timschochet lost the debate, who is next? (1 Viewer)

[3C's]

Tim gets a bad rap around here.

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

JJ pretends to be calm and rational but refuses to acknowledge alternative viewpoints with anything more than a dismissive nod. It is difficult to believe that he is ever doing anything more than trolling.

I don't think it is fair to compare the two on any level except for the vitriol they seem to inspire around here.

 

[DocHolliday]

LETS TALK CHEMICAL ENGINEERING

I'm your huckleberry.

That's my line.

 

[DocHolliday]

I think there is a real possibility that they both lose.

We all lose listening to those two.

 

[Chaka]

Tim also doesn't play the "Woe is me, I'm such a victim" card like JJ does. Then again, in 11 years here, I honestly can't recall anyone playing that card like JJ does.

 

[top dog]

Not even sure what we're supposed to be debating. I already explained myself in some detail with regard to the issue you raised. If you have a point to make, make it. I'll respond to you.

:chicken:

buck buck buck buck

is that a small herd of deer ?

I guess I should have said buc...

Orrrr...Cluck?

Bok Bok Bok is the approved chicken sound IMO.

a calm chicken i suppose...but a chicken in distress makes a BA-GOCK noise

So far, the chicken sound discussion is much more interesting.

Ba Gock!

I think it would be more of a bauck bauck bauck bauck ba gauck

I question whether chicken's beaks can properly form the G sound.

Maybe it's just because today has been a rough morning here at work, but the chicken sound debate is killing me right now.

 

[jon_mx]

Tim also doesn't play the "Woe is me, I'm such a victim" card like JJ does. Then again, in 11 years here, I honestly can't recall anyone playing that card like JJ does.

I am just sick of Tim throwing out the phrase Institutionalized racism without seeming to even know what it even means.

 

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I for one am surprised that Tim only has 4% of the posts in here so far

Significantly below his 21.5% contribution average

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I, for one, welcome our debate overlords.

 

[jon_mx]

I for one am surprised that Tim only has 4% of the posts in here so far

Significantly below his 21.5% contribution average

It is only 7am on the west coast. Let him get his coffee first.

 

[Short Corner]

Good idea...how about a loser leaves town death match.

I feel like Curly on this one. No matter what happens, the FFA wins and loses. Can't they both leave?

 

[butcher boy]

It's page 3. When are these 2 master debaters going to get to master debating?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's page 3. When are these 2 master debaters going to get to master debating?

Pretty sure it's a 10 count in favor of Tim.

JJ threw down the gauntlet then went home.

 

[Chaka]

Tim also doesn't play the "Woe is me, I'm such a victim" card like JJ does. Then again, in 11 years here, I honestly can't recall anyone playing that card like JJ does.

I am just sick of Tim throwing out the phrase Institutionalized racism without seeming to even know what it even means.

Does it have an accepted definition? I know for a fact that the whole "Racism is over" thing is simply not true, despite the Supreme Courts rulings lately but to define Institutionalized racism seems like a daunting task.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

This is because he takes an initial position without any actual knowledge. He forms an opinion out of thin air, states it, then others explain why he's wrong and then he adjusts as needed.

It's like he just wants to ring in first on Family Feud and then yells out "NAKED GRANDMA!"

 

[McGarnicle]

It's page 3. When are these 2 master debaters going to get to master debating?

Pretty sure it's a 10 count in favor of Tim.

JJ threw down the gauntlet then went home.

Limbaugh is on from Noon - 3PM EDT.

 

[Jayrod]

Best thread of the year? Best thread ever?

I think so.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

This is because he takes an initial position without any actual knowledge. He forms an opinion out of thin air, states it, then others explain why he's wrong and then he adjusts as needed.

It's like he just wants to ring in first on Family Feud and then yells out "NAKED GRANDMA!"

Pork - Qpine!

 

[Tackling Dummies]

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

This is because he takes an initial position without any actual knowledge. He forms an opinion out of thin air, states it, then others explain why he's wrong and then he adjusts as needed.

It's like he just wants to ring in first on Family Feud and then yells out "NAKED GRANDMA!"

