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Ditka Butkus said:
timschochet said:
Fine. Don't worry, I'll make it short.

African-Americans suffered through centuries of slavery in this country followed by a century of Jim Crow discrimination. Though most of that has vanished since the civil rights movement, the legacy of it remains- in the utter poverty of so many black people, the disintegration of family life, poor education, crime, etc. If as a result of all this, a certain number of blacks see racism even when it doesn't exist, or when an even smaller number express racism themselves, it should come as no surprise to anyone. It's also of very little significance.

While certain white groups, mostly immigrants, have faced some discrimination in the past, it was never equal to the black experience, nor were they discriminated against for being white. Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.

Your turn.
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Try being white and walking in South Chicago
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timschochet said:
Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.
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Wow. As much as I liked your position on the gun debate, I have to say - you missed the boat bigtime on this one. My mother grew up in Hartford as a first generation Italian during the Great Depression. I can assure you she has vivid memories of horrible racism being directed at her and her family. Her father was denied employment for about a three year period, many many times due to nothing but his last name. The racism that she experienced on a regular basis was overt, hateful, and borderline deadly. I have pictures of my mom's family back then and they were literally starving.

It drives me fukcing crazy when people deny that this type of racism existed, just because the minorities in question were white and eventually overcame their situation. It doesn't take away from the reality of what happened, or the scars that it left. Oh, and I'm pretty sure Jews have also faced a little bit of racism over the years as well.

Sorry Tim, but I think you already lost this debate even after one round.

 
General Tso said:
timschochet said:
Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.
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Wow. As much as I liked your position on the gun debate, I have to say - you missed the boat bigtime on this one. My mother grew up in Hartford as a first generation Italian during the Great Depression. I can assure you she has vivid memories of horrible racism being directed at her and her family. Her father was denied employment for about a three year period, many many times due to nothing but his last name. The racism that she experienced on a regular basis was overt, hateful, and borderline deadly. I have pictures of my mom's family back then and they were literally starving.

It drives me fukcing crazy when people deny that this type of racism existed, just because the minorities in question were white and eventually overcame their situation. It doesn't take away from the reality of what happened, or the scars that it left. Oh, and I'm pretty sure Jews have also faced a little bit of racism over the years as well.

Sorry Tim, but I think you already lost this debate even after one round.
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Italians aren't a race, HTH.

 
General Tso said:
timschochet said:
Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.
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Wow. As much as I liked your position on the gun debate, I have to say - you missed the boat bigtime on this one. My mother grew up in Hartford as a first generation Italian during the Great Depression. I can assure you she has vivid memories of horrible racism being directed at her and her family. Her father was denied employment for about a three year period, many many times due to nothing but his last name. The racism that she experienced on a regular basis was overt, hateful, and borderline deadly. I have pictures of my mom's family back then and they were literally starving.

It drives me fukcing crazy when people deny that this type of racism existed, just because the minorities in question were white and eventually overcame their situation. It doesn't take away from the reality of what happened, or the scars that it left. Oh, and I'm pretty sure Jews have also faced a little bit of racism over the years as well.

Sorry Tim, but I think you already lost this debate even after one round.
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First off, appreciate your response, but please don't do johnjohn's work for him. I don't think he's capable of writing a cogent response like you just did, but I'm willing to give him the chance to prove me wrong.

I am very much aware of the sort of discrimination your family members faced, and Jews faced- my own grandfather was discriminated against as a Jew. The difference is, he was not discriminated against for being white, and I doubt your family members were either. The other difference is that as terrible as it was, these bigotries did not have the institutional nature of discrimination against blacks, and did not match the severity either. Finally, we're talking about today.

This will be my last response in this thread unless johnjohn comes in and really wants to debate. If he responds to my last post I'll engage him. But that's it.

