Tim Tebow still underrated (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

It amazes me that people still think Tebow is going to fail at the NFL level, even after seeing him excel as a rookie. I see threads comparing Newton to Tebow with a negative connotation. Some guys were even assuming the Broncos were looking at QBs in the draft, even with Tebow and a seviceable Kyle Orton on the roster.

Dude is clearly gonna be decent at least in the NFL. His desire and talent are too strong, despite his conventional limitations with his throwing motion. And if things break right with his new coaches, his upside is a lot more than that. At this point, Tebow's only real limitation is a playing style that makes him susceptable to injury.

And this from a Raider fan! I can't stand the Broncos, but I can see that this guy has it. A poor man's Vick is his upside.

 

[eaglesfan7]

I agree, he's pretty good and should improve greatly. Of course he doesn't look fantastic just yet but it was his rookie season and he needs time. If he improves his mechanics and learns how to read an NFL defense better than he does now then the sky is the limit.

 

[drfeelgood]

At this point, Tebow's only real limitation is a playing style that makes him susceptable to injury.

He needs to improve a lot on pocket passing. That should be doable.

 

[_lurker_]

Just cuz the Broncos are going to give him a full chance doesn't mean he won't suck. Time will tell, but buying Tebow this week is probably not a good idea since Tebow owners will use the lack of a drafted QB as an excuse to milk it.

 

[moleculo]

I still think that Tebow ultimately will be a better real life qb than a ff qb... not sue i'm buying for my ff team just yet.

 

[Tony Soprano]

I still think that Tebow ultimately will be a better real life qb than a ff qb... not sue i'm buying for my ff team just yet.

I think the opposite... with the rushing yards and TDs, he may be a better FF player than real-life QB. But I agree, not sure if I'm buying yet... loads of upside, but a low ceiling as well IMHO. In a redraft, I'd better have a strong QB1 to have Tebow as my QB2.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I still think that Tebow ultimately will be a better real life qb than a ff qb... not sue i'm buying for my ff team just yet.

I think the opposite... with the rushing yards and TDs, he may be a better FF player than real-life QB. But I agree, not sure if I'm buying yet... loads of upside, but a low ceiling as well IMHO. In a redraft, I'd better have a strong QB1 to have Tebow as my QB2.

+1

 

[doowain]

If he can lead the league in PPG over the final 3 games of the season as a rookie with a revamped throwing motion, I'm excited to see what he'll do with another full offseason to perfect it. With his work ethic, his mechanics will eventually catch up to his talent. He is the last player in the league I'd bet against.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If he can lead the league in PPG over the final 3 games of the season as a rookie with a revamped throwing motion, I'm excited to see what he'll do with another full offseason to perfect it. With his work ethic, his mechanics will eventually catch up to his talent. He is the last player in the league I'd bet against.

dont you think the change in coaches and philosphy might hurt him? Call me skeptical. Not only that , Fox seems like he will play Orton, unless he is traded.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Elway just said they are starting tebow.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

this Kool-Aid is laced with arsenic

 

[footballsavvy]

As with any fantasy prospect, it depends on the asking price. I like his upside, but the odds seem kind of long. Unfortunately, fantasy PPG is a player stat that coaches don't care about (though that could change as our hobby gains in popularity at an alarming rate).

 

[Mookie]

I still think that Tebow ultimately will be a better real life qb than a ff qb... not sue i'm buying for my ff team just yet.

I think the opposite... with the rushing yards and TDs, he may be a better FF player than real-life QB. But I agree, not sure if I'm buying yet... loads of upside, but a low ceiling as well IMHO. In a redraft, I'd better have a strong QB1 to have Tebow as my QB2.

+1

I agree. His rushing stats will more than make up for his passing stats. The only issue is whether/when he starts and if he can keep the job once he gets it.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

don't have a link but Woody Paige did an interesting artcle Sunday April 24th in the Denver Post with Tebow....if you want to see what this guy has been doing and what his motivation is take a look.....if you are set in your head that he will not be a NFL QB, please don't read it because personally I'd like the Tebow hate to continue as long as possible....I think there will still be doubters even after he is announced as the starter and that is fine by me and something to take advantage of as you enter your redrafts in late August/early Sept....

and I don't think you will be able to take a strong QB1 and then wait around to try and add him as your possible homerun at QB2....by the time most redrafts roll around I would imagine his fantasy stock will be high enough that you will have to pull the trigger on him fairly early as there will be some believers that will be fine with him as their QB1....so I think you will have to make up your mind on where you stand on Tebow and draft accordingly......

