moleculo
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pocket QB's can get hurt too.
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Tim Tebow a Revolutionary? (1 Viewer)
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cstu
Footballguy
Very true, but the league is set up to overprotect QB's as much as possible. Running QB's get hurt quite often and ones that try to take on contact are asking for even more trouble.
mr roboto
Footballguy
So can I sitting on my couch. Or walking down the street. So?If you get hit more often, and more violently, you will have a greater risk of injury. It's not too hard to imagine.
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moleculo
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I'd like to see some data on running QB's and their injury risk vs traditional pocket QB's. May not be a huge difference. Seems like there should be a difference, but there may not be. When a QB is running, he can dictate the terms of the contact - less likely to get blindsided and can lean into the hit. A pocket QB is a target, can get blasted from all angles while standing tall and has bodies falling all around him.
SaintsInDome2006
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He's a fullback who can pass (not a quarterback who can run, any back who lines up under center becomes the "quarterback"); no one would ask this about a fullback.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Today Tebow had the most carries by a quarterback since 1950.
so he can get hit in the pocket and on the run. you know RBs get hurt more than QBs and when a QB leaves the pocket to run they basically become a RB. if you are committing to Tebow as your #1, you have to understand their is a heightened risk of a disaster when he goes down and the system is only tailored for him
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I hear some people are actually killed by seatbelts, too.
bonesman
Footballguy
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
Very good point.
cstu
Footballguy
Fullbacks don't have worry about an injured hand/arm/shoulder affecting their ability to throw the ball. Despite the fact he rarely throws now he still needs to be some sort of threat passing the ball to play quarterback.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I agree, but what he lacks in an arm he can somewhat account for with his legs...somewhat.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I think hitting is different from being hit. You don't hear of as many players being injured blocking someone relative to being blocked or hit - or at least that is my understanding....'cstu said:
CravenM
Footballguy
Not quite. Tebow is running a different offense than VY did at Tennessee. And Tebow can throw more, and better, but the supporting cast (WRs, TEs and coaches) need to get better.
In 4 years at Florida, he got knocked out of 1 game (Kentucky) when he fell backward against his Tackle's knee and got a concussion. He was in the pocket, stationary and it was a fluke incident.Another game, the coach ran him to death (40+ times) because of the numerous injuries to RBs and WRs. He wore down at the end but that's life.Otherwise, the only time he got jacked up were illegal hits (spearing, helmet-to-helmet, etc) which can happen to any QB. I see Tebow as the kind of guy who knows how to avoid big hits, especially when carrying the ball which is what has preserved him for so long.On the other hand, look at how many pocket passers have been knocked out this year, behind the line (i.e. "not running"): Schaub, Leinart, Campbell, Henne, Vick, McCoy, Bradford, Kolb, Cutler, etc.Give Tebow and this offense a few years to see if they can improve on their skill level and execution of the offense - then make judgments. Concluding that this offense can never work in the NFL after a 5-1 start is just plain foolish.
ourmanflint
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Could it possibly be that the defense plays better BECAUSE of him? As fantasy players we tend to think of players as prima donna's. Players who carry teams on their backs. In fact, teams like this have never been successful. Even the Brady led Patriot teams have stressed team concepts over star players.Could it be that Tebow is the consummate team player? One who rallies the troops to the cause?there's no love hate about this situation. even if you love this guy, you cant possibly think hes a good qb. hes won a couple games. wow. it's the defense, not him.great article matt - well thought out and unbiased. you show us where we really stand on both sides of the love/hate phenomenon that's going on... no one knows how long this will last or if he'll succeed, because what he's doing has never been done before and it's changing the way we look at the qb position.
Irregardless of your notion of what makes a good NFL QB, Denver was doomed under Orton and has been resurrected under Tebow. Why?
I think this is a phenomenon that transcends our petty fantasy football interests.
The bottom line is Tim Tebow is a great man. I think his teammates see that and it inspires them to try harder.
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squistion
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Except the Colts with Peyton Manning...Could it possibly be that the defense plays better BECAUSE of him? As fantasy players we tend to think of players as prima donna's. Players who carry teams on their backs. In fact, teams like this have never been successful. Even the Brady led Patriot teams have stressed team concepts over star players.Could it be that Tebow is the consummate team player? One who rallies the troops to the cause?there's no love hate about this situation. even if you love this guy, you cant possibly think hes a good qb. hes won a couple games. wow. it's the defense, not him.great article matt - well thought out and unbiased. you show us where we really stand on both sides of the love/hate phenomenon that's going on... no one knows how long this will last or if he'll succeed, because what he's doing has never been done before and it's changing the way we look at the qb position.
Irregardless of your notion of what makes a good NFL QB, Denver was doomed under Orton and has been resurrected under Tebow. Why?
I think this is a phenomenon that transcends our petty fantasy football interests.
