Time to sell DeAngelo? (1 Viewer)

[Futz]

He finally got a TD and Claussen played a little better. Still, he's only getting around 10-12 touches per game and now Steve Smith goes down with the dreaded HAS eliminating just about any resemblence of a WR threat on the field.

Is it time to get while the gettin is good? Or is he just too good of a player being in a contract year to let walk?

Personally, I'm leaning towards holding him but I do think you could get some comparable value for him right now that is in a better situation offensively. (J.Charles?)

 

[Resident A]

The only way DeAngelo can have decent week, is if he breaks one of 10-15 touches for a long TD. That isn't gonna happen every week, probably not even every other week. Seeing as it just happened last week, now would be great time to sell.

I dealt with the same thing with DeAngelo last year. It sucks. The reality is that Carolina sucks so bad, that there's not enough opportunity for 1 RB to put up numbers, let alone 2. With Steve Smith out a while, it'll only get worse.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

For who? For what?

 

[SproutDaddy]

The only way DeAngelo can have decent week, is if he breaks one of 10-15 touches for a long TD. That isn't gonna happen every week, probably not even every other week. Seeing as it just happened last week, now would be great time to sell.I dealt with the same thing with DeAngelo last year. It sucks. The reality is that Carolina sucks so bad, that there's not enough opportunity for 1 RB to put up numbers, let alone 2. With Steve Smith out a while, it'll only get worse.

Nonsense

 

[domvin]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

 

[kupcho1]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

 

[Clifford]

That's my question. I'd guess guys who have been productive are out of reach. So let's come up with who you can't get for him

Obvious

AP

CJ

MJD

Gore

Bradshaw

Foster

Mendenhall

Rice

maybe

SJax

Best

Turner

sure but do you want to?

McFadden (hammy)

McCoy (ribs)

Barber (sux)

Forsett (sux)

Brown (meh)

Hillis

Charles (maybe?)

Thomas Jones (at least he'll see more than 15 carries each game)

There is just not a whole lot to believe in at RB this year. Who am I missing? What would be a good trade? I think at this point you'd have to package him with the right player to get a good return.

 

[Pnishthm]

He finally got a TD and Claussen played a little better. Still, he's only getting around 10-12 touches per game and now Steve Smith goes down with the dreaded HAS eliminating just about any resemblence of a WR threat on the field.

Is it time to get while the gettin is good? Or is he just too good of a player being in a contract year to let walk?

Personally, I'm leaning towards holding him but I do think you could get some comparable value for him right now that is in a better situation offensively. (J.Charles?)

There is a guy in my league who has actually been starting J. Charles and T. Jones (no depth) and I heard him saying how he really doesn't like having to start two backs from the same team. I just offered him DeAngelo and L. Betts for J. Charles. I'll keep you posted if he accepts or not. Both players are sharing carries and although Williams is a "starter" and Charles is not, Charles seems to be doing more with his touches. I also feel he has better upside unless the Panthers were to fire J. Fox and bring in someone from the outside that will play DeAngelo like he should be played. I do not think that will happen. I like that Charles has already had his bye week as well.

 

[FavreCo]

In dynasty he is a hold for sure as he will be getting the hell out of Carolina in 2011.

 

[domvin]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

 

[CrossEyed]

I had loaded up a bit on RBs and was hoping to deal DWill for a good WR at the first signs of life. But now I'm looking at Best with a bum toe and McCoy with a broken rib. I think I might need that depth for a couple more weeks.

 

[cstu]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

I wouldn't call that depth, but the Panthers are going nowhere and DeW is a free agent. If they could pick up a 2nd for him I think they'd be stupid not to take it.

 

[FavreCo]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

I wouldn't call that depth, but the Panthers are going nowhere and DeW is a free agent. If they could pick up a 2nd for him I think they'd be stupid not to take it.

Unfortanetly for the Carolina faithful, they are in fact, stupid. he will walk and they will get next to nothing - A supplemental pick maybe?

 

[Clifford]

He finally got a TD and Claussen played a little better. Still, he's only getting around 10-12 touches per game and now Steve Smith goes down with the dreaded HAS eliminating just about any resemblence of a WR threat on the field.

Is it time to get while the gettin is good? Or is he just too good of a player being in a contract year to let walk?