 

[mr roboto]

don't have a link but Woody Paige did an interesting artcle Sunday April 24th in the Denver Post with Tebow....if you want to see what this guy has been doing and what his motivation is take a look.....if you are set in your head that he will not be a NFL QB, please don't read it because personally I'd like the Tebow hate to continue as long as possible....I think there will still be doubters even after he is announced as the starter and that is fine by me and something to take advantage of as you enter your redrafts in late August/early Sept....

and I don't think you will be able to take a strong QB1 and then wait around to try and add him as your possible homerun at QB2....by the time most redrafts roll around I would imagine his fantasy stock will be high enough that you will have to pull the trigger on him fairly early as there will be some believers that will be fine with him as their QB1....so I think you will have to make up your mind on where you stand on Tebow and draft accordingly......

Paige/Tebow interview

 

[LHUCKS]

Tebow was more successful than I thought he would be as a rookie, so I'm definitely not writing him off.

He showed something last year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Whatever he is, he's a great person:

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I’m not a role model.' Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

 

[Go deep]

Whatever he is, he's a great person:"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I'm not a role model.' Yes you are. You're just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

Its too bad not every athlete was more like him. Youre not human if you dont root for this guy. Unfotunately i just dont thnk he is going to be a good NFL QB.

 

[az_prof]

don't have a link but Woody Paige did an interesting artcle Sunday April 24th in the Denver Post with Tebow....if you want to see what this guy has been doing and what his motivation is take a look.....if you are set in your head that he will not be a NFL QB, please don't read it because personally I'd like the Tebow hate to continue as long as possible....I think there will still be doubters even after he is announced as the starter and that is fine by me and something to take advantage of as you enter your redrafts in late August/early Sept....

and I don't think you will be able to take a strong QB1 and then wait around to try and add him as your possible homerun at QB2....by the time most redrafts roll around I would imagine his fantasy stock will be high enough that you will have to pull the trigger on him fairly early as there will be some believers that will be fine with him as their QB1....so I think you will have to make up your mind on where you stand on Tebow and draft accordingly......

Paige/Tebow interview

Nice read. Thanks for the link.Interesting comment on the lock out--I have wondered how much not being in camp this off season would ####### his development and he points out that he is working harder than other people on his own, which I do not doubt, and so he is gaining an edge.

Also was wondering about the change in coaching, but he says the new offense is similar and is designed to play to his strengths. So, that would actually be a positive if they are tweaking the offense to Tebow's strengths.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Not only do I think he will be successful, I hope he will be successful.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year, and is the ultimate pro. His rookie year was so successful due to allowing him the time to prepare for the NFL. It also allowed him to get some actual play experience and confidence to know that he can be successful in the NFL and that his game can translate with the big boys.

He is humble as indicated by pointing out that he has things to work on, and explaining why he needs to work on them. He also follows through, by taking all of his reps under center as it was a weakness of his. Also, his answers were great about the timing routes and how he needs to get better that way as well.

 

[LHUCKS]

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I’m not a role model.' Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

This is the type of statement that rubs people the wrong way.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I’m not a role model.' Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

This is the type of statement that rubs people the wrong way.

Yes. The kind of people I don't mind being rubbed the wrong way.

 

[doowain]

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I’m not a role model.' Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

This is the type of statement that rubs people the wrong way.

I'm reminded of a comedian's bit where he talks about how in every group of friends, there is that one friend that nobody likes. He goes on to say that "Some of you in the audience are shaking your head as if you disagree....well, [paraphrasing] you're that friend."If you take offense and are rubbed the wrong way about that statement, then clearly he's talking about people like you.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year.

Did I miss something?

Sam Bradford had a successful rookie year. Guys like Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco had successful rookie years.

Playing in 3 meaningless games at the end of the season when your team is eliminated is not really a "successful rookie year".

 

[autotrigger]

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I’m not a role model.' Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

This is the type of statement that rubs people the wrong way.

I'm reminded of a comedian's bit where he talks about how in every group of friends, there is that one friend that nobody likes. He goes on to say that "Some of you in the audience are shaking your head as if you disagree....well, [paraphrasing] you're that friend."If you take offense and are rubbed the wrong way about that statement, then clearly he's talking about people like you.