Pork - Qpine!

GOOD ANSWER!!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This is like Rabbit versus Poppa Doc!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's page 3. When are these 2 master debaters going to get to master debating?

Pretty sure it's a 10 count in favor of Tim.

JJ threw down the gauntlet then went home.

Limbaugh is on from Noon - 3PM EDT.

Damnit I hit my Like quota again but you get one.

 

[urbanhack]

Fine. Don't worry, I'll make it short.

African-Americans suffered through centuries of slavery in this country followed by a century of Jim Crow discrimination. Though most of that has vanished since the civil rights movement, the legacy of it remains- in the utter poverty of so many black people, the disintegration of family life, poor education, crime, etc. If as a result of all this, a certain number of blacks see racism even when it doesn't exist, or when an even smaller number express racism themselves, it should come as no surprise to anyone. It's also of very little significance.

While certain white groups, mostly immigrants, have faced some discrimination in the past, it was never equal to the black experience, nor were they discriminated against for being white. Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.

Your turn.

Try being white and walking in South Chicago

I've done it plenty of times.

 

[Jayrod]

It's page 3. When are these 2 master debaters going to get to master debating?

Pretty sure it's a 10 count in favor of Tim.

JJ threw down the gauntlet then went home.

Limbaugh is on from Noon - 3PM EDT.

Damnit I hit my Like quota again but you get one.

Took care of it for you.

 

[rct]

Is johnjohn real? Is he a known alias of someone?

Hello, exactly. That's what's so funny about the chumps who engage him.

And the known alias is?

White Power Bill

Maybe, but I would have guessed Ku Klux Kenny.

 

[McGarnicle]

Best thread of the year? Best thread ever?

I think so.

Still the best

 

[jon_mx]

Tim also doesn't play the "Woe is me, I'm such a victim" card like JJ does. Then again, in 11 years here, I honestly can't recall anyone playing that card like JJ does.

I am just sick of Tim throwing out the phrase Institutionalized racism without seeming to even know what it even means.

Does it have an accepted definition? I know for a fact that the whole "Racism is over" thing is simply not true, despite the Supreme Courts rulings lately but to define Institutionalized racism seems like a daunting task.

I think it means whatever one wants it means. For instance, just because more Asians are admitted to colleges than others, does not mean the institutions have policies which somehow inherently favor Asians, it could mean Asians perform better in schools. In fact, the policies in place discriminate against Asians because they require higher scores than other races. To look at results and cry "Institutionalized Racism" while ignoring the actual causes of the results is a bit mind-numbing.

 

[jon_mx]

Fine. Don't worry, I'll make it short.

African-Americans suffered through centuries of slavery in this country followed by a century of Jim Crow discrimination. Though most of that has vanished since the civil rights movement, the legacy of it remains- in the utter poverty of so many black people, the disintegration of family life, poor education, crime, etc. If as a result of all this, a certain number of blacks see racism even when it doesn't exist, or when an even smaller number express racism themselves, it should come as no surprise to anyone. It's also of very little significance.

While certain white groups, mostly immigrants, have faced some discrimination in the past, it was never equal to the black experience, nor were they discriminated against for being white. Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.

Your turn.

Try being white and walking in South Chicago

I've done it plenty of times.

at night....

 

[Chaka]

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

This is because he takes an initial position without any actual knowledge. He forms an opinion out of thin air, states it, then others explain why he's wrong and then he adjusts as needed.

It's like he just wants to ring in first on Family Feud and then yells out "NAKED GRANDMA!"

I don't think that is entirely true and even if it were I don't see why people get so mad about it. Would it be better if he had an unrefined position and completely dismissed any counter arguments (like JJ)? I like that Tim will change his mind on issues; that's growth. And I think he uses the FFA as a source of knowledge to help refine his beliefs. I think that we all know that posting on any topic in here is bound to find you an expert on that topic who can help you understand the issue better. You need look no further than johnjohn and his physics lesson. However JJ refused to learn from that lesson and held fast to his stance (hence my belief that he is nothing more than a troll), Timmy would have actually learned from that experience and given thanks for the lesson.

