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Time To Abandon Matt Ryan? (1 Viewer)

Banemorth

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Well I've personally kept the faith in Matty Ice even after he has let me down time and time again. I really thought he was going to have a big game versus Green Bay but... he didn't even hit 200 yards passing. He has been a joke most of the season and turns the ball over like nobody's business. At this point I'm about ready to bench him in favor of Tebow or Painter. How are the other Matt Ryan owners dealing with his VERY disappointing performances and do you think he can turn it around against Carolina at home next week?

 
Well.. Im in the same boat as you. Really thought he was going to turn it around but I felt this would be his breakout game. I'm probably going to lose this week and already lost last week due to his very mediocre performances. Each we I've lost by about 3-4 points and if he had played better I would be an easy 4-1 going into week 6.

Still he did have the one big game in Week 2. But even then he didn't have many yards. Philly turned the ball over a few times down close and he was able to toss a few 15-20 yd TDs.

 
He's definitely overrated by the masses. His pocket presence is among the worst of the supposed upper echelon QB's in the league IMO. Not quite to the same degree, but he always gives me a bit of an Eli vibe.

 
Biggest mistake of my draft was picking him over Stafford when both were available. I picked up Tebow last week though and hope he will help fill my void at QB (starting in week 7).

Ryan just doesn't go downfield enough and LOVES to come to the LOS and check into a running play. They've had the most success with a balanced offense and now Julio has hamstring issues. He's not looking like a top play at QB.

 
I will never go into another year with out having a tier I/Ia qb..This is the second year in a row that i have looked for a QB late (mine was freeman this year but could very well could have been ryan as i had him ranked high) and am regretting it. You know the old saying; fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice.....

 
Mike Mularkey is killing Ryan's value. Ever notice how the Atlanta offense just hums along when they go no-huddle and Ryan calls the plays? Until they get Mularkey out of there, I'm starting Eli over Ryan.

 
'sammy8887 said:
Biggest mistake of my draft was picking him over Stafford when both were available. I picked up Tebow last week though and hope he will help fill my void at QB (starting in week 7).
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Just wait until Staphord gets injured...then you'll be excited you took the Iceman. Matty Ice. Pretty stupid nickname though.
 
'Rick James said:
Mike Mularkey is killing Ryan's value. Ever notice how the Atlanta offense just hums along when they go no-huddle and Ryan calls the plays? Until they get Mularkey out of there, I'm starting Eli over Ryan.
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Same here and interestingly enough, Eli works best in the no huddle too. Ryan to the bench for me. Eli doesn't throw as much but he has big play luck (see Cruz' big TD).
 
I really liked the deep ball laser beam to Julio to exploit an athletic mismatch. :yucky:

If he sticks to passes under 5 yards he'll be fine.

 
The Falcons are like that hot looking girl that has a speech impediment. Everything looks so promising and slick on the outside.... then she talks. I thought that offense was a BUY BUY BUY this year.. but, they are still just doing the "Captain Checkdown" thing with Ryan again. The only way they score is on 12 play 80 yard drives.

 
Have to chime in here.

I've played FF for four seasons... each of which I have played two teams. My first two seasons I won one championship - both times with Peyton Manning at QB. Last year, I thought I'd try a new strategy and drafted my QB late. Did the same this year in both my FBG FPC leagues - Ryan and Freeman. As a couple of other posters have insinuated, I will NEVER employ the pick a QB late strategy EVER again. WAY too much risk with the amount of points top-tier QBs are putting up these days.

Anyhow, I figured at least one would pan out.

Well, neither one has. They each had one good game - and multiple average/below average QB1 games. Ryan's seeming propensity for < 15 point games REALLY concerns me. Ryan looks pretty bad, and - its not all his fault - he just doesn't have the time in the pocket (or the skill, frankly) to throw downfield. That said, he still looks slow, indecisive and frequently inaccurate. In terms of his targets, Roddy White appears, at least to me, to be a fraction of his former self... the dude is dropping passes left and right and has cost Ryan a decent number of points this season. He's just not the same player. Not sure what's going on with Julio, but if he's injured, then Ryan's only really truly reliable receiver is his 34-yr old TE. If you have better options, I'd say its time to cut bate and bench him.

I've been playing musical QBs with my backup all season so far... and have ended up with Tebow as my back up on both teams.

Unless either of these guys put up big numbers on Tebow's bye week, I will be rolling with him going forward - and just hoping he pans out.

