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Bri said:
Cut Fowler and I'm quite annoyed
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I realize they don't play him much, only 12.7% of the offensive snaps so far this year, but who did they need to pick up as reason to cut him?

As far as Woods goes, I know you think he would be better than Williams, but if no other team has plucked him from that practice squad, then maybe he isn't as good as you think he is?

 
Biabreakable said:
I realize they don't play him much, only 12.7% of the offensive snaps so far this year, but who did they need to pick up as reason to cut him?

As far as Woods goes, I know you think he would be better than Williams, but if no other team has plucked him from that practice squad, then maybe he isn't as good as you think he is?
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Well I have two full preseasons and one regular season game where I judge Woods quite favorably. You definitely have a valid point but I see what I see and I'm very much not alone on this too. ESPN readers especially adore Woods like me, to the point where Wolfe has stopped sticking up for "Sly" Williams.

Since I saw it, let me put this in a fun way "Mularkey gets paid a bonus for every game Dodd is on the team." :-) :-)  We're past a "you make no sense" point with Dodd and Mularkey so that was funny. They promoted Carraway who was an impressive rook this summer and then cut to keep Dodd active. He has been promoted and demoted this season. He too is a former college DE but his learning of the OLB spot was evident. The announcers quoted Lebeau and pointed stuff out in the preseason. He was coming along.

Dodd on the other hand, rarely covered and was always with his hand in the dirt. Mularkey finally finally finally admitted to one reporter that he is their emergency defensive end and has always been. (Woods was discussed and has been part of the conversation every week which is more infuriating, how can you always choose no with how Sylvester has played) Woods played some DE this summer and did fine. Walden also rarely covers and this is where people were talking of their 4-3 look. (The last few games he has covered) With Dodd and Walden largely playing with their hand in the dirt and Wallace having a setback, they needed an OLB so they promoted Carraway.

There are a zillion better cuts than a guy that plays 12% of snaps like Brandon Weeden or any one of the ST free agents that haven't improved special teams and don't contribute on O or D. Or hey give up on Dodd? Or if Stocker is better than Supernaw, then why not cut Supernaw? He doesn't play as much ST as he did last year. Riley play FS and CB. Kalan Reed hasn't played a snap on defense. Do they really need a sixth CB when Riley can cover the sixth spot if God Forbid it ever comes to that? Nate Palmer rarely plays and was a ST guy in GB and Ten and he can actually play ILB. Is Bates really more valuable than him? Bottomline is they cut a guy that contributes to keep people that don't.

As far as the offense, we're seeing more pig-headed determination from Mularkey. Henry is outrushing your starter, guess what that means? Your TE system isn't working but you have a FB rated the best in the NFL the last two years, use him! The team is having a weak rushing year that's only aided by three long runs and is often stagnant. How much do they average with Fowler- 5.8 ypc. But let's sign a TE the Bucs didn't want and cleared waivers and make sure to get the ball to Harry more

 
Bri said:
Well I have two full preseasons and one regular season game where I judge Woods quite favorably. You definitely have a valid point but I see what I see and I'm very much not alone on this too. ESPN readers especially adore Woods like me, to the point where Wolfe has stopped sticking up for "Sly" Williams.

Since I saw it, let me put this in a fun way "Mularkey gets paid a bonus for every game Dodd is on the team." :-) :-)  We're past a "you make no sense" point with Dodd and Mularkey so that was funny. They promoted Carraway who was an impressive rook this summer and then cut to keep Dodd active. He has been promoted and demoted this season. He too is a former college DE but his learning of the OLB spot was evident. The announcers quoted Lebeau and pointed stuff out in the preseason. He was coming along.

Dodd on the other hand, rarely covered and was always with his hand in the dirt. Mularkey finally finally finally admitted to one reporter that he is their emergency defensive end and has always been. (Woods was discussed and has been part of the conversation every week which is more infuriating, how can you always choose no with how Sylvester has played) Woods played some DE this summer and did fine. Walden also rarely covers and this is where people were talking of their 4-3 look. (The last few games he has covered) With Dodd and Walden largely playing with their hand in the dirt and Wallace having a setback, they needed an OLB so they promoted Carraway.

There are a zillion better cuts than a guy that plays 12% of snaps like Brandon Weeden or any one of the ST free agents that haven't improved special teams and don't contribute on O or D. Or hey give up on Dodd? Or if Stocker is better than Supernaw, then why not cut Supernaw? He doesn't play as much ST as he did last year. Riley play FS and CB. Kalan Reed hasn't played a snap on defense. Do they really need a sixth CB when Riley can cover the sixth spot if God Forbid it ever comes to that? Nate Palmer rarely plays and was a ST guy in GB and Ten and he can actually play ILB. Is Bates really more valuable than him? Bottomline is they cut a guy that contributes to keep people that don't.

