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[Bruce Dickinson]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

FIBA's old rule for the bonus was similar to this. On any non-shooting foul while in the bonus, the team that was fouled had the option to shoot the free throws or take the ball out of bounds with a fresh shot clock. They got rid of it partially to align more with American rules, but it also created endgame situations where teams would keep fouling and trying to steal the subsequent inbounds pass. That slowed the game down even more than free throws.The solution for Hack-A-Brick-FT-Shooter is to let the team that was fouled choose anyone on the court at the time of the foul to shoot the free throws. Teams would stop fouling Andre Jordan away from the ball if it meant JJ Redick got to shoot two free throws as a consequence.

So every team that doesn't employ terrible FT shooters gets punished for off the ball fouls? Doesn't make much sense.

I don't think Hack-A-Jordan is a big enough problem to warrant a rule change for solving it. But allowing to sub the FT shooter eliminates the Hack-A-Jordan fouls without altering the game any other way.

 

[ArbyMelt]

Why not just use the college rule? All intentional fouls are 2 shots and the ball. If you are grabbing a guy off the ball, that is an intentional foul. 2 shots and the ball. I don't understand why that isn't the rule now. It should also apply to these guys who grab someone when going for a layup.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

I'm on board with some kind of fix and I think this is the best idea I've seen so far. But one problem is that this solution just create more refereeing judgment calls which just creates a new problem. Let's say we change the rule as you state. How does the ref determine intent? Wouldn't opposing teams just start grabbing at Jordan's jersey or pinning his arms down as he fights for position in the post, or run right through him when he tries to set a screen?

One idea that just occurred to me so I'm sure it has some huge problem I haven't considered yet- go to three free throws on all fouls after a certain point over the limit, like maybe the 10th foul of the quarter.

One of the CBB proposed rule changes that will be discussed this summer (but won't be implemented for at least 4-6 years, if at all) is making bonus non-shooting fouls committed beyond the three-point line worth three free throws. It's a proposal to counter the tactic of a team deliberately fouling on the floor in the closing seconds while up three to prevent a three-point shot attempt. But I suppose it could also counter Hack-A-Jordan; Andre would have to set up outside the three-point line on offense, but the run of play would be more likely to continue.

Back in the 1970s, the NBA had a "three to make two" bonus rule. If a shooting foul happened in the bonus, the player got to shoot up to three free throws for a maximum of two makes for two points while at the line.

 

[Sammy3469]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

So what rule changes can we make to stop Harden from getting to the line so much?

 

[Sammy3469]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

So what rule changes can we make to stop Harden from getting to the line so much?

Okay

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

Yes. There's also a philosophical point about fouls. Fouls are supposed to be a bad thing for defense to do and should have strong enough consequences for defenses to avoid committing them. Teams foul as an endgame desperation tactic, but there's a lot offenses can do to make that work in their favor as much as possible. If there's incentive for a defense to foul a player away from the action and stop the run of play, there's a flaw in the game design.

I agree with others who say the simplest solution is to practice free throw shooting and get better at it. But watching teams employ Hack-A-Jordan doesn't feel like they are playing the game as designed; it's more like they found a glitch in a video game and are exploiting it.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

So what rule changes can we make to stop Harden from getting to the line so much?

Eliminate the charge/block rule. It would stop players like Harden from driving into a moving opponent to draw a foul and instead direct his attention towards the basket or open space.

 

[Mile High]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

 

[Short Corner]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

So what rule changes can we make to stop Harden from getting to the line so much?

Eliminate the charge/block rule. It would stop players like Harden from driving into a moving opponent to draw a foul and instead direct his attention towards the basket or open space.

The charge/block rule?

 

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I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

This. natural selection will take care of this.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

Yes. There's also a philosophical point about fouls. Fouls are supposed to be a bad thing for defense to do and should have strong enough consequences for defenses to avoid committing them. Teams foul as an endgame desperation tactic, but there's a lot offenses can do to make that work in their favor as much as possible. If there's incentive for a defense to foul a player away from the action and stop the run of play, there's a flaw in the game design.

