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Time to Dump Gates! (1 Viewer)

32 is really old for a TE. Most of the hall of famers retired between the ages of 31 and 33. In general, TEs don't last that much longer than RBs. After the injury problems he has had that last couple of years it shouldn't surprise anyone he is almost done.

 
'x260bm said:
32 is really old for a TE. Most of the hall of famers retired between the ages of 31 and 33. In general, TEs don't last that much longer than RBs. After the injury problems he has had that last couple of years it shouldn't surprise anyone he is almost done.
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Tony Gonzalez is almost 50.
 
'therush said:
Do they start getting Rosario more involved? He looked good on his catch I saw tonight. Looks like a younger version of Gates tbh.
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Gates can still get open short and in the end zone.What I had thought was that Gates would (again) become Rivers' big red zone threat, and regardless of age that is often a TE's last refuge. Like what Rosario did a couple weeks back with 3 TDs. There's no reason Gates can't do that.... but he hasn't.I don't want to become the guy that trades for Chris Johnson TE-wise. The theor yit has to get better does not mean it will get better just because he's on your roster.
 
'x260bm said:
32 is really old for a TE. Most of the hall of famers retired between the ages of 31 and 33. In general, TEs don't last that much longer than RBs. After the injury problems he has had that last couple of years it shouldn't surprise anyone he is almost done.
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Most of the Hall of Fame TEs played in a completely different era of football. Thus, the age at which they retired is irrelevant.Only 1 HOF TE has retired in the past since 1990 - Shannon Sharpe, who retired after the 2003 season. Sharpe was 35 in his final season and had 62/770/8 receiving. From a fantasy perspective, that ranked as #2 among TEs.Now we have Tony Gonzalez as the likely next HOF TE. Gonzalez is 36 and currently ranks as TE #1 this year to date. Last year, at age 35, he finished as TE #4.32 is not really old for a HOF caliber TE in this era.
 
'SaintsInDome2006 said:
Gates can still get open short and in the end zone.

What I had thought was that Gates would (again) become Rivers' big red zone threat, and regardless of age that is often a TE's last refuge. Like what Rosario did a couple weeks back with 3 TDs. There's no reason Gates can't do that.... but he hasn't.

I don't want to become the guy that trades for Chris Johnson TE-wise. The theor yit has to get better does not mean it will get better just because he's on your roster.
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Gates can still get open all over the field when he doesn't face extra coverage. From Rotoworld after week 5:
Antonio Gates was held to three catches for 19 yards in San Diego's Week 5 loss to the Saints.

Gates was targeted seven times, but held to 22 yards or fewer for the second time in three games as Philip Rivers focused his attention deeper downfield. Gates appeared to double his yardage total on San Diego's final drive, but had a roughly 25-yard gain negated by a laughable offensive pass interference call. It's another frustrating effort for fantasy owners, but Gates appeared as healthy as he has all season, and ran well against a Saints' pass defense that's been surprisingly effective at shutting down tight ends. It's still not time to bail if you're an owner. Gates will get the Broncos in Week 6, whom he beat for six catches, 49 yards and a touchdown in Week 12 last season. Oct 8 - 12:47 AM
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Gates was also targeted in the end zone but was well defended. From Rotoworld after week 4:
Antonio Gates caught just three passes for 59 yards in Week 4.

Gates was targeted five times in the first half but was a non-factor after halftime. He took Chiefs safety Eric Berry to school in the first two quarters, but the Chiefs changed up their scheme for the second half. It's been a very slow start to the season for Gates, as he has just 10 catches for 124 yards and zero touchdowns in his three games played. The Chargers' Week 5 opponent is New Orleans, and they have been, surprisingly, the best at stopping opposing tight ends through the first three weeks.
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Gates drew two penalties on Berry in the first half, in addition to his 3 catches. Gates missed week 2 and played week 3 with a rib injury. From Rotoworld after week 1:
Antonio Gates caught four passes for 43 yards in Week 1.

