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TNF Primetime**New Orleans at Arizona** (-2.5) (44) (1 Viewer)

New Orleans at Arizona exploit/avoid?

-Both teams yield plenty thru the air so this should be a little more interesting to watch than some of the field goal fests we’ve been treated to and overall low scoring in general thru many primetime games this season. Both teams allow 220-240 yds a week thru the air and similar TD ratio and %.

-Both teams allow around the NFL league avg rush yds, about 4.5 yds a clip, most teams in the NFL are not patient enough to run the football a lot so it’s hard to gauge which teams can stop the run and which cannot.

-STAT of the DAY…Arizona is 2nd WORST, 45% of all drives against their Defense end in POINTS!!! And guess what, New Orleans is 4th WORST, 43.7% of all drives against their Defense end in POINTS!!! Odds are high there will be plenty of points scored tonight, it is in our best interest to try and get this figured out.

-Alvin Kamara (200 yds Week 5, 125 yds last week) is the Saints best option on Offense despite not scoring a TD this season. They have a lot of banged up Wide Receivers not likely to make it tonight and if Winston couldn’t play Sunday, doubt he is playing tonight. For Arizona, Conner DNP this week and I assume Eno Benjamin will get one more shot at starting RB or get the most touches of what the Cards roll out there tonight. Darrell Williams DNP both days and ENO was limited but that’s better than DNP, maybe a few extra reps and he will have a better day this week.

-I don’t see Olave on the IR but I do expect Thomas and Landry to miss another game this week. I’ve always liked Tre’Quan Smith but it’s like when Troy Aikman speaks nice of someone “I really like what Tre’Quan brings” but what that means in terms of production is a mystery. He did manage 40/TD last week, he could see similar results if not better and is maybe someone you need to consider if you have bye week issues or injuries right now. Hopefully Olave will be rolling tonight and that should free up one of the ther role players at WR to hit the stat box.

-The Arizona WR/TE stable, we need to discuss it and I’ll share my thoughts.
DeAndre Hopkins is set to come back from his PED suspension.
Hopkins yds 10 games he played last year: 87-83-67-66-55-54-54-53-32-21 but it should be noted there were 8 TDs in those 10 games but he never eclipsed 90 yds receiving all year and that’s not something most think when they plug him into their line ups.

Hollywood is going to be on the mend for at least 6 weeks from most reports, that’s about the rest of the way in FF, and you won’t want to start him his 1st week back so he’s mostly useless for the rest of 2022 but you can IR him if your league allows and you have that spot open.

Rondale Moore was cut in a few of my redrafts, that was a little confusing to me. 18 targets last 2 weeks and I understand what 7/68 looks like to some folks but he might be a steady PPR and if he ever scores a TD or breaks one for a bigger chunk, all gravy for many of you. I would make sure he is on a roster right now. Year 2, he might have a few more moves this season.

Zach Ertz remains the prize and actually is benefitting from the unavailability of Hopkins and now Brown, I would hang on to him and not be in a hurry to trade him. I see no reason why he won’t continue to post double digits almost weekly in PPR, nobody really covers him with anyone potent and Murray targets him a decent amount, wish he had been more involved early in the game plan last week but he hasn’t had a bad game yet. After Kelce and Andrews, who would you really want right now? I can name a couple but Ertz is Top 5 with Goedert, Hock and Higbee around his area, Ertz role is very much in the game plan and I see no reason to take your foot off the gas with him, just stay healthy Zach, please.

-Robbie Anderson has been traded to AZ, Coach KK said he would be very limited in the game plan this week, he’ll get a few targets on fly patterns to stretch the defenses for Hopkins and Ertz and Moore to hit them underneath. They tried to throw a few to Ertz on long patterns, but didn't go so well. I would expect Anderson to see 4-5 targets a game in coming weeks and likely connect on 2 to 3 of them for larger gains but his role will be infrequent.

Final Score: Arizona 27…New Orleans 20, MoP thinks this game should hit the over if you stay away from the spread. You could see both teams winning the football game, loser drops to 2-5 and the season is going to spiral down from there. Arizona 1 game back, New Orleans 1 game back in their respective divisions so they both should come out wanting to get their seasons back on track, Arizona especially, the Saints were not predicted to do much this season.
 