Personally, I'm leaning towards holding him but I do think you could get some comparable value for him right now that is in a better situation offensively. (J.Charles?)

There is a guy in my league who has actually been starting J. Charles and T. Jones (no depth) and I heard him saying how he really doesn't like having to start two backs from the same team. I just offered him DeAngelo and L. Betts for J. Charles. I'll keep you posted if he accepts or not. Both players are sharing carries and although Williams is a "starter" and Charles is not, Charles seems to be doing more with his touches. I also feel he has better upside unless the Panthers were to fire J. Fox and bring in someone from the outside that will play DeAngelo like he should be played. I do not think that will happen. I like that Charles has already had his bye week as well.

Suppose you got Charles straight up: have you improved?Both have...

Crap at QB? Check

HC who won't feed them the ball? Check

Competition for carries? Check

No WR to speak of? Check

Amazing ability? Check

seems like the only guy you would want that you could get is basically a mirror image of the guy you are trading. I guess Charles has already had his bye week...

 

[SproutDaddy]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

The hoping by Stewart owners that Deangelo is leaving Carolina. I can't predict the future, but I'd say there's a 99% chance he doesn't leave. This based on his character. Plus, why would Carolina let him walk when the running game is the strength of their offense?

 

[FavreCo]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

They are so cheap that if it takes ink to write up the trade, they is too heavy a price. If the other team sent over the ink pen, they would say no because someone signing the deal might get a paper cut and make an insurance claim.Peppers laughs at this lameass franchise.

 

[FavreCo]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

The hoping by Stewart owners that Deangelo is leaving Carolina. I can't predict the future, but I'd say there's a 99% chance he doesn't leaves. This based on his character. Plus, why would Carolina let him walk when the running game is the strength of their offense?

Fixed. He's gone. They just won't pay him what his value is. loyalty only goes so far. When you have idiots running a franchise into the ground and greener pastures are elsewhere, $ and wins, even somone with DeAngelo's character hits the highway.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

For who? For what?

Settle down Ricky Watters

 

[SproutDaddy]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

The hoping by Stewart owners that Deangelo is leaving Carolina. I can't predict the future, but I'd say there's a 99% chance he doesn't leaves. This based on his character. Plus, why would Carolina let him walk when the running game is the strength of their offense?

Fixed. He's gone. They just won't pay him what his value is. loyalty only goes so far. When you have idiots running a franchise into the ground and greener pastures are elsewhere, $ and wins, even somone with DeAngelo's character hits the highway.

Excuse me, I didn't know I was in a thread with Carolina's GM. Carry on.

 

[Tau837]

If you have him, IMO you should hold. The value just won't be there in a trade right now.

If you don't have him, IMO you should buy, assuming the price is appropriately discounted from the start of the season. Especially in dynasty.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

For who? For what?

Settle down Ricky Watters

Didn't know I was getting that crazy.You were supposed to read between the lines. He's an obvious hold because no one will give you anything of value for him right now unless you're in a special ed league.ETA: As stated above, he's a buy right now, not a sell.

 

[Tau837]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

The hoping by Stewart owners that Deangelo is leaving Carolina. I can't predict the future, but I'd say there's a 99% chance he doesn't leave. This based on his character. Plus, why would Carolina let him walk when the running game is the strength of their offense?

Doesn't leave when? I agree that a midseason trade is doubtful, but it sounds like you are talking about after the season... if so, I disagree with you. I expect he will get more on the open market than Carolina will want to pay him, given they will still have Stewart and Goodson rostered and plenty of other problem areas on which to spend the money.

 

[VaCatFan]

If Carolina gets Ryan Kalil extended, I expect DeAngelo to be franchised.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Fixed. He's gone. They just won't pay him what his value is. loyalty only goes so far. When you have idiots running a franchise into the ground and greener pastures are elsewhere, $ and wins, even somone with DeAngelo's character hits the highway.

Excuse me, I didn't know I was in a thread with Carolina's GM. Carry on.

Didn't you check the Panthers' homepage? It's right there in black(or in this case blue) and white.



He may not be their GM, but he's almost assuredly correct: DeAngelo's a short-timer in Carolina. I can't see anyway he stays in that mess a minute longer than he has to, particularly when other teams are likely going to be willing to throw a large amount of cash his way.

