timschochet's thread - Ranking hemorrhoids (2 Viewers)

[No. 16]

Dubs comeback from 26 on the road.

Celtics play tough. I hope they sneak into the playoffs.

 

[trader jake]

Decent February for Westbrook: https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/571553357703200768

Wow. Too bad he missed as many games as he did, or he'd be receiving a lot more MVP consideration (and the Thunder wouldn't be the 8 seed).When is the last time teammates won the MVP in back-to-back seasons?

The Cavs entire offense is a series of isolations. Yuck. All that talent.

The Rockets ran the iso for Harden non-stop down the stretch as well. Both teams didn't light the world on fire with their offensive creativity in the 2nd half and overtime today. Hell of a game though, real playoff intensity.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Cousy and Russell are the only pair to win back-to-back MVPs as teammates.

Julius Erving and Moses Malone won back-to-back MVPs, then became teammates, then Moses won MVP again.

 

[msudaisy26]

Right now the MVP race has to be

Harden

Curry

Westbrook

LeBron

Right?

 

[((Morpheus))]

Right now the MVP race has to be

Harden

Curry

Westbrook

LeBron

Right?

I'd put Curry 1st - defense is half of the game. In recent years the award seems to be more about media narrative however (see Rose, Derrick), and Harden seems to be winning that battle lately.

 

[Kev4029]

Right now the MVP race has to be

Harden

Curry

Westbrook

LeBron

Right?

I'd put Curry 1st - defense is half of the game. In recent years the award seems to be more about media narrative however (see Rose, Derrick), and Harden seems to be winning that battle lately.

Its been that way forever in all the sports.

 

[((Morpheus))]

Right now the MVP race has to be

Harden

Curry

Westbrook

LeBron

Right?

I'd put Curry 1st - defense is half of the game. In recent years the award seems to be more about media narrative however (see Rose, Derrick), and Harden seems to be winning that battle lately.

Its been that way forever in all the sports.

True, but Twitter has really transformed sports media into an echo chamber

 

[Jack White]

Thrilling Knicks-Pistons game heading to 2nd OT.

Is Amundsen the first player since Scott Pollard to have a ponytail?

Noah has to be the best ponytail player of all time.

That's not a ponytail; it's a Lilith Sternin Crane bun.

 

[Jack White]

Rockets-Cavs had a bit of playoff-level intensity.

I love Harden (whom I call "Lefty Lincoln"), but man he gets away with some ####.

Kicks LeBron in the ballz. Pushes off with his right arm on the key three-point play late in regulation.

For Rockets fans: are they better off without Dwight Howard?

 

[Timmay]

Rockets-Cavs had a bit of playoff-level intensity.

I love Harden (whom I call "Lefty Lincoln"), but man he gets away with some ####.

Kicks LeBron in the ballz. Pushes off with his right arm on the key three-point play late in regulation.

For Rockets fans: are they better off without Dwight Howard?

Every superstar gets their calls, Lebron yesterday could have killed Beverly or Brewer and the refs wouldn't of called that 2nd tech on him. I found it odd that Tristan Thompson got the tech along with Brewer. Not saying they should of gave #2 on Lebron, but Thompson probably said 2 words during that spat.

I've watched probably 80% of Rockets game this year because I find them to be one of the most entertaining teams in the NBA this year. I like Harden, TJones, Beverly, Ariza, DMO and enjoy their 2nd unit almost just as much. Fun team to watch. Can't stand Dwight though, maybe that is why they are so much more enjoyable this year than years past.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Rockets-Cavs had a bit of playoff-level intensity.

I love Harden (whom I call "Lefty Lincoln"), but man he gets away with some ####.

Kicks LeBron in the ballz. Pushes off with his right arm on the key three-point play late in regulation.

For Rockets fans: are they better off without Dwight Howard?