I agree with others who say the simplest solution is to practice free throw shooting and get better at it. But watching teams employ Hack-A-Jordan doesn't feel like they are playing the game as designed; it's more like they found a glitch in a video game and are exploiting it.

I agree with all of this, particularly the philosophical point. Ugly games like that don't happen very often- there aren't that many DeAndres out there that are on the floor a lot and hit at a rate bad enough to arguably make it worthwhile to hack them. You need to be at 40% or lower, really. But since fouls are supposed to be something you're penalized for, there's every reason to change the rule even if these cases are rare.

Another even simpler possibility that just occurred to me- 10 man active rosters with 1-2 guys designated as injury replacements, only able to take the floor if one of the 10 active players is ruled out for reasons other than fouling out of the game. You either eliminate designated foulers like Clint Capela and Joey Dorsey from the roster or you make it riskier for them (or a starter) to run up their foul counts.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

So what rule changes can we make to stop Harden from getting to the line so much?

Eliminate the charge/block rule. It would stop players like Harden from driving into a moving opponent to draw a foul and instead direct his attention towards the basket or open space.

The charge/block rule?

Don't call blocking or charging fouls. Take them out of the game.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

Yes. There's also a philosophical point about fouls. Fouls are supposed to be a bad thing for defense to do and should have strong enough consequences for defenses to avoid committing them. Teams foul as an endgame desperation tactic, but there's a lot offenses can do to make that work in their favor as much as possible. If there's incentive for a defense to foul a player away from the action and stop the run of play, there's a flaw in the game design.

I agree with others who say the simplest solution is to practice free throw shooting and get better at it. But watching teams employ Hack-A-Jordan doesn't feel like they are playing the game as designed; it's more like they found a glitch in a video game and are exploiting it.

I agree with all of this, particularly the philosophical point. Ugly games like that don't happen very often- there aren't that many DeAndres out there that are on the floor a lot and hit at a rate bad enough to arguably make it worthwhile to hack them. You need to be at 40% or lower, really. But since fouls are supposed to be something you're penalized for, there's every reason to change the rule even if these cases are rare.

Another even simpler possibility that just occurred to me- 10 man active rosters with 1-2 guys designated as injury replacements, only able to take the floor if one of the 10 active players is ruled out for reasons other than fouling out of the game. You either eliminate designated foulers like Clint Capela and Joey Dorsey from the roster or you make it riskier for them (or a starter) to run up their foul counts.

Or count each intentional off the ball foul as 2 personals.

 

[Village Idiot]

Suggested rule change.... a team can decline the free throws from an intentional foul (and take the ball out of bounds) until the last 2 minutes of each half. Any potential problems with this?

FIBA's old rule for the bonus was similar to this. On any non-shooting foul while in the bonus, the team that was fouled had the option to shoot the free throws or take the ball out of bounds with a fresh shot clock. They got rid of it partially to align more with American rules, but it also created endgame situations where teams would keep fouling and trying to steal the subsequent inbounds pass. That slowed the game down even more than free throws.The solution for Hack-A-Brick-FT-Shooter is to let the team that was fouled choose anyone on the court at the time of the foul to shoot the free throws. Teams would stop fouling Andre Jordan away from the ball if it meant JJ Redick got to shoot two free throws as a consequence.

The solution is to learn how to make your ####### FTs. A rule change is going to make DJ another $5M/year if it happens

The solution is allow the team that was fouled to choose to take the ball out with a reset shot clock or shoot free throws.Fouling someone is supposed to have consequences.

Just giving someone a personal foul is not enough.

Or maybe reduce the number of fouls required for being out of a game to 4.

Nah. Pop will just rotate more end of the bench guys in to foul.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

Yes. There's also a philosophical point about fouls. Fouls are supposed to be a bad thing for defense to do and should have strong enough consequences for defenses to avoid committing them. Teams foul as an endgame desperation tactic, but there's a lot offenses can do to make that work in their favor as much as possible. If there's incentive for a defense to foul a player away from the action and stop the run of play, there's a flaw in the game design.

I agree with others who say the simplest solution is to practice free throw shooting and get better at it. But watching teams employ Hack-A-Jordan doesn't feel like they are playing the game as designed; it's more like they found a glitch in a video game and are exploiting it.