Exactly. He may rub people the wrong way but its because he is pointing out things that they are doing wrong. People don't like having their flaws outed.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year.

Did I miss something?

Sam Bradford had a successful rookie year. Guys like Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco had successful rookie years.

Playing in 3 meaningless games at the end of the season when your team is eliminated is not really a "successful rookie year".

I am not saying Tebow was in the running for rookie of the year considerations. I am saying that his rookie year was successful for these specific reasons.....First off he was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft, by a guy who has ran some pretty good offenses in the NFL. That is a positive. He then had many nay sayers and doubters that thought and still think he is going to flop, because he won't be able to do what he did in college at the pro level. He did in his rookie year, show he is more than capable of being successful at the NFL level. I will take a highlight film from youtube and highlight things he did well from his rookie year... I have highlighted all the plays of relevance and why he has a chance to build off of his successful rookie year from this clip showing highlights of his whole body of work in 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

PASSING

-Many thought he was not able to make NFL throws...watch the 42 yard sling at the 1:00 to 1:09 second mark of the clip for a td. He has a great play action from under center and leads Gaffney at 1:18 to 1:28 mark. He then fakes the run and nice touch on the pass for a short td at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark. Great play action that catches everyone off guard for the wide open pass to Gaffney at 2:00 to 2:10. Again the fake hand off at 2:10 to 2:19 mark for the throw to a wide open Gaffney. What from the 2:38 mark to 3:00 mark and shows his ability to stand in the pocket and take some hits, and or avoid a hit to get rid of the ball to not take a sack. He throws a laser at the 3:00 to 3:07 mark right on target.

RUSHING

-Many thought he was not going to be able to scramble as well at the NFL level Watch the 49 seconds to 1:00 section of this clip as breaks a long run on the QB draw, for a TD. He reads the bounce outside at the 1:30 to 1:36 mark for a TD. He shows power at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark to drive in for the TD. He shows speed to bounce outside if no holes open up at the 1:50 to 1:59 mark for a TD.

LEADERSHIP

Watch at the end how he lead his team to a win against Houston and the energy that the team and fans have from him. He has that "it" factor.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year.

Did I miss something?

Sam Bradford had a successful rookie year. Guys like Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco had successful rookie years.

Playing in 3 meaningless games at the end of the season when your team is eliminated is not really a "successful rookie year".

I am not saying Tebow was in the running for rookie of the year considerations. I am saying that his rookie year was successful for these specific reasons.....First off he was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft, by a guy who has ran some pretty good offenses in the NFL. That is a positive. He then had many nay sayers and doubters that thought and still think he is going to flop, because he won't be able to do what he did in college at the pro levels. He did in his rookie year, show he is more than capable of being successful at the NFL level. I will take a highlight film from youtube and highlight things he did well from his rookie year... I have highlighted all the plays of relevance and why he has a chance to build off of his successful rookie year from this clip showing highlights of thehis whole body of work in 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

PASSING

-Many thought he was not able to make NFL throws...watch the 42 yard sling at the 1:00 to 1:09 second mark of the clip for a td. He has a great play action from under center and leads Gaffney at 1:18 to 1:28 mark. He then fakes the run and nice touch on the pass for a short td at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark. Great play action that catches everyone off guard for the wide open pass to Gaffney at 2:00 to 2:10. Again the fake hand off at 2:10 to 2:19 mark for the throw to a wide open Gaffney. What from the 2:38 mark to 3:00 mark and shows his ability to stand in the pocket and take some hits, and or avoid a hit to get rid of the ball to not take a sack. He throws a laser at the 3:00 to 3:07 mark right on target.

RUSHING

-Many thought he was not going to be able to scramble as well at the NFL level Watch the 49 seconds to 1:00 section of this clip as breaks a long run on the QB draw, for a TD. He reads the bounce outside at the 1:30 to 1:36 mark for a TD. He shows power at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark to drive in for the TD. He shows speed to bounce outside if no holes open up at the 1:50 to 1:59 mark for a TD.

LEADERSHIP

Watch at the end how he lead his team to a win against Houston and the energy that the team and fans have from him. He has that "it" factor.

So he had an "extremely successful rookie season" due to a few snippets from some highlights. Gotcha. A few highlights does not outweigh the fact he only started 3 games, and they were when the Broncos were already eliminated.

