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RB RJ Harvey, DEN (1 Viewer)

Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway
 
Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway

my thought is that when he's WR, he's the primary.

I'm sure they'd love to play him 100%/100%, but what kind of condition is he in to play that much?

I think they start him 30/70 and increase it as he PROVES he can handle the workload.
 
Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway
Yeah, I can’t even imagine they traded up and paid that much to put him at DB primarily. It also directly contradicts what they’ve hinted at so far.
 
Why are we having an in depth on Travis Hunter in the RJ Harvey Bar thread?
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-I know you dynasty heads are discussing rookie draft picks and where guys need to be slotted and that's why I make a big REDRAFT disclaimer to start my post on the last page
Proves my point during redraft season which is set to kick off in about 2-3 weeks

-As an aside, Harvey is an older RB entering the league, it's totally possible Denver drafts another talented RB in the 1st 3 rounds in '26, I'm not naive
But let's focus on 2025, arrow pointing up i would say
 
Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway
I believe NFL teams value the CB position over WR. It’s fantasy football that does the opposite.
 
Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway
I believe NFL teams value the CB position over WR. It’s fantasy football that does the opposite.

Then why do the best wr make so much more money?
 
Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway
I believe NFL teams value the CB position over WR. It’s fantasy football that does the opposite.
I don't think the contract data matches that idea.
 
Not sure over Hunter is "insane". Remember, Brian Thomas is there, plus there's a real chance his snaps are limited, or even made full time DB
What odds do you put on him being a full time DB? They only have 1 other WR who is starter quality — B Thomas.

30% wr 70% db
Man, it's just hard for me to believe that the Jags gave up pick 36 this year plus a 1st next year to move up 3 spots and pick a guy who is going to play mainly DB. Especially since that 1st next year has a decent chance of being a top 10 pick. He better be Deion Sanders good as a DB to justify that.

But also hard for me to believe they did this deal to play him primarily as a WR. Is he that much better than McMillen as a WR?

I would guess it's more 70 percent WR and 30 percent DB. Will be fun to watch anyway
I believe NFL teams value the CB position over WR. It’s fantasy football that does the opposite.
Based on what?

Certainly not 1st round draft capital, especially recently. Since 2020, 29 WRs have gone in the first round vs 24 CBs. Add in the fact that WRs are paid more on their 2nd contracts, WRs seem like they are more valued.

Jags came out and said Hunter would be primarily a WR. I doubt they give up that much draft capital to take him if he was going to be primarily a CB. IMO they overpaid unless he is going to play full time on both sides, which most think is unreasonable in the NFL, but will be fun to watch it play out.
 
Payton is now hyping Estime, lol. Dude is a notorious hyper-upper with the Joker stuff.

Every year there seems to be a RB who I'm quite a bit lower on than consensus and Harvey looks like that guy this season. Don't get me wrong...Harvey is a decent pick around where he's going in rookie drafts, but this is the age of specialization. Late 2nd round draft status doesn't necessarily mean Payton has feature back plans for Harvey despite the hypeman routine.

Harvey will likely get plenty of touches this season, but I have huge reservations about him being a long-term FF stud.
 
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Payton is now hyping Estime, lol. Dude is a notorious hyper-upper with the Joker stuff.

Every year there seems to be a RB who I'm quite a bit lower on than consensus and Harvey looks like that guy this season. Don't get me wrong...Harvey is a decent pick around where he's going in rookie drafts, but this is the age of specialization. Late 2nd round draft status doesn't necessarily mean Payton has feature back plans for Harvey despite the hypeman routine.

Harvey will likely get plenty of touches this season, but I have huge reservations about him being a long-term FF stud.

Rotowire
Broncos head coach Sean Payton said Thursday that Estime is a "back that requires enough touches" and "just didn't have enough as a rookie," but is "going to get those opportunities" during the 2025 season

Who knows what to expect ... but RB Duo until 1 gets hurt or hot?
 
