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[Colin Dowling]

Show me where I compared LSU’s DEF to FSU’s. I was just posting Tebow’s stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Ok, sure.

 

[Doug B]

Tennessee, Alabama, and Auburn are Jeckyll-and-Hyde teams, don't you all think? At their best, they can take down a top-5 opponent (IMHO). At their worst ... Mississippi State can beat them

 

[Lash]

Show me where I compared LSU's DEF to FSU's. I was just posting Tebow's stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Georgia would beg to differ as they went to Bama and won and were made to look silly by UT just a couple week slaterUT is winnin' the East, mark it down

 

[Colin Dowling]

Tennessee, Alabama, and Auburn are Jeckyll-and-Hyde teams, don't you all think? At their best, they can take down a top-5 opponent (IMHO). At their worst ... Mississippi State can beat them

I'm not sure I think Alabama qualifies. They haven't done much.

 

[sho nuff]

Show me where I compared LSU’s DEF to FSU’s. I was just posting Tebow’s stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Ok, sure. <_<

Wow...they beat Georgia.Other than that...they looked awful against both Florida and Cal.They are lucky they don't play LSU this year...or Auburn for that matter.They will have a tough time at Alabama and at UK...and SC should give them a test as well.

 

[sho nuff]

Show me where I compared LSU's DEF to FSU's. I was just posting Tebow's stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Georgia would beg to differ as they went to Bama and won and were made to look silly by UT just a couple week slaterUT is winnin' the East, mark it down

They might...but I doubt it. I see at least 2 losses between Alabama, UK, and SC (with only the SC game at home).They beat Georgia...thats about it.Yup...Georgia beat Alabama in OT...but has not looked all that good the rest of the year. Though, while it might be good they lost their starting RB because the freshman (Moreno I think) looks very good. Stafford has never impressed me...if you get a lead on UGA...it might as well be over.

 

[Doug B]

I'm not sure I think Alabama qualifies. They haven't done much.

Nothing huge ... they did beat a then-ranked Arkansas. That's another J&H ... the Razorbacks. Georgia has also shown some inconsistency.That's the thing with the SEC -- even below the elite level, almost any of those teams can jump up and make a conference foe look bad. Happens every year in the SEC. Then fans of non-SEC schools start invoking the "associative property of football victories" to their schedules. They get to thinking that because their school (or one of their school's opponents) beat an SEC school, that they could hang with an 8-week SEC schedule.Beating, say, Auburn on one their down days is not "huge". It's nice, it's a solid stepping stone for a building program, but it's not proving that your squad could hang in the conference. It's still a one-game, any-given-Saturday event.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Show me where I compared LSU’s DEF to FSU’s. I was just posting Tebow’s stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Ok, sure.

Wow...they beat Georgia.Other than that...they looked awful against both Florida and Cal.They are lucky they don't play LSU this year...or Auburn for that matter.They will have a tough time at Alabama and at UK...and SC should give them a test as well.

UT was awful against Florida. They got beat by a better team at Cal. SC will give them fits, but they should stomp Bama and Kentucky. As I've said over and over, Fulmer wins when he is supposed to and loses when he is supposed to. I'm trying to figure out how that makes this a "terrible" team. No, Tennessee is not a top-15 team in the country, but they are far from terrible.

 

[SSOG]

You can not be a FSU fan and have mad love for a UF player, hope not.

Oh, I don't know about that...

That looks like sexton Can’t be true

Fake

First Anakin turns to the darkside now sexton

It's real, alright. Sexton also skipped an FSU team banquet to attend a UF basketball game.

SSOG, I have a question for you: in your opinion, could Florida win games without passing? Is Tebow good enough to just carry the ball every time, and keep the chains moving? Or does the threat of the pass have to be there to open things up?

Could he beat 9-in-the-box (or even 10) selling out to stop the run?

The question is just hypothetical ... the idea is not that if Tebow is not a one-man offense, he sucks, or something like that. It's just a thought exercise ... his runs are so productive, perhaps it's worth it to speculate on what would happen if Urban Meyer more or less abandoned the pass. How much tougher would it be for him to gain yardage on the ground? Tougher, yes ... but just how much tougher?