If you want to say he showed some promise, then I could agree, but to broadly say he had a successful season due to a couple of highlights is about as weak as it comes.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I guess you can call it promise if you like however.......

What are your standards for a successful rookie season for an NFL qb? Must start x amount of games? Most throw x amount of td's? etc

I think you can look at successful seasons for players in different ways. Tebow who had many questions heading into the season and who many thought would not start a game let alone play well when he got chances did exactly the opposite and proved he could play and play very well. I see that as not only promise but as successful.

 

[ffldrew]

I guess you can call it promise if you like however.......What are your standards for a successful rookie season for an NFL qb? Must start x amount of games? Most throw x amount of td's? etcI think you can look at successful seasons for players in different ways. Tebow who had many questions heading into the season and who many thought would not start a game let alone play well when he got chances did exactly the opposite and proved he could play and play very well. I see that as not only promise but as successful.

I think he stated Sam Bradford - that was a successful season...Tebow's was not. I want him to do well as a Bronco fan but lets be realistic - he was serviceable. He's got promise, I like that he is working on things, but he showed he has a way's to go to be a factor week in and out - he's not going to be playing the Houston Defense every week this year.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Not only do I think he will be successful, I hope he will be successful.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the successful rookie season comparisions are idiotic when talking about Bradford, Ryan, etc....the situation is completley different....of course they had better "fantasy statistical seasons"....because they played more games....

if all we are worried about is what they did overall of course those guys were better....but this hobby is about looking forward....

one could say let's project Tebow's 3 game performance over a 16 game season....then what you got...?...

I'll tell ya....the #1 fantasy QB heading into 2011......

are you going to take him #1....hell no....but let's not pretend the dude can't play.....call them "meaningless" games all you want.....there were a bunch of players on those teams still trying to win games and get contracts...

Tebow competes...and he will compete at this level....don't draft him...and enjoy playing him when he is in your opponents lineup.....

edit: cause I shouldn't post when I have been drinking

 

[cvnpoka]

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'I’m not a role model.' Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

This is the type of statement that rubs people the wrong way.

I'm reminded of a comedian's bit where he talks about how in every group of friends, there is that one friend that nobody likes. He goes on to say that "Some of you in the audience are shaking your head as if you disagree....well, [paraphrasing] you're that friend."If you take offense and are rubbed the wrong way about that statement, then clearly he's talking about people like you.

Exactly. He may rub people the wrong way but its because he is pointing out things that they are doing wrong. People don't like having their flaws outed.

right, anyone thats not a holier than thou christian is doing it wrong.

 

[BRONG]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year.

Did I miss something?

Sam Bradford had a successful rookie year. Guys like Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco had successful rookie years.

Playing in 3 meaningless games at the end of the season when your team is eliminated is not really a "successful rookie year".

I am not saying Tebow was in the running for rookie of the year considerations. I am saying that his rookie year was successful for these specific reasons.....First off he was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft, by a guy who has ran some pretty good offenses in the NFL. That is a positive. He then had many nay sayers and doubters that thought and still think he is going to flop, because he won't be able to do what he did in college at the pro level. He did in his rookie year, show he is more than capable of being successful at the NFL level. I will take a highlight film from youtube and highlight things he did well from his rookie year... I have highlighted all the plays of relevance and why he has a chance to build off of his successful rookie year from this clip showing highlights of his whole body of work in 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

PASSING

-Many thought he was not able to make NFL throws...watch the 42 yard sling at the 1:00 to 1:09 second mark of the clip for a td. He has a great play action from under center and leads Gaffney at 1:18 to 1:28 mark. He then fakes the run and nice touch on the pass for a short td at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark. Great play action that catches everyone off guard for the wide open pass to Gaffney at 2:00 to 2:10. Again the fake hand off at 2:10 to 2:19 mark for the throw to a wide open Gaffney. What from the 2:38 mark to 3:00 mark and shows his ability to stand in the pocket and take some hits, and or avoid a hit to get rid of the ball to not take a sack. He throws a laser at the 3:00 to 3:07 mark right on target.

RUSHING

-Many thought he was not going to be able to scramble as well at the NFL level Watch the 49 seconds to 1:00 section of this clip as breaks a long run on the QB draw, for a TD. He reads the bounce outside at the 1:30 to 1:36 mark for a TD. He shows power at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark to drive in for the TD. He shows speed to bounce outside if no holes open up at the 1:50 to 1:59 mark for a TD.