Every superstar gets their calls, Lebron yesterday could have killed Beverly or Brewer and the refs wouldn't of called that 2nd tech on him. I found it odd that Tristan Thompson got the tech along with Brewer. Not saying they should of gave #2 on Lebron, but Thompson probably said 2 words during that spat.

I've watched probably 80% of Rockets game this year because I find them to be one of the most entertaining teams in the NBA this year. I like Harden, TJones, Beverly, Ariza, DMO and enjoy their 2nd unit almost just as much. Fun team to watch. Can't stand Dwight though, maybe that is why they are so much more enjoyable this year than years past.

I dunno. I think there's a big difference between what most superstars do and what Harden does. Most superstars play their game and get the benefit of calls (also I think the extent to which this happens is exaggerated by most fans, but that's a topic for another time). Other than his three-point shooting, Harden's game revolves around getting calls. Flopping, locking arms with defenders knowing that if both players tumble the call will go against the defenders, doing that "throw your hands in the air" gesture whenever the ball is knocked away, etc.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Thrilling Knicks-Pistons game heading to 2nd OT.

Is Amundsen the first player since Scott Pollard to have a ponytail?

Noah has to be the best ponytail player of all time.

That's not a ponytail; it's a Lilith Sternin Crane bun.

Early in his NBA career it was a ponytail.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Regarding that point, here's a list of players by FTA/FGA. The guys at the top are mostly big men, as you'd expect ... they're more likely to get the ball in a position where a foul is a better option than a FGA, they take fewer uncontested shots, they absorb more lose ball fouls under the rim, etc. Harden is the top guard listed. He was also the top guard listed last year. And the guys who come after him aren't the superstars- this year it's Butler, Lou Williams and the Greek Freak (not sure if he should count as a guard for these purposes). Last year it was Ramon Sessions and then a similar cast of characters. The superstar guards who have offensive games most similar to Harden, guys like Manu, Irving and Paul, are way down the list.

 

[Britney Spears]

Regarding that point, here's a list of players by FTA/FGA. The guys at the top are mostly big men, as you'd expect ... they're more likely to get the ball in a position where a foul is a better option than a FTA, they take fewer uncontested shots, they absorb more lose ball fouls under the rim, etc. Harden is the top guard listed. He was also the top guard listed last year. And the guys who come after him aren't the superstars- this year it's Butler, Lou Williams and the Greek Freak (not sure if he should count as a guard for these purposes). Last year it was Ramon Sessions and then a similar cast of characters. The superstar guards who have offensive games most similar to Harden, guys like Manu, Irving and Paul, are way down the list.

I didn't get a chance to watch yesterday, but generally find watching Harden painful, despite the great beard. The flops are egregious even in today's NBA.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

And the hits keep coming for the Bulls


Jimmy Butler - G/F - Bulls

Jimmy Butler (elbow) is expected to miss three-to-four weeks with a sprain, but he will not need surgery, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
And per beat writer KC Johnson, Butler will be evaluated on a weekly basis, and it's possible he'll return in under three weeks, but we're definitely looking at an extended absence for Jimmy Buckets. Without Butler, Tony Snell should move into the starting lineup and is a must-add in every format where he's available. Without Butler and Derrick Rose (knee), the Bulls are going to be slogging through the offensive end in the near future.
Related: Derrick Rose, Tony Snell

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

DeAndre Jordan has 15+ rebounds in his last 8 games.

The NBA record for most consecutive games with 15+ rebounds is held by Wilt Chamberlain, who hit that mark in 186 straight games.

 

[Jack White]

And the hits keep coming for the Bulls

Jimmy Butler - G/F - Bulls
Jimmy Butler (elbow) is expected to miss three-to-four weeks with a sprain, but he will not need surgery, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
And per beat writer KC Johnson, Butler will be evaluated on a weekly basis, and it's possible he'll return in under three weeks, but we're definitely looking at an extended absence for Jimmy Buckets. Without Butler, Tony Snell should move into the starting lineup and is a must-add in every format where he's available. Without Butler and Derrick Rose (knee), the Bulls are going to be slogging through the offensive end in the near future.
Related: Derrick Rose, Tony Snell

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

Yeah, this is going to hurt. I could see the Bulls slipping to the six seed.