 

[3C's]

Fine. Don't worry, I'll make it short.

African-Americans suffered through centuries of slavery in this country followed by a century of Jim Crow discrimination. Though most of that has vanished since the civil rights movement, the legacy of it remains- in the utter poverty of so many black people, the disintegration of family life, poor education, crime, etc. If as a result of all this, a certain number of blacks see racism even when it doesn't exist, or when an even smaller number express racism themselves, it should come as no surprise to anyone. It's also of very little significance.

While certain white groups, mostly immigrants, have faced some discrimination in the past, it was never equal to the black experience, nor were they discriminated against for being white. Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.

Your turn.

Try being white and walking in South Chicago

I've done it plenty of times.

Yeah but you're like hip cool white, not nerdy uppity white.

 

[B-Deep]

this place would not be the same without Tim

 

[McGarnicle]

Tim gets a bad rap around here.

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

JJ pretends to be calm and rational but refuses to acknowledge alternative viewpoints with anything more than a dismissive nod. It is difficult to believe that he is ever doing anything more than trolling.

I don't think it is fair to compare the two on any level except for the vitriol they seem to inspire around here.

It takes a truly special brand of troll to make us appreciate what we have in Tim.

Anyone know how to get vomit out of a keyboard?

 

[glock]

This should be moved to the formal debate forum.

:faceoffs:

 

[fred_1_15301]

Can we get this started already? At this rate, the start of the debate may turn into a Friday thread

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

someone thinks there's no white people in the South Side of Chicago? Don't you watch Shameless?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

He may be a blowhard at times but at least he tries to discuss things in a calm, rational manner and seems to truly listen to alternative views.

This is because he takes an initial position without any actual knowledge. He forms an opinion out of thin air, states it, then others explain why he's wrong and then he adjusts as needed.

It's like he just wants to ring in first on Family Feud and then yells out "NAKED GRANDMA!"

I don't think that is entirely true and even if it were I don't see why people get so mad about it. Would it be better if he had an unrefined position and completely dismissed any counter arguments (like JJ)? I like that Tim will change his mind on issues; that's growth. And I think he uses the FFA as a source of knowledge to help refine his beliefs. I think that we all know that posting on any topic in here is bound to find you an expert on that topic who can help you understand the issue better. You need look no further than johnjohn and his physics lesson. However JJ refused to learn from that lesson and held fast to his stance (hence my belief that he is nothing more than a troll), Timmy would have actually learned from that experience and given thanks for the lesson.

It would be totally fine if it happened about 1/10th as much as it does now, imo.

 

[Joe T]

Since this thread is going nowhere, I propose a fake debate.

I will play the roll of Timmy and someone else can play johnjon. Someone else can pick the topic.

 

[SeaDogStat]

Damn that 24 hr time limit... gotta wait another 10 hrs for johnjohn to slip in a response under the wire....

 

[timschochet]

Thanks for the kind words, Chaka. And Notorious TRE, your criticism is not unwarranted. I DO make opinions too often without being aware of the facts beforehand. It's a fault of mine and I'm trying to change it. Thanks for pointing it out.

johnjohn challenged me to a debate in this thread. I figured that it was more of his dumb shtick and that he'd be unable to respond to a real discussion or debate- but I went ahead against my better judgment and posted my opinion on the subject matter he wanted to discuss. That was over 12 hours ago. As I anticipated, there was no response. I doubt there will be. If there is, I'll reply to it, I guess.

 

[lakerstan]

Thanks for the kind words, Chaka. And Notorious TRE, your criticism is not unwarranted. I DO make opinions too often without being aware of the facts beforehand. It's a fault of mine and I'm trying to change it. Thanks for pointing it out.

johnjohn challenged me to a debate in this thread. I figured that it was more of his dumb shtick and that he'd be unable to respond to a real discussion or debate- but I went ahead against my better judgment and posted my opinion on the subject matter he wanted to discuss. That was over 12 hours ago. As I anticipated, there was no response. I doubt there will be. If there is, I'll reply to it, I guess.

Mad Libs can be difficult to fill out. Give him time....

