Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Titans 2018 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Bri
- Start date
I guess I'd be okay with Lamar backing up Mariota... a lot coming out since the presser. JRob probably wisely stirred this up and isn't interested but...fascinating.
Rudolph is the coveted QB of the very good teams. Pittsburgh and New England really really like him. Jackson (has replaced Mayfield as this) is the guy that falls through the cracks.
It's what I've been saying- 6 QBs is a lot for one round and in round one that could mean six that are top priority adds.
Both knocked the interviews out of the park. PK was probably (in a way) showing off that he was the only one to know they met with both.
Most of my friends expect a trade and if not then a safety to be selected. The top S and Byard would then alternate positions each play and make it more difficult to diagnose.
Expect the Titans to trade up for Oren Burks. I didn't hear the interviews but apparently JRob kept mentioning his name over and over. I mentioned him earlier. They have met with him FIVE times and some say six. Everywhere he is a curious player that has glowing reviews but then a fourth or fifth round grade...umm which is it?
I have three friends that predict Morgan will be traded. 3 or 4 think Spain will.
I heard the end of an interesting discussion. I missed who they were speaking of and...much of it. But Oz,et anyone, if the backs are big in AFCSouth and a team wanted a bigger ILB to match, who would that be?
Rudolph is the coveted QB of the very good teams. Pittsburgh and New England really really like him. Jackson (has replaced Mayfield as this) is the guy that falls through the cracks.
It's what I've been saying- 6 QBs is a lot for one round and in round one that could mean six that are top priority adds.
Both knocked the interviews out of the park. PK was probably (in a way) showing off that he was the only one to know they met with both.
Most of my friends expect a trade and if not then a safety to be selected. The top S and Byard would then alternate positions each play and make it more difficult to diagnose.
Expect the Titans to trade up for Oren Burks. I didn't hear the interviews but apparently JRob kept mentioning his name over and over. I mentioned him earlier. They have met with him FIVE times and some say six. Everywhere he is a curious player that has glowing reviews but then a fourth or fifth round grade...umm which is it?
I have three friends that predict Morgan will be traded. 3 or 4 think Spain will.
I heard the end of an interesting discussion. I missed who they were speaking of and...much of it. But Oz,et anyone, if the backs are big in AFCSouth and a team wanted a bigger ILB to match, who would that be?
-OZ-
Footballguy
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
maybe maybe. Interesting discussion this morning- why didn't you write an article on it? Why would I if they aren't going to draft one? The story would be later and then I have this for the buildup. What if they do draft a QB? Well then I guess this will seem late. Why skip it then? I haven't written an article on them drafting any other position....on and on
I'm going with what I said a couple months ago when it was Mayfield and Jackson falling- he wants second rounders and the teams that need QBs have the multiple seconds.
that's a fair point
***************
Ya know I don't think the Titans should draft one that early but one could make a pretty good argument for it, especially sticking within the division where good young QBs are oddly prevalent.
The Titans have repeatedly stunk when Mariota gets hurt. Luckily it's been for only a few games each year.
The Texans looked great and Watson looked like an MVP and then Watson got hurt and oof.
Bortles got awfully bad fast. He lit us up for a few hundred each game and then the next year he just stunk. They rebuilt him and I imagine that's partially because the backup QBs in free agency are a bunch of retread Browns and Bills castoffs.
I don't wholly understand why Luck has been injured so long and how there could be doubt about him in 2018. I just don't know the shoulder well enough. My brain works like this injury requires X amount of time so at X amount of time he should return. The NFL has access to the best docs and surgeons so this generally doesn't happen and...idk
*************
Gabbert is gonna take them to the Supe sounds a smidge more believable than Cassel will take them to the Supe
************
I think this should lend to a third rounder. Maybe if they love Rudolph and he didn't fly up draft rankings, he'd still be a second and they could do that. Especially with multiple seconds from a trade down. That would seem reasonable- ya got extra picks, get the QB you want rather than waiting a round.
