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The latter, but actually but Hank was refering to (what I was refering to) the use of the acronym WR in the original post
And maybe I just :whoosh: ed myself on your post...
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And maybe I just :whoosh: ed myself on your post...
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Any thoughts from the shark mock? As I posted there:
Titans received no comp picks so we're stuck with just the original, minus the 7th. Only 6 picks and late picks at that, it could be a relatively boring day.
Tennessee was mentioned as a possible trading partner for Jarvis Landry. https://247sports.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/Bolt/Titans-mentioned-as-potential-team-to-trade-for-Jarvis-Landry-115458416 I think that's completely wrong. They don't have the assets to trade for him, he costs too much, and we already have the dolphin receiver who serves a similar role and is cheaper (Mathews) plus with Davis and Taylor, wr isn't a need really, at least not that severe to pay that much.
If JRob, Vrabel, and lafleur decide they need a veteran wr, I'd rather they sign Jordan Matthews (thereby causing confusion throughout the year) or bring Kendall wright back. If lafleur lobbies for him, Watkins could be an exciting fit too, but that's only if lafleur really wants him.
I'd really like McKinnon in Tennessee as the receiving back. He can back up Henry well enough and provides a skillset we haven't seen from Derrick yet.
The primary need this off season is in the secondary. Trumaine Johnson would be welcome but I don't think we break the bank for him. Kyle Fuller, Patrick Robinson, and nickel robey-Coleman are less expensive options who could help. Fuller would be my choice if reasonable.
We also need a better backup QB. Savage isn't great by any stretch but he's better than Cassell. I'd prefer Chad henne or Derek Anderson. But maybe just draft a guy?
Despite not having many picks, I'm pretty happy with Isaiah Wynn, G/C/OT, Georgia, Dorance Armstrong, DE/OLB, Kansas, and Duke Dawson, CB, Florida. These guys aren't going to get a lot if excitement but they will be good fits imo.
For the rest of the draft, I'd love to walk away with ( from those who could be there at each pick)
Round 4, Pick 125 - Mike white, WKU QB
Round 5, Pick 162 - Akrum Wadley, Iowa RB
Round 6, Pick 199 - best ol for depth, preferably interior
Titans received no comp picks so we're stuck with just the original, minus the 7th. Only 6 picks and late picks at that, it could be a relatively boring day.
Tennessee was mentioned as a possible trading partner for Jarvis Landry. https://247sports.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/Bolt/Titans-mentioned-as-potential-team-to-trade-for-Jarvis-Landry-115458416 I think that's completely wrong. They don't have the assets to trade for him, he costs too much, and we already have the dolphin receiver who serves a similar role and is cheaper (Mathews) plus with Davis and Taylor, wr isn't a need really, at least not that severe to pay that much.
If JRob, Vrabel, and lafleur decide they need a veteran wr, I'd rather they sign Jordan Matthews (thereby causing confusion throughout the year) or bring Kendall wright back. If lafleur lobbies for him, Watkins could be an exciting fit too, but that's only if lafleur really wants him.
I'd really like McKinnon in Tennessee as the receiving back. He can back up Henry well enough and provides a skillset we haven't seen from Derrick yet.
The primary need this off season is in the secondary. Trumaine Johnson would be welcome but I don't think we break the bank for him. Kyle Fuller, Patrick Robinson, and nickel robey-Coleman are less expensive options who could help. Fuller would be my choice if reasonable.
We also need a better backup QB. Savage isn't great by any stretch but he's better than Cassell. I'd prefer Chad henne or Derek Anderson. But maybe just draft a guy?
Despite not having many picks, I'm pretty happy with Isaiah Wynn, G/C/OT, Georgia, Dorance Armstrong, DE/OLB, Kansas, and Duke Dawson, CB, Florida. These guys aren't going to get a lot if excitement but they will be good fits imo.
For the rest of the draft, I'd love to walk away with ( from those who could be there at each pick)
Round 4, Pick 125 - Mike white, WKU QB
Round 5, Pick 162 - Akrum Wadley, Iowa RB
Round 6, Pick 199 - best ol for depth, preferably interior
I don't see secondary as a primary need. Sims has done well or fine most games. Ryan and Adoree are a nice pair. Byard made all pro. I'm not a fan of Cyprien and he lost a lot when lebeau left since most DCs are not in favor of a weak cover SS regardless of how well they tackle. They still have DaNorris Searcy though and he's started plenty in the NFL and been fine. I still say Daimion Stafford was fine depth and should have stayed and Cyprien wasn't necessary. Stafford is a free agent and cheap. Riley showed me something and I like a CB/S combo as the last guy on the depth chart. Kalan Reed has now learned safety and CB too but has almost no experience and is still thin as a twig.
I love Denzel as a prospect and wish I could say what I think of him after seeing him play. It's ridiculous that he didn't play in 2017. Now, however, we gotta go back a year. It was absurd that he was undrafted. Google him, watch youtube, guy was a name safety in college for years. Will whomever they draft be better than Denzel? It's pointless to draft someone that Denzel will beat out.
I like Jeremy Boykins and am glad he returned. I don't care if he's a practice squad guy for another year. A superb athlete, that could probably play any sport, learning the NFL secondary positions. Ya just don't find 6-2 6-3 CBs, nevermind athletic ones. He is exactly what I want on the practice squad. He switched from S to CB last preseason amidst games and was flawless. He made progress to be impressive against 3rd stringers. He's gotta improve, goal is first stringers, but yeah let's see what camp and another year on the PS does. Year three could be like they won the lottery with him or he could never pan out.
One other thing that's not widely talked about. Mr All Pro made most of his plays as a SS and is still kind of iffy as an outfielder. In two years, he has roughly the same amount of snaps as a SS as he does FS. Remember Rashad Johnson was the outfielder his rookie year and the Titans played 3 safeties most of the time. It wouldn't be crazy to have the new staff (especially the older experienced Ohio State guy or former Ravens guy) say he's a SS not a FS. Then suddenly they need a starting FS.
So who is going to make this team?
You've got name free agent CBs and one would. Brice McCain was yuck and definitely needs replacing. A name free agent would take a primary spot and knock guys down a peg. Sims as 4th would be sweet depth.
Duke Dawson is 12th-14th CB and called a slot corner. He'll never beat out Ryan. I guess he slides into 3rd or 4th CB with Sims being the other. That's fine, still need to replace McCain.
For me it goes back to safety and that there is unusual height there this year in the draft. I know Titans fans like Cyprien and that I don't is a disagreement but if the right guy falls, I think they have to. I am oh so curious to see how Vrabel thinks of him.
On the DL, or specifically edge, they're old. If you think a 4-3 makes Morgan a DE again then they need OLB. He and Orakpo are older players and it's probably a need. Erik Walden plays older than them although I think they're about the same age. DaQuan Jones (likely re-sign) was better inside than end and they truly have little opposite Casey. If Casey becomes more of an interior player then they have two holes at DE (or Morgan and one hole). I strongly think Edge is their biggest need.
We saw what a star talent at CB can possibly be and what a star talent at FS is. Man it's been a long time since the Freak played. Even Vandenbosch having a top year. They so lack a stud on the DL that'll terrorize a QB. Casey is a gem but largely in the rushing game and swallowing up offensive linemen. He's no Reggie White, Strahan type. I think they could actually use two studs, not even just one.
