RB RJ Harvey, DEN (5 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That backfield is suddenly very messy.

From the coachspeak about Estime, the presence of McLaughlin, and now Dobbins, wonder where Harvey’s ADP will be in upcoming rookie drafts?

I’m probably going to avoid that RB room in redraft. Might fire a late dart in BB leagues.

 

[Soulfly3]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

 

[warpig33]

When it comes to Payton, do the opposite of what he says. Dude speaks so much poo his breath smells like literal crap. He obviously signed Dobbins to give more snaps to McLaughlin.

 

[Football Jones]

You had to like the landing spot on the surface, but Harvey is one of those guys who I wasn't seeing what a lot of FFers were seeing as far as his ceiling. There seems to be a RB or two every year where my evaluation doesn't jive with consensus. Harvey was one of those guys for several reasons. For one, I essentially disregarded what Payton had to say about him. I've heard so much Joker talk that it just doesn't mean much at this point. Another reason is in this day and age of specialization, a late 2nd-rounder doesn't necessarily mean he was drafted to be a feature back. Mostly, though, I don't see high-end talent with my eyeballs, albeit, Harvey is certainly a good prospect.

Could Harvey still be worth his ADP? Sure. The story isn't written yet, but I don't like his odds to be a long-term FF stud. The Dobbins signing certainly doesn't help his cause, either.

 

[Football Jones]

Also, Dobbins' contract isn't exactly chump change for a RB. It was about what Najee signed for. Even if Dobbins doesn't work out, there's a good chance Harvey will always have some legit competition to deal with.

Payton may view Harvey more as a 1B/3rd down back/COP-type and he could be very valuable in that role in the NFL. Not exactly what you want if you're spending a 1st on him in FF, though.

 

[ghostguy123]

Bad for Harvey's value

 

[efactor]

Also, Dobbins' contract isn't exactly chump change for a RB. It was about what Najee signed for.

Well, Najee’s contract is way better. Pretty sure Najee’s guarantee is what Dobbins max is. Plus Najee has some incentives too. Probably won’t most of them with Hampton around barring injury.

 

[Dez]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

 

[Dez]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

Smitty and Jeff Mann's said to take him at the 1.03 maybe even 1.02 if you wanted to.

 

[Dez]

Also, Dobbins' contract isn't exactly chump change for a RB. It was about what Najee signed for. Even if Dobbins doesn't work out, there's a good chance Harvey will always have some legit competition to deal with.

Payton may view Harvey more as a 1B/3rd down back/COP-type and he could be very valuable in that role in the NFL. Not exactly what you want if you're spending a 1st on him in FF, though.

Najee 5.25 GTD and 4 Mill incentives (which will be hard to reach now that Hampton is there)

Dobbins 2.745 and 2.5 Mill incentives (no clue what they are)

 

[Soulfly3]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

I have no problem with him being taken at 1.07 later, really...

But I got crapped in here for laughing post-draft when people were putting him at top 2-3 RBs because of his landing spot. Apparently I was "wrong" when I said no one was mentioning his name whatsoever pre-draft and now he's suddenly a stud worthy of 1.03...

 

[zeeshan2]

Bad for Harvey's value

and he's already 24

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

I have no problem with him being taken at 1.07 later, really...

But I got crapped in here for laughing post-draft when people were putting him at top 2-3 RBs because of his landing spot. Apparently I was "wrong" when I said no one was mentioning his name whatsoever pre-draft and now he's suddenly a stud worthy of 1.03...

I guess if you need an RB that badly but then you are not taking BPA, which is the only rule I have in rookie drafts.

I believe @JohnnyU said it is a marathon and not a sprint - good words to live by. I am not looking for a dart throw in the 3rd round with a 2 year ROI. If you take the BPA, you will get production and can sell them or another player at a position of depth to acquire the position of need.

I have Kaleb Johnson and RJ Harvey pretty closely ranked - with Kaleb probably edging out Harvey, because I like Kaleb as a prospect more than I like Harvey as a prospect. Conversely, I hate the situation Kaleb was drafted into. I hate Arthur Smith. I hate the resurrection of Jaylen Warren every year.

Assuming Jeanty, Hunter, McMillan, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins are all gone - I would rather have Egbuka, Burden, Loveland, Warren and Kaleb over RJ Harvey. I guess that puts him at #12 for me - right in line with where @Dez drafted him.

 

[Ilov80s]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

 

[Gally]

I believe @JohnnyU said it is a marathon and not a sprint

I actually think it is more like the 800m. It's a long sprint.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I took him at 1.8 over Johnson. I tried to trade up to get Henderson but was outbid. I'm not THAT worried about the Dobbins signing. It just means that I (and we us Harvey owners) need to temper our expectations at least for this year. I don't think you take an RB in the 2nd round and expect him to be a long term backup.

 

[BigTex]

I’m grabbing him when I can, no need to over-think this.