 

[tommy300]

I wish the people in here would just relax, from the initial post he laid out a little groundwork for this thing, post, respond in 24hours, respond, etc. With everyone else's opinions and extras being thrown in this is getting ruined. Should have known it would never be a few posts then we could all say what we wanted too...until it hits the 24 hours mark, he is fine to post, don't give either side any extra information, facts, etc and let them hammer it out.

 

[Fennis]

So far, I have it scored with johnjohn in the lead

 

[sublimeone]

Thanks for the kind words, Chaka. And Notorious TRE, your criticism is not unwarranted. I DO make opinions too often without being aware of the facts beforehand. It's a fault of mine and I'm trying to change it. Thanks for pointing it out.

johnjohn challenged me to a debate in this thread. I figured that it was more of his dumb shtick and that he'd be unable to respond to a real discussion or debate- but I went ahead against my better judgment and posted my opinion on the subject matter he wanted to discuss. That was over 12 hours ago. As I anticipated, there was no response. I doubt there will be. If there is, I'll reply to it, I guess.

The topic will be White discrimination. You seem to think white people NEVER face discrimination but you only use emotion , not logic to explain why. This thread is your chance to use logic to explain your point.

After you do that I will have up to 24 hours to respond to your point and when I do you'll have up to 24 hours to respond to mine. (if either of us fail to respond within 24 hours that's a forfeit)

The true skill of the master troll is patience...

 

[Clifford]

He does practice it like an art form.

 

[jon_mx]

It is a debate, not a contest of speed fellas! Chill out.

 

[jon_mx]

So far, I have it scored with johnjohn in the lead

In this contest the fewest posts wins. I think we should run this all year!

 

[urbanhack]

Fine. Don't worry, I'll make it short.

African-Americans suffered through centuries of slavery in this country followed by a century of Jim Crow discrimination. Though most of that has vanished since the civil rights movement, the legacy of it remains- in the utter poverty of so many black people, the disintegration of family life, poor education, crime, etc. If as a result of all this, a certain number of blacks see racism even when it doesn't exist, or when an even smaller number express racism themselves, it should come as no surprise to anyone. It's also of very little significance.

While certain white groups, mostly immigrants, have faced some discrimination in the past, it was never equal to the black experience, nor were they discriminated against for being white. Certainly anyone growing up white in this country has no institutionalized memory of racism, no fear of being stopped by police because of their skin color, and, statistically, face much better odds of a good education, a better standard of living, and economic success. So when I hear white conservatives complain about discrimination and a "double standard", I think it's pathetic.

Your turn.

Try being white and walking in South Chicago

I've done it plenty of times.

at night....

Yes. My ex wife had family across the south side.

 

[dozer]

I get the feeling that many of those who say they don't like Tim only say that because he has proven them wrong, or forced them to re-think positions. When you post as often as Tim your bound to rub some folks the wrong way. He hasn't done anything to be hated in my opinion, and I say more power to you Tim!

JJ on the other hand.... Terrible alias and schtick.

 

[Ilov80s]

So far, I have it scored with johnjohn in the lead

Which is why I see Tim with checkmate here. If johnjohn does not reply within 24 hours, he is disqualified per his own rules. If he does respond, it will certainly subtract from his position and cost him points.

 

[urbanhack]

someone thinks there's no white people in the South Side of Chicago? Don't you watch Shameless?

duh...everyone is poor and black. just watch the news!!

 

[Clifford]

I get the feeling that many of those who say they don't like Tim only say that because he has proven them wrong, or forced them to re-think positions. When you post as often as Tim your bound to rub some folks the wrong way. He hasn't done anything to be hated in my opinion, and I say more power to you Tim!

JJ on the other hand.... Terrible alias and schtick.

Tim's waffling drives me nuts occasionally but is generally a solid poster and nowhere near in the same league and johnjohn, who does nothing but troll and provides absolutely nothing interesting to this forum ever. Tim's contributions are in the net positive, whereas johnjohn in a short time has to be triple-digit negative.

 

[NREC34]

Tim already lost. He broke the 3 post rule.