 

[SWC]

DeAndre Jordan has 15+ rebounds in his last 8 games.

The NBA record for most consecutive games with 15+ rebounds is held by Wilt Chamberlain, who hit that mark in 186 straight games.

yeah that is one hell of a thing brohan good post man he was something else

 

[SoBeDad]

Two white guys led the Heat to beat the Suns by double digits. Dragic got into foul trouble early but had 21 points in 15 minutes, while D-Leaguer Tyler Johnson added 26 point. Five teams are battling for the last 2 play-off spots in the East. Before Bosh went down, I thought the new Heat with the most efficient big men in the East, along with Deng, Dragic and Wade could give the Raptors and Bulls a tough playoff series. Now I don't think so. The Heat play the Raptors next week.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Nice wrasslin' move by Hassan.

 

[AAABatteries]

And the hits keep coming for the Bulls

Jimmy Butler - G/F - Bulls

Jimmy Butler (elbow) is expected to miss three-to-four weeks with a sprain, but he will not need surgery, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

And per beat writer KC Johnson, Butler will be evaluated on a weekly basis, and it's possible he'll return in under three weeks, but we're definitely looking at an extended absence for Jimmy Buckets. Without Butler, Tony Snell should move into the starting lineup and is a must-add in every format where he's available. Without Butler and Derrick Rose (knee), the Bulls are going to be slogging through the offensive end in the near future.

Related: Derrick Rose, Tony Snell

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

Yeah, this is going to hurt. I could see the Bulls slipping to the six seed.

Seriously doubt it happens but my ideal scenario is

1. Hawks

2. Raptors

3. Cavs

4. Wiz

5. Bucks

6. Bulls

7. Miami

8. Brooklyn

 

[AAABatteries]

Hawks catch a break with Harden suspended - ATL fans miss out on seeing The Beard though.

 

[bigbottom]

Rockets-Cavs had a bit of playoff-level intensity.

I love Harden (whom I call "Lefty Lincoln"), but man he gets away with some ####.

Kicks LeBron in the ballz. Pushes off with his right arm on the key three-point play late in regulation.

For Rockets fans: are they better off without Dwight Howard?

Every superstar gets their calls, Lebron yesterday could have killed Beverly or Brewer and the refs wouldn't of called that 2nd tech on him. I found it odd that Tristan Thompson got the tech along with Brewer. Not saying they should of gave #2 on Lebron, but Thompson probably said 2 words during that spat.

I've watched probably 80% of Rockets game this year because I find them to be one of the most entertaining teams in the NBA this year. I like Harden, TJones, Beverly, Ariza, DMO and enjoy their 2nd unit almost just as much. Fun team to watch. Can't stand Dwight though, maybe that is why they are so much more enjoyable this year than years past.

I dunno. I think there's a big difference between what most superstars do and what Harden does. Most superstars play their game and get the benefit of calls (also I think the extent to which this happens is exaggerated by most fans, but that's a topic for another time). Other than his three-point shooting, Harden's game revolves around getting calls. Flopping, locking arms with defenders knowing that if both players tumble the call will go against the defenders, doing that "throw your hands in the air" gesture whenever the ball is knocked away, etc.

I'd say his offensive game revolves around three things: three point shooting, juking guys while driving to the basket, and yes, getting calls by drawing contact (or selling it). I guess I don't much disagree with your overall point, but half the time when he drives the basket, he is able to avoid contact and get to the basket clean. I find it fascinating to watch how elusive he can be.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Rockets-Cavs had a bit of playoff-level intensity.

I love Harden (whom I call "Lefty Lincoln"), but man he gets away with some ####.

Kicks LeBron in the ballz. Pushes off with his right arm on the key three-point play late in regulation.