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massraider said:
Picking up Will Lutz everywhere because only the kickers girlfriends have been excited on Thursday nights this year
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Rodrigo Blankenship was added to the Cards' practice squad, not sure if Prater is able to kick tonight or not.

I liked Blank last couple years in Indy, they got agitated when he missed a 42 yd FG, if he were the actual kicker in AZ, I would like that for a landing spot.

Lutz is 17th overall, good name to throw out there especially for tonight, I think a lot of points will be scored, so look for another 12-9 affair tonight
 
Ministry of Pain said:
-The Arizona WR/TE stable, we need to discuss it and I’ll share my thoughts.
DeAndre Hopkins is set to come back from his PED suspension.
Hopkins yds 10 games he played last year: 87-83-67-66-55-54-54-53-32-21 but it should be noted there were 8 TDs in those 10 games but he never eclipsed 90 yds receiving all year and that’s not something most think when they plug him into their line ups.
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One thing about Hopkins yardage last season, is that Arizona was running a different offense last season. They were running the ball more (both Kyler and RBs) and the passing game had Hopkins/Kirk/Green/Moore all being involved. Now they are passing a lot more, Kyler is 3rd in pass attempts, and Hollywood was 2nd in targets going into last week, which is more in line with what the offense was in 2020, when Hopkins was 2nd in the NFL in targets and 3rd in receiving yards.

Also of note, Murray's TD% and YPA are significantly higher with Hopkins in the lineup. So, I think, even with Brown out, this is a rising passing game, with Hopkins, a healthy Moore, and now Anderson being added. If the run/pass ratio stays at this level for Arizona, Murray is due for a monster 2nd half of the season, he's quietly still QB6, even though its been frustrating to watch.
 
travdogg said:
Ministry of Pain said:
-The Arizona WR/TE stable, we need to discuss it and I’ll share my thoughts.
DeAndre Hopkins is set to come back from his PED suspension.
Hopkins yds 10 games he played last year: 87-83-67-66-55-54-54-53-32-21 but it should be noted there were 8 TDs in those 10 games but he never eclipsed 90 yds receiving all year and that’s not something most think when they plug him into their line ups.
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One thing about Hopkins yardage last season, is that Arizona was running a different offense last season. They were running the ball more (both Kyler and RBs) and the passing game had Hopkins/Kirk/Green/Moore all being involved. Now they are passing a lot more, Kyler is 3rd in pass attempts, and Hollywood was 2nd in targets going into last week, which is more in line with what the offense was in 2020, when Hopkins was 2nd in the NFL in targets and 3rd in receiving yards.

Also of note, Murray's TD% and YPA are significantly higher with Hopkins in the lineup. So, I think, even with Brown out, this is a rising passing game, with Hopkins, a healthy Moore, and now Anderson being added. If the run/pass ratio stays at this level for Arizona, Murray is due for a monster 2nd half of the season, he's quietly still QB6, even though its been frustrating to watch.
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Dec 13th, 2021...it's been over 10 months since Hopkins has seen any action or absorbed a single push, shove or takedown by NFL DBs and LBs, he's going to ease into it I hope or else he risks injuring himself tonight, that's the last thing this offense needs right now.
 
Another Thursday Night and I ain't got no body,I got some money 'cause I just got paid(not l@id like we used to sing back in our youth)
So who do I put that money on tonight? Both teams have had issues this year,at least that's what Captain Obvious told me.
Neither coach has shown to be much a problem solver. I think it should be a close affair,MAYBE a little more watchable than the previous Thursday classics.
So if it's close we have Andy Dalton/Jaemis Winston and that Hill guy on one side. And Kyler Murray on the other. Who's more likely to put together a game winning drive?
I'll pick Kyler...

Arizona- 27
New Orleans- 23
 
I think I would rather have the red rocket start for NO over Winston. If Dalton starts, I am leaning with Saints +2.5.
 
Cardinals were playing one of the most FF friendly defenses around last week and scored 3 points at home (+ defensive TD.)

Would be nice if Kamara was allowed to snipe one TD from the QB-TE-designated scorer. Hill is TE4 in our format; he’s run 17 routes on the season.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
New Orleans at Arizona exploit/avoid?

