of the latter's list.

Funny; he was lighting it up when Orton was in there.

I didn't know a quarterback change was an excuse for being terrible. Lighting it up? Hardly. Plus, Thomas has done ok with Tebow. Maybe it's because he doesn't start crying every time he hears an opponent's footsteps.

Actually, this is interesting. I tutor a kid who plays high school football for a school near where Decker lives. Decker was at a lot of their practices this season, and Decker and my student became 'friends' of sorts. They text back and forth (my student plays WR, and is quite good, so they have that in common), Decker gets him tickets to home games, that kind of thing. So, I asked him how Decker felt with Tebow at the helm given that his targets and numbers have gone way down. Apparently, Decker told him that he hates going over the middle, and loves playing with Tebow because the only times he really looks for him is on deep balls when he's wide open. Lends a lot of credence to what you're saying. Bottom line is you're right: Decker hates going over the middle and is indeed afraid of getting hit. Eddie Mac V2, as many were calling him earlier this season, he is not, and will likely never be.

So now were using high school kids as a reliable source.

Um, yeah, I am--but not high school kids, one high school kid in particular. I have no reason to believe he just made all of that stuff up. He's a good kid and great athlete.Look, I'm passing along information. Take it or leave it, but don't be a ####.

Did you hear? Mary said Jimmy is dating Sally because she puts out. Hows that for a ####.

 

[ivnabru]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo's killing them," Maher tweeted.Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

Bill Maher is a bigot, unfortunately there is an audience out there who applauds that kind of thing.Look I understand there are a lot of bad Christians, I get that most of their organizations have some terrible hate filled ideas. But guys like Maher are just as bad and doing exactly the same thing.They just don't understand I don't think.

 

[moleculo]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

Alright somebody has to say it. You are uncomfortablly in love with Tebow therefore bias and your opinion and point of view are worthless. You pretend you know the game of football but everytime you post you prove otherwise. TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS A NFL QUARTERBACK. You can blame the coaches, wide receivers, John Elway, the media or whoever the hell you like but the fact is TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS AN NFL QUARTERBACK.

Outstanding analysis. Insightful comments like this are what makes this such a great forum. I'm especially a big fan of how you use subtlety to make your point, not to mention facts to back yourself up.

 

[moleculo]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo's killing them," Maher tweeted.Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

Bill Maher is a bigot, unfortunately there is an audience out there who applauds that kind of thing.Look I understand there are a lot of bad Christians, I get that most of their organizations have some terrible hate filled ideas. But guys like Maher are just as bad and doing exactly the same thing.They just don't understand I don't think.

most Christian organizations have terrible hate filled ideas?

 

[munchkin]

Apparently, Decker told him that he hates going over the middle, and loves playing with Tebow because the only times he really looks for him is on deep balls when he's wide open.

Well it might also be that Tebow can't throw effectively to his right unless the receiver is wide open. I have really only paid attention to the Vikings', Bears' and Patriots' games so I can't speak to what I haven't seen. What I have seen is Tebow make the occasional first read throws under pressure to his left leading the receiver well with good ball placement; throws to his right were mostly erratic and late. He is able to hit the uncovered receiver to his right when the original play breaks down. Perhaps he lacks the confidence to throw right so his accuracy suffers.

I am not sure why an NFL player would confide in a High School kid but who knows. At any rate. If Decker's ability to play well is limited to a couple of routes he isn't long for the League and he knows it.

 

[Two Deep]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

Alright somebody has to say it. You are uncomfortablly in love with Tebow therefore bias and your opinion and point of view are worthless. You pretend you know the game of football but everytime you post you prove otherwise. TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS A NFL QUARTERBACK. You can blame the coaches, wide receivers, John Elway, the media or whoever the hell you like but the fact is TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS AN NFL QUARTERBACK.

Outstanding analysis. Insightful comments like this are what makes this such a great forum. I'm especially a big fan of how you use subtlety to make your point, not to mention facts to back yourself up.

Watch the games with an unbiased view and you'll have your facts.

 

[ivnabru]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo's killing them," Maher tweeted.Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

Bill Maher is a bigot, unfortunately there is an audience out there who applauds that kind of thing.Look I understand there are a lot of bad Christians, I get that most of their organizations have some terrible hate filled ideas. But guys like Maher are just as bad and doing exactly the same thing.They just don't understand I don't think.

most Christian organizations have terrible hate filled ideas?

I'm not a good guy, but at least I keep it private mostly. I think so. Usually a far secondary idea, and I don't think most Christians do on their own (at least not any more than anyone else). But, I bet you can find an idea that is hate based in just about all Christian organizations/groups.

 

[FavreCo]

The Tebow thread has been the most entertaining since the Vince Young is the greatest threads. There is serious lack of football knowledge in those including the now infamous 'he just wins' statements. The Tebow really needs this victory Sunday for this thread to carry momentum thru the offseason. Go Tebow!

 

[DoubleG]

Yeah, like Demaryius Thomas has suffered, right? How about we try extrapolating his numbers since getting back into the starting role 4 weeks ago? 1650/12 is the correct answer.