I agree with all of this, particularly the philosophical point. Ugly games like that don't happen very often- there aren't that many DeAndres out there that are on the floor a lot and hit at a rate bad enough to arguably make it worthwhile to hack them. You need to be at 40% or lower, really. But since fouls are supposed to be something you're penalized for, there's every reason to change the rule even if these cases are rare.

Another even simpler possibility that just occurred to me- 10 man active rosters with 1-2 guys designated as injury replacements, only able to take the floor if one of the 10 active players is ruled out for reasons other than fouling out of the game. You either eliminate designated foulers like Clint Capela and Joey Dorsey from the roster or you make it riskier for them (or a starter) to run up their foul counts.

They are being punished by fouling; they are giving the opposing team free throws.

The opposing team is punishing itself by playing a guy who cannot make the most fundamental shot in the game.

 

[Todem]

What an incredbile weekend of post season NBA.

Lebrons shot was sick.....after being obviously fouled (not called) I felt good for him sinking that side fade away jumper.

It was majestic.

 

[Gr00vus]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

Because last night game was simply horrendous to watch. Basketball is a flow/action game, not a foul shooting experiment in math.

Yes. There's also a philosophical point about fouls. Fouls are supposed to be a bad thing for defense to do and should have strong enough consequences for defenses to avoid committing them. Teams foul as an endgame desperation tactic, but there's a lot offenses can do to make that work in their favor as much as possible. If there's incentive for a defense to foul a player away from the action and stop the run of play, there's a flaw in the game design.

I agree with others who say the simplest solution is to practice free throw shooting and get better at it. But watching teams employ Hack-A-Jordan doesn't feel like they are playing the game as designed; it's more like they found a glitch in a video game and are exploiting it.

I agree with all of this, particularly the philosophical point. Ugly games like that don't happen very often- there aren't that many DeAndres out there that are on the floor a lot and hit at a rate bad enough to arguably make it worthwhile to hack them. You need to be at 40% or lower, really. But since fouls are supposed to be something you're penalized for, there's every reason to change the rule even if these cases are rare.

Another even simpler possibility that just occurred to me- 10 man active rosters with 1-2 guys designated as injury replacements, only able to take the floor if one of the 10 active players is ruled out for reasons other than fouling out of the game. You either eliminate designated foulers like Clint Capela and Joey Dorsey from the roster or you make it riskier for them (or a starter) to run up their foul counts.

They are being punished by fouling; they are giving the opposing team free throws.

The opposing team is punishing itself by playing a guy who cannot make the most fundamental shot in the game.

I agree with you. I also think there should be escalating penalties for teams who commit a lot of fouls. Say at 12 team fouls for a quarter the other team gets 3 free throws. At 18 they get 3 free throws and the ball or something. Fouls are a bad thing, there shouldn't be incentives for committing them.

 

[SWC]

I just don't understand why people want to change rules for a couple incompetent free throw shooters.

this a great point we do not change the rules for any other weakness in a guys game i mean hey the bucks stink at threes they better move the line in or hey larry sanders is really only good at getting in bar fights better make that legal it just does not make sense if they do not like there big guys gettting fouled a lot teach the big guy to make fts simple as that take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Jack White]

What an incredbile weekend of post season NBA.

Lebrons shot was sick.....after being obviously fouled (not called) I felt good for him sinking that side fade away jumper.

It was majestic.

No ref is going to call a minor bump with three seconds left in a tie game when the guy is behind the backboard with no chance to score.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I agree with you. I also think there should be escalating penalties for teams who commit a lot of fouls. Say at 12 team fouls for a quarter the other team gets 3 free throws. At 18 they get 3 free throws and the ball or something. Fouls are a bad thing, there shouldn't be incentives for committing them.

I'm all for less free throws; I rarely ever start watching a game live because of them. The 30-second skip ahead button on the remote is glorious. But I don't want to see rules changed for ####ty players.

