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Britney Spears said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
SoBeDad said:
5Rings said:
8ebok24 said:
50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?
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Great job on the list.Nitpicking: I would put Bernard King back in over Dennis Johnson, Ray Allen, and Chris Paul. The homer in me wants to add Chris Mullin too.
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Cowens doesn't seem like a top 50 player. Elvin Hayes and perhaps McAdoo were better. Or pick a player at another position.
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His source material is the Pyramid section of The Book Of Basketball by Bill Simmons. He gave a few powerups to his favorite Lakers and adjusted for events that took place after the book was published, but Cowens is so high because he was the Celtics' franchise player when Simmons first started following the Celtics closely.
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Question for the more historically knowledgable (older) than me: Why does a guy like James Worthy get so much love on these lists compared to someone like Paul Pierce - who always seems to be on the fringe?

Was Worthy ever even a lead player? Pierce unquestionably was. I mean, he was alongside Kareem AND Magic for most of his run, right? Along with a generally loaded roster in an era where you could just load up and keep the team in place.

Not trying to pick on a guy with a beard and glasses, just curious. I was too young to really remember the first half of his career at all and I didn't really think about this kind of stuff when I was a kid watching.

Other thought: Where would a guy like Joe Johnson fit in a list like this? Great numbers over a long stretch, but really limited team success in the playoffs.
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Worthy was a stud...as a Celts fan who was around for the Magic-Bird years I can say without a doubt that Worthy was an all-time great player...he was deadly on the fast-break and could finish with the best of them...he was a clutch player with great athleticism who could also play in the half-court game... it is easy to try and knock him by who he played with but he was the leading scorer on an NCAA championship team, a college player of the year and the #1 pick in the draft...he was not just a decent player put in a great situation...

 
Britney Spears said:
Ok let's do this - Sonics:

G Gary Payton

G Ray Allen

F Kevin Durant

F Shawn Kemp

C Jack Skima

Pretty sure most of these guys are no brainers. Lot of interesting options for second team:

G Dale Ellis

G Fred Brown

F Detlef Schrempf

F Rashard Lewis

C Not a lot - Derrick McKey?

PS, as a side note, it seems like a ton of players played for both the Bucks and Sonics.
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Paul Silas?

 
Sell. Sell. Sell

Glad there's more chatter he should be coming off the bench if he remains a Bull. He was atrocious on offensive end and no better defensively than all of their other bigs last year.

Perhaps his energy would be better off in shorter bursts off the bench. How Noah was used within the offense is why I'll never argue with firing of Thibodeau & unquestionably believe this team will be much better off offensively with Hoiberg.

Noah's a goner after the season unless he's taking a basement bargain deal. (If they don't deal him first -- which I'd do in heartbeat as he'll probably retrieve something of value in return based on his name value)

Joakim Noah said that last season was "humbling" for him.
"Last year was very humbling," Noah said in regards to his health. "I feel hungrier than ever and ready to prove I can help this team win big." Noah appeared in 67 games last season and managed to stay active for the most part, but that's because the Bulls kept his minutes to around 30 per game. That trend could continue, and there has even been a report from Bulls writer Sam Smith that he could come off the bench next season. Noah's value would obviously take a hit with a move to the bench, but that is just speculation for now and head coach Fred Hoiberg hasn't indicated what his lineup or rotations will look like yet.


Source: K.C. Johnson on Twitter

 
Britney Spears said:
Ok let's do this - Sonics:

G Gary Payton

G Ray Allen

F Kevin Durant

F Shawn Kemp

C Jack Skima

Pretty sure most of these guys are no brainers. Lot of interesting options for second team:

G Dale Ellis

G Fred Brown

F Detlef Schrempf

F Rashard Lewis

C Not a lot - Derrick McKey?

PS, as a side note, it seems like a ton of players played for both the Bucks and Sonics.
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Michael Cage might be an option for the second-team C. He is thought of as a PF, but he was a C in Seattle.