************
Jackson is falling now because NFL GMs don't necessarily believe in athletic QBs and/or believe their team and offense is best suited for a pocket QB. Vick had a short career where he was good, RGB, Randall had to about be reborn many years after Philly, Pryor isn't even a QB anymore, Kordell had a brief career where he was good- the impact is great but it's short lived where as some of the pocket guys last a decade or more. My prob with this is that they're leaving out 90% of the pocket guys that get cut or become career backups and only mentioning the gems. The success rate on drafting QBs is awful. Jackson has the it factor, everyone seems to love the guy after meeting him, and clearly he's a superb athlete. I think teams are just setting themself up for regret if they're only shying away because he's athletic.
All the mocks started with the Titans taking an obvious edge guy or ILB
JRob has said previously that Vander Esch won't be there when they pick. There was also this sentiment from many mocks that they needed a redo about this time. Most of the name LBs or Edge guys were going just before the Titans so they'd get pigeon holed with a WR, S, or T.
Now we're back to the obvious LBs and it's come full circle.
From afar, I can tell the Titans love
Oren Burks who is a solid third round grade now- from 6th
the top two safeties- Minkah and James
JRob's love for Shaq I mentioned previously.
Vea, big DT not expected to be anywhere near their pick
LB Edge- Vander Esch and Evans have a real confident comfy vibe like 100% they'd draft em' if they're there. Sweat seems to have their fascination like the three above.
WRs- Colorado State guy, Washington, and Moore- all reasonable seconds with 1st to third round grades
**********
Sam Hubbard was never coached by Vrabel in college. His and JRob's comments sound disinterested and I'll yell at my screen "you're lying." When they talk of the player it's praise. I'm very not sure on him.
**************
Isaiah Wynn is a G/T that was a second rounder, even third. Now he's in the first in some mocks. There's another guard primary, tackle second type whose name I can't think of. JRob is matter of fact the way he speaks of them. Not praise, not insult, no emotion, just like yep they're good. I can't gauge that either.
***********
Multiple seconds seems what he wants and I think he's done a good job of telling the world he does, without actually saying it. I think they'll take Burks or Shaq a round early if they get multiples- too much love there, reasonable to get "your guy" a round early. Gallop's ADP is fluctuating every day which is really weird and probably indicative of the top WR being a poor route runner and the next three being good route runners and ready to rock. Depending where, they seem to want a WR and S in round two also.
************
This would mean no edge or not an edge til it's later and developmental. We'll see how this plays out. Dorrance is the only 2nd rounder I see them interested in and it seems like they only like the first round edges or UDFAs. They can wait a year. There's no rush for the OLBs and DaQuan did improve last year. See what Austin and Dodd can do? Not sure what's going on but this is just me guessing on their interest so I don't want to overanalyze
*************
Morgan trade talk is pretty strong in my circle. Consensus is a third. (Previous) It probably has to be that they picked an OLB and then trade him though
JRob has said previously that Vander Esch won't be there when they pick. There was also this sentiment from many mocks that they needed a redo about this time. Most of the name LBs or Edge guys were going just before the Titans so they'd get pigeon holed with a WR, S, or T.
Now we're back to the obvious LBs and it's come full circle.
From afar, I can tell the Titans love
Oren Burks who is a solid third round grade now- from 6th
the top two safeties- Minkah and James
JRob's love for Shaq I mentioned previously.
Vea, big DT not expected to be anywhere near their pick
LB Edge- Vander Esch and Evans have a real confident comfy vibe like 100% they'd draft em' if they're there. Sweat seems to have their fascination like the three above.
WRs- Colorado State guy, Washington, and Moore- all reasonable seconds with 1st to third round grades
**********
Sam Hubbard was never coached by Vrabel in college. His and JRob's comments sound disinterested and I'll yell at my screen "you're lying." When they talk of the player it's praise. I'm very not sure on him.
**************
Isaiah Wynn is a G/T that was a second rounder, even third. Now he's in the first in some mocks. There's another guard primary, tackle second type whose name I can't think of. JRob is matter of fact the way he speaks of them. Not praise, not insult, no emotion, just like yep they're good. I can't gauge that either.
