Time to Sell Andre Johnson (1 Viewer)

[money.never.sleeps]

But you're right

Couldve just skipped all the typing and went straight to the bottom line but feel free to continue arguing with yourself

Let's just make sure you're never a lawyer or your client would be in trouble . But the trend in targets, granted after the GB game, showed bigger games were coming

Those hating on AJ, or those hating on those that now are rejoicing with AJ are trying to rationalize why they sold when they sold. No big deal.

Would I have sold AJ for Cobb, I don't know, maybe. In fact, if I did, I would not care what others thought. Nor would I care that AJ i blowing up now, because he would no longer be on my team.

bah.. I made several valid points weeks ago on why bigger games could be coming for AJ and for people not to sell low. This was before Kubiak came out and stated they needed to get him more involved so Im more than comfortable with what I know.I dont see many hating on AJ other than Maven. Also think you're nit picking at general conversation but points taken I guess... And I didnt just sell AJ for Cobb. I made sure my playoff matchups would be easier to predict by acquiring Luck. Not sure what you're rambling about in terms of caring about AJ. Again, just sounds like arguing for no reason.

I own Foster so Im actually happy that the Texans passing game is coming around. The offense had been stagnant for several weeks so Im excited to see a better balance along with better play calling.

 

[Shutout]

LOL Andre owners were quiet 9 of his 11 games... Now they want to talk with their chest out. Get real man... He's been good these last two weeks but many many scouts said he was done. I wasn't the only one. Obviously he still has these games left in him but , again I reiterate.... THIS IS NOT THE ANDRE YOU EXPECTED THIS SEASON WHEN YOU USED A HIGH 2-3 PICK ON HIM. He's been shutdown plenty of games this season by lesser talented DBS. You assume no one was able to flip him for something better?

I myself traded him straight up for Hakeem nicks, who's been trash but then flipped him and Eli plus another player for Aaron Rodgers and Jennings... So it all worked for me

A guy who is on pace for about 100/1500? Haha, what a putz... keep putting your foot in your mouth. No scouts said he was done. He's only 31! Just start a new account and move on.

I mean, really? This is EXACTLY what I expect as an AJ owner. I woke up this morning, he has been a huge difference maker for me, yet again, and I'm getting ready for the playoffs. He is WR5 in my ppr. How can I ever argue or think that's not justified with where he was picked and in comparison to the WRs picked around him?

Maven, i saw an old bazooka Joe wrapper with a fortune that is perfect advise for you: If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

I don't know how you can possibly make the statements you are. you speak as if the only possible way he justifies his draft spot in the 2/3 area is if he signnificantly outplays it. That's not the case at all. as the 5th ranked WR, people got a good deal. WRs aren't going to put up league leading points every week. If you want to discount AJ because he had a few games with less than 10 points or whatever, you need to realize this is true with EVERY WR. Calvin has had slow weeks. AJ, Marshall, etc, etc.

Actually, the only WR I can think of who has scored double digits in every game this year is Reggie Wayne.

 

[Maven]

LOL Andre owners were quiet 9 of his 11 games... Now they want to talk with their chest out. Get real man... He's been good these last two weeks but many many scouts said he was done. I wasn't the only one. Obviously he still has these games left in him but , again I reiterate.... THIS IS NOT THE ANDRE YOU EXPECTED THIS SEASON WHEN YOU USED A HIGH 2-3 PICK ON HIM. He's been shutdown plenty of games this season by lesser talented DBS. You assume no one was able to flip him for something better?

I myself traded him straight up for Hakeem nicks, who's been trash but then flipped him and Eli plus another player for Aaron Rodgers and Jennings... So it all worked for me

A guy who is on pace for about 100/1500? Haha, what a putz... keep putting your foot in your mouth. No scouts said he was done. He's only 31! Just start a new account and move on.

I mean, really? This is EXACTLY what I expect as an AJ owner. I woke up this morning, he has been a huge difference maker for me, yet again, and I'm getting ready for the playoffs. He is WR5 in my ppr. How can I ever argue or think that's not justified with where he was picked and in comparison to the WRs picked around him?