Jerry Reese is the best ever at drafting DL in my opinion and he is without a team. I don't understand why it's unheard of in the NFL world for some team to employ him for the spring to get some stud DL. I'd also consider him one of the better GMs at drafting no name backup RBs. The Titans could totally use him as a consultant for this draft. Reese is one of the best because he has (top few rounds) like a 70% success rate.
Most GMs are less than 50% with their DL draftees. If JRob is going after DL, I don't wanna find out how he'll do. Austin Johnson isn't a good nose tackle and is soso at end. The waiver pickup DL were all poor and barely played. I'm not a fan of Erik Walden. Drafting and keeping Dodd all this time. Remember Dodd was not a high school player and only played a little more than a year in college. That was the type that JRob thought could be converted to OLB. That's a bad decision. Carraway, long time player in college, former high school LB, yeah he probably can convert and is worth a 7th rounder or whatever. Quite frankly, I give JRob an awful success rate at drafting DL- even if it's that two I mentioned were LBs, well then why wasn't anyone evaluated as being good enough? Also, I'm not letting him skate on the Pats having a regular starter/reserve from Vanderbilt. A UDFA came from where the Titans entire staff went to the pro day. They interviewed him and everything and he wasn't extended an offer.
The curious thing that no one talks about is JRob has fired half his personnel staff three times now. When he arrived, after year one, and after year two. He might need Reese to correct something with his thinking on hiring, training, and all that. It's not normal to have that turnover every year and we've been told they are "his guys" twice now. I would fire whomever let Adam Butler go to the Pats. Probably whoever graded Dodd and Austin as special prospects who the Titans claimed fell to them. I might say ya made a mistake and it's part of football and move on. I don't get JRob as a boss here at all. Continuity is very important in the scouting personnel world and many work for 20+ years with a team. Last year's notes, other year's notes...it all provides a point of reference and discussion. It also gives the GM comfort on draft day to say "gimme soandso's notes" because he knows that personnel guy has the writeup he needs to make a decision. It doesn't have to be Reese but obviously I prefer him due to his DL success. I don't have to know all the inner office stuff at the Titans facility. I think if any company in the US fired half their employees(in a department?) three years straight, then we'd all wind up with a "hmmm something's not right" thought. JRob needs an advisor or maybe Moustache needs to be that guy to him. Something is funky
I love Denzel as a prospect and wish I could say what I think of him after seeing him play. It's ridiculous that he didn't play in 2017. Now, however, we gotta go back a year. It was absurd that he was undrafted. Google him, watch youtube, guy was a name safety in college for years. Will whomever they draft be better than Denzel? It's pointless to draft someone that Denzel will beat out.
I like Jeremy Boykins and am glad he returned. I don't care if he's a practice squad guy for another year. A superb athlete, that could probably play any sport, learning the NFL secondary positions. Ya just don't find 6-2 6-3 CBs, nevermind athletic ones. He is exactly what I want on the practice squad. He switched from S to CB last preseason amidst games and was flawless. He made progress to be impressive against 3rd stringers. He's gotta improve, goal is first stringers, but yeah let's see what camp and another year on the PS does. Year three could be like they won the lottery with him or he could never pan out.
One other thing that's not widely talked about. Mr All Pro made most of his plays as a SS and is still kind of iffy as an outfielder. In two years, he has roughly the same amount of snaps as a SS as he does FS. Remember Rashad Johnson was the outfielder his rookie year and the Titans played 3 safeties most of the time. It wouldn't be crazy to have the new staff (especially the older experienced Ohio State guy or former Ravens guy) say he's a SS not a FS. Then suddenly they need a starting FS.
So who is going to make this team?
You've got name free agent CBs and one would. Brice McCain was yuck and definitely needs replacing. A name free agent would take a primary spot and knock guys down a peg. Sims as 4th would be sweet depth.
Duke Dawson is 12th-14th CB and called a slot corner. He'll never beat out Ryan. I guess he slides into 3rd or 4th CB with Sims being the other. That's fine, still need to replace McCain.
For me it goes back to safety and that there is unusual height there this year in the draft. I know Titans fans like Cyprien and that I don't is a disagreement but if the right guy falls, I think they have to. I am oh so curious to see how Vrabel thinks of him.
On the DL, or specifically edge, they're old. If you think a 4-3 makes Morgan a DE again then they need OLB. He and Orakpo are older players and it's probably a need. Erik Walden plays older than them although I think they're about the same age. DaQuan Jones (likely re-sign) was better inside than end and they truly have little opposite Casey. If Casey becomes more of an interior player then they have two holes at DE (or Morgan and one hole). I strongly think Edge is their biggest need.
We saw what a star talent at CB can possibly be and what a star talent at FS is. Man it's been a long time since the Freak played. Even Vandenbosch having a top year. They so lack a stud on the DL that'll terrorize a QB. Casey is a gem but largely in the rushing game and swallowing up offensive linemen. He's no Reggie White, Strahan type. I think they could actually use two studs, not even just one.
Jerry Reese is the best ever at drafting DL in my opinion and he is without a team. I don't understand why it's unheard of in the NFL world for some team to employ him for the spring to get some stud DL. I'd also consider him one of the better GMs at drafting no name backup RBs. The Titans could totally use him as a consultant for this draft. Reese is one of the best because he has (top few rounds) like a 70% success rate.
Most GMs are less than 50% with their DL draftees. If JRob is going after DL, I don't wanna find out how he'll do. Austin Johnson isn't a good nose tackle and is soso at end. The waiver pickup DL were all poor and barely played. I'm not a fan of Erik Walden. Drafting and keeping Dodd all this time. Remember Dodd was not a high school player and only played a little more than a year in college. That was the type that JRob thought could be converted to OLB. That's a bad decision. Carraway, long time player in college, former high school LB, yeah he probably can convert and is worth a 7th rounder or whatever. Quite frankly, I give JRob an awful success rate at drafting DL- even if it's that two I mentioned were LBs, well then why wasn't anyone evaluated as being good enough? Also, I'm not letting him skate on the Pats having a regular starter/reserve from Vanderbilt. A UDFA came from where the Titans entire staff went to the pro day. They interviewed him and everything and he wasn't extended an offer.
The curious thing that no one talks about is JRob has fired half his personnel staff three times now. When he arrived, after year one, and after year two. He might need Reese to correct something with his thinking on hiring, training, and all that. It's not normal to have that turnover every year and we've been told they are "his guys" twice now. I would fire whomever let Adam Butler go to the Pats. Probably whoever graded Dodd and Austin as special prospects who the Titans claimed fell to them. I might say ya made a mistake and it's part of football and move on. I don't get JRob as a boss here at all. Continuity is very important in the scouting personnel world and many work for 20+ years with a team. Last year's notes, other year's notes...it all provides a point of reference and discussion. It also gives the GM comfort on draft day to say "gimme soandso's notes" because he knows that personnel guy has the writeup he needs to make a decision. It doesn't have to be Reese but obviously I prefer him due to his DL success. I don't have to know all the inner office stuff at the Titans facility. I think if any company in the US fired half their employees(in a department?) three years straight, then we'd all wind up with a "hmmm something's not right" thought. JRob needs an advisor or maybe Moustache needs to be that guy to him. Something is funky
My thinking on drafting a G is hypocritical. I want the top free agent. I want plug N play. I want the top prospect (or one of the best) but I don't want to wait while they adjust to the NFL game. I'm really leery of waiting while they learn. Chance Warmack's oops moments still bug me. If we assume Conklin has any setback whatsoever, then I want a veteran starting next to Kelly. I really don't like the idea of rookie G and backup T on the right. (We will know by the draft) If Kline is re-signed, then maybe I'm OK with waiting for a rookie to learn. Kline can cover on bad days and would be fine depth. See a top G prospect next to Conklin would be wonderful, but I'm hypocritical and don't want it for the start of 2018.