LEADERSHIP

Watch at the end how he lead his team to a win against Houston and the energy that the team and fans have from him. He has that "it" factor.

Wow, that is one hell of a backtrack. What'd that take, 30 minutes?

 

[gebz306]

He will undoubtedly be on my start 1qb 1 Super Flex leagues... bank on it... He kinda reminds me of Garrard... Ugly, but at the end of the year, he puts up consistant stats

 

[FantasyTrader]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year.

Did I miss something?

Sam Bradford had a successful rookie year. Guys like Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco had successful rookie years.

Playing in 3 meaningless games at the end of the season when your team is eliminated is not really a "successful rookie year".

I am not saying Tebow was in the running for rookie of the year considerations. I am saying that his rookie year was successful for these specific reasons.....First off he was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft, by a guy who has ran some pretty good offenses in the NFL. That is a positive. He then had many nay sayers and doubters that thought and still think he is going to flop, because he won't be able to do what he did in college at the pro level. He did in his rookie year, show he is more than capable of being successful at the NFL level. I will take a highlight film from youtube and highlight things he did well from his rookie year... I have highlighted all the plays of relevance and why he has a chance to build off of his successful rookie year from this clip showing highlights of his whole body of work in 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

PASSING

-Many thought he was not able to make NFL throws...watch the 42 yard sling at the 1:00 to 1:09 second mark of the clip for a td. He has a great play action from under center and leads Gaffney at 1:18 to 1:28 mark. He then fakes the run and nice touch on the pass for a short td at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark. Great play action that catches everyone off guard for the wide open pass to Gaffney at 2:00 to 2:10. Again the fake hand off at 2:10 to 2:19 mark for the throw to a wide open Gaffney. What from the 2:38 mark to 3:00 mark and shows his ability to stand in the pocket and take some hits, and or avoid a hit to get rid of the ball to not take a sack. He throws a laser at the 3:00 to 3:07 mark right on target.

RUSHING

-Many thought he was not going to be able to scramble as well at the NFL level Watch the 49 seconds to 1:00 section of this clip as breaks a long run on the QB draw, for a TD. He reads the bounce outside at the 1:30 to 1:36 mark for a TD. He shows power at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark to drive in for the TD. He shows speed to bounce outside if no holes open up at the 1:50 to 1:59 mark for a TD.

LEADERSHIP

Watch at the end how he lead his team to a win against Houston and the energy that the team and fans have from him. He has that "it" factor.

Wow, that is one hell of a backtrack. What'd that take, 30 minutes?

Didn't sound like a backtrack to me. Sounds like an organized, thoughful response to the argument that Tebow didn't have a successful rookie year. The argument being the sheer fact that Tebow only started three games means his rookie year COULDN'T be successful. I'd disagree. It's an extremely small sample size, yes. But I don't think it's much of a debate that the three games he did start were successful (by rookie standards). That's all we have to judge him on at this point.

 

[LHUCKS]

"I get sick when I hear athletes say 'Im not a role model.' Yes you are. Youre just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow speaking to a group of students

This is the type of statement that rubs people the wrong way.

I'm reminded of a comedian's bit where he talks about how in every group of friends, there is that one friend that nobody likes. He goes on to say that "Some of you in the audience are shaking your head as if you disagree....well, [paraphrasing] you're that friend."If you take offense and are rubbed the wrong way about that statement, then clearly he's talking about people like you.

Exactly. He may rub people the wrong way but its because he is pointing out things that they are doing wrong. People don't like having their flaws outed.

Um, no. People can have differing opinions on various topics. To assert that all pro athletes are role models is ridiculous IMHO. He comes off as a jackass here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

To assert that all pro athletes are role models is ridiculous IMHO. He comes off as a jackass here.

You're just really, really wrong.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

In his 3 games last year...

He could have looked lost and inept. He didn't

The "NFL" game speed could have been too fast for him yet. It wasn't.

He could have cowered and broken under the pressure. Instead he led a football team.

He had very little experience, wasn't running the whole playbook, and was thrust into the starting role less than a year after being drafted and signed.

Maybe he wasn't superman, but it could have been one hell of a lot worse. He put up decent numbers. In Oakland he only attempted 16 passes, but getting your first start in the Black Hole against one of your worst rivals is a daunting task.