Maven, i saw an old bazooka Joe wrapper with a fortune that is perfect advise for you: If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

I don't know how you can possibly make the statements you are. you speak as if the only possible way he justifies his draft spot in the 2/3 area is if he signnificantly outplays it. That's not the case at all. as the 5th ranked WR, people got a good deal. WRs aren't going to put up league leading points every week. If you want to discount AJ because he had a few games with less than 10 points or whatever, you need to realize this is true with EVERY WR. Calvin has had slow weeks. AJ, Marshall, etc, etc.

Actually, the only WR I can think of who has scored double digits in every game this year is Reggie Wayne.

LMAOBigger hole? This guys fantasy point production has been all over the map so far this season and hes made up HUGE ground in essentially 2 NON TYPICAL GAMES.

This is the Andre we've known

-top 5 in targets

-avg double digit targets most of the year

-tops in yardage

-closer to 9 tds at this point of the year

-better week to week variance in points scored

-dominating DBS

-seperation on routes

-will get injured

This is the Andre we've seen this year

-7.8 targ up until week 11 ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-near middle of pack in wr targets overall ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-non domination of inferrior dbs ... UNCHARACTERISTIC

-inconsistent seperation on routes ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-healthy ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

What part of Andres game up until this point mirrors his production you foresaw when you drafted him in the 1st or 2nd round? His 468 yards in two games? Get real man. Hes benefited from 2 cupcake defenses against the pass and has managed to avoid injury. You justifying his variable production and claiming "this is what i expected" is a bald face lie. LOL

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That shovel sure looks heavy.

 

[Maven]

That shovel sure looks heavy.

Na I'm looking good right now. When AJ gets injured or puts up another 5pt game like we seen this season youll be regretting you didnt trade him. I ended up with Aaron Rodgers indirectly for him, I'm feeling just great

 

[Maven]

Also the score is 9 games to 2 on the "I told ya so" scoreboard. I'm not even sweating this prediction.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Also the score is 9 games to 2 on the "I told ya so" scoreboard. I'm not even sweating this prediction.

Here are Johnson's weekly scores, which nine of them do you think prove he's past it?47.3

27.8

25.9

19.8

17.6

15.5

15.2

8.6

7.5

5.1

2.5

Also worth noting...

(TheHuddle) In his last two games, Houston Texans WR Andre Johnson put together the best back-to-back outings by a receiver in NFL history with a total of 461 yards.

 

[lod01]

Maven destroyed.

 

[Shutout]

LOL Andre owners were quiet 9 of his 11 games... Now they want to talk with their chest out. Get real man... He's been good these last two weeks but many many scouts said he was done. I wasn't the only one. Obviously he still has these games left in him but , again I reiterate.... THIS IS NOT THE ANDRE YOU EXPECTED THIS SEASON WHEN YOU USED A HIGH 2-3 PICK ON HIM. He's been shutdown plenty of games this season by lesser talented DBS. You assume no one was able to flip him for something better?

I myself traded him straight up for Hakeem nicks, who's been trash but then flipped him and Eli plus another player for Aaron Rodgers and Jennings... So it all worked for me

A guy who is on pace for about 100/1500? Haha, what a putz... keep putting your foot in your mouth. No scouts said he was done. He's only 31! Just start a new account and move on.

I mean, really? This is EXACTLY what I expect as an AJ owner. I woke up this morning, he has been a huge difference maker for me, yet again, and I'm getting ready for the playoffs. He is WR5 in my ppr. How can I ever argue or think that's not justified with where he was picked and in comparison to the WRs picked around him?

Maven, i saw an old bazooka Joe wrapper with a fortune that is perfect advise for you: If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

I don't know how you can possibly make the statements you are. you speak as if the only possible way he justifies his draft spot in the 2/3 area is if he signnificantly outplays it. That's not the case at all. as the 5th ranked WR, people got a good deal. WRs aren't going to put up league leading points every week. If you want to discount AJ because he had a few games with less than 10 points or whatever, you need to realize this is true with EVERY WR. Calvin has had slow weeks. AJ, Marshall, etc, etc.