Our QB is fragile and I think we gotta admit that. When Mularkey let out all the injuries he played through, it didn't make me think warrior. It made me think geesh you're "always" hurt then. Year N+2 away from a serious leg injury is usually more normal so maybe Mariota is OK and not fragile, we'll see, but I think ya go into this offseason planning on him being fragile and keeping that in mind when considering linemen and backup QBs
Our QB is fragile and I think we gotta admit that. When Mularkey let out all the injuries he played through, it didn't make me think warrior. It made me think geesh you're "always" hurt then. Year N+2 away from a serious leg injury is usually more normal so maybe Mariota is OK and not fragile, we'll see, but I think ya go into this offseason planning on him being fragile and keeping that in mind when considering linemen and backup QBs
msommer
Footballguy
I'm with Bri on Cyprien - let him go, let Byard play SS that can cover in addition to tackle and get a real FS. I don't think that's Searcy, but he would be a good back up
Ryan/Adoree/???/Sims+ the existing players on roster seems ok to me, i.e. get someone to push Adoree/Ryan. If there is some young guy that has been miscast on his previous team that fits with Vrabel's D, go get him at a reasonable price.
Reese as a consultant? Why not - if it can improve the results of the draft I'm all for it, but will JRob's ego allow for it
We still need a vet QB as backup that is not an auto loss (bibi Cassel), particularly if Mariota is on the fragile side.
And finally, ensuring he stays upright becomes more important so give me a beast at G, and/or backup RT
Ryan/Adoree/???/Sims+ the existing players on roster seems ok to me, i.e. get someone to push Adoree/Ryan. If there is some young guy that has been miscast on his previous team that fits with Vrabel's D, go get him at a reasonable price.
Reese as a consultant? Why not - if it can improve the results of the draft I'm all for it, but will JRob's ego allow for it
We still need a vet QB as backup that is not an auto loss (bibi Cassel), particularly if Mariota is on the fragile side.
And finally, ensuring he stays upright becomes more important so give me a beast at G, and/or backup RT
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I'll pretty much agree with everything else but I don't see Ryan, Jackson and the rest as good enough to consistently beat good QBs. Sure they can beat the Alex Smith types, but if they want a legitimate chance at a super bowl they must get better. I know when I'm watching the team I'm constantly hoping for the best but always expecting the opposing receivers to make a big play. Maybe that's pessimism but the stats seem to bear it out.
Adoree likely will improve but I'm not ready to call him a shut down corner, or really even capable of consistently keeping top receivers in check. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong there. I like Ryan but he's not an outside corner.
The Titans were pretty darn good against the run. Both from total yards and average per carry. But they're bottom ten against the pass. No team was thrown on more last year (attempts). That's not because the Titans always had a lead, it's because it was their weakness. Yet despite being thrown on over 600 times, they netted 12 interceptions. 8 of which were Byard. Great for him, but when none of your corners get more than 1 int in the season, that indicates a problem imo. Ryan and Jackson both got none.
You might disagree with the ranking but bleacher report lists Jackson as the 59th best outside corner, Sims as the 73rd. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754252-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-outside-cornerbacks-of-2017-season (Ryan is ranked 15th in the slot, McCain is their lowest rated corner as the 35th slot corner.)
I hope you're right that they will improve enough as a group to make this not a glaring need, but the stats sure don't look good.
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@Bri - fair point about Dawson being a slot corner, at that point it was just about taking BPA.
I didn't like the value at corner for either the first or second round picks. Maybe donte or JC Jackson in the 2nd could work but Hughes or Oliver seem a reach in the first.
Maybe they need to pony up for an outside guy to pair with Adoree in free agency? In hindsight I would have loved it they had acquired Marcus Peters from KC, but must teams would probably say the same thing.
I didn't like the value at corner for either the first or second round picks. Maybe donte or JC Jackson in the 2nd could work but Hughes or Oliver seem a reach in the first.
Maybe they need to pony up for an outside guy to pair with Adoree in free agency? In hindsight I would have loved it they had acquired Marcus Peters from KC, but must teams would probably say the same thing.
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Just saw Ryan at 10m. He's not worth 10m the level he was playing at. cap savings 7.7m to cut him
Cutting Cyprien saves 4m
Cutting Sylvester Williams saves another 3
Renegotiating Murray could save up to 3, cutting him saves 6
Cutting Cassel saves 2.5
There's easily another 15 to get from trimming the roster need be
Mariota needs an extension, Kline should be resigned. Williamson probably also. DaQuan Jones Maybe? Schwenke?
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the BR ratings are garbage.
Jackson had bad games and some excellent ones. Whatever average is seems reasonable. If it's a little below, fine. He wasn't worse than almost every NFL starter (64).
McCain was horrible and there was talk of him being cut. In prior years (with Pitt and Ten) he was poor outside and curiously strong in the slot. Once the Titans signed Ryan to cover the slot, we all saw it coming that McCain was about setup to fail. He couldn't hack it outside. I doubt there's a game thread here (when he was active) that doesn't contain someone complaining about McCain. There's no way he's 35th at anything.
Ryan was very good, one of the best. TY was shut way down, twice. That's gotta be way better than most teams did covering TY. When they played the Hawks, he was still very much just in the slot. We were talking how they should move him around but they wanted to be sure one spot was locked down. Doug Baldwin owned Adoree that day. Although he usually plays in the slot, the Hawks just moved him outside and let him beat up on the rook. Jarvis Landry had to work for it. It was totally fine. I wanna say he got like a dozen passes and caught six for 50. Definitely not a bad game, lean toward "pretty good." If you look week in week out, the slots didn't do much against the Titans. Amendola destroyed Ryan late in the year, worst game by far....15 weeks of "well signing him fixed that problem." I can't imagine any stats where TY lights up the league or this guy or that guy, then is pedestrian against the Titans, so Ryan winds up being 15th or average.
I only remember one time Sims got burned. I was very impressed with his mindset. He became a baseball reliever or backup QB- sitting the whole game and then boom, you're in an important spot. Even Riley in this regard. I'm not a fan of his but he came off the sideline cold and did OK a few times.
I haven't checked lately but last I did, PFF had the Titans outside corners below average and Ryan was one of the better ones. This matches my feelings. I've seen some atrocious cornerback play as a Titans fan. This wasn't that.
I am extremely comfortable with Adoree improving and lookout NFL. I am comfortable with Sims.
IIRC Tye Smith was PFFs top rated Titans corner some weeks. Mr Nobody did play pretty well and I think he even had an INT or two. I don't know where he stands for 2018 but I like any nobody that wins a spot on the practice field and game field. Mularkey would somehow have him inactive after playing well so he's kind of a hard one to gauge. He's young. I think Sims' age. However ya think of him, it's positive and about depth.
The Titans allowed a 300 yard game to Jimmy G and it seemed everyone did. Russel Wilson is wonderful, no shame there. Brady, same. I have no prob with any of that. Tom Savage threw for 300 and yeah it bugs me but geesh they knew us well. Miller, Ellington, and someone else got open deep. They set the bait, we fell for it, and meh we won anyway. That right there is not a bad season.
When you go down to 250 yard games then it starts to look like the Titans were an inviting pass D. So what. Once I concede that they're average to below average and young I sort of expect a bad one here.