-Both teams yield plenty thru the air so this should be a little more interesting to watch than some of the field goal fests we’ve been treated to and overall low scoring in general thru many primetime games this season. Both teams allow 220-240 yds a week thru the air and similar TD ratio and %.

-Both teams allow around the NFL league avg rush yds, about 4.5 yds a clip, most teams in the NFL are not patient enough to run the football a lot so it’s hard to gauge which teams can stop the run and which cannot.

-STAT of the DAY…Arizona is 2nd WORST, 45% of all drives against their Defense end in POINTS!!! And guess what, New Orleans is 4th WORST, 43.7% of all drives against their Defense end in POINTS!!! Odds are high there will be plenty of points scored tonight, it is in our best interest to try and get this figured out.

-Alvin Kamara (200 yds Week 5, 125 yds last week) is the Saints best option on Offense despite not scoring a TD this season. They have a lot of banged up Wide Receivers not likely to make it tonight and if Winston couldn’t play Sunday, doubt he is playing tonight. For Arizona, Conner DNP this week and I assume Eno Benjamin will get one more shot at starting RB or get the most touches of what the Cards roll out there tonight. Darrell Williams DNP both days and ENO was limited but that’s better than DNP, maybe a few extra reps and he will have a better day this week.

-I don’t see Olave on the IR but I do expect Thomas and Landry to miss another game this week. I’ve always liked Tre’Quan Smith but it’s like when Troy Aikman speaks nice of someone “I really like what Tre’Quan brings” but what that means in terms of production is a mystery. He did manage 40/TD last week, he could see similar results if not better and is maybe someone you need to consider if you have bye week issues or injuries right now. Hopefully Olave will be rolling tonight and that should free up one of the ther role players at WR to hit the stat box.

-The Arizona WR/TE stable, we need to discuss it and I’ll share my thoughts.
DeAndre Hopkins is set to come back from his PED suspension.
Hopkins yds 10 games he played last year: 87-83-67-66-55-54-54-53-32-21 but it should be noted there were 8 TDs in those 10 games but he never eclipsed 90 yds receiving all year and that’s not something most think when they plug him into their line ups.

Hollywood is going to be on the mend for at least 6 weeks from most reports, that’s about the rest of the way in FF, and you won’t want to start him his 1st week back so he’s mostly useless for the rest of 2022 but you can IR him if your league allows and you have that spot open.

Rondale Moore was cut in a few of my redrafts, that was a little confusing to me. 18 targets last 2 weeks and I understand what 7/68 looks like to some folks but he might be a steady PPR and if he ever scores a TD or breaks one for a bigger chunk, all gravy for many of you. I would make sure he is on a roster right now. Year 2, he might have a few more moves this season.

Zach Ertz remains the prize and actually is benefitting from the unavailability of Hopkins and now Brown, I would hang on to him and not be in a hurry to trade him. I see no reason why he won’t continue to post double digits almost weekly in PPR, nobody really covers him with anyone potent and Murray targets him a decent amount, wish he had been more involved early in the game plan last week but he hasn’t had a bad game yet. After Kelce and Andrews, who would you really want right now? I can name a couple but Ertz is Top 5 with Goedert, Hock and Higbee around his area, Ertz role is very much in the game plan and I see no reason to take your foot off the gas with him, just stay healthy Zach, please.

-Robbie Anderson has been traded to AZ, Coach KK said he would be very limited in the game plan this week, he’ll get a few targets on fly patterns to stretch the defenses for Hopkins and Ertz and Moore to hit them underneath. They tried to throw a few to Ertz on long patterns, but didn't go so well. I would expect Anderson to see 4-5 targets a game in coming weeks and likely connect on 2 to 3 of them for larger gains but his role will be infrequent.

Final Score: Arizona 27…New Orleans 20, MoP thinks this game should hit the over if you stay away from the spread. You could see both teams winning the football game, loser drops to 2-5 and the season is going to spiral down from there. Arizona 1 game back, New Orleans 1 game back in their respective divisions so they both should come out wanting to get their seasons back on track, Arizona especially, the Saints were not predicted to do much this season.
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Thoughts on T. Hill?
 
I'll go bold and say, for one week anyway, the Cards get their act together with all of NO injuries. Cards win 35-13, and whether he's the reason or not, the media spends all week talking about DeAndre Hopkins.