***********
Multiple seconds seems what he wants and I think he's done a good job of telling the world he does, without actually saying it. I think they'll take Burks or Shaq a round early if they get multiples- too much love there, reasonable to get "your guy" a round early. Gallop's ADP is fluctuating every day which is really weird and probably indicative of the top WR being a poor route runner and the next three being good route runners and ready to rock. Depending where, they seem to want a WR and S in round two also.
************
This would mean no edge or not an edge til it's later and developmental. We'll see how this plays out. Dorrance is the only 2nd rounder I see them interested in and it seems like they only like the first round edges or UDFAs. They can wait a year. There's no rush for the OLBs and DaQuan did improve last year. See what Austin and Dodd can do? Not sure what's going on but this is just me guessing on their interest so I don't want to overanalyze
*************
Morgan trade talk is pretty strong in my circle. Consensus is a third. (Previous) It probably has to be that they picked an OLB and then trade him though
Vrabel presser, 2nd day of minicamp, no presser yesterday
Instilling system- 10-15 plays on D/ 10-15 runs, 10-15 passes on O
watched last year's offseason since it's on tape, using that to analyze players not so much concerned with Mularkey or how he did things. Extra tool to evaluate.
a lot of 'we ran this but it was called that' so they're adjusting play call names.
some evaluation discussions with JRob, what he saw on tape, live, and may adjust some for draft "last minute"
actively involved with linebackers, much time spent there. Will be involved with special teams. Wants to be involved with offense and will but right now LBs
may not be the best 90 but it'll be the right 90, same with 53. Mentioned new Gs, gotta be professional, meeting rooms blah blah important to add professional players was gist of it
everyone wants to try and be perfect...but on a football play, we gotta know what to do and play fast and aggressive.
doesn't care how players got there, glad they're there
our job is to teach, develop, and inspire. Drill and inspire them enough so they have confidence to do their job
Instilling system- 10-15 plays on D/ 10-15 runs, 10-15 passes on O
watched last year's offseason since it's on tape, using that to analyze players not so much concerned with Mularkey or how he did things. Extra tool to evaluate.
a lot of 'we ran this but it was called that' so they're adjusting play call names.
some evaluation discussions with JRob, what he saw on tape, live, and may adjust some for draft "last minute"
actively involved with linebackers, much time spent there. Will be involved with special teams. Wants to be involved with offense and will but right now LBs
may not be the best 90 but it'll be the right 90, same with 53. Mentioned new Gs, gotta be professional, meeting rooms blah blah important to add professional players was gist of it
everyone wants to try and be perfect...but on a football play, we gotta know what to do and play fast and aggressive.
doesn't care how players got there, glad they're there
our job is to teach, develop, and inspire. Drill and inspire them enough so they have confidence to do their job
(Again limited plays, above)
Rushing offense same, minus one TE, almost identical
passing O far quicker
ILBs not aggressive, displeased. Doesn't care if walk through, have to be there asap and we weren't.
DEs poor positioning which Lewan took credit for
Woods starting nose, OL same
G whose name I can't spell got a lot more reps than he expected- no idea instead of who
Not much from lockerroom reporters
Rushing offense same, minus one TE, almost identical
passing O far quicker
ILBs not aggressive, displeased. Doesn't care if walk through, have to be there asap and we weren't.
DEs poor positioning which Lewan took credit for
Woods starting nose, OL same
G whose name I can't spell got a lot more reps than he expected- no idea instead of who
Not much from lockerroom reporters
-OZ-
Footballguy
Don't know about the Panthers but Evans would have fit in NE pretty well I think.
I'm fairly happy with the pick.
Evans was a five star recruit out of high school, any team would have wanted him. There are years there are no 5 star recruits, it is rare. (Like everything else in this trophy for playing era of kids sports, there are more now than in the past but it is still very rare)
Disciplined, awesome burst as a pass rush move. He can play ILB or OLB and did so at Alabama because Reuben Foster was there.
He was the guy Vrabel was into at his pro day and then left the drills to follow him around. We knew there was strong interest there.
Disciplined, awesome burst as a pass rush move. He can play ILB or OLB and did so at Alabama because Reuben Foster was there.
He was the guy Vrabel was into at his pro day and then left the drills to follow him around. We knew there was strong interest there.