Actually, the only WR I can think of who has scored double digits in every game this year is Reggie Wayne.

LMAOBigger hole? This guys fantasy point production has been all over the map so far this season and hes made up HUGE ground in essentially 2 NON TYPICAL GAMES.

This is the Andre we've known

-top 5 in targets

-avg double digit targets most of the year

-tops in yardage

-closer to 9 tds at this point of the year

-better week to week variance in points scored

-dominating DBS

-seperation on routes

-will get injured

This is the Andre we've seen this year

-7.8 targ up until week 11 ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-near middle of pack in wr targets overall ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-non domination of inferrior dbs ... UNCHARACTERISTIC

-inconsistent seperation on routes ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-healthy ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

What part of Andres game up until this point mirrors his production you foresaw when you drafted him in the 1st or 2nd round? His 468 yards in two games? Get real man. Hes benefited from 2 cupcake defenses against the pass and has managed to avoid injury. You justifying his variable production and claiming "this is what i expected" is a bald face lie. LOL

I don't know what to tell you. You clearly have an axe to grind on AJ but as a guy who has owned him for about 7 years now, and looking at it as a whole, I don't know how you even begin to get to the point you are. AJ has had years when he has been cut short by injury. then he had a couple of years where he was unbelievable and stayed healthy and was the clear #1 WR in FF. Then the past two years were a mixed bag with last year being the worst of the bunch.So, when I say people got what they expected, its absolutely the truth because even if you drafted Calvin this year and expected him to be the far and away WR1 again, from start to finish, with no hiccups at all, well that is just foolish. If you have been around this game any length of time at all you know it is extremely rare for WRs to put together 2-3 years of absolute dominant production. There's always a lull, an injury, or something that derails it. What you are shooting for when you draft these guys is the upside and the likelihood of top production overall, not that you expect these guys to robotically crank out 25-30 points each and every week, regardless. And that is exactly what you have. You drafted him to be a top 5-10 WR...he is. You drafted him to be a difference maker on any given week...he is. You drafted him to help you win a title and if you held him instead of selling him, that is exactly what he is doing now.

Seriously man, your attitude on this really makes me think you are so stubborn that you would cut your nose off to spite your face to prevent admitting you are wrong or you're just one one of those guys that would yell at your kid for bringing home an A because you knew the teacher had offered 5 bonus points on a test and the kid missed it. Argue it any way you want but the fact remains: Advising people to sell AJ a month or so ago was a BAD suggestion. I know I definitely would rather have him in my lineup instead of playing against him right now and that's all I need to know to evaluate your advice.

 

[Shutout]

Also the score is 9 games to 2 on the "I told ya so" scoreboard. I'm not even sweating this prediction.

Here are Johnson's weekly scores, which nine of them do you think prove he's past it?47.3

27.8

25.9

19.8

17.6

15.5

15.2

8.6

7.5

5.1

2.5

Also worth noting...

(TheHuddle) In his last two games, Houston Texans WR Andre Johnson put together the best back-to-back outings by a receiver in NFL history with a total of 461 yards.

Really.

If Maven can find 9 games out of that which justifies selling poor old broken down, obviously crotchety and creaky nursing home-bound AJ, then really all that tells us is that Maven needs to find a new hobby/addiction because the bar he is using to set the standard isn't a good measuring tool for this hobby and he's going to lose...A LOT. I mean, if you can't see that you were wrong on calling a shot on a top 5 WR that has basically had a bad game here or there (sorry...he's human) but just showed you over the past few weeks that he is still great (evidenced by setting an all-time NFL record), then I don't know what to tell you. I guess the Fitz owners should cut him. Aj Green's TD streak was snapped. I guess he's out. Calvin started slow so I'm guessing you jettisoned him in Week 3. Maybe the best advice we can all give Maven is "its a marathon, not a sprint."

