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Yeah, you're right.The love for Cleveland has been the only overreaction thus far.MAC_32 said:The game to game over reactions never disappoint.
Warriors in 4.
Yeah, you're right.The love for Cleveland has been the only overreaction thus far.MAC_32 said:The game to game over reactions never disappoint.
FYPYeah, you're right.The love for Cleveland has been the only overreaction thus far.MAC_32 said:The game to game over reactions never disappoint.
Warriors in 6.
You begged the question.Why is it nobody knows wtf 'begs the question' means?I think this hits the heart of the issue, and I'd take it a step further. Not only are the ISO sets Clev is running helpful on the defensive end, they may in fact be the most efficient sets offensively as well. I'm guessing the points per play suggest otherwise - like you point out the PNR involving Curry as the defender seemed successful (with the added bonus of forcing him to use energy on D), but does anyone really believe the Cleveland offense would be more efficient if Mozgov and James were getting more shots? I don't, even enough their eFGs are higher. I think more usage from those guys would hurt their efficiency.Which begs the question, is Clev really sacrificing offensive efficiency to slow the game down and give their players a bit of a blow to increase defensive efficiency, or are those benefits simply additional benefits of also running the most efficient and effective offensive set (ISO) given the personnel and circumstance?Whatever trade off CLE is making in offensive efficiency with those isos, they are making it back on the other end with better defense.
Two lectures during Philosophy 101. I'm goodWhy is it nobody knows wtf 'begs the question' means?I think this hits the heart of the issue, and I'd take it a step further. Not only are the ISO sets Clev is running helpful on the defensive end, they may in fact be the most efficient sets offensively as well. I'm guessing the points per play suggest otherwise - like you point out the PNR involving Curry as the defender seemed successful (with the added bonus of forcing him to use energy on D), but does anyone really believe the Cleveland offense would be more efficient if Mozgov and James were getting more shots? I don't, even enough their eFGs are higher. I think more usage from those guys would hurt their efficiency.Whatever trade off CLE is making in offensive efficiency with those isos, they are making it back on the other end with better defense.
Which begs the question, is Clev really sacrificing offensive efficiency to slow the game down and give their players a bit of a blow to increase defensive efficiency, or are those benefits simply additional benefits of also running the most efficient and effective offensive set (ISO) given the personnel and circumstance?
Maybe, not what I'd be betting right now though. I've said from the beginning this thing is going at least 6. At this point, if the Warriors take the series I think it'll be 7.FYPYeah, you're right.The love for Cleveland has been the only overreaction thus far.MAC_32 said:The game to game over reactions never disappoint.
Warriors in 6.
Sportsbook.com Series (Exact Games)Maybe, not what I'd be betting right now though. I've said from the beginning this thing is going at least 6. At this point, if the Warriors take the series I think it'll be 7.
Currently GSW are almost 4-1 favorites to win the series... down from almost even money (when I jumped on them with a nice bet) before game 4.7 Games Warriors Win Even (1 to 1)6 Games Warriors Win +120 (1.2 to 1)
7 Games Cavaliers Win +550 (5.5 to 1)
6 Games Cavaliers Win +750 (7.5 to 1)
A bad Finals doesn't change the fact that he was good for the Cavs all season and all playoffs up until the Finals.JR has a couple good games and all you hear is ex New York knick, one mans trash, how could you give him away, etc. now that's jrs at the other end of his seesaw all that talk has gone away. Typical media.BassNBrew said:Cavs lose by 21. No one on the roster was within +/-5. JR -27, everyone else -15 or less.
That still be a negative!The bus is in her backyard!bananafish said:At this rate Curly will be a Dubs fan by halftime.![]()
Dude SWC rulez.It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
he took.......IT outWHERE?????!!!!!Did anybody see Lebron's dong?
Your well-informed take and admirable perspective have no place in this conversation.A bad Finals doesn't change the fact that he was good for the Cavs all season and all playoffs up until the Finals.JR has a couple good games and all you hear is ex New York knick, one mans trash, how could you give him away, etc. now that's jrs at the other end of his seesaw all that talk has gone away. Typical media.BassNBrew said:Cavs lose by 21. No one on the roster was within +/-5. JR -27, everyone else -15 or less.