The top TE didn't get picked, Goedert. Gotta wonder if the Titans pick him if a guy with a first round grade is still available when they pick. JRob was with the Pats when they did the Hernandez Gronk stuff that people said wouldn't work and when they drafted a TE every year. Super unlikely but you shouldn't be looking at the top TE in the second. That he lined up as a FB and WR in college could be just enough to entice JRob
Landry was a common predraft pick so I could see them trading up for him. To land Landry and Evans would make this a super draft by JRob with the rest almost not mattering at all.
Dorance Armstrong is a heavy favorite and has been for a while. He dropped to a third or fourth round grade but was a second for "forever."
Ogbo and James Washington they showed interest in
The quality of guards dipped. With the free agent guards, I don't think they draft one now. It'd be hard for a draftee to make the team at this point. It almost had to be a first rounder.
Radio by me mentions Morgan. I literally argued with someone on the phone who said "he is not available, you're crazy" as the radio in the background mentioned it. Titans reporters love him and won't admit this so....we'll see
Rudolph being a ton better than anyone in the third has to be another head scratcher for JRob. If he is somehow available, JRob might have to take him. He is 20-25 points higher than everyone else on ESPNs rankings and they only go up to 100. JRob would really have to be OK with a third rounder to pass on Rudolph. Highly doubtful he is there.
I think Daniels, Landry, Goedert, and Rudolph are who teams trade up to get. Expect a ton of trades with so many teams having more than one second.
Landry was a common predraft pick so I could see them trading up for him. To land Landry and Evans would make this a super draft by JRob with the rest almost not mattering at all.
Dorance Armstrong is a heavy favorite and has been for a while. He dropped to a third or fourth round grade but was a second for "forever."
Ogbo and James Washington they showed interest in
The quality of guards dipped. With the free agent guards, I don't think they draft one now. It'd be hard for a draftee to make the team at this point. It almost had to be a first rounder.
Radio by me mentions Morgan. I literally argued with someone on the phone who said "he is not available, you're crazy" as the radio in the background mentioned it. Titans reporters love him and won't admit this so....we'll see
Rudolph being a ton better than anyone in the third has to be another head scratcher for JRob. If he is somehow available, JRob might have to take him. He is 20-25 points higher than everyone else on ESPNs rankings and they only go up to 100. JRob would really have to be OK with a third rounder to pass on Rudolph. Highly doubtful he is there.
I think Daniels, Landry, Goedert, and Rudolph are who teams trade up to get. Expect a ton of trades with so many teams having more than one second.
I've been happy they added two first rounders. I'm a little bummed with the idea that they only added one guy for 2018. How much is Landry gonna play?
5th and two 6ths probably wind up on the practice squad.
Oren Burks went already to the Pack. Clearly the 5th round grade was wrong on him.
Antonio Callaway has gotten way pushed down for smoking a joint. I'm not sure if that's proper in today's world with marijuana legalization.
Tre Flowers, 6-3 safety from OK State, has a 5th-7th round grade and I like him for depth. I like the idea of having a taller guy for certain times
5th and two 6ths probably wind up on the practice squad.
Oren Burks went already to the Pack. Clearly the 5th round grade was wrong on him.
Antonio Callaway has gotten way pushed down for smoking a joint. I'm not sure if that's proper in today's world with marijuana legalization.
Tre Flowers, 6-3 safety from OK State, has a 5th-7th round grade and I like him for depth. I like the idea of having a taller guy for certain times
Vrabel's Landry presser I didn't type up here.
He basically said everyone is a starter, everyone will compete.
He mentioned Carraway and some have said he seems to have taken a liking to him. He was an excellent student last year so that the coach likes him while teaching probably was expected.
He basically said everyone is a starter, everyone will compete.
He mentioned Carraway and some have said he seems to have taken a liking to him. He was an excellent student last year so that the coach likes him while teaching probably was expected.
I like the OK St Tre Flowers better. Grumpy that Ogbo went so late and they didn't try to trade and get him. It can't be that hard to get a 5th. Huge huge drop for him during this. First rounder, second rounder predraft for the co-defensive poy and then ...all the way down to wow 5th.