 

[cobalt_27]

Maven destroyed.

Guys who can't even admit they were wrong when the evidence is so overwhelming that they are...they should have posting privileges revoked.

 

[flapgreen]

Also the score is 9 games to 2 on the "I told ya so" scoreboard. I'm not even sweating this prediction.

 

[Yolkix]

I said it all off season and never once backed off from this simple FACT: Andre Johnson is a top 5 receiving talent in the league and the CREAM rises to the TOP in the NFL. Yes I was called and am a big Andre fan, but I am a fan for a reason. He and Calvin are reminding people why they drafted them. Texans are becoming a complete team at the right time, they realize just running Foster wont win the Super Bowl and they need Andre and Schaub in prime form for the playoffs. I had him at #2 pre season behind Calvin and while I will give you Wayne (like you can honestly say you had him this high either) and Green but besides those two and Calvin there is no one I would rather have. If you aren't playing ppr I guess you can dock him for not scoring as many TD's.. but TD's are hard to predict and aren't a good measure of a receivers skill.

 

[FF Ninja]

Maven is clearly delusional, but to be fair, AJ is #6 in PPR and #11 in non-PPR. I'm not gonna lie... I targeted him in every league and definitely drafted him above those rankings. The only think keep him from being easily top 5 is the TDs. He typically gets about 1/3rd of Schaub's TDs when he's in the game, so this is clearly an outlier. More strange is that Schaub has 11 passing attempts inside the 5 yard line for 7 touchdowns and not only does AJ not have a single one of those touchdowns, he hasn't even seen a single one of those targets! Schaub has thrown the ball to AJ 105 times out of 367 times (29%) NOT inside the 5 and 0 times out of 11 inside the 5. Sad times for AJ owners, but obviously he's a pretty good decoy because only Carson Palmer has a better TD/att inside the 5 than Schaub, so I see no reason Kubiak would deviate from his current strategy.

Stafford, who often targets Calvin inside the 5 is only 5 of 17 for 5 TDs (and two INTs). So what's best for fantasy is not always best in real life. So far that hasn't even really panned out for Calvin... he is 3rd (behind Marshall and Julio) with 5 targets inside the 5, but only has 1 TD to show for it. On the year, he has 4 TDs to AJ's 3.

 

[GregR]

Maven is clearly delusional, but to be fair, AJ is #6 in PPR and #11 in non-PPR. I'm not gonna lie... I targeted him in every league and definitely drafted him above those rankings. The only think keep him from being easily top 5 is the TDs. He typically gets about 1/3rd of Schaub's TDs when he's in the game, so this is clearly an outlier. More strange is that Schaub has 11 passing attempts inside the 5 yard line for 7 touchdowns and not only does AJ not have a single one of those touchdowns, he hasn't even seen a single one of those targets! Schaub has thrown the ball to AJ 105 times out of 367 times (29%) NOT inside the 5 and 0 times out of 11 inside the 5. Sad times for AJ owners, but obviously he's a pretty good decoy because only Carson Palmer has a better TD/att inside the 5 than Schaub, so I see no reason Kubiak would deviate from his current strategy.

Stafford, who often targets Calvin inside the 5 is only 5 of 17 for 5 TDs (and two INTs). So what's best for fantasy is not always best in real life. So far that hasn't even really panned out for Calvin... he is 3rd (behind Marshall and Julio) with 5 targets inside the 5, but only has 1 TD to show for it. On the year, he has 4 TDs to AJ's 3.

Yeah, since Foster emerged, the Texans do a lot of play action to the TE inside the five when passing. Especially this year. They don't throw the fade much at all.

 

[Maven]

5 rec 56yds 0TD

 

[Maven]

Also the score is 9 games to 2 on the "I told ya so" scoreboard. I'm not even sweating this prediction.