Tex

 

[menobrown]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

Honestly it goes back earlier, I was super high on Kamara when he came into the league because of how he used Sproles and Reggie which just showed you could be a fantasy RB1 in his offense without getting 10 carries a game.

Harvey is more difficult for me to get a read on then AK thought because he’s more potential/project in the passing game whereas Kamara was an elite prospect in that regard. To me the bigger question to answer than who he shares the backfield with has always been how close can Harvey get to those other 3 RB's in the receiving game then whoever he shares the backfield with because in a Payton offense it was always likely to be a heavy division of labor with his backfield and the easiest way to overcome this and still be highly valued in fantasy is by catching a lot of passes.

As I think I might have said a lot around here his 3 best fantasy RB's all scored more points in the receiving game then as rushers.

 

[TheWinz]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

Honestly it goes back earlier, I was super high on Kamara when he came into the league because of how he used Sproles and Reggie which just showed you could be a fantasy RB1 in his offense without getting 10 carries a game.

Harvey is more difficult for me to get a read on then AK thought because he’s more potential/project in the passing game whereas Kamara was an elite prospect in that regard. To me the bigger question to answer than who he shares the backfield with has always been how close can Harvey get to those other 3 RB's in the receiving game then whoever he shares the backfield with because in a Payton offense it was always likely to be a heavy division of labor with his backfield and the easiest way to overcome this and still be highly valued in fantasy is by catching a lot of passes.

As I think I might have said a lot around here his 3 best fantasy RB's all scored more points in the receiving game then as rushers.

Well said. Payton had the luxury of Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, and Alvin Kamara in his 15 yrs in New Orleans.

 

[Soulfly3]

Some people were suggesting taking him at 1.03

He went 1.04, 1.06, 1.07, 1.13 in my last 4 rookie drafts.

I was the guy who got him at 1.13 the rest were someone else.

I have no problem with him being taken at 1.07 later, really...

But I got crapped in here for laughing post-draft when people were putting him at top 2-3 RBs because of his landing spot. Apparently I was "wrong" when I said no one was mentioning his name whatsoever pre-draft and now he's suddenly a stud worthy of 1.03...

I guess if you need an RB that badly but then you are not taking BPA, which is the only rule I have in rookie drafts.

I believe @JohnnyU said it is a marathon and not a sprint - good words to live by. I am not looking for a dart throw in the 3rd round with a 2 year ROI. If you take the BPA, you will get production and can sell them or another player at a position of depth to acquire the position of need.

I have Kaleb Johnson and RJ Harvey pretty closely ranked - with Kaleb probably edging out Harvey, because I like Kaleb as a prospect more than I like Harvey as a prospect. Conversely, I hate the situation Kaleb was drafted into. I hate Arthur Smith. I hate the resurrection of Jaylen Warren every year.

Assuming Jeanty, Hunter, McMillan, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins are all gone - I would rather have Egbuka, Burden, Loveland, Warren and Kaleb over RJ Harvey. I guess that puts him at #12 for me - right in line with where @Dez drafted him.

Oh, I wouldn't touch him at 7 myself. But at least at that point I wouldn't fault people.

He's not a 1st round pick for me, and never was.

 

[socrates]

I know people jumped on this because of Payton and what happened with Kamara but for years Payton was very difficult to figure out at RB

Honestly it goes back earlier, I was super high on Kamara when he came into the league because of how he used Sproles and Reggie which just showed you could be a fantasy RB1 in his offense without getting 10 carries a game.

Harvey is more difficult for me to get a read on then AK thought because he’s more potential/project in the passing game whereas Kamara was an elite prospect in that regard. To me the bigger question to answer than who he shares the backfield with has always been how close can Harvey get to those other 3 RB's in the receiving game then whoever he shares the backfield with because in a Payton offense it was always likely to be a heavy division of labor with his backfield and the easiest way to overcome this and still be highly valued in fantasy is by catching a lot of passes.

As I think I might have said a lot around here his 3 best fantasy RB's all scored more points in the receiving game then as rushers.

Well said. Payton had the luxury of Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, and Alvin Kamara in his 15 yrs in New Orleans.

All great pass catching backs and highly rated. Payton also had UDFA Pierre Thomas who he deployed in that role.

 

[Mitchie]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

 

[travdogg]

Can't help but get a Darrell Henderson vibe here.

 

[efactor]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

 

[efactor]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

4.6 overall, but I see your point. He was still well ahead of Gus in that area and I think the Chargers struggled with interior run blocking. Denver has a more complete oline and I think he will have continued success there along with better opportunities. That along with his experience at the NFL level and his advantage of pass protection versus the rookie make me lean towards him getting the majority of carries.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

He had a good year and chargers <> broncos

 

[Bronco Billy]

I honestly cannot fathom the love for this guy. I guess people scouted off his highlight films or fell in love with his measureables, because I saw some serious shortcomings watching him - and that was for a 6 year college player who was literally a man playing against boys.