As far as the offense, we're seeing more pig-headed determination from Mularkey. Henry is outrushing your starter, guess what that means? Your TE system isn't working but you have a FB rated the best in the NFL the last two years, use him! The team is having a weak rushing year that's only aided by three long runs and is often stagnant. How much do they average with Fowler- 5.8 ypc. But let's sign a TE the Bucs didn't want and cleared waivers and make sure to get the ball to Harry more
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If Mularkey gets paid a bonus for every game Dodd is on the team, then that is the main problem. 

Is that really true? I have never heard of such a thing. It is financial incentive from the GM or ownership that undermines the coaches decision to keep the best 53 players.

You may very well be right about Woods. I don't know. I have never seen him play, just playing devils advocate in that Woods hasn't been scooped up by another team yet. I think plenty of teams could use a good defensive lineman as well. So I think you have to wonder why that is.

Still isn't clear to me why the cut Fowler?

Maybe another team picks Fowler up. Although FB is not really a priority for teams, a good FB who can also catch the ball is useful. I like CJ Ham for example who is the Vikings FB right now, a converted HB. With blocking TE David Morgan injured, Mike ZImmer was talking about playing Ham more, and he talks about the fact that Ham can catch the ball and run the ball, making him harder for defenses to just stack the box against them when he is in there.

Seems to me that Fowler brings those assets to the line up as well. I guess we will see if another team snatches him up or not. I think the Saints for example who are playing Zach Line could definitely upgrade there by adding Fowler. Likely other teams could too.

eta - I hear you about Mularkey being stubborn. The Titans are 8-4 right now, so its not like its all bad. I do think Mularkey is holding the team back somewhat from untapping their full potential though, and that doesn't seem like something that will change until Mike is fired. There is a larger organizational problem with the Titans however if he is being paid to keep players who are not very good such as Dodd, if what you say is true.

 
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Biabreakable said:
If Mularkey gets paid a bonus for every game Dodd is on the team, then that is the main problem. 

Is that really true? I have never heard of such a thing. It is financial incentive from the GM or ownership that undermines the coaches decision to keep the best 53 players.




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No no, it was a joke someone said to make sense of he and Dodd. Nothing makes sense and someone was being wise and I thought it funny

 
Last two years he was the top rated FB by PFF, so he's probably an upgrade for every team. Was a highly sought after RB in high school that accepted the FB role when he saw who was at Alabama. He can run and has nice hands too. Each preseason has been someone saying he did this in practice and will get the rock more, but he never really did.

PK says they are saving the spot and will use Jonnu, Flu, and Henry as a FB if one is warranted on a play

 
Ah sorry for being slow in regards to that being a joke. Should have known I suppose. I have never heard of such a thing which would undermine personnel decisions. Dodd was the 33rd overall pick in 2016 which in my opinion was a bit high. He was talked about as a 1st round prospect going into the draft though.

It does seem weird to me that a coach such as Mularkey who has such an affinity for the tight end position would not appreciate Fowler at full back.

Is there some other than football reason for his release?

 
Bri said:
no, he beat up a door, angry that his buddy was released

I actually switched to starting him in FF. I was on the fence but an angry Henry might actually be even better
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Are you being serious? Think Henry will be playing angry or that maybe coaching staff might punish him by playing Murray more?

 
Biabreakable said:
Ah sorry for being slow in regards to that being a joke. Should have known I suppose. I have never heard of such a thing which would undermine personnel decisions. Dodd was the 33rd overall pick in 2016 which in my opinion was a bit high. He was talked about as a 1st round prospect going into the draft though.

It does seem weird to me that a coach such as Mularkey who has such an affinity for the tight end position would not appreciate Fowler at full back.

Is there some other than football reason for his release?
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Nah nothing reported. all good things character wise

 
Be happy JRob drafts and not Mularkey. This unranked (so low, he's unranked) player would be our first round pick in 2018

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/matt-mariota-1.html

You know this fictitious conversation is not that far fetched:

 Coach, Do the Titans need a TE willing to block and not be all about stats?

Absolutely

Do you need some LB help?

sure

What if I told you of someone that played both positions in college?

What's his name?

Mariota

OMG race me to the podium! :-) 

 
That last play was awful. 4th and 10 pass to cornerback Adoree Jackson. Cameron Wolfe reported afterward that Jackson had never practiced the play and someone had to tell him which route to run. Terrible play call. Worse than the (failed) fake punt. Awful, awful game.