For Rockets fans: are they better off without Dwight Howard?

Every superstar gets their calls, Lebron yesterday could have killed Beverly or Brewer and the refs wouldn't of called that 2nd tech on him. I found it odd that Tristan Thompson got the tech along with Brewer. Not saying they should of gave #2 on Lebron, but Thompson probably said 2 words during that spat.

I've watched probably 80% of Rockets game this year because I find them to be one of the most entertaining teams in the NBA this year. I like Harden, TJones, Beverly, Ariza, DMO and enjoy their 2nd unit almost just as much. Fun team to watch. Can't stand Dwight though, maybe that is why they are so much more enjoyable this year than years past.

I dunno. I think there's a big difference between what most superstars do and what Harden does. Most superstars play their game and get the benefit of calls (also I think the extent to which this happens is exaggerated by most fans, but that's a topic for another time). Other than his three-point shooting, Harden's game revolves around getting calls. Flopping, locking arms with defenders knowing that if both players tumble the call will go against the defenders, doing that "throw your hands in the air" gesture whenever the ball is knocked away, etc.

I'd say his offensive game revolves around three things: three point shooting, juking guys while driving to the basket, and yes, getting calls by drawing contact (or selling it). I guess I don't much disagree with your overall point, but half the time when he drives the basket, he is able to avoid contact and get to the basket clean. I find it fascinating to watch how elusive he can be.

Agree with you on Harden's ability to make defenders miss him. He's got an Earl Monroe (or Sam Cassell) thing going with dribbling into the pile: unusual ability to get a clean layup attempt away, plus the threat of hitting layups from weird angles gets defenders to commit when they otherwise wouldn't.Another element of Harden's offensive game that Tobias missed is his ability to create open three-point shots for teammates. He's very good at finding open three-point shooters from the lane. So when Harden drives, he can sense the help defense and kick it out for an open three, which also reduces the incentive to collapse the defense when he drives, giving him more space to operate. Part of Harden being able to find open space along the backboard is creating scenarios where there aren't as many bad guys nearby,

Harden turns it over a lot, but he's also close to seven assists per game, and almost all of them create three-pointers or layups. So he's creating efficient offense for others, too.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'm guessing an intentional kick should be treated in game no differently then an intentional punch. Maybe the refs were told to look stupid if it's a superstar committing the crime, but hopefully that's not the case.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Rockets-Cavs had a bit of playoff-level intensity.

I love Harden (whom I call "Lefty Lincoln"), but man he gets away with some ####.

Kicks LeBron in the ballz. Pushes off with his right arm on the key three-point play late in regulation.

For Rockets fans: are they better off without Dwight Howard?

Every superstar gets their calls, Lebron yesterday could have killed Beverly or Brewer and the refs wouldn't of called that 2nd tech on him. I found it odd that Tristan Thompson got the tech along with Brewer. Not saying they should of gave #2 on Lebron, but Thompson probably said 2 words during that spat.

I've watched probably 80% of Rockets game this year because I find them to be one of the most entertaining teams in the NBA this year. I like Harden, TJones, Beverly, Ariza, DMO and enjoy their 2nd unit almost just as much. Fun team to watch. Can't stand Dwight though, maybe that is why they are so much more enjoyable this year than years past.

I dunno. I think there's a big difference between what most superstars do and what Harden does. Most superstars play their game and get the benefit of calls (also I think the extent to which this happens is exaggerated by most fans, but that's a topic for another time). Other than his three-point shooting, Harden's game revolves around getting calls. Flopping, locking arms with defenders knowing that if both players tumble the call will go against the defenders, doing that "throw your hands in the air" gesture whenever the ball is knocked away, etc.

I'd say his offensive game revolves around three things: three point shooting, juking guys while driving to the basket, and yes, getting calls by drawing contact (or selling it). I guess I don't much disagree with your overall point, but half the time when he drives the basket, he is able to avoid contact and get to the basket clean. I find it fascinating to watch how elusive he can be.