The Titans had the least pass attempts against them and fourth most rush attempts. (Now I'm looking at these stats crosseyed, if wrong, the sentiment is still the same) I will forever tell you that this is because of a weak NT. Add in a 90 year old ILB and offenses just have to try. Woodyard played probably the best season of his career but it's the only way I can rationalize teams trying so hard to run against a known good run D.
Their horrible offense had the 4th least # of plays. That's hard for a D including corners running around all that time.
Morgan and Orakpo may have halfway similar stats because they got through a time or two but I didn't think they were imposing like in 2016 until near the end of the season. I'm worried they each hit an old point and unsure what impact the DE ahead of them impacts their play.
The Titans D is a good solid team. They had no playmakers though. If you wanna call Byard one when the ball falls into his hands, fine but at least consider he's generally deep when this happens. I believe Adoree will be a playmaker this year or next. They gotta get an impact outside rusher- I don't wholly care how or whether it's OLB or DE but someone that makes QBs nervous. The absence of a star is really prevalent. I think when one arrives, it'll be more obvious that they have a real nice supporting cast. It might even wind up making Casey an impact player. Right now teams can run away and deal with him sufficiently.
I think this started with your draft talk Oz. For the most part, I'm fine with anyone that'll make the team in this secondary. If Vrabel is gonna play Ryan outside and we're guaranteed Adoree and Ryan are starting, I'm not sure that I want them to spend a first round on a backup. If the first or second rounder will start opposite Adoree, then OK. This is like my offseason them. The Titans don't stink anymore. They no longer can draft whoever and expect them to make the team. Show me a path to a drafted guy making the team and I'm good with it. I'm not adverse to a corner.
Wide Receivers may put my viewpoint best in perspective. Most players in this draft have me thinking: Are you gonna beat out Decker or Taywan? There's no guarantee they keep five but what round is worth a Tajae Sharpe upgrade? And will they be? Because as a fifth WR, I kind of like that he has a season of starting experience. Further, he made me smile when he was quoted as saying he's always started no matter where he's played. Yep, that's true and I like that spunky mindset from a 5th. Wanna go further? Jennings can play RB, safety, corner, and special teams. If they keep a sixth, good luck being more useful than that.
My brain is in upgrade mode. Not you, not at all, but most Titans fans are acting like we still stink and anyone will make the team
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/opp.htm
We must be looking at different things regarding the breakdown of plays against.
I want to agree with you about Ryan. I do remember him making a few good plays, but also giving up more than I'd like. Maybe that expectation was too much.
It's funny though, the Titans didn't really play against the elite QBs last year except Brady in the playoffs, Wilson who had a good game, Ben who tossed 4TDs, and Goff went over 300 with 4TD. I guess you could put garapalo in that category, and Watson who had 283 with another 4TD day.
I don't think the Titans are bad, I think they're a rising team with playmakers on offense and a mostly good defense. I just see their corners as currently below average, which will be their Achilles's heel until it improves. Best way to improve would be to add a quality outside corner to pair with Jackson, leave Ryan in the slot.
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I was looking at PFR's Titans page, defense or opponent. Each individual stat makes total sense to me when they list 32 thru 1. When it's listed horizontally, sometimes I have to think "wait 32nd is awful or is that best? You wanna be low or high?" and...I just get crosseyed sometimes with those.
We agree on below average, it's just those BR rankings were awful.
Adoree was a special athlete that happens to play CB. There were a few 'good right away' rookie CBs last year but most struggled as expected. You're convincing me they need another top end CB. I guess they'll have to expect a rookie year of struggles then be OK second year.
I still think it's ideal to get an Edge but (I don't think this one's mocks have shaken out just yet) usually you're not getting a star DE where they pick so it'd probably need to be OLB and Morgan move up. I'm really adamant that they lack a star and I'd also be OK with them giving up some draft stock to trade up and get one. I guess in this scenario I want the G in free agency, and the draft to go OLB, CB.
One sidenote- **** Lebeau did not believe in doubling. Never had it when he was a player and never allowed it when he was a coach. I love this as a presentation but in games I don't. It would be interesting to see a big savvy WR like Deandre get doubled and if Adoree can relax a little and use his athleticism moreso than "pressing" mentally about having to stop a stud by himself. See I think, as much as logistical football reasons, doubling helps corners mentally. A lot of announcers use the phrase "out on an island" and the mental aspect suits this too.
We agree on below average, it's just those BR rankings were awful.
Adoree was a special athlete that happens to play CB. There were a few 'good right away' rookie CBs last year but most struggled as expected. You're convincing me they need another top end CB. I guess they'll have to expect a rookie year of struggles then be OK second year.
I still think it's ideal to get an Edge but (I don't think this one's mocks have shaken out just yet) usually you're not getting a star DE where they pick so it'd probably need to be OLB and Morgan move up. I'm really adamant that they lack a star and I'd also be OK with them giving up some draft stock to trade up and get one. I guess in this scenario I want the G in free agency, and the draft to go OLB, CB.
One sidenote- **** Lebeau did not believe in doubling. Never had it when he was a player and never allowed it when he was a coach. I love this as a presentation but in games I don't. It would be interesting to see a big savvy WR like Deandre get doubled and if Adoree can relax a little and use his athleticism moreso than "pressing" mentally about having to stop a stud by himself. See I think, as much as logistical football reasons, doubling helps corners mentally. A lot of announcers use the phrase "out on an island" and the mental aspect suits this too.
I can't get a straight answer from Cameron Wolfe and my friends say he's wrong. Cameron and ESPN state that the Titans used 98% of their cap and the NFLPA is their source. I asked what was going on because Spotrac has them like 30 mil under and every site pretty much fell in line with spotrac all year. Was there bonuses? 29,30 mil of bonuses (unexpected, unanticipated bonuses) would be way too high.
I'm very hmmmm here
I do not begrudge ESPN or Cam as a source at all, very much respect them. Cam is young but very honest and open about how he gets things and a real good sharer type on social media too. I don't find the same stats at NFLPA's media site. I login and it's near spotrac's #.
The only way I can rationalize this is cuts and bonuses. Cut Williams and there's 7mil or some high number(I forget). Cassel is probably 2 or 3. I only see maybe 2-3 cuts that look possible. These would maybe be shared with the player and NFLPA but I don't think they have to announce it til the last day. I think this was allowed in the last CBA negotiation and makes total sense. If ya know you'll cut a guy, tell him, don't make him wait two months. The reason to hold on is simply looking for trade partners so there's no advantage to announcing a cut early.
ESPN had a segment with Schefter on and I was doing other things so I didn't listen well. They did post a graphic and the Titans were in the list at 98% spending just like Cam said.
I'll tell ya every reporter is digging, including Cam, but no one has an answer yet. Again, it's not in their interest to announce a cut so I don't know that they'll announce it.
I don't disagree but the market yields a pretty high number so if they got a replacement he'd probably be paid the same. Vrabel will probably adore the corner that plays inside outside, loves BB and is clearly a BB student, and always says the right thing in typical Pats fashion. We don't even really know what a "Vrabel guy" is but I feel pretty confident that Ryan is gonna meet whatever the criteria is.
One thing that isn't often said is Ryan is extremely intelligent. I saw a video of him speaking about building something for stray dogs and my goodness did he know all these physics theories and when he was questioned, he sounded like a professor when discussing the economical impact of his hopeful project. My guess is when he does the BB say "the right thing and give them nothing" dance, he just seems ordinary because it's so rehearsed. He's one smart dude though.