 
VandyMan said:
That last play was awful. 4th and 10 pass to cornerback Adoree Jackson. Cameron Wolfe reported afterward that Jackson had never practiced the play and someone had to tell him which route to run. Terrible play call. Worse than the (failed) fake punt. Awful, awful game.
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I didn't mind it going to Adoree in this context. Nothing was working all darn day. Worth a shot.

A play he didn't know, big probs. Not using him earlier, big probs. Not using Taylor when he is there to provide a spark, big probs.....lots n lots of issues.

Someone today pointed out that if the Titans had a decent backup QB he probably would have gone in- on most teams. I don't know about this game but definitely the 4 INT game. It's an interesting thought too.

Henry barely playing.

Davis still running wrong routes but not pulled. Taylor drops a pass and is done.

I thought Harry was activated as the guy to come in and get things settled down with a completion or two. What happened with that?

On and on with the same issues each week.

The D played well, very well.

Dodd wasn't awful, that's kind of progress. Much has been made of he and King applying some pressure on a few plays. They didn't do much otherwise but often held their ground. There were more pushed to the side like a ragdoll plays than plays where they applied pressure. 

Casey moved around a ton. Orakpo was inside the DE several times. I noticed Brown at the LOS and fading back at every snap. Never once saw him attack. Stop that. It's no fake if he never attacks, it's just a guy out of position. There were a large number of plays where Woodyard rushed in from his spot essentially leaving Avery with the middle. It all worked, but a lot of that trickey is to mask weak DEs.

Erik Walden often got pinned or blocked by the TE or RT and chased plays. I was wondering why he always has to try an inside move. Can't he mix it up? If he was outside, he'd be "right there." If Walden was going to be Morgan's replacement and just be on the LOS, that was a waste. It's a 3-4 not 4-3. Brown can play OLB(and has) and Carraway did in the summer.  Walden was a really odd sub in this regard.

The DL was horrible late and the inexperienced guys winded. Carraway...well he can't do worse at DE at that point. They needed to sub and really didn't.

It all worked well, except for the end and they held em' to field goals. I wish the offense had the defensive issues

 
Mularkey and his staff are evaluating everyone. Changes are possible.

Blamed the loss on execution, not individuals...this is starting to feel like a common copout but whatever he's gotta do to massage egos.

 
Bri said:
Mularkey and his staff are evaluating everyone. Changes are possible.

Blamed the loss on execution, not individuals...this is starting to feel like a common copout but whatever he's gotta do to massage egos.
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Can they evaluate themselves? 

 
With the offense as completely clueless as has been demonstrated the past couple of weeks, the next three weeks are starting to look like losses.

Would that be enough to get Mularkey fired?

If so, would I be a bad fan to consider rooting for that?

 
msommer said:
With the offense as completely clueless as has been demonstrated the past couple of weeks, the next three weeks are starting to look like losses.

Would that be enough to get Mularkey fired?

If so, would I be a bad fan to consider rooting for that?
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Robiskie, but I don't know on Mularkey. 

8-8 isn't bad in the context of that they've been worst in the NFL recently. 

During previous seasons (and as far as I know, every one) the hc, oc, and dc met for planning meetings and sometimes the whole staff did. At some point during this season, Mularkey stopped doing this.

I jump to "He didn't like Lebeau telling him what's wrong with his O and Lebeau is legendary at breaking down offenses" but that's all my guess.

Curiously this is what did Fassel in in NY and ultimately they had huge issues with a team divided. There were many articles and coach quotes and all that, that it was an elementary mistake and Fassel should have known better. Fassel was so attached to the offense that he took it personally when the D staff criticized it. The HC is supposed to be objective and more manager than coach. He shouldn't be involved in the O (some are but that's not the system) more than the D or ST. He should be more of an overseer.

Mularkey rrrrrrrrrrreally seems like he's copying Fassel's blueprint which would be so stupid. Fassel was a bright young coach that took his team to the Supe and gonna have a long career. That all quickly ended with 2-3 bad seasons.

Mularkey IS having an entire staff meeting this week and a meeting with Lebeau and Robiskie. It will be the first time in several weeks that the entire game plan is done by the whole staff.

He is allowed to mess up and we'll never be happy if we insist on a perfect coach. Some guys on the radio have wisely pointed this out.

Development is poor on offense. It's not just rookies. Conklin is not having a good year, neither is Spain. Tajae is on IR but he was supposedly a key piece a year ago and didn't look like it in preseason. Mariota's off year is obviously a huge concern. On defense, no matter how you spell things out, Lebeau made it work. He found a way.

We don't know if JRob insisted on the ST trio making the team or any of that. To add Adoree (already one of the better return men) and three supposed gems and have special teams only marginally improved could be the end for their ST coach. Their long snapper, punter, and kicker all have excellent qualities. 6 of 11 are "best of" players and it's probably not good enough that their ST struggles. 