He bounced back next game beating Houston, throwing for 300 yards and landing a respectable 89.4 QB rating.

His final game was against a far superior SD team, and he managed 3 total TDs and kept the game close.

In each of his starts Denver put up at least 23 points. These are not 0 TD stinkers, or 1 TD and 2-3 FG games.

Apparently he's working with Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney, doing passing drills, and in his 2nd year he is organizing team workouts since there are no OTAs, and reaching out to incoming rookies.

This is definitely the kind of football player you want to hand the reins of your team over to.

 

[doowain]

In his 3 games last year... He could have looked lost and inept. He didn'tThe "NFL" game speed could have been too fast for him yet. It wasn't.He could have cowered and broken under the pressure. Instead he led a football team.He had very little experience, wasn't running the whole playbook, and was thrust into the starting role less than a year after being drafted and signed.Maybe he wasn't superman, but it could have been one hell of a lot worse. He put up decent numbers. In Oakland he only attempted 16 passes, but getting your first start in the Black Hole against one of your worst rivals is a daunting task.He bounced back next game beating Houston, throwing for 300 yards and landing a respectable 89.4 QB rating.His final game was against a far superior SD team, and he managed 3 total TDs and kept the game close.In each of his starts Denver put up at least 23 points. These are not 0 TD stinkers, or 1 TD and 2-3 FG games.Apparently he's working with Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney, doing passing drills, and in his 2nd year he is organizing team workouts since there are no OTAs, and reaching out to incoming rookies.This is definitely the kind of football player you want to hand the reins of your team over to.

 

[BRONG]

Count me into the camp that thinks this guy has the talent and work ethic to be successful.

He had an extremely successful rookie year.

Did I miss something?

Sam Bradford had a successful rookie year. Guys like Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco had successful rookie years.

Playing in 3 meaningless games at the end of the season when your team is eliminated is not really a "successful rookie year".

I am not saying Tebow was in the running for rookie of the year considerations. I am saying that his rookie year was successful for these specific reasons.....First off he was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft, by a guy who has ran some pretty good offenses in the NFL. That is a positive. He then had many nay sayers and doubters that thought and still think he is going to flop, because he won't be able to do what he did in college at the pro level. He did in his rookie year, show he is more than capable of being successful at the NFL level. I will take a highlight film from youtube and highlight things he did well from his rookie year... I have highlighted all the plays of relevance and why he has a chance to build off of his successful rookie year from this clip showing highlights of his whole body of work in 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1zHpeBeZM

PASSING

-Many thought he was not able to make NFL throws...watch the 42 yard sling at the 1:00 to 1:09 second mark of the clip for a td. He has a great play action from under center and leads Gaffney at 1:18 to 1:28 mark. He then fakes the run and nice touch on the pass for a short td at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark. Great play action that catches everyone off guard for the wide open pass to Gaffney at 2:00 to 2:10. Again the fake hand off at 2:10 to 2:19 mark for the throw to a wide open Gaffney. What from the 2:38 mark to 3:00 mark and shows his ability to stand in the pocket and take some hits, and or avoid a hit to get rid of the ball to not take a sack. He throws a laser at the 3:00 to 3:07 mark right on target.

RUSHING

-Many thought he was not going to be able to scramble as well at the NFL level Watch the 49 seconds to 1:00 section of this clip as breaks a long run on the QB draw, for a TD. He reads the bounce outside at the 1:30 to 1:36 mark for a TD. He shows power at the 1:39 to 1:45 mark to drive in for the TD. He shows speed to bounce outside if no holes open up at the 1:50 to 1:59 mark for a TD.

LEADERSHIP

Watch at the end how he lead his team to a win against Houston and the energy that the team and fans have from him. He has that "it" factor.

Wow, that is one hell of a backtrack. What'd that take, 30 minutes?

Didn't sound like a backtrack to me. Sounds like an organized, thoughful response to the argument that Tebow didn't have a successful rookie year. The argument being the sheer fact that Tebow only started three games means his rookie year COULDN'T be successful. I'd disagree. It's an extremely small sample size, yes. But I don't think it's much of a debate that the three games he did start were successful (by rookie standards). That's all we have to judge him on at this point.

"He had an EXTREMELY successful rookie YEAR."Um, no, he didn't.

The poster found ways to maneuver around the initial statement is all...yippee.

 

[Donsmith753]

Success is relative, and relative to expectations Tim Tebow had a successful rookie year.