Here are Johnson's weekly scores, which nine of them do you think prove he's past it?47.3

27.8

25.9

19.8

17.6

15.5

15.2

8.6

7.5

5.1

2.5

Also worth noting...

(TheHuddle) In his last two games, Houston Texans WR Andre Johnson put together the best back-to-back outings by a receiver in NFL history with a total of 461 yards.

LOL yeah post PPR scores. I'm talking standard

 

[silentcoach]

5 rec 56yds 0TD

I'm not sure what posts like these are supposed to do. We are 12 games into the season. At this point players are what their stats say they are (assuming they started close to 12 games). Right now he is on pace for 99 rec, 1485 yds and 4 tds. Where does A.Johnson rank now in your league? That is who he is.And whether you point to his good or bad games is largely irrelevant at this point in the season.c

 

[Biabreakable]

5 rec 56yds 0TD

And? I am not going to look it up but I bet even Jerry Rice had 50 or more games over his career with a similar stat line. You have been playing FF too long to not realize that WR do not get 100 yards every time they play no matter how good they are.

 

[lod01]

5 rec 56yds 0TD

I'm not sure what posts like these are supposed to do. We are 12 games into the season. At this point players are what their stats say they are (assuming they started close to 12 games). Right now he is on pace for 99 rec, 1485 yds and 4 tds. Where does A.Johnson rank now in your league? That is who he is.And whether you point to his good or bad games is largely irrelevant at this point in the season.c

Caught 5 of 7 passes thrown his way vs a really ####ty team that they beat before the halftime show. Kubiak following his script of 'when we have the game in the bag, Andre will not be put at risk'. It is what it is and will be for the rest of the year. Fortuantely they play New England this week who never lets off the gas pedal. Maven will disappear for a week if this becomes a shootout.No passes AJ's way in the last 3 series. One in the 6 series after haltime. The only thing Maven even is close to being right about is that this team will not throw Andre's way when they have the game in hand. Of course, he never even did enough anaylsis to say that, so he isn't even right about that. If he would have said that, he would have been 100% correct. In any games vs patsies, I will start DX over Andre. Indy week 15 has some potential. Week 16 vs Minnesota at home, forget it. They will bury Ponder and the Vikings quickly.

 

[silentcoach]

5 rec 56yds 0TD

I'm not sure what posts like these are supposed to do. We are 12 games into the season. At this point players are what their stats say they are (assuming they started close to 12 games).

Right now he is on pace for 99 rec, 1485 yds and 4 tds.

Where does A.Johnson rank now in your league? That is who he is.

And whether you point to his good or bad games is largely irrelevant at this point in the season.c

Caught 5 of 7 passes thrown his way vs a really ####ty team that they beat before the halftime show. Kubiak following his script of 'when we have the game in the bag, Andre will not be put at risk'. It is what it is and will be for the rest of the year. Fortuantely they play New England this week who never lets off the gas pedal. Maven will disappear for a week if this becomes a shootout.No passes AJ's way in the last 3 series. One in the 6 series after haltime.

The only thing Maven even is close to being right about is that this team will not throw Andre's way when they have the game in hand. Of course, he never even did enough anaylsis to say that, so he isn't even right about that. If he would have said that, he would have been 100% correct.

In any games vs patsies, I will start DX over Andre. Indy week 15 has some potential. Week 16 vs Minnesota at home, forget it. They will bury Ponder and the Vikings quickly.

....that AND the fact that the vikings are not too bad versus wrs .Wait, weren't the jags supposed to be patsies too . I'm just poking holes. All in good fun.

 

[lod01]

5 rec 56yds 0TD

I'm not sure what posts like these are supposed to do. We are 12 games into the season. At this point players are what their stats say they are (assuming they started close to 12 games).

Right now he is on pace for 99 rec, 1485 yds and 4 tds.

Where does A.Johnson rank now in your league? That is who he is.