It's painful to watch now, but I guarantee you there aren't any Cavs fans wishing they had Dion Waiters back.
WHERE?????!!!!!he took.......IT outWHERE?????!!!!!Did anybody see Lebron's dong?
Plus he's not a thug like David Stern.Bruce Dickinson said:He got rid of Donald Sterling, is in favor of legalized and regulated sports betting, and negotiated a new TV deal that will raise the salary cap a gajillion dollars. There's a lot to like about his tenure so far.Hoss Style said:Adam Silver just brought up AAU ball. I'm glad. It's the scummy underbelly of youth basketball. I like Adam Silver so far.
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It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
Take that to the bank brohans!It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
Ask GM Lebron.GoBirds said:Brutal with James out. Why did they sign Marion and Perkins and Miller if they can't play any minutes?
Far better. I am still shocked it is 2-2.Although I'm sure they're tired, I think it would be a mistake to fall back on this narrative and ignore other factors. Like for example the fact that the Warriors are better at basketball than the Cavaliers.Hoss Style said:Cleveland seems drained. These 2 days off are going to do them good.
Next time LeBron sits, maybe Blatt will try Love and Irving on the court instead of stupidly keeping them nailed to the bench.Ask GM Lebron.GoBirds said:Brutal with James out. Why did they sign Marion and Perkins and Miller if they can't play any minutes?
LOL!!! No ####. Ya think?Next time LeBron sits, maybe Blatt will try Love and Irving on the court instead of stupidly keeping them nailed to the bench.Ask GM Lebron.GoBirds said:Brutal with James out. Why did they sign Marion and Perkins and Miller if they can't play any minutes?
Jr vs. Waiters is tantamount to Bush vs. Clinton.A bad Finals doesn't change the fact that he was good for the Cavs all season and all playoffs up until the Finals.JR has a couple good games and all you hear is ex New York knick, one mans trash, how could you give him away, etc. now that's jrs at the other end of his seesaw all that talk has gone away. Typical media.BassNBrew said:Cavs lose by 21. No one on the roster was within +/-5. JR -27, everyone else -15 or less.
It's painful to watch now, but I guarantee you there aren't any Cavs fans wishing they had Dion Waiters back.
gotta work on your game brohan you used a capital letter and punctuation you can take that to the bank bromigoTake that to the bank brohans!It baffles me to no end how Joey Crawford is still in the NBA. The fact that he's still chosen for NBA Finals games shows you that the NBA refereeing system is broken. His attitude and "for the camera" act is so ####### annoying and getting worse every year. He's basically the SWC of the NBA.
It was either that or a technical foul.
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They brought those guys in for veteran leadership and they might have provided it in the locker room and practice. Obviously getting younger on the bench is going to be priority one, two and three this offseason though. .Ask GM Lebron.GoBirds said:Brutal with James out. Why did they sign Marion and Perkins and Miller if they can't play any minutes?
You could argue the flip side. Cleveland played as bad as they could (see numbers above on shooting % outside paint). But they were still down 3 with 30 seconds left in the 3rd quarter. A curry 3, a bad shot by Lebron at end of Q3, and Lebron on the bench for 90 seconds and the game was over. But there is no question GSW is the better deeper team.Far better. I am still shocked it is 2-2.Although I'm sure they're tired, I think it would be a mistake to fall back on this narrative and ignore other factors. Like for example the fact that the Warriors are better at basketball than the Cavaliers.Hoss Style said:Cleveland seems drained. These 2 days off are going to do them good.
Warriors played 85% of what they are capable of last night and still rolled to a 21 point drubbing. It get's ugly in Cali. Bout time for Steph to wake up now as well.
Also the ref report for the last 2 minutes of the game.Bruce Dickinson said:He got rid of Donald Sterling, is in favor of legalized and regulated sports betting, and negotiated a new TV deal that will raise the salary cap a gajillion dollars. There's a lot to like about his tenure so far.Hoss Style said:Adam Silver just brought up AAU ball. I'm glad. It's the scummy underbelly of youth basketball. I like Adam Silver so far.
Warriors shoot poorly and lose by 2 and 5.CLE was 6-for-45 on shots outside the lane last night.
Midrange: 2-for-18
Three-pointers: 4-for-27
Shot chart by Kirk Goldsberry
Ton of blanks just past the left block. That's usually a scoring area for LeBron and Mozgov.