We don't know what happened with Sylvester and Woods. JRob was literally on the sled the day Woods was announced the starter. After an impressive preseason game by Woods and a poor one by Sylvester, Sylvester became the starter. Did JRob get flack or his pride hurt seeing Woods not Sylvester play well? Did Strunk call and say why'd we spend 7 mil on a backup? We don't know what happened but it's been curious all season. We don't know if JRob and Mularkey or just Mularkey is behind the odd fascination with Dodd. Avery has had some issues this year and was recently the top rated LB by PFF for week 13. They lost Cyprien and think more highly of him than I do. Lebeau has made it work no matter what happened. 

When you compare O and D and ST it's pretty brutal how much better Lebeau runs his ship than the other two. 

We know they had an emergency meeting to discuss fan attendance being poor and that the next game attendance was way up. As I said then, Strunk and Moustache have to be aware of profit and loss. The NFL is based largely on it's star players. The Titans have done a fantastic job at getting "good guys" on the roster, being charitable, and involved in the community. I think it's Murray's struggles, not switching to Henry, and Mariota's struggles. They have not given the fans a guy to root for. Delanie has made a few comments that indicate his fan base has been higher than ever. I think this is also because there is no QB or RB for the fans to adore. Die hard fans don't like when it's widdled down to QB and RB play but my goodness it's true. The far larger group of fans that casually watch the team are fascinated by the QB and RB. On D probably some DB that intercepts or someone that gets sacks. The game is real simple for them.

I think Henry/Murray issues will fix itself next year and Henry will beat him out. His offseason was fantastic this year and it seems reasonable for this to happen.

In a zillion different ways, getting Mariota fixed is the solution- to the O, to the fans in seats, to the fans buying stuff, wins and losses....everything. JRob does an end of season interview with all staff members as many GMs do. I think Mularkey (and others) had better have the right answer as to how to fix Mariota. Every other mistake may be tolerable or viewed as just a mistake by JRob and Strunk but Mariota is the whole key. 

I keep saying it but-Helfrich visited the facility before and after his interview with U of Tennessee. He visited in the spring and during camp. Mariota paid airfare and hotel (but he wouldn't accept payment for his time) for Helfrich to be near Oregon with him and in Hawaii for weeks with him. Surely JRob and Mularkey first met him like "hey thanks for working with our boy. You love Marcus, we love Marcus too!" Surely the camp visit was to just see how he progressed. I'm dying to know though what it was like when he visited a few weeks ago. The landscape changed with Marcus' struggles and the O struggling. Did JRob see him and think here's a guy that can fix MM8 and had him humming in college and this past offseason? Four visits from a former college coach is not normal but the visits can all be explained with the broken leg rehab and coaching interview. It could be nothing related to the Titans staff, but it is very hmmmmm

 
Bri said:
Robiskie, but I don't know on Mularkey. 

8-8 isn't bad in the context of that they've been worst in the NFL recently. 

During previous seasons (and as far as I know, every one) the hc, oc, and dc met for planning meetings and sometimes the whole staff did. At some point during this season, Mularkey stopped doing this.

I jump to "He didn't like Lebeau telling him what's wrong with his O and Lebeau is legendary at breaking down offenses" but that's all my guess.

Curiously this is what did Fassel in in NY and ultimately they had huge issues with a team divided. There were many articles and coach quotes and all that, that it was an elementary mistake and Fassel should have known better. Fassel was so attached to the offense that he took it personally when the D staff criticized it. The HC is supposed to be objective and more manager than coach. He shouldn't be involved in the O (some are but that's not the system) more than the D or ST. He should be more of an overseer.

Mularkey rrrrrrrrrrreally seems like he's copying Fassel's blueprint which would be so stupid. Fassel was a bright young coach that took his team to the Supe and gonna have a long career. That all quickly ended with 2-3 bad seasons.

Mularkey IS having an entire staff meeting this week and a meeting with Lebeau and Robiskie. It will be the first time in several weeks that the entire game plan is done by the whole staff.

He is allowed to mess up and we'll never be happy if we insist on a perfect coach. Some guys on the radio have wisely pointed this out.

Development is poor on offense. It's not just rookies. Conklin is not having a good year, neither is Spain. Tajae is on IR but he was supposedly a key piece a year ago and didn't look like it in preseason. Mariota's off year is obviously a huge concern. On defense, no matter how you spell things out, Lebeau made it work. He found a way.

We don't know if JRob insisted on the ST trio making the team or any of that. To add Adoree (already one of the better return men) and three supposed gems and have special teams only marginally improved could be the end for their ST coach. Their long snapper, punter, and kicker all have excellent qualities. 6 of 11 are "best of" players and it's probably not good enough that their ST struggles. 