 
'Dought Man said:
The Falcons are like that hot looking girl that has a speech impediment. Everything looks so promising and slick on the outside.... then she talks. I thought that offense was a BUY BUY BUY this year.. but, they are still just doing the "Captain Checkdown" thing with Ryan again. The only way they score is on 12 play 80 yard drives.
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His yards/attempt have been pretty bad low every year besides his rookie season. #27 at 6.5 last year. #21 at 6.5 the year before. Right on track with 6.6 this year.
 
I took a flier after week 1 on Cam Newton. Everyone in my league wrote his performance off as "it was against the Cardinals." It was because of this pickup that I am still competitive. Ryan has since been relegated to Bye-Week filler/Holding Cam Newton's pads. I will never wait to draft a QB ever again, no matter how fun it is having Calvin Johnson and Hakeem Nicks in the same lineup. The point advantage Brady, Brees, Rogers, Newton, Vick, and Rivers can give you completely negates the advantage a top tier RB or WR gives you.

 
'sbonomo said:
I will never go into another year with out having a tier I/Ia qb..This is the second year in a row that i have looked for a QB late (mine was freeman this year but could very well could have been ryan as i had him ranked high) and am regretting it. You know the old saying; fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice.....
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What does that have to do with the "Strategy"? Okay, suck for luck this year. But those who drafted Stafford, Flacco, Hass, Cam, etc... late aren't regretting the strategy.
 
I'm giving him this week to show something, and if he fails he goes to the wire. Jason Campbell is outscoring him on a per game basis in my league. Just awful. If nothing else, I'll ride the Tebow train after this week wherever it goes......

 
'amaizingblu said:
'sbonomo said:
I will never go into another year with out having a tier I/Ia qb..This is the second year in a row that i have looked for a QB late (mine was freeman this year but could very well could have been ryan as i had him ranked high) and am regretting it. You know the old saying; fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice.....
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What does that have to do with the "Strategy"? Okay, suck for luck this year. But those who drafted Stafford, Flacco, Hass, Cam, etc... late aren't regretting the strategy.
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It's actually the slightly lesser known "draft a sucky QB late" strategy.
 
'TarheelBlue said:
Have to chime in here.I've played FF for four seasons... each of which I have played two teams. My first two seasons I won one championship - both times with Peyton Manning at QB. Last year, I thought I'd try a new strategy and drafted my QB late. Did the same this year in both my FBG FPC leagues - Ryan and Freeman. As a couple of other posters have insinuated, I will NEVER employ the pick a QB late strategy EVER again. WAY too much risk with the amount of points top-tier QBs are putting up these days.Anyhow, I figured at least one would pan out.Well, neither one has. They each had one good game - and multiple average/below average QB1 games. Ryan's seeming propensity for < 15 point games REALLY concerns me. Ryan looks pretty bad, and - its not all his fault - he just doesn't have the time in the pocket (or the skill, frankly) to throw downfield. That said, he still looks slow, indecisive and frequently inaccurate. In terms of his targets, Roddy White appears, at least to me, to be a fraction of his former self... the dude is dropping passes left and right and has cost Ryan a decent number of points this season. He's just not the same player. Not sure what's going on with Julio, but if he's injured, then Ryan's only really truly reliable receiver is his 34-yr old TE. If you have better options, I'd say its time to cut bate and bench him.I've been playing musical QBs with my backup all season so far... and have ended up with Tebow as my back up on both teams.Unless either of these guys put up big numbers on Tebow's bye week, I will be rolling with him going forward - and just hoping he pans out.
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:goodposting: I'm rolling with Arod/and/or/Vick this year and Beanie/Felix/Fred Jax/Waiver Wire Specials/Torain this year. YEAH, both modes force you to pick WISELY, but the Chris Johnson/Sam Bradford module this year has you 0-5 gay-ron-teed?
 
'TarheelBlue said:
Have to chime in here.I've played FF for four seasons... each of which I have played two teams. My first two seasons I won one championship - both times with Peyton Manning at QB. Last year, I thought I'd try a new strategy and drafted my QB late. Did the same this year in both my FBG FPC leagues - Ryan and Freeman. As a couple of other posters have insinuated, I will NEVER employ the pick a QB late strategy EVER again. WAY too much risk with the amount of points top-tier QBs are putting up these days.Anyhow, I figured at least one would pan out.Well, neither one has. They each had one good game - and multiple average/below average QB1 games. Ryan's seeming propensity for < 15 point games REALLY concerns me. Ryan looks pretty bad, and - its not all his fault - he just doesn't have the time in the pocket (or the skill, frankly) to throw downfield. That said, he still looks slow, indecisive and frequently inaccurate. In terms of his targets, Roddy White appears, at least to me, to be a fraction of his former self... the dude is dropping passes left and right and has cost Ryan a decent number of points this season. He's just not the same player. Not sure what's going on with Julio, but if he's injured, then Ryan's only really truly reliable receiver is his 34-yr old TE. If you have better options, I'd say its time to cut bate and bench him.I've been playing musical QBs with my backup all season so far... and have ended up with Tebow as my back up on both teams.Unless either of these guys put up big numbers on Tebow's bye week, I will be rolling with him going forward - and just hoping he pans out.
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:goodposting: Thanks for your chime. Good stuff. I agree. signed,Aaron Rodgers owner
 