Regardless of who the QB is the return of Thomas, who is actually capable of catching a pass when there is a defender within 7 yards of him, was going to push Decker's usefulness down the charts.

As a D. Thomas dynasty owner, it moved.

 

[KCC]

HBO's Bill Maher created a firestorm over the Christmas weekend with a scathing reaction to Tebow's subpar performance in Buffalo. Shortly after Tebow threw four interceptions in the Broncos' lopsided defeat to the Bills, Maher turned to his Twitter page to poke fun at the very religious NFL star. (And a warning: Maher's tweet includes harsh language and divisive references.)"Wow, Jesus just [screwed] #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere ... Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler "Hey, Buffalo's killing them," Maher tweeted.Maher, a proud atheist who supports legalizing pot, same-sex marriage and is a board member for PETA, upset a number of conservatives, according to Entertainment Weekly. Eric Bolling of Fox News responded to Maher by calling him "disgusting vile trash," among other things.

Bill Maher is a bigot, unfortunately there is an audience out there who applauds that kind of thing.Look I understand there are a lot of bad Christians, I get that most of their organizations have some terrible hate filled ideas. But guys like Maher are just as bad and doing exactly the same thing.They just don't understand I don't think.

most Christian organizations have terrible hate filled ideas?

There is a long line of terrible and hate-filled ideas in the scripture on which christian faiths are based. Even by modern practices, I think they are credulous and divisive ideas at best.

 

[Buffaloes]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

As a Bronco fan I have watched Decker closely and I watched him play a bit as a Gopher. I think your bias is getting the best of you here. He has dropped some passes over the past few weeks, but not many have been because he was about to get hit. They were simply drops. He didn't have this issue until recently. So who knows what it is due to. I do think TT fans are building excuses as to why their guy has struggled, whether it be a conscious effort or not. Decker is decent WR. A good #2 possession type. He took hit like the one linked here in college and held up (and held on ) fine.
That is just one hit, but I have not noticed him shying away from hits during his NFL career. Nor do I remember it from the times I watched him in college. AS has been stated, he was Denver's best and most consistent WR up until Thomas started putting his recent run together.

 

[TheGBU]

and after Tebow is exposed AGAIN by the Chiefs and the Raiders beat the Chargers who already have Monday morning tee times set up after being blown out last week, the "Tebow era" will end. Elway and Fox can say "look, we gave him every chance and even changed the entire offense to suit him but it just didn't work out" and Tebow will be back to praying on the bench.

 

[greenroom]

Orton also threw the ball 35 times a game during the first four games. Obviously when you throw the ball 50% less the receiver's stats will suffer. I'm not looking ay stats, I'm looking at the receiver, a very bad receiver.

No, not really. If you are willing to give TT the benefit of the doubt for being young, inexperienced, etc...why not Decker? Earlier in the year he was making plays and those plays weren't due strictly to the volume of passes that came his way. He was the most reliable WR on the rooster up until the past month or so.

If he didn't close his eyes and squint every time he was about to catch a ball and take a hit, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have heart and heart isn't something you teach. He shies away from contact and that's not something that usually changes unless you're a character in "Jerry Maguire".

Alright somebody has to say it. You are uncomfortablly in love with Tebow therefore bias and your opinion and point of view are worthless. You pretend you know the game of football but everytime you post you prove otherwise. TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS A NFL QUARTERBACK. You can blame the coaches, wide receivers, John Elway, the media or whoever the hell you like but the fact is TIM TEBOW SUCKS AS AN NFL QUARTERBACK.

Outstanding analysis. Insightful comments like this are what makes this such a great forum. I'm especially a big fan of how you use subtlety to make your point, not to mention facts to back yourself up.

Watch the games with an unbiased view and you'll have your facts.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Is Tebow a great QB not yet, but he has shown potential to be one. You cannot just look at the passing yards with Tebow you need to look at his whole game. If your looking for Dan Marino your right, but if your looking for a young Steve Young type ( I know he needs to improve his passing more, but he has improved tons this season and with an offseason to work with Elway he should improve).

 

[greenroom]

and after Tebow is exposed AGAIN by the Chiefs and the Raiders beat the Chargers who already have Monday morning tee times set up after being blown out last week, the "Tebow era" will end. Elway and Fox can say "look, we gave him every chance and even changed the entire offense to suit him but it just didn't work out" and Tebow will be back to praying on the bench.

When did Tebow get exposed by the Chiefs? Last I checked they went in to KC and won. But hey your the Iexpert!

 

[shnikies]

and after Tebow is exposed AGAIN by the Chiefs and the Raiders beat the Chargers who already have Monday morning tee times set up after being blown out last week, the "Tebow era" will end. Elway and Fox can say "look, we gave him every chance and even changed the entire offense to suit him but it just didn't work out" and Tebow will be back to praying on the bench.

When did Tebow get exposed by the Chiefs? Last I checked they went in to KC and won. But hey your the Iexpert!

It's Tebow's fault he only he had to throw 8 passes in that game to win. Obviously!