Worth considering at forward:

Spencer Haywood

Xavier McDaniel

Tom Chambers

And yes, there are a lot of guys who played for the Sonics and Bucks, lot of high-profile guys, too. Payton and Allen were traded for each other. So were Dale Ellis and Ricky Pierce. SEA got Alton Lister for Jack Skima.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
matuski said:
Anthony Davis

Jamal Mashburn

Tony Delk

Kenny Walker

John Wall
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Delk and Walker over Rex Chapman?
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I like both of those guys over Chapman. Kenny Walker was a consensus AA. Chapman was largely white hype.If there are nits to pick, it's about Anthony Davis over Dan Issel.

Doubt John Wall's career accomplishments have exceeded Louie Dampier's yet, either.

ETA: but I might be answering a different question. Assuming players improve over time and eras, there's almost always an argument for the modern player over one from an older era.

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
rodg12 said:
Encyclopedia Brown said:
rodg12 said:
Ronnie Lester

Fred Brown

Roy Marble

Greg Stokes

Acie Earl
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BJ Armstrong should be on that list.
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I stuck to PG and SG. Ronnie Lester was better.
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Downtown Freddie Brown is a worthy add, too.Thought about suggesting Don Nelson, but no way was he better, even R2E, than Stokes or Marble.
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I kicked around putting Reggie Evans on there at PF, but his short stint just can't overcome 4 years of Stokes.

 
matuski said:
Abraham said:
Encyclopedia Brown said:
matuski said:
Anthony Davis

Jamal Mashburn

Tony Delk

Kenny Walker

John Wall
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Delk and Walker over Rex Chapman?
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This. And you have the wrong Walker.
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Delk was the most underrated player I've seen in NCAA basketball. Flat out stud.

I tend to favor the more recent athletes.
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All the great horses on that 1996 UK team. Delk was the guy who made it all work. I still remember the first time I saw him play, and take a defensive stance. This was not a man to trifling with.

Sometimes I get so wrapped up in trying to tell my history of the game I forget to listen to others tell their versions. Dan Issel would be my pick for the all-time UK center, but that doesn't mean I think he would beat Anthony Davis in a game of one-on-one. If we accept these are subjective exercises, we need to allow for some subjectivity.

 
BDL's Lakers are up:

C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

F Elgin Baylor

F James Worthy

G Magic Johnson

G Kobe Bryant

Said Kobe v West was a toss-up, and they broke the tie via Kobe's longevity.

Cited shocking depth at C, with Mikan, Wilt, and Shaq all as possibilities.

Gave lip service to Minneapolis Lakers Clyde Lovellette and Jim Pollard.

Also have shout-outs to Jamaal Wilkes, Gail Goodrich, and Pau Gasol.

I would have gone with West over Kobe at the second guard spot behind Magic, and Vern Mikkelsen or Silk over Worthy, but this franchise is so deep it's hard to make a wrong call.

 
If youre shocked that Jerry West failed to make the team, thats just fine. Wests ungodly mix of scoring and dishing led the Lakers to nine different NBA Finals (winning but one), but at this point Bryants longevity (despite his dodgy last few seasons) and Magics brilliance out-rank him. However, if your flipped coin landed on The Logos side instead of Kobes, youd have a borderline inarguable case for Mr. West
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I thought I read that right. It's true, you read what you want to believe.

 
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8ebok24 said:
If youre shocked that Jerry West failed to make the team, thats just fine. Wests ungodly mix of scoring and dishing led the Lakers to nine different NBA Finals (winning but one), but at this point Bryants longevity (despite his dodgy last few seasons) and Magics brilliance out-rank him. However, if your flipped coin landed on The Logos side instead of Kobes, youd have a borderline inarguable case for Mr. West
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I thought I read that right. It's true, you read what you want to believe.
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"Inarguable" doesn't mean what you think it means. It's a synonym for "indisputable". He's saying if the coin came up "Logo", you would have a borderline unbeatable argument for West over Kobe.