 

[LawFitz]

I think it was extremely successful, relative to expectations.

 

[cvnpoka]

To assert that all pro athletes are role models is ridiculous IMHO. He comes off as a jackass here.

You're just really, really wrong.

afaik, there is not clause in these guys contracts requiring them to be "good role models." until there is, ima go with lhucks here.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

To assert that all pro athletes are role models is ridiculous IMHO. He comes off as a jackass here.

You're just really, really wrong.

afaik, there is not clause in these guys contracts requiring them to be "good role models." until there is, ima go with lhucks here.

And I'll go with Andy.Anytime you're a high profile public figure there is a good chance people try and emulate you in some way. It's not a position you apply for, its part of the responsibility that comes with being a highly paid television personality, in the public spotlight, playing in games, on sports center etc. Now more than ever the media is inescapable with mobile phones with cameras, twitter, anything and everything many of these players do is subject to public scrutiny immediately. Its not something you choose to do, it's something you become when you sign that contract.

To the whole "I am not a role model" argument- well yeah you're correct, you're not a role model, you're an #######, but like it or not some little kid has your sneakers/jersey/poster and is going to think anything and everything you do is "gangsta" because he worships you. Just attempts to avoid personal responsibility in our society.

 

[cvnpoka]

Just attempts to avoid personal responsibility in our society.

agreed, we just differ on the party. im gonna go with parents, family, teachers and kids themselves.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Just attempts to avoid personal responsibility in our society.

agreed, we just differ on the party. im gonna go with parents, family, teachers and kids themselves.

But what about when there is no daddy, because he left home when the kid was 2 and the classroom is so overcrowded that the teacher can't deal much with the kids on a 1v1 basis because they're way overwhelmed?It's true that family and school should play the #1 role in shaping a young person's life, but the reality is that families are often single parent families now. A single income household with one parent often working 2-3 jobs to keep a roof over their heads.And how do you teach morality in schools now? The ACLU comes after you if you try. Furthermore its not the schools job to really parent a kid.So in this less than perfect time, where families are often single parent/single income ones, and schools are overcrowded and handicapped as far as what they can teach, you have an entire generation of kids growing up and learning to emulate either Jersey Shore, Skins and other vacuous MTV garbage, or professional athletes and Hollywood figures. TV is the babysitter now. Kids imitate what they see, especially on TV, where the "cool" people are. So whether people like it or not, they're being emulated. And often times the idiots get all the air time, Sheen, Vince Young, Pac Man Jones, Lawrence Taylor, the Jersey Shore crew, because it sells. Well it also allows little kids to think their behavior is normal and acceptable.If there was a show about a working class couple in the suburb of a city that was just barely getting by, living a normal life, trying to bring up their kids, church on sundays, little league, pee wee football, helping their kids with their homework, denying themselves a lot of the pleasures of life to provide for their kids, working long hours, and having a good relationship, it would get canceled. Why? Because it's not F-ed up enough to sell. People in this country love a circus. They love Sheen. They love the completely empty, unintelligent and nauseating hedonism of the Jersey Shore. They love reality TV full of extremely damaged and imbalanced individuals. They love selfish and extravagant athletes. There are no reality TV shows about an offensive linemen that makes veteran minimum and has a family, a couple kids and just does his job every day. Only about idiot, bipolar WRs that do situps in their driveway and destroy and divide locker rooms and teams.If I was a parent and I had a girl, and she grew up to be like Kim Kardashian, prostituting herself for fame and being completely self obsessed, fame and money hungry, then I'd feel like a failure as a parent, especially when I didn't take the time to raise her. If I just parked her in front of the TV so she could watch "Keeping up with the Kardashians," then I would be a bad parent. However many parents don't have a choice, as they work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet.If I had a son and he thought that being a selfish ####### who evades responsibility, and can't fit into a "team" because TO was his favorite athlete, then I'd be pretty disappointed about it. A lot of the athletes glorified in the media for the exact opposite reasons that we start little kids into youth sports. We start them into youth sports to develop good relationships with team mates, build character, learn how to win/lose with class, learn how to overcome obstacles, learn how to work as a team to meet challenges, learn how to help one another, to develop a sense of belonging in a community, to have pride in hard work and team work. But many times the public figures that are just out of control get most of the air time, because it sells to our sick society. Little kids don't know any better, and they process and emulate behavior that they see.Obviously TO and Kim K are just 2 examples out of many that I could use, but they're the most glaring ones to me right now. There's VY, LT, Pac Man Jones, Ray Lewis (people forget hes a murderer) Marvin Harrison, Plaxico- hell there's a new one every day.As soon as you sign that contract, that endorsement deal, you get your own shoe, your highlights on ESPN, everything you do is now public domain. And whether you like it or not, little kids with no guidance are watching you, and thinking everything you do is "cool," and often times there's no one there to tell them otherwise./endrant