I think UF would be better off giving up Tebow's runs than his passes, and I am being perfectly serious when I say that. This offense is first and foremost a big play offense. It eats up yardage in huge chunks at a time. Florida has posted 30 TD drives this season. Of those 30 drives, 6 were of 40 yards or less thanks to stellar starting field position. Of the remaining 24 drives, 6 have been 10+ plays, while 18 have been <10 plays. 14 of those drives have averaged 9+ yards per play. When Florida is scoring at will, it's huge gains in the passing game that are making it happen. There's a huge reason why Tebow is averaging 10 yards per attempt, and that's because Florida is going bombs away. They've gotten away from it a little bit in recent weeks, and their scoring has dropped considerably since (starting with the game at Ole Miss). 5 of Florida's 6 10+ play drives have come in the last three weeks (despite Florida scoring significantly more TDs in the first 3 weeks), which shows that they ARE moving more towards a Tebow-smash type offense. I think part of it has to do with the injuries to the WRs, but the end result is less than ideal. The deep pass is the biggest weapon this offense has going for them, and they'd be dramatically worse without it. Now, COULD Florida win the game using nothing but Tebow runs? Depends on what you mean. I mean, no team can win consistently while calling nothing but runs- even Navy calls passes sometimes. If you mean could Florida win running an offense as run-oriented as Navy's, then yeah, I think they could... but the team would be worse than the one we see right now.With that said, even without the threat of the pass, I think Tebow would still be unstoppable in short yardage situations. Teams have known exactly what the playcall is on 3rd and 2 for over a year now, and he still keeps on converting. Still, Florida has a TE averaging 15+ yards per catch. Caldwell and Cooper are both averaging over 24 yards per catch (and Harvin would be, too, if he wasn't used on so many screens). While the details of the offense are dramatically different than the 2002 Atlanta Falcons, the philosophy behind it is very similar- get a QB who is a huge running threat, use that threat to cause defenses to cheat drastically up, and then throw over their heads. Tebow might get a lot of his yardage on busted coverages, but Tebow is a big reason why a lot of those coverages get busted in the first place, as the safeties are paying too much attention to him and not enough to the WRs. This then sets off a cycle- safeties start getting beat deep a lot, which causes them to drop back more, which opens up room for Tebow to bust some heads. Florida's offense stretches the field horizontally and vertically, forcing defenders to cover a lot of ground, and then exploits the larger gaps that are created in the coverage as a result. No passes means no more gaps in the coverage, which means no more offense, although I am convinced that Florida could have a little bit of success running an offense that looks more like Arkansas's Wildcat.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Bama is awful. They've got a lot of offensive talent on that team but it's going totally to waste, and the defense.......well, pretty much stinks.

My GB is a Bama fan and he is pretty pissed.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm not sure I think Alabama qualifies. They haven't done much.

Nothing huge ... they did beat a then-ranked Arkansas. That's another J&H ... the Razorbacks. Georgia has also shown some inconsistency.That's the thing with the SEC -- even below the elite level, almost any of those teams can jump up and make a conference foe look bad. Happens every year in the SEC. Then fans of non-SEC schools start invoking the "associative property of football victories" to their schedules. They get to thinking that because their school (or one of their school's opponents) beat an SEC school, that they could hang with an 8-week SEC schedule.Beating, say, Auburn on one their down days is not "huge". It's nice, it's a solid stepping stone for a building program, but it's not proving that your squad could hang in the conference. It's still a one-game, any-given-Saturday event.

Happens in every conference though.The Oregon State's beating USC.Illinois beating Penn State and Wisconsin.Wisconsin on their upswing beating Michigan and OSU (before UW was a perennial contender in the big 10).And Auburn right now is a Jekyll and Hyde...depends how Brandon Cox is playing. Against Florida he was very good...before that...ugh.

 

[sho nuff]

Show me where I compared LSU’s DEF to FSU’s. I was just posting Tebow’s stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Ok, sure.

Wow...they beat Georgia.Other than that...they looked awful against both Florida and Cal.They are lucky they don't play LSU this year...or Auburn for that matter.They will have a tough time at Alabama and at UK...and SC should give them a test as well.

UT was awful against Florida. They got beat by a better team at Cal. SC will give them fits, but they should stomp Bama and Kentucky. As I've said over and over, Fulmer wins when he is supposed to and loses when he is supposed to. I'm trying to figure out how that makes this a "terrible" team. No, Tennessee is not a top-15 team in the country, but they are far from terrible.