'Rick James said:
Mike Mularkey is killing Ryan's value. Ever notice how the Atlanta offense just hums along when they go no-huddle and Ryan calls the plays? Until they get Mularkey out of there, I'm starting Eli over Ryan.
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I'd have to 2nd the Mularkey thing... he just doesn't seem to run offenses which go down field much and his plays are too vanilla and play calling patterns seem easy to figure out by many of the defensive coordinators...
 
Well I think this weekend's match up is a recipe for disaster. No Jones and it looks like Tony might be out too.

 
Rolling him out there this week again...Have Flacco on the bench but with Matty Ice the potential for a negative point game is much less then with Flacco...Will likely be rolling out Tebow week 7 regardless though, still holding out hope Ryan can develop into the guy I thought he could be.

 
'gotexansgo said:
Rolling him out there this week again...Have Flacco on the bench but with Matty Ice the potential for a negative point game is much less then with Flacco...Will likely be rolling out Tebow week 7 regardless though, still holding out hope Ryan can develop into the guy I thought he could be.
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My question is that if they cover Roddy who the hell is he going to throw to?
 
So, is anyone possibly buying Ryan at this point? Asking because the "problems" stated seem to be with playcalling/injuries to WRs/etc moreso than just bad decisions.

 
'Banemorth said:
'gotexansgo said:
Rolling him out there this week again...Have Flacco on the bench but with Matty Ice the potential for a negative point game is much less then with Flacco...Will likely be rolling out Tebow week 7 regardless though, still holding out hope Ryan can develop into the guy I thought he could be.
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My question is that if they cover Roddy who the hell is he going to throw to?
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As he has shown in the past, it doesnt matter if they cover Roddy, he will get at least 8 targets, with it being very likely to be over 10. This could also lead to turnovers but Roddy is a WR who will make plays. This could also be time for Harry Douglas' breakout week, but this could easily be a week where Roddy has a game like he did all last season and is the main and basically only target.
 
As detailed above, Matt Ryan is concerning as a starting QB relative to the performances of the top tier this year. Against the top 4, you looking at going into any given week at a ten point disadvantage. Against a tier below that, 5 - 6 pts - not as bad.

He's had a couple of "average" games and one "good" game - which isn't terrible. What is most concerning is the 11 points he put up against Green Bay's 31st ranked passing defense at HOME... I mean what the hell? In that game, he looked innaccurate and hurried - anything BUT "ICE", imo. Their pass blocking really does look like absolute crap. And Roddy is something like 4th or 5th in the league in dropped passes, costing Ryan at least one TD - also a disturbing trend.

I missed Stafford by one spot in the draft in the league I have him in, but I too bought into "this would be his break out year," so wasn't to unhappy about it. Boy, was I wrong - he just doesn't have the presence, the arm or the O-Line to put up the numbers of the guys in the Top 10, at least not this year. I am sure he will have a couple more good games this season, but in general, he looks like a highschool quarterback out there.

I will be starting him this week as I have no other options, now that my WW darling Tarvaris is out. Going forward I will be starting Tebow. I'd recommend others look for other options as well.

 
Yeah, Ryan is rough. At least with Freeman you get some rushing yards / TDs sprinkled in to keep his totals reasonable. Both guys need to be replaced if possible, but that's not exactly easy without hurting your team at a different position.