We don't know what happened with Sylvester and Woods. JRob was literally on the sled the day Woods was announced the starter. After an impressive preseason game by Woods and a poor one by Sylvester, Sylvester became the starter. Did JRob get flack or his pride hurt seeing Woods not Sylvester play well? Did Strunk call and say why'd we spend 7 mil on a backup? We don't know what happened but it's been curious all season. We don't know if JRob and Mularkey or just Mularkey is behind the odd fascination with Dodd. Avery has had some issues this year and was recently the top rated LB by PFF for week 13. They lost Cyprien and think more highly of him than I do. Lebeau has made it work no matter what happened. 

When you compare O and D and ST it's pretty brutal how much better Lebeau runs his ship than the other two. 

We know they had an emergency meeting to discuss fan attendance being poor and that the next game attendance was way up. As I said then, Strunk and Moustache have to be aware of profit and loss. The NFL is based largely on it's star players. The Titans have done a fantastic job at getting "good guys" on the roster, being charitable, and involved in the community. I think it's Murray's struggles, not switching to Henry, and Mariota's struggles. They have not given the fans a guy to root for. Delanie has made a few comments that indicate his fan base has been higher than ever. I think this is also because there is no QB or RB for the fans to adore. Die hard fans don't like when it's widdled down to QB and RB play but my goodness it's true. The far larger group of fans that casually watch the team are fascinated by the QB and RB. On D probably some DB that intercepts or someone that gets sacks. The game is real simple for them.

I think Henry/Murray issues will fix itself next year and Henry will beat him out. His offseason was fantastic this year and it seems reasonable for this to happen.

In a zillion different ways, getting Mariota fixed is the solution- to the O, to the fans in seats, to the fans buying stuff, wins and losses....everything. JRob does an end of season interview with all staff members as many GMs do. I think Mularkey (and others) had better have the right answer as to how to fix Mariota. Every other mistake may be tolerable or viewed as just a mistake by JRob and Strunk but Mariota is the whole key. 

I keep saying it but-Helfrich visited the facility before and after his interview with U of Tennessee. He visited in the spring and during camp. Mariota paid airfare and hotel (but he wouldn't accept payment for his time) for Helfrich to be near Oregon with him and in Hawaii for weeks with him. Surely JRob and Mularkey first met him like "hey thanks for working with our boy. You love Marcus, we love Marcus too!" Surely the camp visit was to just see how he progressed. I'm dying to know though what it was like when he visited a few weeks ago. The landscape changed with Marcus' struggles and the O struggling. Did JRob see him and think here's a guy that can fix MM8 and had him humming in college and this past offseason? Four visits from a former college coach is not normal but the visits can all be explained with the broken leg rehab and coaching interview. It could be nothing related to the Titans staff, but it is very hmmmmm
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TL;DR Wha?

;)

 
Bri said:
Robiskie, but I don't know on Mularkey. 

8-8 isn't bad in the context of that they've been worst in the NFL recently. 
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Not winning the division when the other teams are starting Brissett, Bortles and Tom freaking Savage is criminal.  

 
Spin said:
Not winning the division when the other teams are starting Brissett, Bortles and Tom freaking Savage is criminal.  
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Would Browns fans say that if they were in this situation?

I want a new coach and have posted a zillion issues with Mularkey. Acting like they're a team that always qualifies for the playoffs or is always good isn't what they were. They were a smidge better than the Browns, the lowly Browns. If you said we're gonna give you the second pick and I want you to make the playoffs in two years, that would be a bit much for a team that has had nearly 90% roster turnover wouldn't it? Mularkey had some plan when he interviewed after being interim coach. I doubt it was two years. Since he has a three year contract, I imagine it was three.

Moustache and Strunk are not football fans but business people. If we wanna guess if Mularkey is going to be fired by them, we're gonna have to try and pretend to think like them. Mariota (or lack of offensive star) and fans in seats is a loss of $. That would obviously be a negative. This is not firing a coach that won 1-3 games.

Lebeau is year to year and they sorely need him to remain next year. If they blow up the offensive side of the ball and get a new HC and ST coach, does he stay? 

Jim Schwartz would, almost without question...whatever high wording ya like, be the favorite for HC. He lives in Tennessee and worked out of the Titans facility for the NFL til he took the Eagles job and he is a close friend of JRob's and others within the organization. He was one of the ones to recommend JRob to Moustache. The Eagles D is much improved. Everything fits so super well there that any other coach suggestion would probably not measure up. Hiring him would most assuredly mean that Lebeau is gone.