Agree with you on Harden's ability to make defenders miss him. He's got an Earl Monroe (or Sam Cassell) thing going with dribbling into the pile: unusual ability to get a clean layup attempt away, plus the threat of hitting layups from weird angles gets defenders to commit when they otherwise wouldn't.Another element of Harden's offensive game that Tobias missed is his ability to create open three-point shots for teammates. He's very good at finding open three-point shooters from the lane. So when Harden drives, he can sense the help defense and kick it out for an open three, which also reduces the incentive to collapse the defense when he drives, giving him more space to operate. Part of Harden being able to find open space along the backboard is creating scenarios where there aren't as many bad guys nearby,

Harden turns it over a lot, but he's also close to seven assists per game, and almost all of them create three-pointers or layups. So he's creating efficient offense for others, too.

Yup, he does a lot of things very well, and he drives and dishes as well as anyone in the league. I didn't mean to suggest that shooting threes and getting calls is all he does- I was talking about his scoring game and wasn't really clear there. But his scoring is far more dependent on selling calls than the other superstars/scoring leaders, that's what I meant. As a result I don't enjoy watching his game as much as I enjoy watching most of the other superstars. LeBron takes some heat for flopping but Harden is several levels beyond what he does. Wade is a little closer to the Harden level, but he's really in a class by himself IMO because of that arm lock takedown move we saw in that Sunday highlight with LeBron which he pulls all game. Once he does it to your team in a big spot, as he did to mine here, you start paying attention, and when you do you see that he does it constantly.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Yup, he does a lot of things very well, and he drives and dishes as well as anyone in the league. I didn't mean to suggest that shooting threes and getting calls is all he does- I was talking about his scoring game and wasn't really clear there. But his scoring is far more dependent on selling calls than the other superstars/scoring leaders, that's what I meant. As a result I don't enjoy watching his game as much as I enjoy watching most of the other superstars. LeBron takes some heat for flopping but Harden is several levels beyond what he does. Wade is a little closer to the Harden level, but he's really in a class by himself IMO because of that arm lock takedown move we saw in that Sunday highlight with LeBron which he pulls all game. Once he does it to your team in a big spot, as he did to mine here, you start paying attention, and when you do you see that he does it constantly.

He also managed to set and then receive a moving screen before the arm lock. Impressive 3 seconds of work from the 'New King James'.

 

[Jack White]

Yup, he does a lot of things very well, and he drives and dishes as well as anyone in the league. I didn't mean to suggest that shooting threes and getting calls is all he does- I was talking about his scoring game and wasn't really clear there. But his scoring is far more dependent on selling calls than the other superstars/scoring leaders, that's what I meant. As a result I don't enjoy watching his game as much as I enjoy watching most of the other superstars. LeBron takes some heat for flopping but Harden is several levels beyond what he does. Wade is a little closer to the Harden level, but he's really in a class by himself IMO because of that arm lock takedown move we saw in that Sunday highlight with LeBron which he pulls all game. Once he does it to your team in a big spot, as he did to mine here, you start paying attention, and when you do you see that he does it constantly.

He also managed to set and then receive a moving screen before the arm lock. Impressive 3 seconds of work from the 'New King James'.

Sometimes it seems most of the screens set in the NBA are of the moving variety.

 

[Todem]

Two white guys led the Heat to beat the Suns by double digits. Dragic got into foul trouble early but had 21 points in 15 minutes, while D-Leaguer Tyler Johnson added 26 point. Five teams are battling for the last 2 play-off spots in the East. Before Bosh went down, I thought the new Heat with the most efficient big men in the East, along with Deng, Dragic and Wade could give the Raptors and Bulls a tough playoff series. Now I don't think so. The Heat play the Raptors next week.