'amaizingblu said:
'sbonomo said:
I will never go into another year with out having a tier I/Ia qb..This is the second year in a row that i have looked for a QB late (mine was freeman this year but could very well could have been ryan as i had him ranked high) and am regretting it. You know the old saying; fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice.....
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What does that have to do with the "Strategy"? Okay, suck for luck this year. But those who drafted Stafford, Flacco, Hass, Cam, etc... late aren't regretting the strategy.
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My thinking, as well. As the guy who took a chance on Rodgers 4 years ago in round 16 and kept him ever since (last year with him :( ) I will never give up the late QB strategy. Especially with the continued evolution to the 400+ yard passing games we see constantly, I'm spending the round 1-4 picks on WR/RB. Thankfully, with this year being the last year of keeper eligibility for Rodgers, I took the plunge and drafted my first ever rookie QB in round 18 this year, selecting Cam. Freeman on one team isn't enough to make me give up on a strategy I beleive in.
 
'sbonomo said:
I will never go into another year with out having a tier I/Ia qb..This is the second year in a row that i have looked for a QB late (mine was freeman this year but could very well could have been ryan as i had him ranked high) and am regretting it. You know the old saying; fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice.....
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:rolleyes:a. don't Ditch Ryan. The falcons will pull it together. rather than iterate why I think so here I'm actually gonna spin off this to another thread. prolly later though. gotta go hit the links. it's beautiful outside. :pickle:
 
I would start Tebow in a heartbeat over Ryan...but since I won't have a chance in hell at him this week in FABB bidding I'm going to replace him with Alex Smith or Matt Cassell as my QB2(yes it's come to that). Not all Ryan's fault but that OLine is getting hime killed and that ain't gonna change anytime soon whereas there is more room for hope in SF and KC IMO.

 
'Banemorth said:
'gotexansgo said:
Rolling him out there this week again...Have Flacco on the bench but with Matty Ice the potential for a negative point game is much less then with Flacco...Will likely be rolling out Tebow week 7 regardless though, still holding out hope Ryan can develop into the guy I thought he could be.
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My question is that if they cover Roddy who the hell is he going to throw to?
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He did ok last season throwing every pass to Roddy while Roddy was triple teamed.
 
I am very frustrated with Ryan and the Falcons in general. The OL has been shaky all year and even when they've played better Ryan still seems to have jitters in the pocket. I'm invested only in Julio Jones and it's been extremely frustrating watching Ryan's deep ball. Jones was in position to make monster plays several times this year and Ryan missed or under threw. In the latest example, he even caused Jones to pull his hamstring. Watch the play if you can somehow. Another errant deep pass, Julio had to make a high speed, in stride adjustment to try to change position to have a chance at it and popped the hammy. Fun.

 
At the very least, after this performance, he is no longer startable except in the most desperate of situations.

Boarderline droppable, now that we're working our way through bye weeks - and his is still to come.

 
I never got the love for Ryan. Certainly don't know what he's ever done to get the Matty Ice moniker. He is a qb 2 at the moment

 
Ummm Ryan did throw 28 TDs last season.

People here are talking as if he's Tavaris Jackson or Rex Gross man or something ...geez..

Ryan has been below average so far but there's still a ton of games left in the season..

Ryan's value came from not being able to spend alot on him and still being able to acquire solid QB stats..

 
'LawFitz said:
I am very frustrated with Ryan and the Falcons in general. The OL has been shaky all year and even when they've played better Ryan still seems to have jitters in the pocket. I'm invested only in Julio Jones and it's been extremely frustrating watching Ryan's deep ball. Jones was in position to make monster plays several times this year and Ryan missed or under threw. In the latest example, he even caused Jones to pull his hamstring. Watch the play if you can somehow. Another errant deep pass, Julio had to make a high speed, in stride adjustment to try to change position to have a chance at it and popped the hammy. Fun.
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very very :goodposting: this qb - he needs a new nickname - he is the ultimate system/safety first qb.matty skirt?mattdress?matty manager?meggy ryan?
 
'TarheelBlue said:
I'll be normalizing his stats for that anomalous rushing TD. Thank god, though.
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I don't understand this. Are you also going to normalize the two PI calls in the endzone? The Falcons had the ball inside the 2 yard line 3 times. Would you normalize anything if Ryan ran a play action and hit Gonzalez over the middle? 3 goal line situations, and Ryan accounted for 1 TD. That seems about right to me.
 
Loads of problems here incl. Ryan. You can tell when they are running just from their formation. OL isn't that good. Turner runs with cement shoes as does Tong G. Should be using Jacquizz some.

 
'Zal said:
Ummm Ryan did throw 28 TDs last season.People here are talking as if he's Tavaris Jackson or Rex Gross man or something ...geez..Ryan has been below average so far but there's still a ton of games left in the season..Ryan's value came from not being able to spend alot on him and still being able to acquire solid QB stats..
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hes been terrible THIS year and i honestly have no clue why
 
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