I  saw McDaniels suggested but I've read nothing of he and JRob. I saw O'Brien suggested (yep) and what's he done to warrant the job? Gruden wants all this control that I don't figure JRob is about to give up. Some don't like Schwartz and bring up issues with the Lions. McAdoo? cmon

When JRob makes a decision he will also have to have some replacements in mind that he wants to coach this team. Right now, the market looks bleh.

Cowher always seems to leave the door open a crack. He'll follow up every quote that he's not coaching again with something that leaves it open a crack. Here's a deep roster with a staff of some people he knows well. I imagine JRob would hire him in a second and fire Mularkey.

I want Mularkey gone but there has to be some candidate or two to catch JRob's eye too

 
Bri said:
Would Browns fans say that if they were in this situation?
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Yes, if they had Mariota, were in the AFC south, (which for the last few years has been terrible) the other top two qbs in the division are done (Watson and Luck).

Bri, do you feel this team is underperforming, or just not as talented as everyone thought going into this season? If they're underperforming, is that on personnel or coach?

 
Spin said:
Yes, if they had Mariota, were in the AFC south, (which for the last few years has been terrible) the other top two qbs in the division are done (Watson and Luck).

Bri, do you feel this team is underperforming, or just not as talented as everyone thought going into this season? If they're underperforming, is that on personnel or coach?
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Definitely underperforming and I'm definitely unhappy but there isn't a Tennessee writer predicting Mularkey's gone. I think it's time for people to ask why that is.

Not a lot of coaches that turn a 2 win team to a .500 team get fired.

The O stinks and while he has a big hand in the offense, I could see the blame going onto the OC. The QB play has been yuck, regardless of who, so the Titans QB coach could be blamed. 

Strunk and JRob have not been very public the last couple months so it is possible their opinion of Mularkey soured, but they were the ones always supporting him. My guess would be one more year which matches his contract too

 
Bri said:
Definitely underperforming and I'm definitely unhappy but there isn't a Tennessee writer predicting Mularkey's gone. I think it's time for people to ask why that is.

Not a lot of coaches that turn a 2 win team to a .500 team get fired.

The O stinks and while he has a big hand in the offense, I could see the blame going onto the OC. The QB play has been yuck, regardless of who, so the Titans QB coach could be blamed. 

Strunk and JRob have not been very public the last couple months so it is possible their opinion of Mularkey soured, but they were the ones always supporting him. My guess would be one more year which matches his contract too.
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He didn't take a 2 win team to .500.  That 2014 team had Zach Mettenberger at qb.  Mularky took over halfway through the 2015 season in which they went 3-13, with Andrews at RB and old man Douglas trying to be a wr1 again, or the oft-injured Wright.  And then gained Murray and Mathews and an oline that was somehow able to mask the weak inside guards and went to 9 - 7.  This team is very very far removed from that 2 win team, and Mularky shouldn't get any credit for that.  He barely did any better than Whisenhunt did in that 2015 season. And Whis was terrible.

 
Spin said:
He didn't take a 2 win team to .500.  That 2014 team had Zach Mettenberger at qb.  Mularky took over halfway through the 2015 season in which they went 3-13, with Andrews at RB and old man Douglas trying to be a wr1 again, or the oft-injured Wright.  And then gained Murray and Mathews and an oline that was somehow able to mask the weak inside guards and went to 9 - 7.  This team is very very far removed from that 2 win team, and Mularky shouldn't get any credit for that.  He barely did any better than Whisenhunt did in that 2015 season. And Whis was terrible.
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fine three win

 
Spin said:
He didn't take a 2 win team to .500.  That 2014 team had Zach Mettenberger at qb.  Mularky took over halfway through the 2015 season in which they went 3-13, with Andrews at RB and old man Douglas trying to be a wr1 again, or the oft-injured Wright.  And then gained Murray and Mathews and an oline that was somehow able to mask the weak inside guards and went to 9 - 7.  This team is very very far removed from that 2 win team, and Mularky shouldn't get any credit for that.  He barely did any better than Whisenhunt did in that 2015 season. And Whis was terrible.
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Why wouldn't he get credit? and blame? He was the assistant head coach and tight end coach. He kept some staff members (upgraded from Lebeau's pupil to Lebeau eventually) including Whis' offensive coordinator who is now the QB coach. He's been a big part of it all. He was a proponent of the switch to 3-4 and has said so several times. Once they got here and realized the talent, he was the man that Whis scripted the multiple TE offense with. They still use the 2 and 3 TE offense. 

He got them over the hump, no doubt with JRob's picks and some questionable free agents. They are in every game and no longer getting kicked every week. I surely remember how easy it was to beat the Titans and how one deep pass could break their back at any second. 

It's totally reasonable to say he can't get them "to the promised land." His coaching record does not support this at all. He did however "fix" them from a 2 and 3 win team to a .500ish team. 