Only way I can see it would be if he's tagged.

 

[FavreCo]

Excuse me, I didn't know I was in a thread with Carolina's GM. Carry on.

You aren't. If I was running that show, Fox and the OC would be long gone, Peppers would still be there and they would be winning games.

 

[SproutDaddy]

If Carolina gets Ryan Kalil extended, I expect DeAngelo to be franchised.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[gigantor]

dunno, i love his schedule after the bye

 

[scrumptrulescent]

If Carolina gets Ryan Kalil extended, I expect DeAngelo to be franchised.

Interesting. That would be pretty costly. Deangelo would probably make more money in that year than he's made total with Carolina up until now.

 

[kupcho1]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

I don't see a mid-season deal happening.

 

[domvin]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

:X

I wouldn't call that depth, but the Panthers are going nowhere and DeW is a free agent. If they could pick up a 2nd for him I think they'd be stupid not to take it.

Guess I should have stated the obvious, and listed Stewart, Goodson, then Sutton.

 

[domvin]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

:X

Wow-what did I miss here?

I don't see a mid-season deal happening.

And you could be right, but he's a definite hold in dynasty. No sense in selling low if you own him.

 

[nyy45]

he's never had a 100 yard game before week 5..

 

[thriftyrocker]

If you have him, IMO you should hold. The value just won't be there in a trade right now.

If you don't have him, IMO you should buy, assuming the price is appropriately discounted from the start of the season. Especially in dynasty.

Not sure about this. His value will go down again in 2011 even if he has a RB2-level 2nd half or better, just due to age. (A lockout hurts him even more.) Only way his value can go up if he starts producing at 2008 levels and it just seems that's not going to happen. His value could go way down if he gets hurt by the end of the year. If you're paying in draft picks or upside, you have to wait til offseason unless you really think he'll help you this year.

 

[two_dollars]

If Carolina gets Ryan Kalil extended, I expect DeAngelo to be franchised.

Interesting. That would be pretty costly. Deangelo would probably make more money in that year than he's made total with Carolina up until now.

I'm guessing if football is played in 2011, the franchise tag will not exist.

 

[5Rings]

I tried trading for him this weekend in a 12 team Zealot dynasty.

These offers shot down...guy with him is winless and rebuilding, but wants 2 firsts.

1st rd pick

Dwayne Bowe

or

1st rd pick

BJGE

McCluster

Tolber

3rd rd pick

Guy actually proposed the 2nd offer after lots of back and forth, but he got cold feet sunday AM.

 

[Pnishthm]

He finally got a TD and Claussen played a little better. Still, he's only getting around 10-12 touches per game and now Steve Smith goes down with the dreaded HAS eliminating just about any resemblence of a WR threat on the field.

Is it time to get while the gettin is good? Or is he just too good of a player being in a contract year to let walk?

Personally, I'm leaning towards holding him but I do think you could get some comparable value for him right now that is in a better situation offensively. (J.Charles?)

There is a guy in my league who has actually been starting J. Charles and T. Jones (no depth) and I heard him saying how he really doesn't like having to start two backs from the same team. I just offered him DeAngelo and L. Betts for J. Charles. I'll keep you posted if he accepts or not. Both players are sharing carries and although Williams is a "starter" and Charles is not, Charles seems to be doing more with his touches. I also feel he has better upside unless the Panthers were to fire J. Fox and bring in someone from the outside that will play DeAngelo like he should be played. I do not think that will happen. I like that Charles has already had his bye week as well.

Suppose you got Charles straight up: have you improved?Both have...

Crap at QB? Check

HC who won't feed them the ball? Check

Competition for carries? Check

No WR to speak of? Check

Amazing ability? Check

seems like the only guy you would want that you could get is basically a mirror image of the guy you are trading. I guess Charles has already had his bye week...

A few reasonons I like Charles over DeAngelo...Charles has already had his bye week, Charles will be used in the passing game a good bit more, the games when the Chiefs get behind I think Charles will see a good bit more touches than DeAngelo. I just got a message from the guy with Charles and he said he was gonna pass on my offer due to the fact that Charles already had his bye week. I am looking for a decent game from R. Williams tonight and try to send him Ricky and DeAngelo. I just can't bare to watch any more Carolina games...