 
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Anyone do a Cavs squad yet? You guys are killing it in the offseason.

How about this one:

C - Lucas

F - Havlichek

F - Jackson

G - Redd

G - Craft

Seems flawed without Hopson/Turner/Kellogg... Even Conley Oden and Russell... But I'm going to penalize 1 and dones.

If I go by what I have witnessed in my lifetime, I'm going small with Oden Jackson Hopson Redd and Craft. I'd have Dials as first big off the bench. Turner would play a ton. Backup PG is insane between Penn Conley Burson Russell. Conley and Russell play more years they probably infiltrate this team/starting lineup.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Cavaliers

C Brad Daugherty

F Larry Nance

F LeBron James

G World B Free

G Mark Price
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This was what I posted for a Cavs Starting Five. I mulled over World B Free v Bingo Smith, but liked World B Free's peak value more.

Probably didn't consider Anderson Varejao strongly enough for Nance's spot. I slotted Varejao at C in my head, but he's played a lot of PF for CLE, too.

 
BDL's Sixers are up:

C Moses Malone

F Julius Erving

F Charles Barkley

G Hal Greer

G Allen Iverson

Article basically conceded that Wilt was the greater Sixer than Moses, but they wanted to acknowledge Moses and what he did for the franchise.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
BDL's Sixers are up:

C Moses Malone

F Julius Erving

F Charles Barkley

G Hal Greer

G Allen Iverson

Article basically conceded that Wilt was the greater Sixer than Moses, but they wanted to acknowledge Moses and what he did for the franchise.
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Moses was a stud. Least talked about three time MVP in any sport....but wilt is in the conversation as greatest player all time.
 
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BDL's Sixers are up:

C Moses Malone

F Julius Erving

F Charles Barkley

G Hal Greer

G Allen Iverson

Article basically conceded that Wilt was the greater Sixer than Moses, but they wanted to acknowledge Moses and what he did for the franchise.
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I'm biased because I was infatuated with the Sixers back in the early 80s but I take Cheeks all day over Iverson.

And we all know who would be the Sixers 6th man.

 
Too lazy to browse, but did anybody do St Johns yet? All I can think of is Walter Berry and Chris Mullin? Who am I forgetting?

Georgia Tech too, por favor.

 
Charlie Ward

Sam Cassell

Dave Cowens

George McCloud

Bob Sura

FSU basketball would be a great 5 seed in the 1994 NBA playoffs.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
The 76ers had some great players when you think about it. Shame they've become an afterthought.
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They had three players from the 1996 Top 50 list left off the BDL Starting Five: Wilt Chamberlain, Billy Cunningham, and Dolph Schayes. Those three, plus Bobby Jones and Mo Cheeks, are a playoff team in this league.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
BDL's Lakers are up:

C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

F Elgin Baylor

F James Worthy

G Magic Johnson

G Kobe Bryant

Said Kobe v West was a toss-up, and they broke the tie via Kobe's longevity.

Cited shocking depth at C, with Mikan, Wilt, and Shaq all as possibilities.

Gave lip service to Minneapolis Lakers Clyde Lovellette and Jim Pollard.

Also have shout-outs to Jamaal Wilkes, Gail Goodrich, and Pau Gasol.

I would have gone with West over Kobe at the second guard spot behind Magic, and Vern Mikkelsen or Silk over Worthy, but this franchise is so deep it's hard to make a wrong call.
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Not Happy with these shout outs.

 
Jayrod said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
BDL's Sixers are up:

C Moses Malone

F Julius Erving

F Charles Barkley

G Hal Greer

G Allen Iverson

Article basically conceded that Wilt was the greater Sixer than Moses, but they wanted to acknowledge Moses and what he did for the franchise.
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Moses was a stud. Least talked about three time MVP in any sport....but wilt is in the conversation as greatest player all time.
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I get what they said about Moses, too. He was the league MVP in his first season with Philly, that 1983 team was one of the best of the era, and they just ripped through the playoffs.
 