I'll say Murray runs for 50+ and a TD, with 2 passing TDs. Probably 50-1 rushing for Eno, and similar for Hopkins receiving in his debut, I think Moore could be the leading WR this week from a catch/yards standpoint. Ertz should have a big game, maybe even a 100-yard week, he's just missed on some long catches.

I think Kamara has a decent game, 90 and a 50-50 shot at a TD or so, I think Arizona goes out of their way to slow Olave, quietly Arizona is the #1 team against #1 WRs, having held Adams (2-12) AJ Brown (3-32) Kupp (4-44) and Metcalf (2-34) so this could be Olave's worst game so far.

ETA: I think Hill has a 50-50 shot at a TD but would probably put his yardage ceiling at about 40 yards.
 
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Olave worth starting given the lack of Thomas and Landry or AZ locks him up? He could either see 14 targets and end up with 9-121-1 TD or 8 targets with 3-42-0 TD
 
kyoun1e said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New Orleans at Arizona exploit/avoid?

-Both teams yield plenty thru the air so this should be a little more interesting to watch than some of the field goal fests we’ve been treated to and overall low scoring in general thru many primetime games this season. Both teams allow 220-240 yds a week thru the air and similar TD ratio and %.

-Both teams allow around the NFL league avg rush yds, about 4.5 yds a clip, most teams in the NFL are not patient enough to run the football a lot so it’s hard to gauge which teams can stop the run and which cannot.

-STAT of the DAY…Arizona is 2nd WORST, 45% of all drives against their Defense end in POINTS!!! And guess what, New Orleans is 4th WORST, 43.7% of all drives against their Defense end in POINTS!!! Odds are high there will be plenty of points scored tonight, it is in our best interest to try and get this figured out.

-Alvin Kamara (200 yds Week 5, 125 yds last week) is the Saints best option on Offense despite not scoring a TD this season. They have a lot of banged up Wide Receivers not likely to make it tonight and if Winston couldn’t play Sunday, doubt he is playing tonight. For Arizona, Conner DNP this week and I assume Eno Benjamin will get one more shot at starting RB or get the most touches of what the Cards roll out there tonight. Darrell Williams DNP both days and ENO was limited but that’s better than DNP, maybe a few extra reps and he will have a better day this week.

-I don’t see Olave on the IR but I do expect Thomas and Landry to miss another game this week. I’ve always liked Tre’Quan Smith but it’s like when Troy Aikman speaks nice of someone “I really like what Tre’Quan brings” but what that means in terms of production is a mystery. He did manage 40/TD last week, he could see similar results if not better and is maybe someone you need to consider if you have bye week issues or injuries right now. Hopefully Olave will be rolling tonight and that should free up one of the ther role players at WR to hit the stat box.

-The Arizona WR/TE stable, we need to discuss it and I’ll share my thoughts.
DeAndre Hopkins is set to come back from his PED suspension.
Hopkins yds 10 games he played last year: 87-83-67-66-55-54-54-53-32-21 but it should be noted there were 8 TDs in those 10 games but he never eclipsed 90 yds receiving all year and that’s not something most think when they plug him into their line ups.

Hollywood is going to be on the mend for at least 6 weeks from most reports, that’s about the rest of the way in FF, and you won’t want to start him his 1st week back so he’s mostly useless for the rest of 2022 but you can IR him if your league allows and you have that spot open.

Rondale Moore was cut in a few of my redrafts, that was a little confusing to me. 18 targets last 2 weeks and I understand what 7/68 looks like to some folks but he might be a steady PPR and if he ever scores a TD or breaks one for a bigger chunk, all gravy for many of you. I would make sure he is on a roster right now. Year 2, he might have a few more moves this season.

Zach Ertz remains the prize and actually is benefitting from the unavailability of Hopkins and now Brown, I would hang on to him and not be in a hurry to trade him. I see no reason why he won’t continue to post double digits almost weekly in PPR, nobody really covers him with anyone potent and Murray targets him a decent amount, wish he had been more involved early in the game plan last week but he hasn’t had a bad game yet. After Kelce and Andrews, who would you really want right now? I can name a couple but Ertz is Top 5 with Goedert, Hock and Higbee around his area, Ertz role is very much in the game plan and I see no reason to take your foot off the gas with him, just stay healthy Zach, please.

