TO meets with Broncos (1 Viewer)

[redman]

Wow. redman, usually cursed by his complete lack of acumen, actually gets it...

Where was that thread about flying monkeys?

What's this acumen you speak of?

 

[thesurfshop19]

I never made the claim that Owens is the worst person in the history of the world - and you don't want to go there.

I do say that Owens was in line for some gigantic jack if he just could have played well with others, and he knew damn well the thin line he was walking - and still he couldn't do it.

Why would he change & suddenly become a quiet team guy when he's only playing for a fraction of what he could have been earning? That makes no sense to me.

The moment I wrote "worst person in the world" I knew it'd come up ... these days even the most obvious exaggeration needs to be qualified and for that I sincerely apologize.In both our minds, T.O. was a jerk and completely wrong about the way he handled 2005. But we obviously have different interpretations about why he did what he did, which is frankly a much more interesting topic that no one ever discusses because they're too busy bashing T.O.

I personally think that T.O. was fine with his contract, even 2005, knowing that he'd get a payday somewhere in 2006. That is, until he got hurt in 2004, having to rehab crazily just to make the Super Bowl. At this point, it seems to me that Drew got into his head and essentially said, "if you get hurt again in 2005, you're going to lose that payday in 2006." After which, T.O. and Drew set out on a campaign to either guarantee the 2006 money or move it up. Stupid, stupid move which backfired for all parties involved. Again, let me repeat, it was idiotic.

I'm guessing that you and most of the T.O. bashers think that Owens is just a nutcase who knew he had a good thing going but blew it anyway because "that's T.O. for you".

We obviously have different perceptions of who T.O. is. I think he's a great player who was very misguided in the way he handled his contract in 2005. (I'm less willing to blame him for the 49ers imploding because he wasn't the only problem there, although he certainly was a contributing factor.) I think he's aware of how badly his image has been damaged, and since he's motivated by money I think he'll do what actually gets him more money.

 

[redman]

I never made the claim that Owens is the worst person in the history of the world - and you don't want to go there.

I do say that Owens was in line for some gigantic jack if he just could have played well with others, and he knew damn well the thin line he was walking - and still he couldn't do it.

Why would he change & suddenly become a quiet team guy when he's only playing for a fraction of what he could have been earning?  That makes no sense to me.

The moment I wrote "worst person in the world" I knew it'd come up ... these days even the most obvious exaggeration needs to be qualified and for that I sincerely apologize.In both our minds, T.O. was a jerk and completely wrong about the way he handled 2005. But we obviously have different interpretations about why he did what he did, which is frankly a much more interesting topic that no one ever discusses because they're too busy bashing T.O.

I personally think that T.O. was fine with his contract, even 2005, knowing that he'd get a payday somewhere in 2006. That is, until he got hurt in 2004, having to rehab crazily just to make the Super Bowl. At this point, it seems to me that Drew got into his head and essentially said, "if you get hurt again in 2005, you're going to lose that payday in 2006." After which, T.O. and Drew set out on a campaign to either guarantee the 2006 money or move it up. Stupid, stupid move which backfired for all parties involved. Again, let me repeat, it was idiotic.

I'm guessing that you and most of the T.O. bashers think that Owens is just a nutcase who knew he had a good thing going but blew it anyway because "that's T.O. for you".

We obviously have different perceptions of who T.O. is. I think he's a great player who was very misguided in the way he handled his contract in 2005. (I'm less willing to blame him for the 49ers imploding because he wasn't the only problem there, although he certainly was a contributing factor.) I think he's aware of how badly his image has been damaged, and since he's motivated by money I think he'll do what actually gets him more money.

Isn't this the same general set of arguments that people in Philly were making two years ago? Also, don't beef your argument with the straw man about TO making the 49'ers "implode". Nobody's arguing that because that team sucked with or without him. The problem there was that he was totally fixated on himself and was willing to destroy any chemistry that team had - including publicly questioning the sexuality of its leader, Jeff Garcia - because of that fixation. Sound familiar?

 

[thesurfshop19]

Isn't this the same general set of arguments that people in Philly were making two years ago?

Also, don't beef your argument with the straw man about TO making the 49'ers "implode". Nobody's arguing that because that team sucked with or without him. The problem there was that he was totally fixated on himself and was willing to destroy any chemistry that team had - including publicly questioning the sexuality of its leader, Jeff Garcia - because of that fixation. Sound familiar?

Yes, these are similar arguments to what we had 2 years ago ... with one key difference.Everyone in the world knows this is T.O.'s last chance to get paid, so he can't afford to screw up!

Of course, the inevitable, poorly thought-out reply of "wait, everyone said that 2 years ago too and he still screwed up!"