Agreed. Losing Bosh was a huge blow. It has been a massive struggle for the team with injuries. But looking towards next season...a healthy Bosh and our new starting 5 looks very formidable with Chalmers, Birdman and McBob off the bench as well.

The Heat need Wade to play basically all of the remaining games to have any shot at squeaking into the post season. The Dragic trade was awesome, the Whiteside find incredible. Things are looking very positive for 15/16 and a return to high caliber Heat basketball.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Two white guys led the Heat to beat the Suns by double digits. Dragic got into foul trouble early but had 21 points in 15 minutes, while D-Leaguer Tyler Johnson added 26 point. Five teams are battling for the last 2 play-off spots in the East. Before Bosh went down, I thought the new Heat with the most efficient big men in the East, along with Deng, Dragic and Wade could give the Raptors and Bulls a tough playoff series. Now I don't think so. The Heat play the Raptors next week.

I want to see the Heat vs. legitimate competition. It'll be tough for them to just make the playoffs. They're zero playoff threat. I really didn't see them as a big threat even with Bosh (and Dragic) to be honest.

Suns have been absolutely abysmal since the Dragic trade. And they were on a slide even before the deal.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Kinda funny that Harden doesn't get thrown out when he should have, but then gets suspended for the game against the team Cleveland is trying to chase. Kind of a double whammy for Cleveland there.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Kinda funny that Harden doesn't get thrown out when he should have, but then gets suspended for the game against the team Cleveland is trying to chase. Kind of a double whammy for Cleveland there.

I don't think there's any way that CLE is going to run down ATL.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Kinda funny that Harden doesn't get thrown out when he should have, but then gets suspended for the game against the team Cleveland is trying to chase. Kind of a double whammy for Cleveland there.

Eh, Cavs are 11 back with about 22 to play. They're trying to chase Atlanta in the same sense that the Jets are trying to chase the Patriots. Cavs focus is presumably the 2 seed, which sets them up to play one of the East's two sub-.500 playoff teams in the first round and gives them home court against probably the Raptors in the second round.

 

[SWC]

looks like shaw just got canned brohans

 

[TobiasFunke]

looks like shaw just got canned brohans

Yeah, when you're players are breaking the huddle with "1-2-3 ... Six more weeks!" I'd say you probably need to make a change.

 

[Bobcat10]

Kinda funny that Harden doesn't get thrown out when he should have, but then gets suspended for the game against the team Cleveland is trying to chase. Kind of a double whammy for Cleveland there.

Eh, Cavs are 11 back with about 22 to play. They're trying to chase Atlanta in the same sense that the Jets are trying to chase the Patriots. Cavs focus is presumably the 2 seed, which sets them up to play one of the East's two sub-.500 playoff teams in the first round and gives them home court against probably the Raptors in the second round.

Yeah, they'd be going after games like Indiana instead of resting Lebron too.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

One of the worst mismatched hires in recent memory. Fairly certain Shaw passed up previous head coach opportunities. No clue why he agreed to coach here.

The Denver Nuggets have fired head coach Brian Shaw, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.
This move doesn't come as a huge shock as the Denver currently sits at 20-39 with Shaw thish season.. We'll have to wait and see what the Nuggets' plan is for Shaw's replacement, but fantasy owners have to be happy with this news as it's been near impossible to predict Shaw's rotations.


Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

 

[thecatch]

I thought Shaw's deal was that he was interviewed 1000x times but no one ever liked him enough to hire him.

 

[Kev4029]

Thank god. Shaw was a joke.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I thought Shaw's deal was that he was interviewed 1000x times but no one ever liked him enough to hire him.

Very possible. Thought he declined the Knicks job at one point.

Just thought Nuggets/Shaw marriage was a terrible fit from the beginning. Remember watching a few of first several games he coached with them and thinking it. Might have even commented on it here at the time. It was blatantly apparent. Defensive minded half court triangle guy with the defensively challenged talent that needed to run to have any chance.