Gates was targeted nine times on the night and would have put up better numbers if not for a couple of drops, one in the endzone and one for a possible 25-yard gain down the left sideline. Gates also missed some snaps in the third quarter to a rib injury, which doesn't look to be serious...
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Altogether, the biggest reasons for his slow start are the rib injury and some uncharacteristic drops. I expect him to rebound and perform well the rest of the season.
 
Gates has had a chronic foot issue for going on 3 years now. I have not even considered him draftable for 2 years now. Much more "reliable" options out there.

 
I looked at some WW alternatives but Gates is getting more targets than them. Rivers is obviously still looking his way.

I don't believe talent disappears overnight so I'm holding for now.

 
'Just Win Baby said:
'eaglesfan17 said:
Gates has had a chronic foot issue for going on 3 years now. I have not even considered him draftable for 2 years now. Much more "reliable" options out there.
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He has had no foot issue this year. So it's not "going on 3 years now."
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Not to pick nits, but I remember reading that his foot injury was never going to heal. That is something he's going to deal with the rest of his life. I avoided him like the plague last year because of it, but he clearly was able to manage it after he came back last year. I was hoping he'd keep that pace or better it this year with VJax gone, but so far that theory has inexplicably not panned out. I really don't know why he'd be doing worse than last year other than blaming it on how he is being used in the offense or blaming it on his QB.
 
'FF Ninja said:
'Just Win Baby said:
'eaglesfan17 said:
Gates has had a chronic foot issue for going on 3 years now. I have not even considered him draftable for 2 years now. Much more "reliable" options out there.
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He has had no foot issue this year. So it's not "going on 3 years now."
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Not to pick nits, but I remember reading that his foot injury was never going to heal. That is something he's going to deal with the rest of his life. I avoided him like the plague last year because of it, but he clearly was able to manage it after he came back last year. I was hoping he'd keep that pace or better it this year with VJax gone, but so far that theory has inexplicably not panned out. I really don't know why he'd be doing worse than last year other than blaming it on how he is being used in the offense or blaming it on his QB.
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You answered your own question.
 
Dropped Pitta to help my pathetic RB situation hoping Jahvid Best does something.....so I am stuck with gates for a little longer. I have been trying so hard to help my RBs that I have missed a lot of waiver gems at TE after Pitta.

 
'MCguidance said:
'FF Ninja said:
'Just Win Baby said:
'eaglesfan17 said:
Gates has had a chronic foot issue for going on 3 years now. I have not even considered him draftable for 2 years now. Much more "reliable" options out there.
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He has had no foot issue this year. So it's not "going on 3 years now."
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Not to pick nits, but I remember reading that his foot injury was never going to heal. That is something he's going to deal with the rest of his life. I avoided him like the plague last year because of it, but he clearly was able to manage it after he came back last year. I was hoping he'd keep that pace or better it this year with VJax gone, but so far that theory has inexplicably not panned out. I really don't know why he'd be doing worse than last year other than blaming it on how he is being used in the offense or blaming it on his QB.
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You answered your own question.
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Did you guys not read the stuff I posted from Rotoworld?1. It's a small sample size: 4 games, and in a couple of them he was dealing with the rib injury.

2. He has had a couple of uncharacteristic drops. I do not expect that to be a continuing trend.

3. He has drawn a few DPI penalties that were positive for his NFL production but not his fantasy production.

4. He has had a couple of plays called back due to phantom penalties.

His production will level out and should still be top 5-10 TE caliber production.

As for the foot, can anyone link to a report from this preseason or this season where he or Norv or a beat writer indicates it is bothering him or affecting his production? I haven't seen any such reports.

 
'Just Win Baby said:
Did you guys not read the stuff I posted from Rotoworld?1. It's a small sample size: 4 games, and in a couple of them he was dealing with the rib injury.2. He has had a couple of uncharacteristic drops. I do not expect that to be a continuing trend.3. He has drawn a few DPI penalties that were positive for his NFL production but not his fantasy production.4. He has had a couple of plays called back due to phantom penalties.His production will level out and should still be top 5-10 TE caliber production.
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I will go out on a limb and say that Gates has no shot of finishing as a top 5 TE this year, barring a series of injuries to a lot of the top TEs. He'll be lucky to finish top 10. Right now, in a league where TEs can more PPR than WRs and RBs, he is 30th. The lack of production isn't as concerning as the eyeball test; he simply doesn't look like the same player. He looks old and slower.
 