I can't stand how he handles rookies and player development and think he is a confidence crusher. I can't stand how he dances from it's his O to Robiskie's O when it's convenient. I can't stand how some players are given nine-lives while others are held in some normal light. The cujones he had (at the time) to start UDFA Andrews over 2nd round Sankey and (oddly lauded) 3rd or 4th rounder Cobb was a good move. He seems to have lost that nerve and replaced it with affection for players. Belichick adores players too but he's all business when it comes to subs and cuts. Mularkey can't walk that line well at all. 

How he insists upon players being good guys, dependable, and accountable- I very much applaud that. That was the attitude change the team oh so sorely needed.

Fowler is a good example. He cut Fowler who was the top rated FB the last two years and the team averages 5.8 ypc behind him all while the running game struggles. Better coaches would have adjusted the O to suit strengths and/or simply used him more. 

I think he got them over the hump and they need a new coach to propel them further. I don't think they get that til 2019 and 2018 will be a new OC and QB coach. Maybe an OC with his eyes on coaching in 2019.

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As far as his release, I have called and emailed the Titans and been told no comment. It is still not officially announced on their site, ESPN, or NFL. I emailed NFLMedia and haven't heard back which is odd. I contacted some friends who struck out finding out why. IDK what is up.  I want to assume JRob somehow blocked it but it's probably that he has an injury so the NFLPA jumped in. It's curious though

 
This might be a good week for news. It appears several reporters have also stayed on the west coast.

Lewan's back should be fine "Lot of soaks." Marcus will be playing hurt. Hit in the knee while sliding, tape sent to NFL for review

 
Trent Taylor is a good little bugger in the slot. He's gonna be on your FF radar next year for sure. 

He's how the Titans should have used Kendall and how the Bears should. 8 million one cut routes from the slot, with his speed he'll be open often enough- not every time but often enough. Very simple, repetitive, and annoying for a D. He'd make a good Patriot.

 
 In an Insider piece, GMs and Coaches all said about the same thing- treating Mariota like a jalopy when he's a rolls royce. 

One GM said if JRob isn't careful, his mentor will wind up with Mariota and SEVERAL said it could happen. 

Greg Cosell interview this week was great as usual

 
Over here, MM8 thread...

Cosell spoke of Fowler. Wrote a bunch in other thread. Other thing he said was Fowler's agent let the word out that he was looking to take time off. Zero question he'll be picked up. Teams are discussing contracts with his agent. The host said he was announced as signing with Seattle. Cosell said, that's surprising. I really didn't expect that and there's been a lot of discussion on him this week. 

Later, it was that Fowler fired his agent.

It's somewhat cloudy what happened there

 
Bri said:
 In an Insider piece, GMs and Coaches all said about the same thing- treating Mariota like a jalopy when he's a rolls royce. 

One GM said if JRob isn't careful, his mentor will wind up with Mariota and SEVERAL said it could happen. 

Greg Cosell interview this week was great as usual
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 Doesn't seem likely. Anything is possible I guess.

 
ESPN ranked Titans 2017 draft 28th and PFF ranked Mariota as 10th best QB

There are a dozen or so stats a year that don't make sense to me by PFF and that's one of them. 

ESPNs is based on production and does make some sense. Davis hasn't been anything like college or week one. Taylor hasn't been anything like the summer and first couple weeks. Jonnu doesn't have much in the way of stats. 

 
I was hung up on the 70+% snaps with 7 linemen and looking at both 2017 and 2016 game pass. I'm just picking random plays and clicking. It does seem accurate.

2016 often times had Conklin with Fasano and Lewan without TE help. This year it's Walker with Conklin and Jonnu with Lewan. 

Remember Cosell pointed this out and that it's essentially 2 WRs versus 5-7 defenders making Mariota's job to either force it or take a hit and really difficult choices.

2015 saw poor RT play and a TE often near the RT. That makes sense.

I really don't get how Mularkey and co developed an offense with a 2016 pro bowler and all pro at T and decided they needed more help. 

 
Bri said:
ESPN ranked Titans 2017 draft 28th and PFF ranked Mariota as 10th best QB

There are a dozen or so stats a year that don't make sense to me by PFF and that's one of them. 

ESPNs is based on production and does make some sense. Davis hasn't been anything like college or week one. Taylor hasn't been anything like the summer and first couple weeks. Jonnu doesn't have much in the way of stats. 
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The odd part isn't so much listing Mariota as a top 10 QB. I think he is for everything he brings. But he isn't showing that level in stats by any stretch this year. 

The rooks haven't done squat other than Jackson. Obviously ranking a draft after 13 games is foolhardy. 