 
PatsWillWin said:
General Tso said:
timschochet said:
Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.
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Wow. As much as I liked your position on the gun debate, I have to say - you missed the boat bigtime on this one. My mother grew up in Hartford as a first generation Italian during the Great Depression. I can assure you she has vivid memories of horrible racism being directed at her and her family. Her father was denied employment for about a three year period, many many times due to nothing but his last name. The racism that she experienced on a regular basis was overt, hateful, and borderline deadly. I have pictures of my mom's family back then and they were literally starving.It drives me fukcing crazy when people deny that this type of racism existed, just because the minorities in question were white and eventually overcame their situation. It doesn't take away from the reality of what happened, or the scars that it left. Oh, and I'm pretty sure Jews have also faced a little bit of racism over the years as well.

Sorry Tim, but I think you already lost this debate even after one round.
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Italians aren't a race, HTH.
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timschochet said:
General Tso said:
timschochet said:
Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.
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Wow. As much as I liked your position on the gun debate, I have to say - you missed the boat bigtime on this one. My mother grew up in Hartford as a first generation Italian during the Great Depression. I can assure you she has vivid memories of horrible racism being directed at her and her family. Her father was denied employment for about a three year period, many many times due to nothing but his last name. The racism that she experienced on a regular basis was overt, hateful, and borderline deadly. I have pictures of my mom's family back then and they were literally starving.It drives me fukcing crazy when people deny that this type of racism existed, just because the minorities in question were white and eventually overcame their situation. It doesn't take away from the reality of what happened, or the scars that it left. Oh, and I'm pretty sure Jews have also faced a little bit of racism over the years as well.

Sorry Tim, but I think you already lost this debate even after one round.
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First off, appreciate your response, but please don't do johnjohn's work for him. I don't think he's capable of writing a cogent response like you just did, but I'm willing to give him the chance to prove me wrong.I am very much aware of the sort of discrimination your family members faced, and Jews faced- my own grandfather was discriminated against as a Jew. The difference is, he was not discriminated against for being white, and I doubt your family members were either. The other difference is that as terrible as it was, these bigotries did not have the institutional nature of discrimination against blacks, and did not match the severity either. Finally, we're talking about today.

This will be my last response in this thread unless johnjohn comes in and really wants to debate. If he responds to my last post I'll engage him. But that's it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)
 
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timschochet said:
General Tso said:
timschochet said:
Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.
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Wow. As much as I liked your position on the gun debate, I have to say - you missed the boat bigtime on this one. My mother grew up in Hartford as a first generation Italian during the Great Depression. I can assure you she has vivid memories of horrible racism being directed at her and her family. Her father was denied employment for about a three year period, many many times due to nothing but his last name. The racism that she experienced on a regular basis was overt, hateful, and borderline deadly. I have pictures of my mom's family back then and they were literally starving.

It drives me fukcing crazy when people deny that this type of racism existed, just because the minorities in question were white and eventually overcame their situation. It doesn't take away from the reality of what happened, or the scars that it left. Oh, and I'm pretty sure Jews have also faced a little bit of racism over the years as well.

Sorry Tim, but I think you already lost this debate even after one round.
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First off, appreciate your response, but please don't do johnjohn's work for him. I don't think he's capable of writing a cogent response like you just did, but I'm willing to give him the chance to prove me wrong.

I am very much aware of the sort of discrimination your family members faced, and Jews faced- my own grandfather was discriminated against as a Jew. The difference is, he was not discriminated against for being white, and I doubt your family members were either. The other difference is that as terrible as it was, these bigotries did not have the institutional nature of discrimination against blacks, and did not match the severity either. Finally, we're talking about today.

This will be my last response in this thread unless johnjohn comes in and really wants to debate. If he responds to my last post I'll engage him. But that's it.
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Yea, you've already exhausted your 3-post limit. Not that anything like that has ever stopped you before.

 
So far, the chicken sound discussion is much more interesting.

Ba Gock!

 
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Great idea johnjohn. You both post your opinions in here, stay out of other threads and everyone is happy.

My money is on johnjohn. He's definitely the more intelligent of the two.

 
Tim gets a bad rap around here.

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

JJ pretends to be calm and rational but refuses to acknowledge alternative viewpoints with anything more than a dismissive nod. It is difficult to believe that he is ever doing anything more than trolling.

I don't think it is fair to compare the two on any level except for the vitriol they seem to inspire around here.

 
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