If it seemed like Smith and Shumpert were missing everything last night, it's because they were.
Be careful. You're on the verge of stating the extremely controversial opinion that GSW is better than CLE. You might want to step back from the ledge; you don't know what you're getting into.Warriors shoot poorly and lose by 2 and 5.CLE was 6-for-45 on shots outside the lane last night.
Midrange: 2-for-18
Three-pointers: 4-for-27
Shot chart by Kirk Goldsberry
Ton of blanks just past the left block. That's usually a scoring area for LeBron and Mozgov.
If it seemed like Smith and Shumpert were missing everything last night, it's because they were.
Cavs shoot poorly and lose by 21.
Hopefully he shot all the media guys the finger afterwards.Kerr was impressive after the game last night.
First he credits the GSW video coordinator with the idea of starting Iguodala.
Then he apologizes for lying to the press during the day about the lineup. He said telling the truth would put his team at a disadvantage, being cryptic about it would cause his Twitter feed to explode, so he lied and said there weren't going to be any lineup changes. Said he did it because the championship trophy is awarded for winning games, not morality.
Don't you think guarding James last year catapulted Kawhi Leonard to MVP? James can put up a 40 a night against Barnes/Green, but AI knows how to guard him (not stop him, guard him). James had his worst game this series which coincided with AI guarding him the most minutes so far. AI has also has a lot to do with LBJ's numbers declining in the 4th because AI has been the primary defender late in the game. Fatigue is obviously a factor late in the game, but James is going to have a tough time putting up ~40 if GS dedicates AI to him - and he was unbelievable game 4 doing so and still scoring.No. 16 said:My money is on LBJ.SoBeDad said:Lebron could win as a player on the losing team.Donkey Derp said:AI deserves the series MVP if GS winsNo. 16 said:Warriors win with Curry and especially Klay not playing well.
Can't wait until Sunday.
I agree. There's still plenty of series left. Basically I think LBJ is the favorite if he has a couple more monster triple double games even if they lose.Don't you think guarding James last year catapulted Kawhi Leonard to MVP? James can put up a 40 a night against Barnes/Green, but AI knows how to guard him (not stop him, guard him). James had his worst game this series which coincided with AI guarding him the most minutes so far. AI has also has a lot to do with LBJ's numbers declining in the 4th because AI has been the primary defender late in the game. Fatigue is obviously a factor late in the game, but James is going to have a tough time putting up ~40 if GS dedicates AI to him - and he was unbelievable game 4 doing so and still scoring.No. 16 said:My money is on LBJ.SoBeDad said:Lebron could win as a player on the losing team.Donkey Derp said:AI deserves the series MVP if GS winsNo. 16 said:Warriors win with Curry and especially Klay not playing well.
Can't wait until Sunday.
That's different than what you implied above in quotesI agree. There's still plenty of series left. Basically I think LBJ is the favorite if he has a couple more monster triple double games even if they lose.Don't you think guarding James last year catapulted Kawhi Leonard to MVP? James can put up a 40 a night against Barnes/Green, but AI knows how to guard him (not stop him, guard him). James had his worst game this series which coincided with AI guarding him the most minutes so far. AI has also has a lot to do with LBJ's numbers declining in the 4th because AI has been the primary defender late in the game. Fatigue is obviously a factor late in the game, but James is going to have a tough time putting up ~40 if GS dedicates AI to him - and he was unbelievable game 4 doing so and still scoring.No. 16 said:My money is on LBJ.SoBeDad said:Lebron could win as a player on the losing team.Donkey Derp said:AI deserves the series MVP if GS winsNo. 16 said:Warriors win with Curry and especially Klay not playing well.
Can't wait until Sunday.
The media has been non-stop about LBJ being the only player in the NBA that could carry this team the finals.
If Iggy brings LBJ back down to earth then it would have to go to a Dubs player if the Dubs win.
Cavs win and LBJ is a lock. So for me LBJ is the Finals MVP in 2 of the 3 scenarios. I hope LBJ doesn't score 40 again but with 2 days rest between games now I think he'll be beasting it.
No reason to abandon your (homer) pick as long as it's still mathematically possible.Still Cavs in 6.