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Luke Falk. Competition for Gabbert.
NREC34
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
couple UDFAs
Damon Webb was expected months ago.
Larry Rose III I know of. He was name by me in high school. He is an OMG genius defensive player. He played LB, supposedly, but lined up deeper than the safeties or on a WR like a corner, sometimes on the DL. His ability to read a play was so exceptional.
I lost track of him. He was an excellent runner but the guy was thin and I didn't at all see college RB for him. Yesterday I was reading and watching videos. He is still thin like in high school. 175-185 the coach said on one video. That's beyond the normal "you're gonna get crushed in the NFL" type weight. Apparently, he turned down offers to be a defensive back in college and no one wanted him as a runner until New Mexico State came in last minute. I can't believe no one would. The guy was 2 or 3 time state champion and (Derrick Henry aside) one of the best HS players ya ever saw. No one said they'd put weight on him or some such? That's so odd. He used to be on the news for doing charity work so I assume the HS kid grew up and became a good guy. The videos seem to support he's still a nice nice guy.
Anywho....outstanding football player. His videos of him running are excellent. He developed perfectly. Looks like there's nothing he doesn't do well. It still comes back to the weight though. He's as frail looking as can be.
Nick DeLuca's name was a total surprise. How did he not get drafted? How do you get an all american as a UDFA? He was a finalist for that top LB award more than once. An absolute steal for the Titans. I bet he had 32 invites. I haven't watched a thing on him. I remember him on predraft shows and those LB award segments. He's a hard nosed tough sonofa LB transplanted from 1960 to today's NFL. I don't know if he's fast enough, gotta watch and read up more. I'll already predict that he's the UDFA Vrabel falls in love with though. The coaches always seem to have at least one and... geesh if it isn't him I'll be shocked.
Damon Webb was expected months ago.
Larry Rose III I know of. He was name by me in high school. He is an OMG genius defensive player. He played LB, supposedly, but lined up deeper than the safeties or on a WR like a corner, sometimes on the DL. His ability to read a play was so exceptional.
I lost track of him. He was an excellent runner but the guy was thin and I didn't at all see college RB for him. Yesterday I was reading and watching videos. He is still thin like in high school. 175-185 the coach said on one video. That's beyond the normal "you're gonna get crushed in the NFL" type weight. Apparently, he turned down offers to be a defensive back in college and no one wanted him as a runner until New Mexico State came in last minute. I can't believe no one would. The guy was 2 or 3 time state champion and (Derrick Henry aside) one of the best HS players ya ever saw. No one said they'd put weight on him or some such? That's so odd. He used to be on the news for doing charity work so I assume the HS kid grew up and became a good guy. The videos seem to support he's still a nice nice guy.
Anywho....outstanding football player. His videos of him running are excellent. He developed perfectly. Looks like there's nothing he doesn't do well. It still comes back to the weight though. He's as frail looking as can be.
Nick DeLuca's name was a total surprise. How did he not get drafted? How do you get an all american as a UDFA? He was a finalist for that top LB award more than once. An absolute steal for the Titans. I bet he had 32 invites. I haven't watched a thing on him. I remember him on predraft shows and those LB award segments. He's a hard nosed tough sonofa LB transplanted from 1960 to today's NFL. I don't know if he's fast enough, gotta watch and read up more. I'll already predict that he's the UDFA Vrabel falls in love with though. The coaches always seem to have at least one and... geesh if it isn't him I'll be shocked.
The Titans are taking a different approach to rookie minicamp. While the rookies will learn a lot of the offense and defense, the offense will focus on slot WR and scatback RB roles and the defense will focus on the LBs and the third safeties' role. The thinking is that both the team and the player would benefit more from having a focused approach. The bulk of the playbook will be given to them, but they're expected to be overwhelmed, return home, study, and come back well prepared.
LaFleur expects one of the three UDFA RBs to make the roster and have a key role and this was a plan before the draft. After trading away so many picks, they were thrilled to get all three RBs that they targeted- Dawkins, Rose III, and Wadley. They are all small and thin, exceptional athletes, that had gaudy stats in college especially for a guy supposedly too small or too thin.