 

[Go deep]

In his 3 games last year... He could have looked lost and inept. He didn'tThe "NFL" game speed could have been too fast for him yet. It wasn't.He could have cowered and broken under the pressure. Instead he led a football team.He had very little experience, wasn't running the whole playbook, and was thrust into the starting role less than a year after being drafted and signed.Maybe he wasn't superman, but it could have been one hell of a lot worse. He put up decent numbers. In Oakland he only attempted 16 passes, but getting your first start in the Black Hole against one of your worst rivals is a daunting task.He bounced back next game beating Houston, throwing for 300 yards and landing a respectable 89.4 QB rating.His final game was against a far superior SD team, and he managed 3 total TDs and kept the game close.In each of his starts Denver put up at least 23 points. These are not 0 TD stinkers, or 1 TD and 2-3 FG games.Apparently he's working with Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney, doing passing drills, and in his 2nd year he is organizing team workouts since there are no OTAs, and reaching out to incoming rookies.This is definitely the kind of football player you want to hand the reins of your team over to.

You might want to look at Tebows numbers when games where close. He didnt do anything in the Raiders or Chargers games until the Broncos were already out of the game. He certainly didnt keep the Chargers game close, he took advantage of a prevent defense after the Chargers had the game in hand. His QB rating in the first half of games was 66.9 compared to 91.3 in the 2nd half, conicidence, i dont think so. Theres nothing really wrong with that for fantasy owners as points are points, but i wouldnt want to depend on my QB's team getting blown out for him to get fantasy points every week(or play the Texans).

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

In his 3 games last year... He could have looked lost and inept. He didn'tThe "NFL" game speed could have been too fast for him yet. It wasn't.He could have cowered and broken under the pressure. Instead he led a football team.He had very little experience, wasn't running the whole playbook, and was thrust into the starting role less than a year after being drafted and signed.Maybe he wasn't superman, but it could have been one hell of a lot worse. He put up decent numbers. In Oakland he only attempted 16 passes, but getting your first start in the Black Hole against one of your worst rivals is a daunting task.He bounced back next game beating Houston, throwing for 300 yards and landing a respectable 89.4 QB rating.His final game was against a far superior SD team, and he managed 3 total TDs and kept the game close.In each of his starts Denver put up at least 23 points. These are not 0 TD stinkers, or 1 TD and 2-3 FG games.Apparently he's working with Brandon Lloyd and Jabar Gaffney, doing passing drills, and in his 2nd year he is organizing team workouts since there are no OTAs, and reaching out to incoming rookies.This is definitely the kind of football player you want to hand the reins of your team over to.

You might want to look at Tebows numbers when games where close. He didnt do anything in the Raiders or Chargers games until the Broncos were already out of the game. He certainly didnt keep the Chargers game close, he took advantage of a prevent defense after the Chargers had the game in hand. His QB rating in the first half of games was 66.9 compared to 91.3 on the 2nd half, conicidence, i dont think so. Theres nothing really wrong with that for fantasy owners as points are points, but i wouldnt want to depend on my QB's team getting blown out for him to get fantasy points every week(or play the Texans).

Fair enough, but if they try and run the ball and control the game tempo, and don't let him throw it until the second half, that's not a knock on him, that's just just how they game planned. When they did allow him to try and make plays, he put points up. SD had one of the best defenses in the league last year, and he was a rookie QB and still accounted for 3 scores. If they ran the ball in the first half, hoping the game didn't get out of control, and let him throw in the second half because they were behind, that's not Tebow's fault. Denver sucks, lets not be forgetting that point.In the Oakland game, his first NFL start, in a very hostile situation, he only thew the ball 16 times, but still put up decent points, even if it was in the 2nd half. This is not an insignificant feat.

 

[cvnpoka]

i like how you place the blame on the person, rather than the network and programers that promote them.