Monday night football is a statement game for gates. If he plays well expect good production the rest of the season. If he doesn't, put a fork in him cuz he's done.

 
I'm upgrading the Charger offense for the rest of the year. I think Gates could be in for a big game- Denver is weak on the interior. I'm not sure how much I like Meachem or Floyd but Vincent Jackson coming back will be a big boost to this team. Their schedule opens up considerably too. Mathews has a few games under his belt plus apparently they have 2 starting quality RBs ;)

 
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'therush said:
I'm upgrading the Charger offense for the rest of the year. I think Gates could be in for a big game- Denver is weak on the interior. I'm not sure how much I like Meachem or Floyd but Vincent Jackson coming back will be a big boost to this team. Their schedule opens up considerably too. Mathews has a few games under his belt plus apparently they have 2 starting quality RBs ;)
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Vincent Jackson is coming back? ;)
 
'Just Win Baby said:
'therush said:
I'm upgrading the Charger offense for the rest of the year. I think Gates could be in for a big game- Denver is weak on the interior. I'm not sure how much I like Meachem or Floyd but Vincent Jackson coming back will be a big boost to this team. Their schedule opens up considerably too. Mathews has a few games under his belt plus apparently they have 2 starting quality RBs ;)
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Vincent Jackson is coming back? ;)
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Brown*. Same effect. :blackdot:
 
'SameSongNDance said:
'PhantomJB said:
Here are the FBG Top 12 TE recpt/yds stats for week 5. We all know that TDs are highly variable and Gates himself got a great look.1. Graham 1/42. Gronk 4/353. Gonzo 13/1234. V.D. 5/1065. Gates 3/196. Bennett 3/307. Daniels MNF8. Celek 3/99. Finley 3/1110. Olsen 2/3711. Rudolph 4/2312. Pitta 3/22Only two Top 12 TE's with > 50 yards. Dudes need to get off the ledge and get some perspective.
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Now, do this for all five weeks and get back on the ledge. :thumbup:
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Getting your predictions right is easy when you play both sides of the fence.
 
'johnnyrock62000 said:
'johnnyrock62000 said:
'johnnyrock62000 said:
Last week he's in there for me. Glad I was able to snag HMiller a few weeks ago. I never thought it would come to this after hearing he was in the best shape in years.
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To be clear I'm still holding, just not starting.
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I'll show my face. I WAS holding. But I started him anyway for MNF. He's at his best on the big stage right?
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I've started him every game - 'bout time. He's my only TE. Not sure what I'm gonna do about his bye week.
 
'PhantomJB said:
'SameSongNDance said:
'PhantomJB said:
Here are the FBG Top 12 TE recpt/yds stats for week 5. We all know that TDs are highly variable and Gates himself got a great look.1. Graham 1/42. Gronk 4/353. Gonzo 13/1234. V.D. 5/1065. Gates 3/196. Bennett 3/307. Daniels MNF8. Celek 3/99. Finley 3/1110. Olsen 2/3711. Rudolph 4/2312. Pitta 3/22Only two Top 12 TE's with > 50 yards. Dudes need to get off the ledge and get some perspective.
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Now, do this for all five weeks and get back on the ledge. :thumbup:
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Getting your predictions right is easy when you play both sides of the fence.
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That was more so me pointing out how utterly silly it was using a sample size as small as one week to determine if a guy was was washed up or not.Also, if you end up pointing out how earlier in this thread I mentioned that I was happy for swapping Gates and Daniels in a package deal where I was perceivably downgrading, I still am.Nowhere did I say he was washed up or finished. In fact, whichever side of the fence I'm on is still up for debate. A large percent of my prediction was predicated on the fact that DEN has been awful against TEs.Oh and Gates just won me a match up in another league. :clap:
 
'Rovers said:
Gates would have had a nice stat line this week if it wasn't for:1. Rivers2. Nolan3. NO defense4. Pitiful officiatingIf you said 4, you're a winner!PS: I am NOT a Gates owner. I'd give ya Celek for Gates right now.
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I guess the Gates for Celek deal is off now? :popcorn:
 
I've been holding onto him and playing him. I never thought he looked slow like a lot of other people were saying. Patience is all that was needed.