I don't think they stomp Bama..and I think UK will put up a ton of points on them.I guess terrible is relative to their starting ranking and how I think they will finish. I just don't see them as all that good this year (and I think Ainge was overrated coming into this year)

 

[Crusaderfan]

Just curious, but who is going to sack him? I'm thinking he is going to be very hard for anyone to bring down.

Would like to see some statistics of stronger linebackers in the NFL. 38 reps @ 185! Wow.

I think I know what's wrong here. White QBs that can run are subject to more criticism......right Donovan?

Uhm, I can do about 25 reps of 185 and I am no NFL linebacker.The punishment that the RB's take should not be the punishment the QB's take.

Congrats on your bench press. While you are not an NFL linebacker, you obviously have a bench press well over 300lbs. I believe Tebow did this as a high school senior. I don't know what weight rooms you hang out in but I can't say I've ever seen an 18yr old do that. One of the gyms I spend a lot of time in is a military gym where guys out of high school train to prepare for boot camp. See quite a few 18yr olds passing through there - none that strong yet.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Just curious, but who is going to sack him? I'm thinking he is going to be very hard for anyone to bring down.

Would like to see some statistics of stronger linebackers in the NFL. 38 reps @ 185! Wow.

I think I know what's wrong here. White QBs that can run are subject to more criticism......right Donovan?

Uhm, I can do about 25 reps of 185 and I am no NFL linebacker.The punishment that the RB's take should not be the punishment the QB's take.

Congrats on your bench press. While you are not an NFL linebacker, you obviously have a bench press well over 300lbs. I believe Tebow did this as a high school senior. I don't know what weight rooms you hang out in but I can't say I've ever seen an 18yr old do that. One of the gyms I spend a lot of time in is a military gym where guys out of high school train to prepare for boot camp. See quite a few 18yr olds passing through there - none that strong yet.

Hey, what did you do today?Oh, you know, just hung out on the computer. Told some stranger about my bench press.

Your what?

My bench press. I was talking online about how many bench presses I can do.

Really? Why? What was the conversation about?

College football, I think.

Ummm, ok. Were they impressed?

Yeah, I think so. It's a pretty impressive number.

Oh, that's cool. What's her name?

Ummm...well...you see...

 

[fsufan]

Just curious, but who is going to sack him? I'm thinking he is going to be very hard for anyone to bring down.

Would like to see some statistics of stronger linebackers in the NFL. 38 reps @ 185! Wow.

I think I know what's wrong here. White QBs that can run are subject to more criticism......right Donovan?

Uhm, I can do about 25 reps of 185 and I am no NFL linebacker.The punishment that the RB's take should not be the punishment the QB's take. <_<

Congrats on your bench press. While you are not an NFL linebacker, you obviously have a bench press well over 300lbs. I believe Tebow did this as a high school senior. I don't know what weight rooms you hang out in but I can't say I've ever seen an 18yr old do that. One of the gyms I spend a lot of time in is a military gym where guys out of high school train to prepare for boot camp. See quite a few 18yr olds passing through there - none that strong yet.

there is alot of strong guys in college football. FSU's RB, A. Smith, can bench 430 lbs. He is 5'9"/190 lbs.

 

[SSOG]

So, did anybody have a chance to see Tebow in action this past week, and is anybody changing their mind as a result? He's now back to first in the nation in pass efficiency (as well as first in TD:INT ratio and second in YPA), just to give some fuel for the "he's a running QB so he must be a horrible passer" crowd. He still doesn't consistently throw the prettiest ball in the game, (few sophomores do), but that bomb to Harvin with the game on the line at the end was a thing of beauty. He's also averaging about as many yards per non-sack rush as Darren McFadden, and in the same conference, to boot.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Tebow looked good, and has likely secured the Heisman barring a complete fall apart to end the year. I still think he has a way to go in his development as a passer.

 

[SSOG]

Another Tebow bump. That was a pretty good Vandy defense that Tebow just carved up (ranked 14th in the nation coming into this week). These were some darn pretty passes. Amazing accuracy on that first pass, good patience on the second. Still not the tightest or the prettiest spiral, but at what point do the results finally become more important than the aesthetics? Philip Rivers didn't throw the prettiest ball ever, either. Tebow's still #1 in the nation in passer efficiency, and still averaging 10 yards per attempt (also best in the nation). In addition to 10 straight games with a rushing TD (best streak in the nation), as well as 14 rushing TDs (tying the Florida record- and Florida's had some pretty decent RBs), he's got a 21:4 TD:INT ratio.