-Robbie Anderson has been traded to AZ, Coach KK said he would be very limited in the game plan this week, he’ll get a few targets on fly patterns to stretch the defenses for Hopkins and Ertz and Moore to hit them underneath. They tried to throw a few to Ertz on long patterns, but didn't go so well. I would expect Anderson to see 4-5 targets a game in coming weeks and likely connect on 2 to 3 of them for larger gains but his role will be infrequent.

Final Score: Arizona 27…New Orleans 20, MoP thinks this game should hit the over if you stay away from the spread. You could see both teams winning the football game, loser drops to 2-5 and the season is going to spiral down from there. Arizona 1 game back, New Orleans 1 game back in their respective divisions so they both should come out wanting to get their seasons back on track, Arizona especially, the Saints were not predicted to do much this season.
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Thoughts on T. Hill?
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TD dependent and most teams know when he is on the field he is looking to try and run the football majority of the time.
 
Anyone going to start Eno Benjamin with confidence?
Still can’t find any information on if he is going to be the get the majority of carries or what.
Maybe will learn something 90 minutes before kick off as I think that is when the IR reports are released.
 
Arizona Cardinals | Thursday games since 2017

2017: ❌ vs Seahawks (L 16-22)
2018: ❌ vs Broncos (L 10-45)
2019: ❌ vs 49ers (L 25-28)
2020: ❌ at Seahawks (L 21-28)
2021: ❌ vs Packers (L 21-24)
2022: 🤔 vs Saints

The Cardinals are 0-6 wearing their all black Color Rush uniform.

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oukurt said:
Anyone going to start Eno Benjamin with confidence?
Still can’t find any information on if he is going to be the get the majority of carries or what.
Maybe will learn something 90 minutes before kick off as I think that is when the IR reports are released.
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18 touches for 65 yards should not inspire confidence. However…

RB 70%+ snaps in Week 6 (PFF)

Dalvin Cook 88%
Devin Singletary 88%
Eno Benjamin 87%
Saquon 87%
CMC 86%
Rhamondre Stevenson 85%
Fournette 82%
Montgomery 78%
Mixon 72%
Najee 70%
Darrell Henderson 70%
Kenneth Walker 70%

60-69 club: Kamara, Deon, Hall, Ekeler, Mostert, Zeke, Miles
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BobbyLayne said:
Arizona Cardinals | Thursday games since 2017

2017: ❌ vs Seahawks (L 16-22)
2018: ❌ vs Broncos (L 10-45)
2019: ❌ vs 49ers (L 25-28)
2020: ❌ at Seahawks (L 21-28)
2021: ❌ vs Packers (L 21-24)
2022: 🤔 vs Saints

The Cardinals are 0-6 wearing their all black Color Rush uniform.

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oukurt said:
Anyone going to start Eno Benjamin with confidence?
Still can’t find any information on if he is going to be the get the majority of carries or what.
Maybe will learn something 90 minutes before kick off as I think that is when the IR reports are released.
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18 touches for 65 yards should not inspire confidence. However…

RB 70%+ snaps in Week 6 (PFF)

Dalvin Cook 88%
Devin Singletary 88%
Eno Benjamin 87%
Saquon 87%
CMC 86%
Rhamondre Stevenson 85%
Fournette 82%
Montgomery 78%
Mixon 72%
Najee 70%
Darrell Henderson 70%
Kenneth Walker 70%

60-69 club: Kamara, Deon, Hall, Ekeler, Mostert, Zeke, Miles
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I'd consider Benjamin a decent RB2 this week. I don't sit down and do weekly rankings, like I do season long ones, but I'd expect Benjamin to be a top-20 RB this week.

As for the Cards Thursday Night history, 0-6 since 2017 sounds bad, but it's a little misleading, I think. 2017 and 2018 don't really count as its pre-Murray/Kingsbury. I think DJ Humphries and Budda Baker are the only guys that are on the team from the 2017 season.

2019 was a 3-point loss against a Super Bowl team, 2020 was a 7-point loss to a good playoff team, and 2021 was a 3-point loss to the #1 seed in the NFC in the game Hopkins and Murray both got hurt in, and even then, they still win (or at least force OT) if AJ Green doesn't have sudden narcolepsy.
 
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