 

[Kev4029]

I thought Shaw's deal was that he was interviewed 1000x times but no one ever liked him enough to hire him.

Very possible. Thought he declined the Knicks job at one point.

Just thought Nuggets/Shaw marriage was a terrible fit from the beginning. Remember watching a few of first several games he coached with them and thinking it. Might have even commented on it here at the time. It was blatantly apparent. Defensive minded half court triangle guy with the defensively challenged talent that needed to run to have any chance.

Denver was a good, not great, defensive team for most of Karl's tenure. They were awful under Shaw. The biggest weakness of Shaw also happened to be Karl's biggest strength. Karl has always schemed for his talent, Shaw was trying to force a square peg into a round hole. The Nuggets have been one of the more athletic teams in the NBA for the last decade, Karl used that to play an aggressive defensive style that created turnovers, Shaw wanted to run a conservative scheme that required good positioning and big defenders.

 

[SWC]

i sometimes just think that a guy is a lousy coach because he can not connect with his players and get them to buy in and well i sort of feel like the team just did not want any part of what shaw was selling good bad or otherwise bromigos

 

[E Street Brat]

I'm here for the #### kicking.

 

[Kev4029]

i sometimes just think that a guy is a lousy coach because he can not connect with his players and get them to buy in and well i sort of feel like the team just did not want any part of what shaw was selling good bad or otherwise bromigos

That's definitely true. Karl ran the team with some sort of organized chaos that was probably a house of cards which was bound to collapse. When Shaw took over he tried to instill organization and a level of professionalism which the players obviously weren't mature enough to conform to. I don't think Shaw is head coaching material but the fit with the Nuggets was awkward at best.

 

[rodg12]

i sometimes just think that a guy is a lousy coach because he can not connect with his players and get them to buy in and well i sort of feel like the team just did not want any part of what shaw was selling good bad or otherwise bromigos

That's definitely true. Karl ran the team with some sort of organized chaos that was probably a house of cards which was bound to collapse. When Shaw took over he tried to instill organization and a level of professionalism which the players obviously weren't mature enough to conform to. I don't think Shaw is head coaching material but the fit with the Nuggets was awkward at best.

And that's not even getting into the fact that the squad was built to run and gun and he wanted to play a slow it down, defensive brand of basketball. Just not a good fit overall.

 

[Kev4029]

i sometimes just think that a guy is a lousy coach because he can not connect with his players and get them to buy in and well i sort of feel like the team just did not want any part of what shaw was selling good bad or otherwise bromigos

That's definitely true. Karl ran the team with some sort of organized chaos that was probably a house of cards which was bound to collapse. When Shaw took over he tried to instill organization and a level of professionalism which the players obviously weren't mature enough to conform to. I don't think Shaw is head coaching material but the fit with the Nuggets was awkward at best.

And that's not even getting into the fact that the squad was built to run and gun and he wanted to play a slow it down, defensive brand of basketball. Just not a good fit overall.

To be fair to Shaw, after the first two months last season he figured out that the team needed to run more. They had the third fastest pace last year and the fifth fastest pace this year, with both years having a quicker pace than the last year of Karl's Nuggets. They do score significantly less on fast breaks (15-ish points to 20-ish post and pre Karl), but that is more of a factor of the defense than the offense.

 

[AAABatteries]

Nice comeback by the Hawks against Houston. Rockets controlled the first 3 quarters without Harden but Hawks played a great 4th quarter and got a little help from the refs.

 

[SWC]

well the coachless nuggets are beating the bucks right now so i wish they had kept shaw for one more game take that to the bank

 

[Kev4029]

well the coachless nuggets are beating the bucks right now so i wish they had kept shaw for one more game take that to the bank

Yeah, it goes to show how the Nuggets totally quit on Shaw. I think they were actively trying to get him fired this whole season.

 

[SWC]

the bucks are in a tailspin since they got rid of brandon knight right now i do not like it i hope that they can turn it around take that to the bank brohans