Actual Article words:

Returning running backs Jaleel McLaughlin and Audric Estime got the front-end of rushing reps Thursday with second-round rookie RJ Harvey getting his share of catches. Estime had a couple nice games last season as a fifth-round rookie, particularly at Kansas City, but otherwise he didn’t get much action. That should change in 2025.

“Year 2 for him. Just running style and his physicality, the things that got him drafted,’’ Payton said. “A little bit harder for him last year—for a handful of these guys. I don’t want to say the grade was incomplete, but they just didn’t have enough (carries). He’s a back that requires enough touches. He’s going to get those opportunities.”

As for Harvey, he got a quick endorsement from his quarterback.
“It's hard to tell with shorts and a T-shirt what it’s like running the ball with no pads, but that's obviously why we got him,’’ Bo Nix said. “You know he can run the ball, but I think it's the other things that he's showing. Just the routes, suddenness and quickness in his hands. I think all that's really good to see, but he's a great guy, first and foremost, then I think it’s going to translate for him being a successful player.”
Take from it what you will
 
Payton is now hyping Estime, lol. Dude is a notorious hyper-upper with the Joker stuff.

Every year there seems to be a RB who I'm quite a bit lower on than consensus and Harvey looks like that guy this season. Don't get me wrong...Harvey is a decent pick around where he's going in rookie drafts, but this is the age of specialization. Late 2nd round draft status doesn't necessarily mean Payton has feature back plans for Harvey despite the hypeman routine.

Harvey will likely get plenty of touches this season, but I have huge reservations about him being a long-term FF stud.
I think this is gonna end up a draft capital be damned rookie draft at RB. I think the RBs who went in round 4 could absolutely be better than the ones who went in round 2, including the for the team who double dipped in both rounds (Browns with Judkins/Sampson)

Personally, I think the Denver offense is a little overrated off the Payton expectation. Not saying it will be a bad offense, but I think people are expecting a leap that just doesn't happen.
 
Payton is now hyping Estime, lol. Dude is a notorious hyper-upper with the Joker stuff.

Every year there seems to be a RB who I'm quite a bit lower on than consensus and Harvey looks like that guy this season. Don't get me wrong...Harvey is a decent pick around where he's going in rookie drafts, but this is the age of specialization. Late 2nd round draft status doesn't necessarily mean Payton has feature back plans for Harvey despite the hypeman routine.

Harvey will likely get plenty of touches this season, but I have huge reservations about him being a long-term FF stud.
I think this is gonna end up a draft capital be damned rookie draft at RB. I think the RBs who went in round 4 could absolutely be better than the ones who went in round 2, including the for the team who double dipped in both rounds (Browns with Judkins/Sampson)

Personally, I think the Denver offense is a little overrated off the Payton expectation. Not saying it will be a bad offense, but I think people are expecting a leap that just doesn't happen.
Yeah, a lot depends on Nix. Everyone is expecting him to take the leap to the next level and that's far from certain.
 
Payton is now hyping Estime, lol. Dude is a notorious hyper-upper with the Joker stuff.

Every year there seems to be a RB who I'm quite a bit lower on than consensus and Harvey looks like that guy this season. Don't get me wrong...Harvey is a decent pick around where he's going in rookie drafts, but this is the age of specialization. Late 2nd round draft status doesn't necessarily mean Payton has feature back plans for Harvey despite the hypeman routine.

Harvey will likely get plenty of touches this season, but I have huge reservations about him being a long-term FF stud.

Rotowire
Broncos head coach Sean Payton said Thursday that Estime is a "back that requires enough touches" and "just didn't have enough as a rookie," but is "going to get those opportunities" during the 2025 season

Who knows what to expect ... but RB Duo until 1 gets hurt or hot?
Yeah, lots of ways this could work out. It'll be one of the more closely watched backfields in the league, along with the Cowboys.
 
Move over Audric, es time for Harvey! It sounds like Payton was coach speaking when it came to Estime. Harvey seems to be the Chosen One.
 
John Frascella (Football)
I’ve been grinding videos for 72 hours straight and Broncos RB RJ Harvey is the most impressive player I’ve seen in rookie camps… his jump cut left is blinding, pure agility and quickness

Zack Kelberman
RJ Harvey is so smooth, man.