Basketball would be much more exciting (especially to the casual fan) if FTs were eliminated. If we're making up rules, I'd go with a hockey type penalty and play 5 on 4 for the next possession. Foul is committed, the fouler goes to the scorers table and sits until a) ball hits the rim b) turnover c) basket. No stoppage to bring the player back in the game.

 

[Todem]

What an incredbile weekend of post season NBA.

Lebrons shot was sick.....after being obviously fouled (not called) I felt good for him sinking that side fade away jumper.

It was majestic.

No ref is going to call a minor bump with three seconds left in a tie game when the guy is behind the backboard with no chance to score.

Minor bump? Guy landed on his shoulder leaving his feet early. It was so obvious.

Now I get the whole "not going to call it on the road with 3 ticks left" but it was such an obvious foul under the basket. But I get it.

Lebron hit the shot....guy took care of business.

 

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@RossWooden
Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

@RossWooden ·
When guarded by Tony Allen, #Warriors' players are 3-19 from 15+ feet (15.8%) and 0-13 from 3-point range in the West Semis. #FirstTeam
@ViewFromBoxSeat
From my count, the Warriors have led 7 minutes and 12 seconds since the start of Game 2.

 

[Gr00vus]

I agree with you. I also think there should be escalating penalties for teams who commit a lot of fouls. Say at 12 team fouls for a quarter the other team gets 3 free throws. At 18 they get 3 free throws and the ball or something. Fouls are a bad thing, there shouldn't be incentives for committing them.

I'm all for less free throws; I rarely ever start watching a game live because of them. The 30-second skip ahead button on the remote is glorious. But I don't want to see rules changed for ####ty players.

Basketball would be much more exciting (especially to the casual fan) if FTs were eliminated. If we're making up rules, I'd go with a hockey type penalty and play 5 on 4 for the next possession. Foul is committed, the fouler goes to the scorers table and sits until a) ball hits the rim b) turnover c) basket. No stoppage to bring the player back in the game.

 

[Jack White]

What an incredbile weekend of post season NBA.

Lebrons shot was sick.....after being obviously fouled (not called) I felt good for him sinking that side fade away jumper.

It was majestic.

No ref is going to call a minor bump with three seconds left in a tie game when the guy is behind the backboard with no chance to score.

Minor bump? Guy landed on his shoulder leaving his feet early. It was so obvious.Now I get the whole "not going to call it on the road with 3 ticks left" but it was such an obvious foul under the basket. But I get it.

Lebron hit the shot....guy took care of business.

Imagine the opposite scenario: ref calls a foul on a pass - and LeBron was passing it to Shumpert in the corner - and the game is decided on foul shots.

That would a much bigger story and controversy today.

 

[Jack White]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

 

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@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

 

[Jack White]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

How do hate an anonymous persona on a fantasy football message board?

 

[Gr00vus]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

How do hate an anonymous persona on a fantasy football message board?

Wait, you're not the Jack White?

 

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@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

How do hate an anonymous persona on a fantasy football message board?

Wait, you're not the Jack White?

 

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at thread title over 1 post.

On that note, I think I'll start posting much more in here. I mean, if I'm gonna get my name on the marquee, I might as well earn it

 

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Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.

I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

@RossWooden
Marc Gasol: 19.9 PPG 9.5 RPG 4.1 APG 1.5 BPG. The last player to post all of those averages in a single #NBAPlayoffs was KG in 2004.

 

[Slapdash]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

How do hate an anonymous persona on a fantasy football message board?

Wait, you're not the Jack White?

Jack White Fan

 

[Gr00vus]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

How do hate an anonymous persona on a fantasy football message board?

Wait, you're not the Jack White?

Jack White Fan

Mods, get this fixed or I'm suing FBG FFA for false advertising.

 

[sjslacker]

For those saying don't change the FT rule, are you ok with it being inside 2:00min intentional fouls the team gets 1 FT and the ball? If so why?

What if they expanded that rule instead of inside 2 min if the team being fouled is in the bonus and they get intentionally fouled they get a FT and the ball?

I don't get why they cant make it a judgement call like flagrant fouls. If it's not a "basketball play" (i.e. intentional fouls) then the team should get FT and the ball or something. No need for an overhaul but a tweak.