And whether you point to his good or bad games is largely irrelevant at this point in the season.c

Caught 5 of 7 passes thrown his way vs a really ####ty team that they beat before the halftime show. Kubiak following his script of 'when we have the game in the bag, Andre will not be put at risk'. It is what it is and will be for the rest of the year. Fortuantely they play New England this week who never lets off the gas pedal. Maven will disappear for a week if this becomes a shootout.No passes AJ's way in the last 3 series. One in the 6 series after haltime.

The only thing Maven even is close to being right about is that this team will not throw Andre's way when they have the game in hand. Of course, he never even did enough anaylsis to say that, so he isn't even right about that. If he would have said that, he would have been 100% correct.

In any games vs patsies, I will start DX over Andre. Indy week 15 has some potential. Week 16 vs Minnesota at home, forget it. They will bury Ponder and the Vikings quickly.

....that AND the fact that the vikings are not too bad versus wrs .Wait, weren't the jags supposed to be patsies too . I'm just poking holes. All in good fun.

One thing about HOU vs JAX is that Houston struggles once a year with them regardless of how bad they are.

 

[BRONG]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

17.5 tonight in PPR. I have no complaints with that.

 

[BRONG]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

17.5 tonight in PPR. I have no complaints with that.

I don't either. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same. Thoughts?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

17.5 tonight in PPR. I have no complaints with that.

I don't either. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same. Thoughts?

LOL he just caught 8 of 10 targets for 95 yards.You realize that would be 128 catches for 1,520 yards on the season.

This is quite the interesting bump.

He also drew a long PI call. He looks fine to me.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

17.5 tonight in PPR. I have no complaints with that.

I don't either. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same. Thoughts?

Gotcha. I've been drinking.

 

[BRONG]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

17.5 tonight in PPR. I have no complaints with that.

I don't either. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same. Thoughts?

LOL he just caught 8 of 10 targets for 95 yards.You realize that would be 128 catches for 1,520 yards on the season.

This is quite the interesting bump.

He also drew a long PI call. He looks fine to me.

We are all very happy for your team. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Raise your hand if you think he is as explosive as ever. TIA.

17.5 tonight in PPR. I have no complaints with that.

I don't either. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same. Thoughts?

LOL he just caught 8 of 10 targets for 95 yards.You realize that would be 128 catches for 1,520 yards on the season.

This is quite the interesting bump.

He also drew a long PI call. He looks fine to me.

We are all very happy for your team. But the topic here has been whether he looks the same.

The same as a 23 year old AJ?I don't know what you are looking for.

No. I mean no one gets faster as they get older. The great ones are able to continue producing till mid 30's. AJ is still a beast. He runs great routes and gets open.

I find it comical that a guy with 3 games left on the season and is sitting with 82 catches for 1,209 yards you are trying to discredit. He has caught 7 or more passes in at least 7 of the 13 games they have played now on the season. He is sitting with a very respectable YPC of 14.7.

I am sure it is safe to say that AJ no longer runs like he used to. But what more are you looking for out of him. He is on pace to catch 100 passes and have 1,488 yards.

AJ's td's have gone down, but those to a certain extent is not on him as much as what they are doing in the red zone. He never has been a high TD guy though, just the way it has been with him. He will go down as the greatest WR to never catch 10 td's in a single season.

 

[BRONG]

 

[FF Ninja]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Good posting.The fact that I fell for his fishing trip, wrote a response to appease his question and with little to add or respond he settles for an emoticon. Classy.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

 

[Mister CIA]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Looks like the AJ critics will have to wait till next year to try and make their case. This thread has been a bust by the original poster and many others as well.

 

[Mister CIA]

I'm sure a few AJ owners are hoping they can sell high after this season, but unless somebody overwhelms me with an offer I'm content to ride him until the wheels fall off.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

LOL not yet... save this thread and bump it in a few years... you may be right then

 

[Yolkix]

I don't say this often but.. I told ya so. Andre is my dude and I never once doubted him, you can check my post history on this guy since preason, early season, mid season, late season, doesn't matter. He is on the best in the league and will finish for both fantasy and reality right where he belongs. Some people simply over think things, studs are studs. If you where one of the many saying the wheels had fallen off or he was too old/fragile, I hope you played him this week .