I understand that there are going to be a lot of people who still aren't sold, but is there anyone out there who still honestly believes that he's not a good passer at all? Anyone else feel like making Eric Crouch comparisons?

 

[[scooter]]

Whenever I see Tebow, I think Steve Holt. He needs to raise both arms and yell "TEBOW!" whenever someone mentions him.

for working in an Arrested Development reference.

 

[jeff1013]

I'm sorry... I normally never do this, because it always bites me in the ####... buuuut...

Tim Tebow would make a HORRIBLE NFL QB.... he is so-so at passing.. but all he does is run. Does he think he's Michael Vick or something?! He's an option-oriented QB, which would mean he would last 2 seconds in the NFL. He'll get KILLED the first time Urlacher or Donnie Edwards or some linebacker hit him...

LOL at someone thinking Tebow would be a good NFL QB

LOL at someone saying he cant after starting half a season.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Another Tebow bump. That was a pretty good Vandy defense that Tebow just carved up (ranked 14th in the nation coming into this week). These were some darn pretty passes. Amazing accuracy on that first pass, good patience on the second. Still not the tightest or the prettiest spiral, but at what point do the results finally become more important than the aesthetics? Philip Rivers didn't throw the prettiest ball ever, either. Tebow's still #1 in the nation in passer efficiency, and still averaging 10 yards per attempt (also best in the nation). In addition to 10 straight games with a rushing TD (best streak in the nation), as well as 14 rushing TDs (tying the Florida record- and Florida's had some pretty decent RBs), he's got a 21:4 TD:INT ratio.

I understand that there are going to be a lot of people who still aren't sold, but is there anyone out there who still honestly believes that he's not a good passer at all? Anyone else feel like making Eric Crouch comparisons?

It's also worth noting that Tebow has hardly run the ball at all the past two games. Those are pretty much pure passing numbers just as much as they are with Andre Woodson, Colt Brennan, and Brian Brohm, but without the laughable defenses Brennan and Brohm are facing week to week.

 

[sho nuff]

Show me where I compared LSU’s DEF to FSU’s. I was just posting Tebow’s stats against LSU. Who has UF beaten? They lost to their 2 toughest opponents, LSU and Auburn. For the record FSU beat a ranked Alabama team who plays in the so called might SEC.

FAIL.Florida's 2 toughest opponents have been LSU and UT. They barely lost to LSU (who they should lose to) and they pounded UT. Alabama is terrible. The fact they were ranked is immaterial.

UT is just as terrible.

Ok, sure.

How about Bama?Whipped UT...and took LSU to the wire.And Im not a Bama fan.I was pretty much dead on about UT. They simply are not that good. Terrible defensive team. No consistent running game. And Ainge is overrated.

 

[happy_donut]

Another Tebow bump. That was a pretty good Vandy defense that Tebow just carved up (ranked 14th in the nation coming into this week).

Hi Ssog. Not calling you out on Tebow, I think he's intriguing, to say the least, but do you have a link to Vandy having the #14 Defense in the NCAA? That just sounds ludicrous at best.Here's a link to SEC rankings on ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/confstandings?confID=8

Vandy is last in the SEC East. Maybe that's just because their offense is terrible, but really, I think they are not a good team on either side of the ball.

I'm willing to be wrong about this...just seems odd you would point out a stat like that but I can't find anything to back it up. Could be I'm not looking in the right place though....

Thanks.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Vanderbilt's defense is pretty solid.......I would not be shocked at all if this were true.

EDIT: It appears to be:

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/r...7000000736.HTML

total defense 14, scoring defense 13

 

[happy_donut]

Vanderbilt's defense is pretty solid.......I would not be shocked at all if this were true.

EDIT: It appears to be:

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/r...7000000736.HTML

total defense 14, scoring defense 13

Yep, looks like it's true. I'm shocked! I had no idea!end hijack.

 

[SSOG]

Vanderbilt's defense is pretty solid.......I would not be shocked at all if this were true.