Wizards are up:

C Wes Unseld

F Elvin Hayes

F Gus Johnson

G Earl Monroe

G Gilbert Arenas

Special commendation given for all the past-prime stars employed: Moses Malone, Bernard King, Paul Pierce, Michael Jordan, Dave Bing, Bobby Dandridge, Mitch Richmond.

 
Gr00vus said:
Britney Spears said:
Ok let's do this - Sonics:

G Gary Payton

G Ray Allen

F Kevin Durant

F Shawn Kemp

C Jack Skima

Pretty sure most of these guys are no brainers. Lot of interesting options for second team:

G Dale Ellis

G Fred Brown

F Detlef Schrempf

F Rashard Lewis

C Not a lot - Derrick McKey?

PS, as a side note, it seems like a ton of players played for both the Bucks and Sonics.
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Paul Silas?
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Do people think of him as a Sonic? Only 3 years.

Spencer Haywood is maybe an old school guy that should be included. I definitely never saw him of Fred Brown play.

X-Man? Gus Williams?

Not sure any of these knock off the top 5...

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Britney Spears said:
Ok let's do this - Sonics:

G Gary Payton

G Ray Allen

F Kevin Durant

F Shawn Kemp

C Jack Skima

Pretty sure most of these guys are no brainers. Lot of interesting options for second team:

G Dale Ellis

G Fred Brown

F Detlef Schrempf

F Rashard Lewis

C Not a lot - Derrick McKey?

PS, as a side note, it seems like a ton of players played for both the Bucks and Sonics.
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Michael Cage might be an option for the second-team C. He is thought of as a PF, but he was a C in Seattle.

Worth considering at forward:

Spencer Haywood

Xavier McDaniel

Tom Chambers

And yes, there are a lot of guys who played for the Sonics and Bucks, lot of high-profile guys, too. Payton and Allen were traded for each other. So were Dale Ellis and Ricky Pierce. SEA got Alton Lister for Jack Skima.
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Loved Cage. Jerry Curl, plus the tip to himself rebound move he always did was sweet. Would out hustle bigger guys constantly. Can't believe I forgot Chambers.

 
Red Kerr

Ken Norman

Eddie Johnson

Nick Anderson

Deron Williams

Kendall Gill

Derek Harper

Donnie Freeman

Dave Ohl

Almost entirely guards.

 
Britney Spears said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Britney Spears said:
Ok let's do this - Sonics:

G Gary Payton

G Ray Allen

F Kevin Durant

F Shawn Kemp

C Jack Skima

Pretty sure most of these guys are no brainers. Lot of interesting options for second team:

G Dale Ellis

G Fred Brown

F Detlef Schrempf

F Rashard Lewis

C Not a lot - Derrick McKey?

PS, as a side note, it seems like a ton of players played for both the Bucks and Sonics.
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Michael Cage might be an option for the second-team C. He is thought of as a PF, but he was a C in Seattle.

Worth considering at forward:

Spencer Haywood

Xavier McDaniel

Tom Chambers

And yes, there are a lot of guys who played for the Sonics and Bucks, lot of high-profile guys, too. Payton and Allen were traded for each other. So were Dale Ellis and Ricky Pierce. SEA got Alton Lister for Jack Skima.
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Loved Cage. Jerry Curl, plus the tip to himself rebound move he always did was sweet. Would out hustle bigger guys constantly. Can't believe I forgot Chambers.
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:unsure:

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Wizards are up:

C Wes Unseld

F Elvin Hayes

F Gus Johnson

G Earl Monroe

G Gilbert Arenas

Special commendation given for all the past-prime stars employed: Moses Malone, Bernard King, Paul Pierce, Michael Jordan, Dave Bing, Bobby Dandridge, Mitch Richmond.
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That's a pretty good team. Seems like it would be in the top half of the league.

 
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