It's never really been clear how NFL coaches value intellect but I'd like to think that's in his favor. We really only discuss dopey players. The Titans had a borderline genius at CB years ago and there were NFL segments about him in 2017. Doctor? Lab specialist inventor type? I forget. One of the things I often thought while watching was that I had no idea he was so smart.
Vrabel wants a FB, can't find them, joked "where do I get one?"
He said can't comment on Fowler. JRob said Fowler was a good player for us when he was here
(can't hear) Jrob said no he did not approve of Fowler's release and was an issue within the organization (which I told y'all months ago)
Q about "where do I find one" Vrabel called the FBs fossils and said he doesn't see many good ones in college.
do you have to have a FB?
Absolutely. It's as essential as the QB. The Titans will have a FB if we have to make one.
NFL has shifted away, evolution of the game Q
The Patriots use one. The Seahawks use one. Don't the Giants use one? Do the Giants? (can't hear) Look my teams will always have a FB I played FB. Put another way, whenever two of the best teams in the game do something well, I'll do that. Whatever it is. You find me a Superbowl champ that hasn't had a fullback and then maybe I'll consider us not having a FB.
Cassel?
I played with Matt. We're going to have some personal discussions
will he be back?
Sorry, we're gonna have some personal discussions
What about DeMarco?
Look I'll tell you what I wrote in my letter to the team and which I said many times over the phone
I thought you werent allowed to contact players now?
The NFL affords me the chance to have I think it's five minutes JRob- Maybe ten. Vrabel- to have a brief, hello I'm the new coach conversation with them
Back to what you said?
I told everyone that you're a member of this team until you're not a member of this team. Don't go writing a story on that. DeMarco is my guy. Henry is my guy. They're all my guys
Did anyone stand out to you as you've been reviewing film and getting ready for this draft?
Many did. There are a number of players that I'm not ashamed to admit are much better than I thought
Can you give an example?
JRob- this isn't the time of year for that. We need to be careful to not show our plan
You said you'd make a FB and mentioned DeMarco and Henry. Is it obvious to you that DeMarco is a more complete back and Henry needs to improve on some things?
muttering, muttering discussion- Henry is Henry, DeMarco is DeMarco. We're not gonna ask one player to be like another but look to get the best out of each player. I'll tell ya one guy I can't get over- David Fluellen. He's excellent, multifaceted, extremely well coached. Where did he go to college? (JRob mutters) He may be the best running back we have. He may be one of the best players we have.
humorous squeeking tone as Q is "what?"
I'm judging players on everything not just rushing yards or receiving yards or tackles or punts. Coach Mularkey kept a list (holds up paper) and we're moving forward with that list. It's a standard I was held to. Attendance, film room, work outs, practices, playbook quiz- rushing and receiving are just two things. We're looking for complete players. Some of you know, some don't seem to, David was (about? can't hear) perfect. My issue is why didn't he play more. Preseason games, Flu came in and played the game as well as can be played. 100% on blitz, always where he was supposed to be, good strong runs. We have to promote that.
You would have started Flu over Henry?
which week?
Any week?
Gimme a number?
4?
No. But there was a week Henry missed two meetings. DeMarco started, but Flu would have come in before Henry
How would your coordinators feel about that?
It's our system. It's going to be. Like I said, it's already here. I'm just continuing but what we're gonna do is hold players to it. There's no change. It's not new coach changing things up. The system is here. We're just going to use it
What about talent?
JRob-Henry is an excellent one cut back. He'll be fine.
I meant talent deciding starters
That's JRob's problem, his issue. JRob- Flu wouldn't be here if he wasn't capable of filling in
Will Flu be the FB?
THat hasn't been decided. Jonnu, Stocker, we have players that can play FB. I'd really like to find one though. That's one thing we're searching for here.
Dodd?
Same as everyone else. Work hard, do what's required, earn your spot
Can he develop?
I don't know. Can he? That's what we're going to camp to find out- can young players develop. He'll be well coached and put in a position to succeed. Everyone will.
Biggest issue now that you've watched tape and become more comfortable?
Accountability on the field, without a doubt. I'm not looking for the most talented players but the best players for the Titans. Jon is here for talent. I want to know who gets it done on the field
What is something you two are looking for at the Combine?
Agreement. I'm not here to agree with Jon. JRob- When he sees qualities he likes in a player and I see qualities I like in a player, we agree. Vrabel- it's best to have many views not to try and all have the same view. JRob- We are on the same page. We're not here to disagree. Mike's saying two heads are better than one. One issue in New England was everyone agreeing with Bill. That didn't do Bill any good, not now, not at the Combine. There has to be differing views
You mentioned accountability on the field. Would you have pulled Mariota in 2017?
Yes, one game, one game only.
Did you tell him that?
No, we only had a brief phone call. From what I understand, he said he should have been pulled.
Are you excited to coach MM8?
Absolutely
What impresses you most about him?
His mental makeup
There haven't been many defensive questions? Which Titan was the hardest to block? Concerned the Texans most?
Avery
Williamson?
Without a doubt
So if he is not re-signed do you think the Texans will be interested?
Interested? Sure. Anymore than that you'd have to ask them
You didn't mention Casey or Lewan
You didn't ask
How do you feel about them?
It's gonna be fun to coach those two
Will TItans be signing Ohio State or Texans players?
No
Not at all?
Well if a player fills a need
THere's no benefit to having played for you?
There may be some. I don't think so. I told these guys there's no benefit to having been a Titan. Prove it. Every day. Every way.
So long time veterans don't have an advantage?
They understand the game. They've played the game. They have a significant advantage. I'm not giving them anything though
He said can't comment on Fowler. JRob said Fowler was a good player for us when he was here
(can't hear) Jrob said no he did not approve of Fowler's release and was an issue within the organization (which I told y'all months ago)
Q about "where do I find one" Vrabel called the FBs fossils and said he doesn't see many good ones in college.
do you have to have a FB?
Absolutely. It's as essential as the QB. The Titans will have a FB if we have to make one.
NFL has shifted away, evolution of the game Q
The Patriots use one. The Seahawks use one. Don't the Giants use one? Do the Giants? (can't hear) Look my teams will always have a FB I played FB. Put another way, whenever two of the best teams in the game do something well, I'll do that. Whatever it is. You find me a Superbowl champ that hasn't had a fullback and then maybe I'll consider us not having a FB.
Cassel?
I played with Matt. We're going to have some personal discussions
will he be back?
Sorry, we're gonna have some personal discussions
What about DeMarco?
Look I'll tell you what I wrote in my letter to the team and which I said many times over the phone
I thought you werent allowed to contact players now?
The NFL affords me the chance to have I think it's five minutes JRob- Maybe ten. Vrabel- to have a brief, hello I'm the new coach conversation with them
Back to what you said?
I told everyone that you're a member of this team until you're not a member of this team. Don't go writing a story on that. DeMarco is my guy. Henry is my guy. They're all my guys
Did anyone stand out to you as you've been reviewing film and getting ready for this draft?
Many did. There are a number of players that I'm not ashamed to admit are much better than I thought
Can you give an example?
JRob- this isn't the time of year for that. We need to be careful to not show our plan
You said you'd make a FB and mentioned DeMarco and Henry. Is it obvious to you that DeMarco is a more complete back and Henry needs to improve on some things?
muttering, muttering discussion- Henry is Henry, DeMarco is DeMarco. We're not gonna ask one player to be like another but look to get the best out of each player. I'll tell ya one guy I can't get over- David Fluellen. He's excellent, multifaceted, extremely well coached. Where did he go to college? (JRob mutters) He may be the best running back we have. He may be one of the best players we have.
humorous squeeking tone as Q is "what?"