EDIT: It appears to be:

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/r...7000000736.HTML

total defense 14, scoring defense 13

Yep, looks like it's true. I'm shocked! I had no idea!end hijack.

I was half-shocked, too, but this is the best Vandy team in the past 20+ years. They may be last in the SEC East, but prior to this week every single team in that division had either two losses or three losses- meaning they were just a game out of first (obviously the Florida game changes that). They've got a TON of seniors starting on defense, and they've really been playing at a pretty high level. They took down South Carolina last week, and are probably going to finish the season bowl-eligible. They were in the top 2 in the conference in both yards and points allowed, and were first in the conference in sacks (making it even more impressive that Tebow didn't get taken down all game after going down 5 times last week).Also, they were pretty darn good last year, too, though their record wouldn't attest to that- they had several very, very close losses to very, very good schools (such as Florida, last year's national champs). This is essentially the same team, just a year older and wiser. Now, they're no LSU or anything, but they're definitely one of the better defenses in the SEC.

As for why they aren't a great team... yeah, it's the offense holding them back. 105th nationally in yards, 95th in points.

Also, for those joining the party late, that link has been updated since it was posted- with the results from the Florida game included, Vandy drops from 14th in yards and 13th in points allowed all the way down to 22nd in yards and 28th in points allowed.

 

[Godfather of Soul]

He's not getting the award b/c of anti-soph bias, esp if mcfadden keeps killing it and/or dixon maintains serve and keeps winning.

But next year he will be the odds-on favorite.

Oh and he will probably stay four years.

If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

 

[Calvitron Johnson]

Just a heads up to all of you: If this guy ever learns enough to play QB at the NFL level, if you have the RB on that team, you can forget about the short TD runs. He will still be a vulture left and right near the goal line. I thought Mcnair vulturing Eddie George TD's (38 I beleive) was bad, this guy will top that. Won't matter who the RB is, he will neutralize them.

 

[SSOG]

He's not getting the award b/c of anti-soph bias, esp if mcfadden keeps killing it and/or dixon maintains serve and keeps winning.But next year he will be the odds-on favorite.Oh and he will probably stay four years.If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

The really, really scary thing is that a lot of Gator fans think Tebow might not even be the best player on his own team. Percy Harvin is absolutely electric- he became the first player in UF history to rush for 100 and receive for 100 in the same game last week. He averages 10+ yards per touch, including 9+ per rush over his career. Now, Tebow and Harvin still have a lot more to prove before they can live up to the comparison, but having both players on one team is sort of like teaming Vince Young up with Reggie Bush.

 

[gump]

If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

What're Chris Rainey's expectations for next year?

 

[krameruf]

If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

What're Chris Rainey's expectations for next year?

Rainey will never be a full time back. Rainey might have a Harvin type roll next year if he is ready. This year he's looked pretty average on special teams and has made a lot of dumb mistakes. Rainey is going to have to work hard to play over guys like Moody or B. James. As of now Rainey doesn't look to be in the same class as a guy like Percy.On Moody being better than any RB that is probably true. Mon Williams likely would have started this year though if he didn't blow out his knee.

 

[Godfather of Soul]

1. No one has any idea what Mon will turn out to be.

2. Agree on Rainey, he is tiny and MAY grow into a 3RB or Brandon James role. He has great open field moves, imo.

3. Moody, i think, comes in and gives 800-900 yds and reduces Tebow's between the 20s rushing accordingly

4. I still feel good about #1 HS RB D. Scott out of Cali. If Colorado does not get him, we will.

BTW, to add fuel to the argument, Tebow got 7 TD's last night, and IIRC, had 2 passing TDs dropped and drives did NOT result in other Tebow TDs. COULD have been a 9 TD night.

Again, not all the passes are pretty, and I still think he needs a lot of polish for a starting NFL job (and he should considering he has not even finished his first year as a college starter), but I think that IF he does obtain said poilsh, he could be a very good pro QB.

Leadership and toughness would be an asset at the next level just like mechanics currently are perceived as an NFL liability.

 

[Club Leftwich]

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Indeed. South Carolina stats ended up 100+ yards rushing and 5TDs, 300 yards passing and 2TDs through the air. The scary part is that the Gator WRs dropped two 50 yard TDs that hit them right in the hands on top of that.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

What're Chris Rainey's expectations for next year?