Ray G
RJ Harvey a great bet to finish as the rookie RB2 in 2025
 
Not comparing the player’s profile, but someone tell me why I’m getting CEH vibes.
How about you tell us.
I can’t, thus the post. I suppose if you held a gun to my head I get the feeling he was taken too early. If that turns out to be true and he’s already 24, it does give me some pause. If he kills it in 2025 then my worry is unwarranted.
Maybe this should scare me Johnny, but I'm kind of with you haha. I do like Harvey a world more than I liked CEH. And I do not think he will ever bust out the way CEH did; even if he doesn't become what everyone hopes, I honestly think he will hold value in dynasty leagues for a number of seasons and will be start-able for owners.

I think where the comp comes in is Harvey was going around pick 30 in rookie drafts in February, going around pick 20 in March and April, and has been going around pick 8 since the NFL draft. Anyone can take this info and tell whatever story they want, and that story can vary from doom and gloom to the rosiest of outlooks. I for one, fall in the middle. But really few of the variations at either end of the spectrum would surprise me if it's how things worked out. RB5 on the season? Sure. RB35 on the season. Yeah that could make sense too.

The late rise, and the fact the late rise was VERY much based on his landing spot, I think is why we get some CEH vibes. Denver was pretty much universally considered the nutted RB landing spot predraft. Again, I was very different on CEH and was dumbfounded at people taking him where they did in rookie drafts near the top of the first round. He had a worse pre-draft profile, and rose to a higher post draft ADP. Harvey at least had a good pre-draft profile and was getting some hype from people already, and he only rose to a late 1st ADP so the risk vs reward feels better for him. But it does still ring a little alarm in my brain. I wound up in a position to take him in two drafts, and wound up taking Kaleb Johnson in one. In the other I had 8 and 10 and took Egbuka 8 and was happy Harvey went 9 so I could take Johnson 10 again.
 
The late rise, and the fact the late rise was VERY much based on his landing spot, I think is why we get some CEH vibes. Denver was pretty much universally considered the nutted RB landing spot predraft. Again, I was very different on CEH and was dumbfounded at people taking him where they did in rookie drafts near the top of the first round. He had a worse pre-draft profile, and rose to a higher post draft ADP. Harvey at least had a good pre-draft profile and was getting some hype from people already, and he only rose to a late 1st ADP so the risk vs reward feels better for him.
Not to get this thread off subject but I have routinely pushed back on the notion that CEH only rose because of draft capital or was not coveted before. Now it was all wrong of course, but that's another subject.

Just looking at FFPC ADP data in March for both of them in a similar format and CEH was getting drafted as RB35 in 7th round range and Harvey was getting drafted as RB55 in the 15th round range.

So when you say CEH had a worst pre-draft profile that's hard for me to agree with.

Other then that I don't see them as similar players in any way or get the same kind of vibe at all. Kind of night and day, biggest similarity is both are short.
 
The late rise, and the fact the late rise was VERY much based on his landing spot, I think is why we get some CEH vibes. Denver was pretty much universally considered the nutted RB landing spot predraft. Again, I was very different on CEH and was dumbfounded at people taking him where they did in rookie drafts near the top of the first round. He had a worse pre-draft profile, and rose to a higher post draft ADP. Harvey at least had a good pre-draft profile and was getting some hype from people already, and he only rose to a late 1st ADP so the risk vs reward feels better for him.
Not to get this thread off subject but I have routinely pushed back on the notion that CEH only rose because of draft capital or was not coveted before. Now it was all wrong of course, but that's another subject.

Just looking at FFPC ADP data in March for both of them in a similar format and CEH was getting drafted as RB35 in 7th round range and Harvey was getting drafted as RB55 in the 15th round range.

So when you say CEH had a worst pre-draft profile that's hard for me to agree with.