I'm judging players on everything not just rushing yards or receiving yards or tackles or punts. Coach Mularkey kept a list (holds up paper) and we're moving forward with that list. It's a standard I was held to. Attendance, film room, work outs, practices, playbook quiz- rushing and receiving are just two things. We're looking for complete players. Some of you know, some don't seem to, David was (about? can't hear) perfect. My issue is why didn't he play more. Preseason games, Flu came in and played the game as well as can be played. 100% on blitz, always where he was supposed to be, good strong runs. We have to promote that.
You would have started Flu over Henry?
which week?
Any week?
Gimme a number?
4?
No. But there was a week Henry missed two meetings. DeMarco started, but Flu would have come in before Henry
How would your coordinators feel about that?
It's our system. It's going to be. Like I said, it's already here. I'm just continuing but what we're gonna do is hold players to it. There's no change. It's not new coach changing things up. The system is here. We're just going to use it
What about talent?
JRob-Henry is an excellent one cut back. He'll be fine.
I meant talent deciding starters
That's JRob's problem, his issue. JRob- Flu wouldn't be here if he wasn't capable of filling in
Will Flu be the FB?
THat hasn't been decided. Jonnu, Stocker, we have players that can play FB. I'd really like to find one though. That's one thing we're searching for here.
Dodd?
Same as everyone else. Work hard, do what's required, earn your spot
Can he develop?
I don't know. Can he? That's what we're going to camp to find out- can young players develop. He'll be well coached and put in a position to succeed. Everyone will.
Biggest issue now that you've watched tape and become more comfortable?
Accountability on the field, without a doubt. I'm not looking for the most talented players but the best players for the Titans. Jon is here for talent. I want to know who gets it done on the field
What is something you two are looking for at the Combine?
Agreement. I'm not here to agree with Jon. JRob- When he sees qualities he likes in a player and I see qualities I like in a player, we agree. Vrabel- it's best to have many views not to try and all have the same view. JRob- We are on the same page. We're not here to disagree. Mike's saying two heads are better than one. One issue in New England was everyone agreeing with Bill. That didn't do Bill any good, not now, not at the Combine. There has to be differing views
You mentioned accountability on the field. Would you have pulled Mariota in 2017?
Yes, one game, one game only.
Did you tell him that?
No, we only had a brief phone call. From what I understand, he said he should have been pulled.
Are you excited to coach MM8?
Absolutely
What impresses you most about him?
His mental makeup
There haven't been many defensive questions? Which Titan was the hardest to block? Concerned the Texans most?
Avery
Williamson?
Without a doubt
So if he is not re-signed do you think the Texans will be interested?
Interested? Sure. Anymore than that you'd have to ask them
You didn't mention Casey or Lewan
You didn't ask
How do you feel about them?
It's gonna be fun to coach those two
Will TItans be signing Ohio State or Texans players?
No
Not at all?
Well if a player fills a need
THere's no benefit to having played for you?
There may be some. I don't think so. I told these guys there's no benefit to having been a Titan. Prove it. Every day. Every way.
So long time veterans don't have an advantage?
They understand the game. They've played the game. They have a significant advantage. I'm not giving them anything though
I love his blunt, duh, in your face way of speaking. It's almost like Belichick or Parcells. I mean it is what it is, reporters gotta up their game. Don't ask a leading question- ask what you want to know the answer to. Don't ask a dopey question or you're getting a one word duh response. I know y'all don't care, but he'll make the reporters better.
Some of this is how he was in the longer interview earlier and how he is on the radio. That's his job. That's his issue. That's his problem. I can totally "see" manager in him and I think that comes from a sort of NFL wisdom. He's not gonna coach every position and sign players and call plays and call D sets and...you can tell he has (or is) set up a division of labor. That's either extremely mature or he just gets it.
Aside from discussing the GM and other coaches, he does this with players too and that is exactly how Brady and BB talk. I love it. You do your job, you do yours, you do yours, and I'll do mine. It's simple, there's accountability, purpose...I love it. The players and the other coaches should be able to follow his lead. If he spells out that this guy has to do XYZ, that's enough- let it play out. The coach makes sure he's doing what he needs or teaches him how, the player does exactly what's asked.
Mularkey and Fish talked of groups- the line needs to....the wide receivers need to...etc. Vrabel is focused on each player doing each specific task. I think this is a very simple but huge deal.
I want to see JRob when player X isn't doing his job. That's big for the franchise and JRob's own career too. This also offers a perfect evaluation setup.
I'm very curious how fans will digest all this. Corey seems like a good student so this is just a fictitious example but suppose Corey is never in the spot he's supposed to be but one step off. Is that over the head of the average fan? Will they just be angry that he has all this talent and got benched or understand that Vrabel is demanding perfection? Perfection is possible when you want a guy to be at a spot. We're not talking some life philosophical lesson where perfection is unattainable. "He's doing the best he can" wouldn't fly here. I'm so anxious to see how camp goes and how fans react.
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There are a large group of people that are too stuck on "the game changed, the FB is not necessary." I actually think adding a FB will upset fans. It is still so odd that Fowler is gone and there is still interest in him. I don't think I've ever seen this in all my years watching the NFL. I mean not with younger guys. This is usually how old veterans are treated when they play their twilight years somewhere else.
I did, of course, google and there are a few college FBs that look real good. There's a few every year. I think we can bank on them using a 7th on a FB or offering a larger than expected UDFA contract on one. They don't have a 7th but they are the easiest thing to trade for in all of sports and almost of no value in the trade charts so if the GM is like JRob, I just assume it's easily attainable if they want it.
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Munchak talked like Vrabel does. He's a superb OL coach and wasn't the best head coach. We can't give too much praise for the way Vrabel speaks and thinks. It's gotta be with a grain of salt
The Titans will have practice before the NFL draft.
The new CBA allowed teams with new coaches to start early and also allowed for moving the draft city to city which brought up logistics of best available dates and...yeah it's gonna seem odd to have practice before the draft but they will
The new CBA allowed teams with new coaches to start early and also allowed for moving the draft city to city which brought up logistics of best available dates and...yeah it's gonna seem odd to have practice before the draft but they will
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Footballguy
Re Corey a step off - I understand what you mean, but there also has to be some buffer - otherwise we would not need a talented QB to anticipate and put it in the right spot. But it holds up on most other positions well (and maybe also if you incorporat ethe buffer and Corey is stilla step off)
Re FB - I'd very much like them to extend an offer to Fowler at the start of FA - Let SEA pay if they really, really want him, but I'd rather he came 'home' - that should also put a stop to any Jonnu nonsense
Re the way you talk - agreed. Vrabel says the right things the right way. Soon he has to do them,,,
News! Murray turned down first offer. Word is he said he's not gonna be paid like a backup, done too much in this league
Henry's agent met with Titans and was assured he's the starter in 2018.
Murray's view "in the league" means nothing to individual teams. He's gonna have to switch that to what he did for the Titans or just shush and let his agent speak.
Titans were to interview Kerrion Johnson. THREE members of personnel dept thought it was their job and the Titans initially wound up with three scheduled interviews with him. A clerk should have just waived off the other two but accidents happen. After some time, it was changed from three to one.
Somehow someway amidst all these questions about this dopeyness, it came out that the Titans are very interested in Penny.
