RB RJ Harvey, DEN (3 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That backfield is suddenly very messy.

From the coachspeak about Estime, the presence of McLaughlin, and now Dobbins, wonder where Harvey’s ADP will be in upcoming rookie drafts?

I’m probably going to avoid that RB room in redraft. Might fire a late dart in BB leagues.

 

[Soulfly3]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

 

[warpig33]

When it comes to Payton, do the opposite of what he says. Dude speaks so much poo his breath smells like literal crap. He obviously signed Dobbins to give more snaps to McLaughlin.

 

[Football Jones]

You had to like the landing spot on the surface, but Harvey is one of those guys who I wasn't seeing what a lot of FFers were seeing as far as his ceiling. There seems to be a RB or two every year where my evaluation doesn't jive with consensus. Harvey was one of those guys for several reasons. For one, I essentially disregarded what Payton had to say about him. I've heard so much Joker talk that it just doesn't mean much at this point. Another reason is in this day and age of specialization, a late 2nd-rounder doesn't necessarily mean he was drafted to be a feature back. Mostly, though, I don't see high-end talent with my eyeballs, albeit, Harvey is certainly a good prospect.

Could Harvey still be worth his ADP? Sure. The story isn't written yet, but I don't like his odds to be a long-term FF stud. The Dobbins signing certainly doesn't help his cause, either.

 

[Football Jones]

Also, Dobbins' contract isn't exactly chump change for a RB. It was about what Najee signed for. Even if Dobbins doesn't work out, there's a good chance Harvey will always have some legit competition to deal with.

Payton may view Harvey more as a 1B/3rd down back/COP-type and he could be very valuable in that role in the NFL. Not exactly what you want if you're spending a 1st on him in FF, though.

 

[ghostguy123]

Bad for Harvey's value

 

[efactor]

Also, Dobbins' contract isn't exactly chump change for a RB. It was about what Najee signed for.

Well, Najee’s contract is way better. Pretty sure Najee’s guarantee is what Dobbins max is. Plus Najee has some incentives too. Probably won’t most of them with Hampton around barring injury.

 

[Dez]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

 

[Dez]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

Smitty and Jeff Mann's said to take him at the 1.03 maybe even 1.02 if you wanted to.

 

[Dez]

Also, Dobbins' contract isn't exactly chump change for a RB. It was about what Najee signed for. Even if Dobbins doesn't work out, there's a good chance Harvey will always have some legit competition to deal with.

Payton may view Harvey more as a 1B/3rd down back/COP-type and he could be very valuable in that role in the NFL. Not exactly what you want if you're spending a 1st on him in FF, though.

Najee 5.25 GTD and 4 Mill incentives (which will be hard to reach now that Hampton is there)

Dobbins 2.745 and 2.5 Mill incentives (no clue what they are)

 

[Soulfly3]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

I have no problem with him being taken at 1.07 later, really...

But I got crapped in here for laughing post-draft when people were putting him at top 2-3 RBs because of his landing spot. Apparently I was "wrong" when I said no one was mentioning his name whatsoever pre-draft and now he's suddenly a stud worthy of 1.03...

 

[zeeshan2]

Bad for Harvey's value

and he's already 24

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

I have no problem with him being taken at 1.07 later, really...

But I got crapped in here for laughing post-draft when people were putting him at top 2-3 RBs because of his landing spot. Apparently I was "wrong" when I said no one was mentioning his name whatsoever pre-draft and now he's suddenly a stud worthy of 1.03...

I guess if you need an RB that badly but then you are not taking BPA, which is the only rule I have in rookie drafts.

I believe @JohnnyU said it is a marathon and not a sprint - good words to live by. I am not looking for a dart throw in the 3rd round with a 2 year ROI. If you take the BPA, you will get production and can sell them or another player at a position of depth to acquire the position of need.

I have Kaleb Johnson and RJ Harvey pretty closely ranked - with Kaleb probably edging out Harvey, because I like Kaleb as a prospect more than I like Harvey as a prospect. Conversely, I hate the situation Kaleb was drafted into. I hate Arthur Smith. I hate the resurrection of Jaylen Warren every year.

Assuming Jeanty, Hunter, McMillan, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins are all gone - I would rather have Egbuka, Burden, Loveland, Warren and Kaleb over RJ Harvey. I guess that puts him at #12 for me - right in line with where @Dez drafted him.

 

[Ilov80s]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

 

[Gally]

I believe @JohnnyU said it is a marathon and not a sprint

I actually think it is more like the 800m. It's a long sprint.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I took him at 1.8 over Johnson. I tried to trade up to get Henderson but was outbid. I'm not THAT worried about the Dobbins signing. It just means that I (and we us Harvey owners) need to temper our expectations at least for this year. I don't think you take an RB in the 2nd round and expect him to be a long term backup.

 

[BigTex]

I’m grabbing him when I can, no need to over-think this.

Tex

 

[menobrown]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

Honestly it goes back earlier, I was super high on Kamara when he came into the league because of how he used Sproles and Reggie which just showed you could be a fantasy RB1 in his offense without getting 10 carries a game.

Harvey is more difficult for me to get a read on then AK thought because he’s more potential/project in the passing game whereas Kamara was an elite prospect in that regard. To me the bigger question to answer than who he shares the backfield with has always been how close can Harvey get to those other 3 RB's in the receiving game then whoever he shares the backfield with because in a Payton offense it was always likely to be a heavy division of labor with his backfield and the easiest way to overcome this and still be highly valued in fantasy is by catching a lot of passes.

As I think I might have said a lot around here his 3 best fantasy RB's all scored more points in the receiving game then as rushers.

 

[TheWinz]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

Honestly it goes back earlier, I was super high on Kamara when he came into the league because of how he used Sproles and Reggie which just showed you could be a fantasy RB1 in his offense without getting 10 carries a game.

Harvey is more difficult for me to get a read on then AK thought because he’s more potential/project in the passing game whereas Kamara was an elite prospect in that regard. To me the bigger question to answer than who he shares the backfield with has always been how close can Harvey get to those other 3 RB's in the receiving game then whoever he shares the backfield with because in a Payton offense it was always likely to be a heavy division of labor with his backfield and the easiest way to overcome this and still be highly valued in fantasy is by catching a lot of passes.

As I think I might have said a lot around here his 3 best fantasy RB's all scored more points in the receiving game then as rushers.

Well said. Payton had the luxury of Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, and Alvin Kamara in his 15 yrs in New Orleans.