 
Don't think the Titans have any chance of making the playoffs now after the loss to SF. The Rams and the Jags will combine for over a hundred points on them the next two weeks. Fire everyone.

 
I think the Titans probably make the playoffs. Jags will sit people the last week so that's one W. 9-7 looks like it'll be a wildcard. If they beat the Rams (couldn't be less hopeful) then they most likely make it at 10-6.

I'm not sure how I feel. I really don't want them to make it today, bitter after a loss.

 It seems from many fans that NOT making the playoffs means Mularkey is gone. The writers are not leaning that way. I want whatever it takes to make Robiskie gone and JRob have to give Mularkey "what for."

There is some feeling like "nice fan I am, wishing they lose" but they haven't done anything to make the fan in me happy and I know a loss is a means toward change. 

I'm also a bit afraid of JRob's self-evaluation. All fans pretty much expect additions and "no one" considers subtractions/losses that aren't obvious. Avery has been great the last couple weeks- highest rated by PFF recently. We "can't" let him walk. They need depth, even if it's putting him in a camp battle. Woodyard is old regardless of him playing like he's young. Kline is a free agent that hasn't performed well. By PFF Spain has gone from two great years to a yuck year. The whole team stunk at times, I ain't ready to lose Spain. In addition to Kline, I don't want them looking for two Gs. I want Kline pushed to backup battling Schwenke in camp. What is with Derrick Morgan's knee? They've been "criminally" quiet about it. If we're planning then I sure don't want Erik Walden for a season. A fill-in ugh fine, but not really. Decker has been good and yuck and good again. We dealt with the growing pains, I want him next year when he's comfy. If Davis and Taywan beat him out, so be it. Daquan has been good this year. He ought to be re-signed like he's earned it and not some cheapo deal but ordinary. Maybe he's a backup but...again we need good backups. Soooo nervous of JRob's tinkering creating new holes that aren't there. I truly sincerely feel this is a good team and coaches are at fault far far moreso than players.

My thoughts going toward next year lately, I just feel like this season is done. If they qualify mathematically, I guess I'll get excited again but I'm pretty bummed now

 
Bri said:
I think the Titans probably make the playoffs. Jags will sit people the last week so that's one W. 9-7 looks like it'll be a wildcard. If they beat the Rams (couldn't be less hopeful) then they most likely make it at 10-6.

I'm not sure how I feel. I really don't want them to make it today, bitter after a loss.

 It seems from many fans that NOT making the playoffs means Mularkey is gone. The writers are not leaning that way. I want whatever it takes to make Robiskie gone and JRob have to give Mularkey "what for."

There is some feeling like "nice fan I am, wishing they lose" but they haven't done anything to make the fan in me happy and I know a loss is a means toward change. 

I'm also a bit afraid of JRob's self-evaluation. All fans pretty much expect additions and "no one" considers subtractions/losses that aren't obvious. Avery has been great the last couple weeks- highest rated by PFF recently. We "can't" let him walk. They need depth, even if it's putting him in a camp battle. Woodyard is old regardless of him playing like he's young. Kline is a free agent that hasn't performed well. By PFF Spain has gone from two great years to a yuck year. The whole team stunk at times, I ain't ready to lose Spain. In addition to Kline, I don't want them looking for two Gs. I want Kline pushed to backup battling Schwenke in camp. What is with Derrick Morgan's knee? They've been "criminally" quiet about it. If we're planning then I sure don't want Erik Walden for a season. A fill-in ugh fine, but not really. Decker has been good and yuck and good again. We dealt with the growing pains, I want him next year when he's comfy. If Davis and Taywan beat him out, so be it. Daquan has been good this year. He ought to be re-signed like he's earned it and not some cheapo deal but ordinary. Maybe he's a backup but...again we need good backups. Soooo nervous of JRob's tinkering creating new holes that aren't there. I truly sincerely feel this is a good team and coaches are at fault far far moreso than players.

My thoughts going toward next year lately, I just feel like this season is done. If they qualify mathematically, I guess I'll get excited again but I'm pretty bummed now
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I honestly can't see the Titans beat the Rams after scoring 135 points the past four weeks  (five weeks ago they were embarrassed by the Vikes and only scored 7).

Unfortunately no way our D does that well...

Now should we get in that would likely be as the sixth seed, setting up a rematch of the week 17 game with Jax, only this time with a full team...

 
Titans playoff hopes

Punch to the gut- Leshaun Sims pulled hamstring badly may be out for the year

Right cross- Ryan's hurt ankle may keep him out this week

Foot stomp- Karl Klug pulled groin, see if he can go, not hopeful but he's a warrior.

Phew, that's it, oh no surprise uppercut- Kalan Reed will be the starter opposite Adoree if Ryan and Sims can't go

what a day!

 
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