JRob is not happy and sending people home from Combine. Aimee (videographer, sort of understudy to Wyatt) is expected to take over as the NFL contact til they're done at the Combine
Henry's agent met with Titans and was assured he's the starter in 2018.
Murray's view "in the league" means nothing to individual teams. He's gonna have to switch that to what he did for the Titans or just shush and let his agent speak.
Titans were to interview Kerrion Johnson. THREE members of personnel dept thought it was their job and the Titans initially wound up with three scheduled interviews with him. A clerk should have just waived off the other two but accidents happen. After some time, it was changed from three to one.
Somehow someway amidst all these questions about this dopeyness, it came out that the Titans are very interested in Penny.
JRob is not happy and sending people home from Combine. Aimee (videographer, sort of understudy to Wyatt) is expected to take over as the NFL contact til they're done at the Combine
Some Sharpe talk again today. Aside from the obvious "what's he gotta do with Henry and Murray?" I am now all hmmmm what are they up to?
I believe he is the only player mentioned in every Vrabel presser.
Why?
Hogwash to increase trade value? Sincere and someone will be a surprise release?
When does that ever happen with a guy that sat last year and only played one year....really curious how this offseason plays out with him now
I believe he is the only player mentioned in every Vrabel presser.
Why?
Hogwash to increase trade value? Sincere and someone will be a surprise release?
When does that ever happen with a guy that sat last year and only played one year....really curious how this offseason plays out with him now
Remember Miami supposedly was prepared to pay Williamson a big contract. Now that the Titans are making him offers, Avery's agent wants him to test the free agent market. It's probably the right business decision, but I'm guessing that he'll be gone then.
Cameron reports that the Titans and Kline are wayyy apart with Kline thinking he's worthy of 7mil per.
At the moment, the Titans are playing games with Quinton Spain. The NFL has to announce the tenders. Yes, he was undrafted but that doesn't matter. There aren't many stats to rank performance of a Guard. No one I talked to even knew what they'd use. Going on starts and sacks allowed, relative to his peers, Spain would get a first round tender grade. The most common guesses are second and third round. Salary wise 1st is 4, 2nd is 3, and rounds 3-7 is 2mil. (roughly). JRob seems willing to play this game and it seems like a situation he enjoys.
If he's a third round grade and no one makes him an offer, the Titans get him at 2 mil per. If some team does make an offer, JRob seems to love extra picks.
My belief is that they should only entertain a first or second.
Because he's just a weird dude....Brice McCain said he looks forward to signing with a team where he can use his KR abilities. He has zero kick returns in his NFL career and has always wanted to.He did return kicks in college but never scored. Adios Brice
Cameron reports that the Titans and Kline are wayyy apart with Kline thinking he's worthy of 7mil per.
At the moment, the Titans are playing games with Quinton Spain. The NFL has to announce the tenders. Yes, he was undrafted but that doesn't matter. There aren't many stats to rank performance of a Guard. No one I talked to even knew what they'd use. Going on starts and sacks allowed, relative to his peers, Spain would get a first round tender grade. The most common guesses are second and third round. Salary wise 1st is 4, 2nd is 3, and rounds 3-7 is 2mil. (roughly). JRob seems willing to play this game and it seems like a situation he enjoys.
If he's a third round grade and no one makes him an offer, the Titans get him at 2 mil per. If some team does make an offer, JRob seems to love extra picks.
My belief is that they should only entertain a first or second.
Because he's just a weird dude....Brice McCain said he looks forward to signing with a team where he can use his KR abilities. He has zero kick returns in his NFL career and has always wanted to.He did return kicks in college but never scored. Adios Brice
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While I certainly wouldn't complain if Watkins did sign in Nashville, I don't think it happens.
For the cost I'd prefer Wallace, Richardson or moncrief. Maybe even Latimer if really cheap. And if they do want to use a good chunk of their $51 million in cap space on a WR, go after ARob.
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Trumaine is going to cost
but is probably worth it. Breeland could do well opposite Jackson, with Ryan in the slot. Butler could work too (and obviously has the Patriots connection). Gaines wouldn't be bad either.
If I could choose one for the likely price, I'll take Butler.
msommer
Footballguy
I must admit Richardson intrigues me - I bought the hype when he came out and this last year sparked the feeling.
But, Davis, Taylor, Sharpe are all vying for more playing time with Matthews - is WR really a need? I expect we don't know which is a good reason to pick up an insurance policy on a short contract.
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Nope. Although I don't have a lot of hope for sharpe. Davis and Taylor should be really good. TT kinda takes over for Mathews. A deep threat wouldn't hurt, Wallace could fill that veteran deep threat role and might not cost a lot.
There was interest in Butler last year so I assume there's some. When was Ryan signed and when was that trade talk? I forget the timeline there
I live in Cowboys country and they don't like Mo. Fans of teams are usually right on CBs if there's a strong dislike
Prince is awesome and then not. I don't know what his deal is. I thought it was coaching but now I think it has to do with the player. He's an odd bird, I don't know how you go into a week with the possibility of him allowing a 150 yard game or holding a guy to one catch. IIRC The Giants got him after he didn't make a ton, like the market wasn't going to pay him as handsomely as he wanted. If he is "down a peg" again, maybe with the Titans depth they could just pull him during the bad weeks. I watch a lot of Giants games (my dad was a Giants fan) and I'm telling ya he is unique.
Trumaine Johnson probably gets too much money. I'd like to talk about him and know the Titans are. With 40-50 mil free every year and this BS smokescreen that they have to have it available to re-up players that they'll let walk, I'd really like to know a guy like Johnson is discussed. Yep he's gonna be expensive but he's gonna own that spot and be a key piece for a defense for many years. The Titans can't always wonder if there's a coupon for free agents. There has to be some type, some prerquisites met, that will open up Strunk's pocketbook.
Patrick Robinson is a phenomenal athlete. I remember avoiding him on DraftKings and he did allow some WRs to do well. I haven't kept up with him but my guess is he lost a step.
Not above but
Marcus Peters was traded for a song- I don't like that the Titans weren't mentioned as being interested. Two years in the league and both times he's one of the best.
Oklahoma and OK State pro days are this week, wed and thurs.
I'm very curious of the Titans that will be present. Oklahoma is always loaded and they could be looking at anyone. OK State was surprisingly good but if they send many then I would strongly think they're considering Mason Rudolph.
Rudolph is a guy that the mock drafters don't know how to project. That needs to be said. He's going anywhere between the 2nd and 6th rounds with a large percent putting him in the third or fourth. Really though it's that free agency and the top five QBs (He's usually sixth) will fill every team's major need, so when will the next QB go?
I like him, I like him a lot. He's clearly intelligent and has very nice understanding of timing. He's not your typical big conference quarterback, OK State's WR (ranked 8th) is 5foot 11 inch James Washington. Unlike "everyone else" his WR had to work to get open and wasn't some man amongst boys 6 foot 4 inch gazelle. Washington has like 4k receiving yards. Ya really gotta stew on some little WR getting that much against the talent in a big conference to understand what I'm saying here.
Tre Flowers is a 6 foot 3 inch (big for a safety!) speedy strong safety. 4.38 is his low thus far for 40 time. First team all Big 12. I read third for his career in the Big 12 with 267 tackles. No idea if that means among safeties or what. He's projected to be a fifth rounder.
At OU's pro day, one guy I figure they look at is Ogbonnia Okoronkwo.