Other then that I don't see them as similar players in any way or get the same kind of vibe at all. Kind of night and day, biggest similarity is both are short.
Guess it was just my own bias coming through and should have clarified better. I definitely was much lower on CEH than Harvey predraft; but yeah looking at the site I use to reference MFL draft data you seem right on that. CEH was going higher than Harvey was in Feb/March so seems the community was probably higher on him than Harvey relatively speaking. I'd guess me being so low on him in my own profile of his skills prior to the draft, it likely made his rise seem more off base to me than maybe others felt. Not to pat myself on the back, I've had plenty of terrible calls/predictions too, but it always seemed absolutely wild to me that people were moving him above Dobbins and Taylor. As opposed to Harvey, who predraft I thought was going too low and was a target of mine; and post draft he pretty much landed where I felt he should be valued alongside Kaleb Johnson.

There's no real way for me to prove that both CEH and Harvey shot up draft boards due to their landing spot, but that's 100% what I think and think there is a pretty clear and logical reasoning path to come to that conclusion. Also don't think I'm on any kind of island with that take. It wasn't the only factor, CEHs draft capital obviously also impacted it. But the powerhouse the Chiefs were at that time, a wide open backfield, and what most referred to as a "luxury pick" I think was the MOST impactful of all the factors in his rise. And I think Harvey is much the same from landing in what most considered THE most desirable landing spot. Even in this thread, it feels like there's just as much (if not more) commentary on Sean Payton than Harvey. I think that's a pretty clear indicator people care greatly about the landing spot.

Ultimately, I don't care much about it to debate it, cool with disagreeing. And appreciate you pointing out the consensus ADP was not what I thought it was, should have looked that up before posting. Was just trying to see if that's potentially why JohnnyU was "getting CEH" vibes.
 
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Not comparing the player’s profile, but someone tell me why I’m getting CEH vibes.

In order to acquire CEH in rookie drafts that year, you needed a top 2 pick (including superflex). Harvey has been going in the last half of the first (even in 1 QB), so if he busts, at least the cost to acquire him isn't as steep. That's one way I see him different from CEH (again, not comparing the profiles).

If we're going strictly by draft cost and upside (not profile), I see him as comparable to Achane, in that both he and Harvey went around the same time in rookie drafts, both had concerns that deflated their value (Achane's size, Harvey's age), but both went to successful, offensive-minded coaches who could use them in exciting ways. Harvey could end up completely different from Achane, but I think the "feeling" I got from both guys is very similar.
 
Fortuitus for me, but actually unloaded Harvey early this morning for a '26 late 1st and Guerrendo (I have CMC.) Had no idea the Dobbins signing was happening when I put it out there last night. Better lucky than good sometimes...
 
Fortuitus for me, but actually unloaded Harvey early this morning for a '26 late 1st and Guerrendo (I have CMC.) Had no idea the Dobbins signing was happening when I put it out there last night. Better lucky than good sometimes...
that wouldn't get Harvey from me today
Kind of early for that kind of trade if you believed in him when you drafted. Sometimes second guessing is a weakness and sometimes going down with the ship is a weakness, unless you’re talking about aging past studs. Dynasty is a marathon, not a sprint.
 
I said it over in the Dobbins thread but 55% 30% 15% Harvey/Dobbins/McLaughlin with Estime odd man out. They needed another body pretty bad.
More like 45/40/10/5 Dobbins/Harvey/McLaughlin/Estime
I can see that for week 1.
I see the vet being the main back and Harvey being COP with more receiving touches, The question is how many games Dobbins is healthy.
I never predict injuries, even when we’re talking about someone with as much bad luck that Dobbins has had.
 
I said it over in the Dobbins thread but 55% 30% 15% Harvey/Dobbins/McLaughlin with Estime odd man out. They needed another body pretty bad.
More like 45/40/10/5 Dobbins/Harvey/McLaughlin/Estime
I can see that for week 1.
I see the vet being the main back and Harvey being COP with more receiving touches, The question is how many games Dobbins is healthy.
I never predict injuries, even when we’re talking about someone with as much bad luck that Dobbins has had.
429 carries in 4 years.

I don’t like predicting injury either but sometimes it’s hard to ignore. Maybe this is the year.
 

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