Players who are bad FT shooters still can be fouled, but only on basketball plays, not crap back court intentional fouls.

 

[GOB]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

God I hate Twitter.

And everyone hates you, so it works out.

How do hate an anonymous persona on a fantasy football message board?

Wait, you're not the Jack White?

Jack White Fan

Let's be honest, Jack White doesn't have any fans... the poster or the singer.

 

[msudaisy26]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

@RossWooden

Marc Gasol: 19.9 PPG 9.5 RPG 4.1 APG 1.5 BPG. The last player to post all of those averages in a single #NBAPlayoffs was KG in 2004.

That is only because the Warriors front court has the attention span of 3 seconds.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

@RossWooden

Marc Gasol: 19.9 PPG 9.5 RPG 4.1 APG 1.5 BPG. The last player to post all of those averages in a single #NBAPlayoffs was KG in 2004.

That is only because the Warriors front court has the attention span of 3 seconds.

The Warriors have the best defensive front court in the league.

Maybe I'm not reading your comment right?

 

[msudaisy26]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

@RossWoodenMarc Gasol: 19.9 PPG 9.5 RPG 4.1 APG 1.5 BPG. The last player to post all of those averages in a single #NBAPlayoffs was KG in 2004.

That is only because the Warriors front court has the attention span of 3 seconds.

The Warriors have the best defensive front court in the league.

Maybe I'm not reading your comment right?

It was a joke. Someone a few pages ago said Gasol would suck if he couldn't back players down and hold the ball forever.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Marc Gasol is the most boring player ever.

Of all the rule changes the NBA should be considering, clamping down on backing players down should be the top of the list. It is technically illegal and it makes the game look like crap.

They have a 5 second back to the basket rule and totally disagree about Gasol being boring. He passes so well.

They have a rule for traveling too.I agree gasol passes very well, but without being able to back a player down they would have zero reason to respect his scoring and he wouldn't be able to pass like he does.

@RossWoodenMarc Gasol: 19.9 PPG 9.5 RPG 4.1 APG 1.5 BPG. The last player to post all of those averages in a single #NBAPlayoffs was KG in 2004.

That is only because the Warriors front court has the attention span of 3 seconds.

The Warriors have the best defensive front court in the league.

Maybe I'm not reading your comment right?

It was a joke. Someone a few pages ago said Gasol would suck if he couldn't back players down and hold the ball forever.

Ah, now it makes more sense. Thanks

 

[TakiToki]

My preference would be to go the other way with the rules -- 1-and-1 for non-shooting fouls in the bonus. The hack-a-guy goes away because poor free throw shooters are unplayable.

 

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All twitter pump aside, I don't see how Golden Flakes don't wake up tonight and at least play a much more competitive back and forth match... if not an outright offensive explosion.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the winners of the games tonight win both series.

 

[Corporation]

All twitter pump aside, I don't see how Golden Flakes don't wake up tonight and at least play a much more competitive back and forth match... if not an outright offensive explosion.

They will have stiff competition from Pringles.

 

[No. 16]

@RossWooden

Since 2010-11 (incl playoffs), #Grizzlies are 12-1 vs #Warriors when @mconley11 and @aa000G9 both play >= 20 minutes (3-0 in 2014-15).

@RossWooden ·

When guarded by Tony Allen, #Warriors' players are 3-19 from 15+ feet (15.8%) and 0-13 from 3-point range in the West Semis. #FirstTeam

@ViewFromBoxSeat

From my count, the Warriors have led 7 minutes and 12 seconds since the start of Game 2.

Dubs were 4/18 on wide open 3 pointers last game per NBA sportsvue data. That's really the biggest difference.

They covert those like they normally do and Memphis is done.

 

[Bobcat10]

Don't the Clippers have a great record against hack-a-Jordan opponents?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Don't the Clippers have a great record against hack-a-Jordan opponents?

Yeah. Like 19-2 or something close.

 

[SWC]

plasma my brohan from another cleveland mothran what is going to happen with cle and chi next game bromigo

 

[Doctor Detroit]

*NBA THREAD* Jack White vs Icon. We all suffer.

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