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Whatever trade off CLE is making in offensive efficiency with those isos, they are making it back on the other end with better defense.
I think this hits the heart of the issue, and I'd take it a step further. Not only are the ISO sets Clev is running helpful on the defensive end, they may in fact be the most efficient sets offensively as well. I'm guessing the points per play suggest otherwise - like you point out the PNR involving Curry as the defender seemed successful (with the added bonus of forcing him to use energy on D), but does anyone really believe the Cleveland offense would be more efficient if Mozgov and James were getting more shots? I don't, even enough their eFGs are higher. I think more usage from those guys would hurt their efficiency.Which begs the question, is Clev really sacrificing offensive efficiency to slow the game down and give their players a bit of a blow to increase defensive efficiency, or are those benefits simply additional benefits of also running the most efficient and effective offensive set (ISO) given the personnel and circumstance?
Why is it nobody knows wtf 'begs the question' means?
You begged the question.
 
Whatever trade off CLE is making in offensive efficiency with those isos, they are making it back on the other end with better defense.
I think this hits the heart of the issue, and I'd take it a step further. Not only are the ISO sets Clev is running helpful on the defensive end, they may in fact be the most efficient sets offensively as well. I'm guessing the points per play suggest otherwise - like you point out the PNR involving Curry as the defender seemed successful (with the added bonus of forcing him to use energy on D), but does anyone really believe the Cleveland offense would be more efficient if Mozgov and James were getting more shots? I don't, even enough their eFGs are higher. I think more usage from those guys would hurt their efficiency.

Which begs the question, is Clev really sacrificing offensive efficiency to slow the game down and give their players a bit of a blow to increase defensive efficiency, or are those benefits simply additional benefits of also running the most efficient and effective offensive set (ISO) given the personnel and circumstance?
Why is it nobody knows wtf 'begs the question' means?
Two lectures during Philosophy 101. I'm good :hifive:

 
Maybe, not what I'd be betting right now though. I've said from the beginning this thing is going at least 6. At this point, if the Warriors take the series I think it'll be 7.
Sportsbook.com Series (Exact Games)

7 Games Warriors Win Even (1 to 1)6 Games Warriors Win +120 (1.2 to 1)

7 Games Cavaliers Win +550 (5.5 to 1)

6 Games Cavaliers Win +750 (7.5 to 1)
Currently GSW are almost 4-1 favorites to win the series... down from almost even money (when I jumped on them with a nice bet) before game 4.

 
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BassNBrew said:
Cavs lose by 21. No one on the roster was within +/-5. JR -27, everyone else -15 or less.
JR has a couple good games and all you hear is ex New York knick, one mans trash, how could you give him away, etc. now that's jrs at the other end of his seesaw all that talk has gone away. Typical media.
A bad Finals doesn't change the fact that he was good for the Cavs all season and all playoffs up until the Finals.

It's painful to watch now, but I guarantee you there aren't any Cavs fans wishing they had Dion Waiters back.

 
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It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
Dude SWC rulez.

 
BassNBrew said:
Cavs lose by 21. No one on the roster was within +/-5. JR -27, everyone else -15 or less.
JR has a couple good games and all you hear is ex New York knick, one mans trash, how could you give him away, etc. now that's jrs at the other end of his seesaw all that talk has gone away. Typical media.
A bad Finals doesn't change the fact that he was good for the Cavs all season and all playoffs up until the Finals.

It's painful to watch now, but I guarantee you there aren't any Cavs fans wishing they had Dion Waiters back.
Your well-informed take and admirable perspective have no place in this conversation.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Hoss Style said:
Adam Silver just brought up AAU ball. I'm glad. It's the scummy underbelly of youth basketball. I like Adam Silver so far.
He got rid of Donald Sterling, is in favor of legalized and regulated sports betting, and negotiated a new TV deal that will raise the salary cap a gajillion dollars. There's a lot to like about his tenure so far.
Plus he's not a thug like David Stern.

 
It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
:hot:

 
It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
Take that to the bank brohans!

 
CLE was 6-for-45 on shots outside the lane last night.

Midrange: 2-for-18

Three-pointers: 4-for-27

Shot chart by Kirk Goldsberry

Ton of blanks just past the left block. That's usually a scoring area for LeBron and Mozgov.