The UDFA WRs are all short quick fast types that were obviously signed with the slot in mind.
The backs will get enough carries up the middle, the WRs will line up all over, for whatever is needed to suit teaching the defense but that'll be it. The Titans were not pleased (on film I guess) with how the slot was defended other than Ryan. The Titans well-known failure to stop the deep pass was also mentioned. Previously, in the veterans walk through not a walk through camp, Vrabel was displeased with positioning and angles. Good luck catching one of those backs without being aware of angles. So there's a lot that meshes up real well and it will be more focused than in previous years.
LaFleur also explained that the rookie will get third down work and the team has high hopes for Henry. Fluellen will be Henry's backup and play FB. Lewis will be the backup to everything and capable of everything but he noted keeping him healthy is an issue. Henry, Lewis, and Fluellen could see time as a FB on third downs-they could catch, run, or pickup the blitz from that spot while the scat back does his thing.
He would like to keep six backs but probably can only keep five. During prior years, it was four.
Ferguson and Falk will be the QBs.
It is either a very clever plan- to plan on a UDFA RB or risky. Oddly enough, Lewis provides some security here as he could be the scat back if these guys don't pan out. It is also early enough that they could add another back if those three don't pan out. It seems like a calculated risk to create a diverse backfield while the downside is minimal- at worst, they become about what we all expected anyway- Henry, Lewis, Fluellen.
As in the previous years (going back to Fish even) every one can and will play the slot at some point.
LaFleur expects one of the three UDFA RBs to make the roster and have a key role and this was a plan before the draft. After trading away so many picks, they were thrilled to get all three RBs that they targeted- Dawkins, Rose III, and Wadley. They are all small and thin, exceptional athletes, that had gaudy stats in college especially for a guy supposedly too small or too thin.
The UDFA WRs are all short quick fast types that were obviously signed with the slot in mind.
The backs will get enough carries up the middle, the WRs will line up all over, for whatever is needed to suit teaching the defense but that'll be it. The Titans were not pleased (on film I guess) with how the slot was defended other than Ryan. The Titans well-known failure to stop the deep pass was also mentioned. Previously, in the veterans walk through not a walk through camp, Vrabel was displeased with positioning and angles. Good luck catching one of those backs without being aware of angles. So there's a lot that meshes up real well and it will be more focused than in previous years.
LaFleur also explained that the rookie will get third down work and the team has high hopes for Henry. Fluellen will be Henry's backup and play FB. Lewis will be the backup to everything and capable of everything but he noted keeping him healthy is an issue. Henry, Lewis, and Fluellen could see time as a FB on third downs-they could catch, run, or pickup the blitz from that spot while the scat back does his thing.
He would like to keep six backs but probably can only keep five. During prior years, it was four.
Ferguson and Falk will be the QBs.
It is either a very clever plan- to plan on a UDFA RB or risky. Oddly enough, Lewis provides some security here as he could be the scat back if these guys don't pan out. It is also early enough that they could add another back if those three don't pan out. It seems like a calculated risk to create a diverse backfield while the downside is minimal- at worst, they become about what we all expected anyway- Henry, Lewis, Fluellen.
As in the previous years (going back to Fish even) every one can and will play the slot at some point.
I assume all good things with Lebeau and Spanos had all his backups ready to play anywhere so I think he did a good job as LB coach. I think this might be laziness in a walkthrough
Biabreakable
Footballguy
GM Rick Spielman in press conference before the draft mentioned the Vikings spending more time on the projected free agent group of players in their evaluations this year. According to consensus lists of the players they signed, they did very well with their UDFA signings this year.Bri said:
Teams evaluate a ton of players and the running back position being so good and so deep this season, I think pretty reasonable that they could plan on some good undrafted RB being available to them even before the draft kicked off. So I would say its more of a clever plan than risky. If none of them work out they aren't losing much.
Dion Lewis injury history is something that I can understand Titans fans perhaps being more comfortable with better perceived talent behind him that could have been a draft pick instead of a UDFA, but just like we do with FF player rankings, they must have had good grades on so many RB that they knew they didn't need to draft them, that guys they liked were going to go undrafted just because of the depth of the class.