Rainey will never be a full time back. Rainey might have a Harvin type roll next year if he is ready. This year he's looked pretty average on special teams and has made a lot of dumb mistakes. Rainey is going to have to work hard to play over guys like Moody or B. James. As of now Rainey doesn't look to be in the same class as a guy like Percy.On Moody being better than any RB that is probably true. Mon Williams likely would have started this year though if he didn't blow out his knee.

Rainey has some fumbling problems as well, which Meyer doesn't tolerate.

 

[krameruf]

If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

What're Chris Rainey's expectations for next year?

Rainey will never be a full time back. Rainey might have a Harvin type roll next year if he is ready. This year he's looked pretty average on special teams and has made a lot of dumb mistakes. Rainey is going to have to work hard to play over guys like Moody or B. James. As of now Rainey doesn't look to be in the same class as a guy like Percy.On Moody being better than any RB that is probably true. Mon Williams likely would have started this year though if he didn't blow out his knee.

Rainey has some fumbling problems as well, which Meyer doesn't tolerate.

Rainey just isn't good enough to play right now. No one has more fumbling issues than K. Moore and he still plays.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

If UF can develop even an AVERAGE defense, 2008 could be something else. (oh, plus Moody comes in, and is immediately better than any RB currently on roster)

What're Chris Rainey's expectations for next year?

Rainey will never be a full time back. Rainey might have a Harvin type roll next year if he is ready. This year he's looked pretty average on special teams and has made a lot of dumb mistakes. Rainey is going to have to work hard to play over guys like Moody or B. James. As of now Rainey doesn't look to be in the same class as a guy like Percy.On Moody being better than any RB that is probably true. Mon Williams likely would have started this year though if he didn't blow out his knee.

Rainey has some fumbling problems as well, which Meyer doesn't tolerate.

Rainey just isn't good enough to play right now. No one has more fumbling issues than K. Moore and he still plays.

I wasn't saying Rainey wasn't playing only because of his fumbling problems, but it will hurt his chances of ever really playing a lot if he can't get a grip on them. Kehstan only plays due to lack of a better option. All the other RBs have fumbling problems as well and none of them are very good. If Kehstahn didn't have fumbling problems he would be getting a TON more carries than he does now. Brandon James only gets ANY PT on offense (outside the occasional gadget play) because of Kehstan's fumbling problems. Kehstahn is a good enough RB right now to be a 20 carry guy, but he isn't specifically because he can't hold onto the ball.

 

[SSOG]

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

He's already starting to. Last night he broke Weurffel's SEC record for total TDs in a season... AND HE STILL HAS THREE GAMES LEFT TO PLAY (four on the off chance that UF makes it to Atlanta).

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tebow with a couple of records today.

SEC all time single season rushing TD leader (passing Shaun Alexander, LaBrandon Toefield and Garrison Hearst)

First D1-A player to throw for 20 and pass for 20 TDs in a season.

 

[sho nuff]

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

He's already starting to. Last night he broke Weurffel's SEC record for total TDs in a season... AND HE STILL HAS THREE GAMES LEFT TO PLAY (four on the off chance that UF makes it to Atlanta).

and how did Weurffel do in the NFL?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

20-20

 

[Crusaderfan]

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

He's already starting to. Last night he broke Weurffel's SEC record for total TDs in a season... AND HE STILL HAS THREE GAMES LEFT TO PLAY (four on the off chance that UF makes it to Atlanta).

and how did Weurffel do in the NFL?

I see your point - kinda like how could Peyton Manning ever be a good pro QB when Heath Shuler was one of the biggest flops ever. Yeah - I get it.

 

[PACKER 7]

Tebow with a couple of records today.SEC all time single season rushing TD leader (passing Shaun Alexander, LaBrandon Toefield and Garrison Hearst)First D1-A player to throw for 20 and pass for 20 TDs in a season.

And yet the country still tries to find a way to not give him the Heisman.I'm huge Vol fan so it's not like I have any love for Tebow, but the guy is just that good. Without him the Gators are nothing. There's no way there is a better College Player in America.40+ TDs and counting in one of the toughest conferences in the land.

 

[SSOG]

Tim Tebow gets called for roughing the tackler.

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

He's already starting to. Last night he broke Weurffel's SEC record for total TDs in a season... AND HE STILL HAS THREE GAMES LEFT TO PLAY (four on the off chance that UF makes it to Atlanta).

and how did Weurffel do in the NFL?