 
Btw, how many folks are going to try and sell high now that he has had a good game? I'm certainly not, but just curious...

 
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
'SameSongNDance said:
A large percent of my prediction was predicated on the fact that DEN has been awful against TEs.
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they have?
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They've allowed the 9th most fantasy points to TE's. When a team is bottom 10 at something, I think that usually constitutes labeling them as awful.Miller 4/50/1Gonzo 7/70/1Daniels 3/26/1They shut down Gronk to the tune of 4/35/0 but I'm inclined to think that was a product of his hip issues and NE using him primarily as a blocker as they dominated DEN on the ground.Yes, DEN is susceptible to TEs.
 
Sweet! Gates just won me a game. Now, if I could only retroactively use some of tonight's pts in the 3 games he lost for me.

 
'SameSongNDance said:
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
'SameSongNDance said:
A large percent of my prediction was predicated on the fact that DEN has been awful against TEs.
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they have?
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They've allowed the 9th most fantasy points to TE's. When a team is bottom 10 at something, I think that usually constitutes labeling them as awful.Miller 4/50/1Gonzo 7/70/1Daniels 3/26/1They shut down Gronk to the tune of 4/35/0 but I'm inclined to think that was a product of his hip issues and NE using him primarily as a blocker as they dominated DEN on the ground.Yes, DEN is susceptible to TEs.
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dude.....
 
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
'SameSongNDance said:
'Kool-Aid Larry said:
'SameSongNDance said:
A large percent of my prediction was predicated on the fact that DEN has been awful against TEs.
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they have?
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They've allowed the 9th most fantasy points to TE's. When a team is bottom 10 at something, I think that usually constitutes labeling them as awful.Miller 4/50/1Gonzo 7/70/1Daniels 3/26/1They shut down Gronk to the tune of 4/35/0 but I'm inclined to think that was a product of his hip issues and NE using him primarily as a blocker as they dominated DEN on the ground.Yes, DEN is susceptible to TEs.
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dude.....
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bro?
 
'Ghost Rider said:
'Just Win Baby said:
Did you guys not read the stuff I posted from Rotoworld?1. It's a small sample size: 4 games, and in a couple of them he was dealing with the rib injury.2. He has had a couple of uncharacteristic drops. I do not expect that to be a continuing trend.3. He has drawn a few DPI penalties that were positive for his NFL production but not his fantasy production.4. He has had a couple of plays called back due to phantom penalties.His production will level out and should still be top 5-10 TE caliber production.
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I will go out on a limb and say that Gates has no shot of finishing as a top 5 TE this year, barring a series of injuries to a lot of the top TEs. He'll be lucky to finish top 10. Right now, in a league where TEs can more PPR than WRs and RBs, he is 30th. The lack of production isn't as concerning as the eyeball test; he simply doesn't look like the same player. He looks old and slower.
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:thumbup:
 
I'm covering the bye with Scott Chandler.

If Gates hadn't blown up tonight I might have been tempted to dump him for Brandon Myers. He's been killing me all year.

 
'BobbyLayne said:
I'm covering the bye with Scott Chandler. If Gates hadn't blown up tonight I might have been tempted to dump him for Brandon Myers. He's been killing me all year.
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I wish he had a bad game so I could have dropped him as well. Now I will be forced to start him.
 
This.... isn't getting any better, is it?

According to CBS, still 100% owned, 93% started.

In 0.5 PPR, 23.2 FF points all year (including a killer late scratch) agaiunst teams not currently giving up the most yards in NFL history.

 
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