 

[Shutout]

LOL Andre owners were quiet 9 of his 11 games... Now they want to talk with their chest out. Get real man... He's been good these last two weeks but many many scouts said he was done. I wasn't the only one. Obviously he still has these games left in him but , again I reiterate.... THIS IS NOT THE ANDRE YOU EXPECTED THIS SEASON WHEN YOU USED A HIGH 2-3 PICK ON HIM. He's been shutdown plenty of games this season by lesser talented DBS. You assume no one was able to flip him for something better?

I myself traded him straight up for Hakeem nicks, who's been trash but then flipped him and Eli plus another player for Aaron Rodgers and Jennings... So it all worked for me

A guy who is on pace for about 100/1500? Haha, what a putz... keep putting your foot in your mouth. No scouts said he was done. He's only 31! Just start a new account and move on.

I mean, really? This is EXACTLY what I expect as an AJ owner. I woke up this morning, he has been a huge difference maker for me, yet again, and I'm getting ready for the playoffs. He is WR5 in my ppr. How can I ever argue or think that's not justified with where he was picked and in comparison to the WRs picked around him?

Maven, i saw an old bazooka Joe wrapper with a fortune that is perfect advise for you: If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

I don't know how you can possibly make the statements you are. you speak as if the only possible way he justifies his draft spot in the 2/3 area is if he signnificantly outplays it. That's not the case at all. as the 5th ranked WR, people got a good deal. WRs aren't going to put up league leading points every week. If you want to discount AJ because he had a few games with less than 10 points or whatever, you need to realize this is true with EVERY WR. Calvin has had slow weeks. AJ, Marshall, etc, etc.

Actually, the only WR I can think of who has scored double digits in every game this year is Reggie Wayne.

LMAOBigger hole? This guys fantasy point production has been all over the map so far this season and hes made up HUGE ground in essentially 2 NON TYPICAL GAMES.

This is the Andre we've known

-top 5 in targets

-avg double digit targets most of the year

-tops in yardage

-closer to 9 tds at this point of the year

-better week to week variance in points scored

-dominating DBS

-seperation on routes

-will get injured

This is the Andre we've seen this year

-7.8 targ up until week 11 ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-near middle of pack in wr targets overall ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-non domination of inferrior dbs ... UNCHARACTERISTIC

-inconsistent seperation on routes ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

-healthy ...UNCHARACTERISTIC

What part of Andres game up until this point mirrors his production you foresaw when you drafted him in the 1st or 2nd round? His 468 yards in two games? Get real man. Hes benefited from 2 cupcake defenses against the pass and has managed to avoid injury. You justifying his variable production and claiming "this is what i expected" is a bald face lie. LOL

I don't know what to tell you. You clearly have an axe to grind on AJ but as a guy who has owned him for about 7 years now, and looking at it as a whole, I don't know how you even begin to get to the point you are. AJ has had years when he has been cut short by injury. then he had a couple of years where he was unbelievable and stayed healthy and was the clear #1 WR in FF. Then the past two years were a mixed bag with last year being the worst of the bunch.So, when I say people got what they expected, its absolutely the truth because even if you drafted Calvin this year and expected him to be the far and away WR1 again, from start to finish, with no hiccups at all, well that is just foolish. If you have been around this game any length of time at all you know it is extremely rare for WRs to put together 2-3 years of absolute dominant production. There's always a lull, an injury, or something that derails it. What you are shooting for when you draft these guys is the upside and the likelihood of top production overall, not that you expect these guys to robotically crank out 25-30 points each and every week, regardless. And that is exactly what you have. You drafted him to be a top 5-10 WR...he is. You drafted him to be a difference maker on any given week...he is. You drafted him to help you win a title and if you held him instead of selling him, that is exactly what he is doing now.