Oh? A player's pro prospects are only good if he breaks records that were set by people who wound up being good pros? That's fine, then. Tebow broke Shaun Alexander's record for rushing TDs in a single season. Tebow's obviously going to set the single-season TD record in the NFL as a result.

 

[krameruf]

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- If Florida quarterback Tim Tebow wins the Heisman Trophy, he might have to lift the heavy, bronze statue with one hand.Heisman hopeful Tim Tebow accounted for five touchdowns Saturday in Florida's romp over rival Florida State.Tebow broke his right, non-throwing hand Saturday night against rival Florida State and will be in a cast for at least two weeks.Tebow sustained a non-displaced fracture in his right hand during his 5-yard touchdown run on the opening drive of the third quarter against the Seminoles, team spokesman Steve McClain said Sunday.Team doctors looked at his hand and did some tests on the sideline, but Tebow said he was OK to play and stayed in the game.X-rays following Florida's 45-12 victory revealed the severity of injury.Tebow has played through injuries before.Not only did he finish a high school game on a broken leg, he bruised his right shoulder Oct. 20 against Kentucky and stayed in the game. Instead of taking some time off to heal, Tebow opted to receive painkilling shots before the next four games.

 

[Godfather of Soul]

Still underperforming verusedeyeroll:

 

[sho nuff]

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

He's already starting to. Last night he broke Weurffel's SEC record for total TDs in a season... AND HE STILL HAS THREE GAMES LEFT TO PLAY (four on the off chance that UF makes it to Atlanta).

and how did Weurffel do in the NFL?

I see your point - kinda like how could Peyton Manning ever be a good pro QB when Heath Shuler was one of the biggest flops ever. Yeah - I get it.

Want me to list more flops who looked great at UF only to suck in the NFL?He will have to change quite a bit to make it in the NFL. Sorry, but that is the truth.Big strong kid...but that draw up the middle and jump pass crap simply will not work.And look at UF's rushing TDs...and his...then realize, they have no real RB. He is the RB near the goalline.

 

[sho nuff]

Tebow with a couple of records today.SEC all time single season rushing TD leader (passing Shaun Alexander, LaBrandon Toefield and Garrison Hearst)First D1-A player to throw for 20 and pass for 20 TDs in a season.

And yet the country still tries to find a way to not give him the Heisman.I'm huge Vol fan so it's not like I have any love for Tebow, but the guy is just that good. Without him the Gators are nothing. There's no way there is a better College Player in America.40+ TDs and counting in one of the toughest conferences in the land.

Darren McFadden is a better college player.Graham Harrell is a better college QB.

 

[sho nuff]

Tim Tebow gets called for roughing the tackler.

You can say the passes don't look pretty, but they keep hitting WRs right in the hands way down field. If Riley Cooper and Louis Murphy can start catching more of them by next year the Florida offense is going to make Gator fans forget all about the mid-90s.

He's already starting to. Last night he broke Weurffel's SEC record for total TDs in a season... AND HE STILL HAS THREE GAMES LEFT TO PLAY (four on the off chance that UF makes it to Atlanta).

and how did Weurffel do in the NFL?

Oh? A player's pro prospects are only good if he breaks records that were set by people who wound up being good pros? That's fine, then. Tebow broke Shaun Alexander's record for rushing TDs in a single season. Tebow's obviously going to set the single-season TD record in the NFL as a result.

No...a player's pro prospects are good if he can do much of what he is doing in college in the pros. Tebow cannot get away with most of that stuff in the NFL. The draws up the middle, the jump passes. Nor will his WRs be that wide open most of the time.

 

[krameruf]

Tebow with a couple of records today.SEC all time single season rushing TD leader (passing Shaun Alexander, LaBrandon Toefield and Garrison Hearst)First D1-A player to throw for 20 and pass for 20 TDs in a season.

And yet the country still tries to find a way to not give him the Heisman.I'm huge Vol fan so it's not like I have any love for Tebow, but the guy is just that good. Without him the Gators are nothing. There's no way there is a better College Player in America.40+ TDs and counting in one of the toughest conferences in the land.

Darren McFadden is a better college player.Graham Harrell is a better college QB.

Harrell is not. He's a product of a system against average teams.