The bottom line is Tim Tebow is a great man. I think his teammates see that and it inspires them to try harder.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Does anyone remember how the "Dirty Bird" Falcons beat the "record setting Randy Moss/Chris Carter/Culpepper" Vikings. You beat high scoring passing teams by getting an early lead, and then shortening the game by running the ball and playing good defense. Ask Peyton Manning about how his teams were beaten by the Patriots. Or ask the Steelers how they have have won for decades.Two different philosophies. The Broncos don't "have" to score 35 points if they play things correctly.
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Football Jones
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Tebow has such massive FF potential. This hobby goes way beyond stats. I remember when a LOT of FFers were steadfastly convinced Matt Forte was a mediocre (at best) RB. They simply wouldn't here of anything else & kept quoting his below-average YPC.
I compare that to much of what's going on with Tebow. You've got to judge talent with your eyeballs, but you must also project what players are capable of. This kid single-handidly got Denver in the playoffs with very little help. Believe it or not, there are people who swear Tebow had nothing to do with it. That's called a hater, LOL.
Anyway, this is the best thing that could've happened to Tebow. He's got the ability to be a good NFL QB & an elite FF QB. Tebow could easily improve enough in the passing game to be a nightmare to opposing Ds given his other attributes. It'll be interesting to see where he lands & how he progresses. Tebow certainly has a decent chance (at the very least) to be successful.
I compare that to much of what's going on with Tebow. You've got to judge talent with your eyeballs, but you must also project what players are capable of. This kid single-handidly got Denver in the playoffs with very little help. Believe it or not, there are people who swear Tebow had nothing to do with it. That's called a hater, LOL.
Anyway, this is the best thing that could've happened to Tebow. He's got the ability to be a good NFL QB & an elite FF QB. Tebow could easily improve enough in the passing game to be a nightmare to opposing Ds given his other attributes. It'll be interesting to see where he lands & how he progresses. Tebow certainly has a decent chance (at the very least) to be successful.
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TimTebow
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QuizGuy66
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Tune in in 3 days.-QG
I think Tebow is still worth watching, and has potential to become a true NFL starter. His 2011 stats were mediocre, but he wasn't getting too much help from his team. Thomas and Decker were hurt many games, and are limited as WRs even when healthy. McGahee has a good year, but he doesn't strike fear into defenses. Tebow did a lot for that team that most other QBs could not do. Before going to prison, Vick had a completion percentage in the mid-50s, and he was successful. If Tebow lands just 23 more passes over the course of the season, then he's in the mid-50s too. Given his running ability, he doesn't need to be a 60% passer; he just needs enough credibility to force defenses to commit safeties to the receivers.
I know it's a challenge, and I'm not predicting he will suddenly morph into a top 10 QB. But I think the media is writing him off too quick.
I know it's a challenge, and I'm not predicting he will suddenly morph into a top 10 QB. But I think the media is writing him off too quick.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Even if Tebow does not start another game in the NFL, the Tim Tebow debate will take a minimum of 2-3 years to settle down. If you consider his ability to sell tickets and jerseys, along with the fact that he is a good guy, Tebow could be in the NFL for at least six more years. I see him bouncing around the NFL on different teams and struggling with his role (if he is not the clear starter).
QuizGuy66
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Still whooshing...I even got out my secret decoder ring. Nothing.Guess my post went :whoosh: there-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Check back with my on April 8th.-QGStill whooshing...I even got out my secret decoder ring. Nothing.Guess my post went :whoosh: there
fatness
Footballguy
So he's a savior, and getting dumped is even better than that.I'm not sure which part of that is funnier.
flapgreen
Footballguy
They build you up, just so they can tear you down. That's how it works.
Donnybrook
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Rich Eisen
If I was a Jag fan, I wouldn't get to worried over this. I don't really trust Lombardi to be correct. If Schefter said it, I would believe it.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
He should go to Canada work for a few years and come back if he wants to be a QB. right now he is a gimmick play guy, a TE playing QB.
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ESPN had an article today saying Jax, Miami, Gb and jets had inquired. Sorry I have no link as I saw it earlier today.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Worried? About getting Tebow? That team is a ship lost at sea. Tebow is a legend in Jacksonville. Barely anyone there even goes to the games. The stadium would explode if they traded for Tebow. Of course, Jacksonville has never been known to be an intelligent franchise, so I doubt it happens'Donnybrook said:
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Football Jones
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How anybody could follow the Bronocs last year & not believe Tebow was a major factor is puzzling. There has to be an agenda. Tebow is THE reason they made the playoffs.Obviously, moving on is the best thing for this kid. There's really no debate. Staying somewhere you aren't wanted is a death sentence.I had no doubt other NFL teams would be interested in Tebow's vast potential & that's been the case.'fatness said:
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Donnybrook
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I was assuming that most Jags fan don't want him and the media circus that would follow. I am not wrong.
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