He’s got great speed and if he gets a clear runway through the line he understands how to move downhill to the sideline and turn on the jets for long gainers. When he does get a runway, he gets into it fast and through in a hurry and then gets his one cut at the second level where he can utilize that speed.

The problems I saw were multiple. His vision is poor and he doesn’t see the times where he needs to take what he has and instead tries to slow play to the outside and then beat contain when they stall thinking he’s trapped. That’s a tactic that will not win often at the next level. His footwork is not good and he tends to get very linear approaching the PoA. He does not do a good job at getting skinny through small gaps, which combined with the questionable vision is not a good combination in the NFL where seams are smaller and close quickly. And that stutter step and shoulder shimmy crap he does may have frozen college defenders but pros will attack him while he’s dancing and stalling waiting for the defender to freeze so he can get by. He has gained a lot of YAC because he can bounce off a pile, sometimes running into the backs of his O line, and then end run around it, another tactic that won’t end well many times in the NFL. He’s definitely not a pile mover and when a D player gets level with him and gets hold of an arm or his jersey they can spin him down pretty effortlessly.

His pass protection is God awful, and it’s partly due to a lack of willingness as well as technique issues. I get that he’s not a big guy, but you’ve got to stick your nose in and take some pop. His pass catching is a true unknown because so many of the receptions he had in college were at or behind the LoS. If people are counting on him being a substantial CoP factor they may end up being rudely surprised. Maybe not, but there’s no way to confidently project him into that role based upon his college resume.

He easily could be the classic case of a great college RB who translates very poorly to the next level. We’ve seen plenty of examples of that in the past and some of those looked a lot like this guy.

 

[efactor]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

He had a good year and chargers <> broncos

He had a good first two games and a mediocre rest of the season. No competition in LA as Gus was toast.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

He had a good year and chargers <> broncos

He had a good first two games and a mediocre rest of the season. No competition in LA as Gus was toast.

Yes, I understood that the first time you mentioned it. All I know is he had over 900 yards and 9 TDs and a 4.6 yard avg.

if you take away all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer. Cherry picking isn’t working.

 

[efactor]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

He had a good year and chargers <> broncos

He had a good first two games and a mediocre rest of the season. No competition in LA as Gus was toast.

Yes, I understood that the first time you mentioned it. All I know is he had over 900 yards and 9 TDs and a 4.6 yard avg.

if you take away all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer. Cherry picking isn’t working.

Did you just mention Barry Sanders in a post talking about Dobbins?

I didn’t say take out the first two games. I pointed out he wasn’t very good after those two games against bad teams, aided by two long runs, both in garbage time. Also, I would bet the majority of people that drafted Dobbins didn’t start him those first two games. Almost 300 yards in the first two weeks. 650 the rest of the way.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dobbins signing is mostly a nothing burger to me, was expecting a signing of some type, it's pretty rare for a team to rely on a rookie too much his rookie season until maybe around 2nd half of the season. Dobbins is a pretty average runner really, if he was good Chargers would've brought him back. Would expect Dobbins role to decrease as season goes on.

While I did draft Harvey in one league and am hoping he does well, your post seems like denial to me.

Why? Dobbins was drafted in 2020 and has 429 carries in his career. He gets hurt every year. As has been discussed, hate to predict injury, but hard to argue this is the year he stays healthy. I expect Dobbins role to decrease as the year progresses due to a combination of the probability of injury as well as Harvey just being the better player at this point. Saying Mitchie is in denial is stretching it. It's an opinion and a valid one. We will see how it plays out, but seems like a lot of Harvey being successful denial going on too.

The Chargers paid Najee basically double the guaranteed money that Dobbins got instead of or resigning him. They obviously have their doubts on Dobbins ability to last a full season.

Anyone that watched Dobbins last year saw a pretty good year, injury or not. I could see him being more fantasy relevant than Harvey in 2025. It wouldn’t be a stretch saying that.

Well, he started out great. Had 2 big games to start the season and a couple long TD runs against the Raiders and Panthers. After week 2, he only had 3 decent games the rest of the season, mainly due to multiple TD games. A lot of bad games too. 3 games averaging less than 3 yards a carry and another 5 under 4 yards a carry. After the first 2 weeks, it wasn't good overall.

He had a good year and chargers <> broncos

He had a good first two games and a mediocre rest of the season. No competition in LA as Gus was toast.

Yes, I understood that the first time you mentioned it. All I know is he had over 900 yards and 9 TDs and a 4.6 yard avg.

if you take away all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer. Cherry picking isn’t working.

Did you just mention Barry Sanders in a post talking about Dobbins?

I didn’t say take out the first two games. I pointed out he wasn’t very good after those two games against bad teams, aided by two long runs, both in garbage time. Also, I would bet the majority of people that drafted Dobbins didn’t start him those first two games. Almost 300 yards in the first two weeks. 650 the rest of the way.

I give up. But if you think Dobbins won’t be relevant barring injury, that’s your opinion and you’re certainly entitled to it.