 

[Clifford]

Right but D-Will is the starter and Charles isn't

 

[BigDave]

I took him in a trade for Vick before Vick was named starter.

After two weeks I was killing myself.

This week with DW's breakout and Vick's injury, I'm feeling lucky again.

I'm holding on to him for the season!

 

[Futz]

Right but D-Will is the starter and Charles isn't

Does being a "starter" even matter in RBBCs??? If you call 12 touches of the football being a starter then Charles is one as well. Point being is that you can call it what you want but it doesn't change the circumstances. I see a 3-0 KC team with an up and coming TE, a serviceable veteran starting QB, and a pretty decent flanker. The defense is playing well and Charles actually gets the ball coming out of the backfield which means the game circumstances never dictates his touches.Carolina is an absolute mess and if I can sell DeAngelo's name value to one of these "buy low" guys in my league, now is the time to do so IMO.In order for DeAngelo's value to get any higher, Carolina would have to improve a helluva lot. How is that going to happen?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

For who? For what?

Settle down Ricky Watters

Didn't know I was getting that crazy.You were supposed to read between the lines. He's an obvious hold because no one will give you anything of value for him right now unless you're in a special ed league.

ETA: As stated above, he's a buy right now, not a sell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJjTtpK8mYsWatch 2:50 mark on...

 

[Skyryder222]

For who? For what?

Settle down Ricky Watters

Didn't know I was getting that crazy.You were supposed to read between the lines. He's an obvious hold because no one will give you anything of value for him right now unless you're in a special ed league.

ETA: As stated above, he's a buy right now, not a sell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJjTtpK8mYsWatch 2:50 mark on...

I remember that, no guts, no glory.

 

[pats]

That's my question. I'd guess guys who have been productive are out of reach. So let's come up with who you can't get for himObviousAPCJMJDGoreBradshawFosterMendenhallRicemaybeSJaxBestTurnersure but do you want to?McFadden (hammy)McCoy (ribs)Barber (sux)Forsett (sux)Brown (meh)HillisCharles (maybe?)Thomas Jones (at least he'll see more than 15 carries each game)There is just not a whole lot to believe in at RB this year. Who am I missing? What would be a good trade? I think at this point you'd have to package him with the right player to get a good return.

Good Post... it would likely take DWill plus a decent WR to land Sjax, Best, Turner

 

[scott72]

For who? For what?

Exactly. His value is so low right now I'm going to keep him and hope like hell he gets traded.

 

[scott72]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

I don't know why he's laughing. I agree with you 100%.

 

[plastik]

It's worth noting that Otah is still out... Dwill's production should see a slight (but not insignificant) uptick once Otah comes back.

 

[The Dude]

He's a hold. Carolina has depth at TB with Goodson and Sutton. They will likely deal him before the deadline

Wow-what did I miss here?

I don't know why he's laughing. I agree with you 100%.

I think he's laughing cuz suddenly everybody thinks big trades will go down prior to the deadline. The NFL has a history of making very minor - if any - deals during the season. I wouldn't hold out waiting for a trade.

 

[cstu]

The NFL has a history of making very minor - if any - deals during the season.

Braylon Edwards, Roy Williams and Chris Chambers were all traded during the season the last few years. It's not common but it happens.

 

[The Dude]

The NFL has a history of making very minor - if any - deals during the season.

Braylon Edwards, Roy Williams and Chris Chambers were all traded during the season the last few years. It's not common but it happens.

Decent point - but that's like 3 in 10 years - and now Lynch, Williams, etc are all getting traded this year.

 

[The Big Donkey]

That's my question. I'd guess guys who have been productive are out of reach. So let's come up with who you can't get for himObviousAPCJMJDGoreBradshawFosterMendenhallRicemaybeSJaxBestTurnersure but do you want to?McFadden (hammy)McCoy (ribs)Barber (sux)Forsett (sux)Brown (meh)HillisCharles (maybe?)Thomas Jones (at least he'll see more than 15 carries each game)There is just not a whole lot to believe in at RB this year. Who am I missing? What would be a good trade? I think at this point you'd have to package him with the right player to get a good return.

I liked this post/do you have a view on this at the WR position?