If it seemed like Smith and Shumpert were missing everything last night, it's because they were.

 
Hoss Style said:
Cleveland seems drained. These 2 days off are going to do them good.
Although I'm sure they're tired, I think it would be a mistake to fall back on this narrative and ignore other factors. Like for example the fact that the Warriors are better at basketball than the Cavaliers.
Far better. I am still shocked it is 2-2.

Warriors played 85% of what they are capable of last night and still rolled to a 21 point drubbing. It get's ugly in Cali. Bout time for Steph to wake up now as well.

 
Lebron came back down to Earth last night. Carrying 4 other guys on his back for 3 games in 6 days caught up to him. Even as the best in the game, fatigue catches all. The overreactions in this thread are comical.

With 3 full days of rest, I'd bet on a triple double Sunday. At the least 30-35 points and 10 rebounds - The assists depend on the scrubs around him.

This is actually turning into an interesting series with a cool story line; Can Lebron win a title 1 on 5?

 
BassNBrew said:
Cavs lose by 21. No one on the roster was within +/-5. JR -27, everyone else -15 or less.
JR has a couple good games and all you hear is ex New York knick, one mans trash, how could you give him away, etc. now that's jrs at the other end of his seesaw all that talk has gone away. Typical media.
A bad Finals doesn't change the fact that he was good for the Cavs all season and all playoffs up until the Finals.

It's painful to watch now, but I guarantee you there aren't any Cavs fans wishing they had Dion Waiters back.
Jr vs. Waiters is tantamount to Bush vs. Clinton.

 
It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
Take that to the bank brohans!
gotta work on your game brohan you used a capital letter and punctuation you can take that to the bank bromigo

 
GoBirds said:
Brutal with James out. Why did they sign Marion and Perkins and Miller if they can't play any minutes?
Ask GM Lebron.
They brought those guys in for veteran leadership and they might have provided it in the locker room and practice. Obviously getting younger on the bench is going to be priority one, two and three this offseason though. .
 
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Hoss Style said:
Cleveland seems drained. These 2 days off are going to do them good.
Although I'm sure they're tired, I think it would be a mistake to fall back on this narrative and ignore other factors. Like for example the fact that the Warriors are better at basketball than the Cavaliers.
Far better. I am still shocked it is 2-2.

Warriors played 85% of what they are capable of last night and still rolled to a 21 point drubbing. It get's ugly in Cali. Bout time for Steph to wake up now as well.
You could argue the flip side. Cleveland played as bad as they could (see numbers above on shooting % outside paint). But they were still down 3 with 30 seconds left in the 3rd quarter. A curry 3, a bad shot by Lebron at end of Q3, and Lebron on the bench for 90 seconds and the game was over. But there is no question GSW is the better deeper team.

 
The fourth quarter again was Cleveland's downfall getting outscored by 15 points. LeBron truly has to play almost every single minute for them to win this series. Those first few minutes in the 4th quarter were almost unbearable to watch for Cleveland. He can't do everything himself all the time and unfortunately they don't have the depth to spell him some productive time. Marion, Perkins, Miller, Jones are all reasonable players with finals experience - I think Blatt has to take a chance and rotate them in for some reasonable time.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Hoss Style said:
Adam Silver just brought up AAU ball. I'm glad. It's the scummy underbelly of youth basketball. I like Adam Silver so far.
He got rid of Donald Sterling, is in favor of legalized and regulated sports betting, and negotiated a new TV deal that will raise the salary cap a gajillion dollars. There's a lot to like about his tenure so far.
Also the ref report for the last 2 minutes of the game.

 
Kerr was impressive after the game last night.

First he credits the GSW video coordinator with the idea of starting Iguodala.

Then he apologizes for lying to the press during the day about the lineup. He said telling the truth would put his team at a disadvantage, being cryptic about it would cause his Twitter feed to explode, so he lied and said there weren't going to be any lineup changes. Said he did it because the championship trophy is awarded for winning games, not morality.

 
CLE was 6-for-45 on shots outside the lane last night.

Midrange: 2-for-18

Three-pointers: 4-for-27

Shot chart by Kirk Goldsberry

Ton of blanks just past the left block. That's usually a scoring area for LeBron and Mozgov.