Seriously man, your attitude on this really makes me think you are so stubborn that you would cut your nose off to spite your face to prevent admitting you are wrong or you're just one one of those guys that would yell at your kid for bringing home an A because you knew the teacher had offered 5 bonus points on a test and the kid missed it. Argue it any way you want but the fact remains: Advising people to sell AJ a month or so ago was a BAD suggestion. I know I definitely would rather have him in my lineup instead of playing against him right now and that's all I need to know to evaluate your advice.

Its a marathon, not a sprint. We all get caught up on both sides on these things. We should be more patient.

 

[GregR]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.

That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

 

[Shutout]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

You know that is a REALLY good point/observation. You never see AJ streaking in stride on a ball anymore. It's very rare. Maybe people who labeled him as "slowing down" based that on perception and the reality is he does tend to squat or park or stop and jump...because he has to in order to come back and get that ball.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

You know that is a REALLY good point/observation. You never see AJ streaking in stride on a ball anymore. It's very rare. Maybe people who labeled him as "slowing down" based that on perception and the reality is he does tend to squat or park or stop and jump...because he has to in order to come back and get that ball.

Excellent point for sure.I am still waiting for his critics to come and admit their defeat.

 

[TakiToki]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

If that's the criterion for a weak arm, then Daunte Culpepper had a noodle. . . and he could throw a 40-yard frozen rope. Think it's more about timing and recognition than arm strength.

 

[Warrior]

Well done, guys. I guess Calvin Johnson is slowing down, too? And that Peterson fellow...he's not the same as he was.

 

[Yolkix]

Washed up, too old, lost a step, no longer elite, overrated, over valued, wouldn't touch until the 5th round. This guy is the ultimate football player, he has the physical skills, the mental makeup, the work ethic, and the proper attitude. He was voted by the players that actually take the field in the NFL as the 15th best player in the entire league this past off season... and he missed half of the previous year. To me this is what is the most fun about fantasy, when you follow your gut on a guy no one any longer believes in, draft him in the top 15 of your biggest league, start him every single game regardless of the slow start, and he carries your team from out of the playoffs to a .45 point win in the semis.

To quote Eminem: "Mother ****** act like they forgot about Dre", I didn't though.Thank you Andre, I never once doubted you.

 

[GregR]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

If that's the criterion for a weak arm, then Daunte Culpepper had a noodle. . . and he could throw a 40-yard frozen rope. Think it's more about timing and recognition than arm strength.

Not sure what you think my criterion is besides "not being able to throw the ball far".Schaub made the throw as soon as he made the turn on the bootleg and could stride fully into the throw. He had a full stride with no defender near him. He managed to throw it from the 20 to the 25. That's 55 yards in the air. Dre slowed down the last 20+ yards of the route to not outrun the throw. That's below average. Strong armed NFL QBs can throw it about as far flat-footed as Schaub was able to throw it striding into it. He's accurate and smart, but a big arm he does not have. It isn't timing or recognition. Those are strengths of his generally.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Think Maven has already started posting under a new handle?

What a joke. He just kept on and on... Poor guy.

 

[Ignoramus]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

If that's the criterion for a weak arm, then Daunte Culpepper had a noodle. . . and he could throw a 40-yard frozen rope. Think it's more about timing and recognition than arm strength.

Schaub has a very average arm (and that's being generous). He's quite accurate on short-to-intermediate throws but isn't known for his deep ball. About the only guy he overthrows is Kevin Walter.

 

[jsharlan]

If Schaub had a stronger arm, AJ would have so many more touchdowns. He beat the defender by probably 10-15 yards, but had to stop and wait for the ball, fighting him for the catch instead of being able to run in stride to the end zone.That's been the case throughout his career. Schaub's arm strength probably costs Johnson a good half dozen TDs a year, easily.

So much this. It's painful to watch. Cement shoes and a noodle arm.

 

[Major]

Did you know: In the last 8 games, WR Andre Johnson has 68 catches for 1,002 yds, the best 8-game stretch in his career. Cool thread, guy!