He's a DE/OLB that is fast and always running fast, everywhere, all over the field. I'm skittish that he'll be able to cover and I don't know if he has the discipline to be a LB in the NFL. He's definitely a 3rd down rush the QB sub type. Supposedly he did very well at LB during Senior Bowl practices though. He's projected in the second round. 6-1 240 is too small for a DE but seems about right for an OLB. With time to learn from Vrabel and learn behind Orakpo and Morgan, I really think a guy like him with superb athleticism but needing lots of "seasoning" suits the Titans pretty well.
Jordan Thomas is their CB that has everyone hmmm. He was slow at 4.64 in the 40 and he's always been faster in game. His 3 cone drill was the fastest time ever in combine history. His lateral agility is wow. He was one of the top CBs before 2017 (holds OU records for pass defensed or somesuch) but he got burned some and that took away some confidence until he ultimately finished strong. I don't mind this. He was able to overcome and there is some value to that. He's gone from surebet first rounder in August, to undrafted, and now probably 6th round. I really wonder if that sick lateral speed would probably be dangerous over slot WRs. I mean their bread n butter is a quickness and one quick move to the ball; they're not covering a lot of space where the speed concern would worry either. All the coaches and such that put him on preseason All American first or second team saw something too. I'm not gonna get too overboard about a 6th round CB, but I think ya gotta admit he's hmmmm
Dimitri Flowers is the top FB in this draft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acnr-ThlbKA He's perfect for the Titans. Projected to go undrafted (despite being top ranked) and he has a nice a reel of blocking highlights as he does receiving highlights.
Erick Wren is a C or G that has a learning disability. He's a top athlete but the learning disability has him going undrafted or you'll see guys pencilling him into the 7th round. I don't know enough about how intelligent a lineman has to be or his disability. everything ya want athletically is there- he's big, he moves very well, he's got a meanness and then smiles after the play. I don't know if it'll be well publicized but I'd bet $ just about every team looks at him. They're gonna be there for Baker and there has to be a curiosity about this lineman.
I'm very curious of the Titans that will be present. Oklahoma is always loaded and they could be looking at anyone. OK State was surprisingly good but if they send many then I would strongly think they're considering Mason Rudolph.
Rudolph is a guy that the mock drafters don't know how to project. That needs to be said. He's going anywhere between the 2nd and 6th rounds with a large percent putting him in the third or fourth. Really though it's that free agency and the top five QBs (He's usually sixth) will fill every team's major need, so when will the next QB go?
I like him, I like him a lot. He's clearly intelligent and has very nice understanding of timing. He's not your typical big conference quarterback, OK State's WR (ranked 8th) is 5foot 11 inch James Washington. Unlike "everyone else" his WR had to work to get open and wasn't some man amongst boys 6 foot 4 inch gazelle. Washington has like 4k receiving yards. Ya really gotta stew on some little WR getting that much against the talent in a big conference to understand what I'm saying here.
Tre Flowers is a 6 foot 3 inch (big for a safety!) speedy strong safety. 4.38 is his low thus far for 40 time. First team all Big 12. I read third for his career in the Big 12 with 267 tackles. No idea if that means among safeties or what. He's projected to be a fifth rounder.
At OU's pro day, one guy I figure they look at is Ogbonnia Okoronkwo.
He's a DE/OLB that is fast and always running fast, everywhere, all over the field. I'm skittish that he'll be able to cover and I don't know if he has the discipline to be a LB in the NFL. He's definitely a 3rd down rush the QB sub type. Supposedly he did very well at LB during Senior Bowl practices though. He's projected in the second round. 6-1 240 is too small for a DE but seems about right for an OLB. With time to learn from Vrabel and learn behind Orakpo and Morgan, I really think a guy like him with superb athleticism but needing lots of "seasoning" suits the Titans pretty well.
Jordan Thomas is their CB that has everyone hmmm. He was slow at 4.64 in the 40 and he's always been faster in game. His 3 cone drill was the fastest time ever in combine history. His lateral agility is wow. He was one of the top CBs before 2017 (holds OU records for pass defensed or somesuch) but he got burned some and that took away some confidence until he ultimately finished strong. I don't mind this. He was able to overcome and there is some value to that. He's gone from surebet first rounder in August, to undrafted, and now probably 6th round. I really wonder if that sick lateral speed would probably be dangerous over slot WRs. I mean their bread n butter is a quickness and one quick move to the ball; they're not covering a lot of space where the speed concern would worry either. All the coaches and such that put him on preseason All American first or second team saw something too. I'm not gonna get too overboard about a 6th round CB, but I think ya gotta admit he's hmmmm
Dimitri Flowers is the top FB in this draft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acnr-ThlbKA He's perfect for the Titans. Projected to go undrafted (despite being top ranked) and he has a nice a reel of blocking highlights as he does receiving highlights.
Erick Wren is a C or G that has a learning disability. He's a top athlete but the learning disability has him going undrafted or you'll see guys pencilling him into the 7th round. I don't know enough about how intelligent a lineman has to be or his disability. everything ya want athletically is there- he's big, he moves very well, he's got a meanness and then smiles after the play. I don't know if it'll be well publicized but I'd bet $ just about every team looks at him. They're gonna be there for Baker and there has to be a curiosity about this lineman.
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Footballguy
Mason Rudolph as 3rd string QB for a year or two? Sure.
Tre Flowers - Don't we have more than enough SS and not enough FS?
OO - DE/OLB? Sure - but he really is small for a DE. With Vrabel preaching versatility, how would that work? IIRC (and possibly apropos of nothing) the Patriot DE/OLB guys have/had 20 lbs or more on them to cover that role.
Jordan Thomas? Dunno
Dmitri Flowers? I'd rather have Jalston Fowler back - but if that doesn't happen...
Erick Wren - a bit leery of the combination of learning disability and C/G position. I'd guess the coaches want to know more of what the learning disability is in order to determine the fit and how the disability can be countered
Tre Flowers - Don't we have more than enough SS and not enough FS?
OO - DE/OLB? Sure - but he really is small for a DE. With Vrabel preaching versatility, how would that work? IIRC (and possibly apropos of nothing) the Patriot DE/OLB guys have/had 20 lbs or more on them to cover that role.
Jordan Thomas? Dunno
Dmitri Flowers? I'd rather have Jalston Fowler back - but if that doesn't happen...
Erick Wren - a bit leery of the combination of learning disability and C/G position. I'd guess the coaches want to know more of what the learning disability is in order to determine the fit and how the disability can be countered
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Malcolm Butler inbound. 5 years $61 million.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not huge, probably 3 mil. See the market http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/cornerback/
I'd put him in the 8 9mil range there
The Pats wanted a first for him last year and the Titans got Adoree with that, so one year of waiting and now JRob got what he wanted.
If Sims returns healthy and usual, they're going to be able to say all five CBs started in 2017
-OZ-
Footballguy
A bit more than I expected but that's not shocking. Might not be horrible with $30 million guaranteed.Trumaine is going to cost
Breeland could do well opposite Jackson, with Ryan in the slot. Butler could work too (and obviously has the Patriots connection). Gaines wouldn't be bad either.
If I could choose one for the likely price, I'll take Butler.
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Dion Lewis added.
Avery to the Jets.
Avery to the Jets.
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Sounds like Kline is sticking around.
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Footballguy
Oh cool we're getting all the pats rejects.
Kidding
I actually do like the tandem of Lewis and Henry. But not so much the fact that Lewis will be compensated as a top-10 NFL running back.
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