If it seemed like Smith and Shumpert were missing everything last night, it's because they were.
Warriors shoot poorly and lose by 2 and 5.

Cavs shoot poorly and lose by 21.
Be careful. You're on the verge of stating the extremely controversial opinion that GSW is better than CLE. You might want to step back from the ledge; you don't know what you're getting into.

 
Kerr was impressive after the game last night.

First he credits the GSW video coordinator with the idea of starting Iguodala.

Then he apologizes for lying to the press during the day about the lineup. He said telling the truth would put his team at a disadvantage, being cryptic about it would cause his Twitter feed to explode, so he lied and said there weren't going to be any lineup changes. Said he did it because the championship trophy is awarded for winning games, not morality.
Hopefully he shot all the media guys the finger afterwards.

 
No. 16 said:
SoBeDad said:
Donkey Derp said:
No. 16 said:
Warriors win with Curry and especially Klay not playing well.

Can't wait until Sunday.
AI deserves the series MVP if GS wins
Lebron could win as a player on the losing team.
My money is on LBJ.
Don't you think guarding James last year catapulted Kawhi Leonard to MVP? James can put up a 40 a night against Barnes/Green, but AI knows how to guard him (not stop him, guard him). James had his worst game this series which coincided with AI guarding him the most minutes so far. AI has also has a lot to do with LBJ's numbers declining in the 4th because AI has been the primary defender late in the game. Fatigue is obviously a factor late in the game, but James is going to have a tough time putting up ~40 if GS dedicates AI to him - and he was unbelievable game 4 doing so and still scoring.

 
No. 16 said:
SoBeDad said:
Donkey Derp said:
No. 16 said:
Warriors win with Curry and especially Klay not playing well.

Can't wait until Sunday.
AI deserves the series MVP if GS wins
Lebron could win as a player on the losing team.
My money is on LBJ.
Don't you think guarding James last year catapulted Kawhi Leonard to MVP? James can put up a 40 a night against Barnes/Green, but AI knows how to guard him (not stop him, guard him). James had his worst game this series which coincided with AI guarding him the most minutes so far. AI has also has a lot to do with LBJ's numbers declining in the 4th because AI has been the primary defender late in the game. Fatigue is obviously a factor late in the game, but James is going to have a tough time putting up ~40 if GS dedicates AI to him - and he was unbelievable game 4 doing so and still scoring.
I agree. There's still plenty of series left. Basically I think LBJ is the favorite if he has a couple more monster triple double games even if they lose.

The media has been non-stop about LBJ being the only player in the NBA that could carry this team the finals.

If Iggy brings LBJ back down to earth then it would have to go to a Dubs player if the Dubs win.

Cavs win and LBJ is a lock. So for me LBJ is the Finals MVP in 2 of the 3 scenarios. I hope LBJ doesn't score 40 again but with 2 days rest between games now I think he'll be beasting it.

 
No. 16 said:
SoBeDad said:
Donkey Derp said:
No. 16 said:
Warriors win with Curry and especially Klay not playing well.

Can't wait until Sunday.
AI deserves the series MVP if GS wins
Lebron could win as a player on the losing team.
My money is on LBJ.
Don't you think guarding James last year catapulted Kawhi Leonard to MVP? James can put up a 40 a night against Barnes/Green, but AI knows how to guard him (not stop him, guard him). James had his worst game this series which coincided with AI guarding him the most minutes so far. AI has also has a lot to do with LBJ's numbers declining in the 4th because AI has been the primary defender late in the game. Fatigue is obviously a factor late in the game, but James is going to have a tough time putting up ~40 if GS dedicates AI to him - and he was unbelievable game 4 doing so and still scoring.
I agree. There's still plenty of series left. Basically I think LBJ is the favorite if he has a couple more monster triple double games even if they lose.

The media has been non-stop about LBJ being the only player in the NBA that could carry this team the finals.

If Iggy brings LBJ back down to earth then it would have to go to a Dubs player if the Dubs win.

Cavs win and LBJ is a lock. So for me LBJ is the Finals MVP in 2 of the 3 scenarios. I hope LBJ doesn't score 40 again but with 2 days rest between games now I think he'll be beasting it.
That's different than what you implied above in quotes ;)

 

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