The fact is at least now, there are still teams out there willing to take a risk on him. There won't be a 4th team for him if he screws up the way many out there think he "will".

 

[P Boy]

We're going to have to wait & see, surf. I don't think either of us is going to convince the other.I hope we don't get the opportunity to see who's right...

 

[thesurfshop19]

We're going to have to wait & see, surf. I don't think either of us is going to convince the other.

I hope we don't get the opportunity to see who's right...

Yes, we do have to wait and see.I'm certainly not 100% sold on T.O. learning from his mistakes despite all I've said! Both sides have real points here, and I don't mean to dismiss that.

It's just that he has to learn from them to get what he wants, so I think the chances of a reformed T.O. are pretty good ... or at least better than advertised.

 

[redman]

Everyone in the world knows this is T.O.'s last chance to get paid, so he can't afford to screw up!

Are you attributing common sense to the Rosenhaus/TO camp?

 

[thesurfshop19]

Everyone in the world knows this is T.O.'s last chance to get paid, so he can't afford to screw up!

Are you attributing common sense to the Rosenhaus/TO camp?

Trying to!

 

[Rev]

Good governor... the guy is a 33 year old headcase with his best days behind him. Let's leave all this "superstar" nonesense to describing his past, not his future.

 

[CA_7]

KC may take T.O.

Chiefs probably would wait for Eagles to cut superstar receiver

By ELIZABETH MERRILL ~ The Kansas City Star

Three months ago, when **** Vermeil occupied the large fourth-floor office at Arrowhead Stadium, the Chiefs said they absolutely, positively had no interest in embattled receiver Terrell Owens.

That icy stance has changed.

Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson told The Star on Tuesday that Kansas City was “somewhat interested” in Owens and that Peterson planned to have an in-depth conversation with new coach Herm Edwards about the possibility of acquiring the five-time Pro Bowler.

Two things have apparently piqued the Chiefs’ interest — the hope of a possible attitude makeover after Owens’ suspension by the Eagles, and Edwards’ success in working with difficult players.

Edwards, who stresses a team-first mentality, was able to work his magic on the likes of Warren Sapp in Tampa Bay and Ty Law in New York. He’d have his hands full with Owens, who was suspended by the Eagles in November after he repeatedly criticized his team, the front office and quarterback Donovan McNabb.

“I’ve always felt Herm has the ability to bridge the gap between a lot of players,” Peterson said, “whether they’re black or white, whether they’re offense or defense or special teams, whether they’re superstars or backup players. I think that’s one of his strengths.

“Now, based on that, certainly I will have this conversation with him, and I’m sure there are other teams in the NFL who will do the same thing. But there are a lot of things that would go into it, and at the end of the day, we both may very well decide this is not the right path in which to try and follow.”

Owens has five seasons left on his contract, but the Eagles recently gave his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, permission to seek a trade. Owens reportedly visited Denver on Monday in what was called a getting-acquainted session. If no team bites on a trade, the Eagles are expected to cut Owens next month; he is due more than $7 million from Philadelphia if he’s on the roster after March 1.

The Chiefs probably will wait to see whether Owens is cut. A source familiar with the situation told The Star that an incentive-laden, one-year deal would be a possibility.

Reached on his cell phone, Rosenhaus said he had no comment on Owens’ interest in the Chiefs. “I can’t,” he said. The source indicated, however, that Rosenhaus has approached the Chiefs to gauge their interest in his client.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/13760070.htm

 

[Warpig]

KC may take T.O.

Chiefs probably would wait for Eagles to cut superstar receiver

By ELIZABETH MERRILL ~ The Kansas City Star

Three months ago, when **** Vermeil occupied the large fourth-floor office at Arrowhead Stadium, the Chiefs said they absolutely, positively had no interest in embattled receiver Terrell Owens.

That icy stance has changed.

Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson told The Star on Tuesday that Kansas City was “somewhat interested” in Owens and that Peterson planned to have an in-depth conversation with new coach Herm Edwards about the possibility of acquiring the five-time Pro Bowler.

Two things have apparently piqued the Chiefs’ interest — the hope of a possible attitude makeover after Owens’ suspension by the Eagles, and Edwards’ success in working with difficult players.

Edwards, who stresses a team-first mentality, was able to work his magic on the likes of Warren Sapp in Tampa Bay and Ty Law in New York. He’d have his hands full with Owens, who was suspended by the Eagles in November after he repeatedly criticized his team, the front office and quarterback Donovan McNabb.

“I’ve always felt Herm has the ability to bridge the gap between a lot of players,” Peterson said, “whether they’re black or white, whether they’re offense or defense or special teams, whether they’re superstars or backup players. I think that’s one of his strengths.

“Now, based on that, certainly I will have this conversation with him, and I’m sure there are other teams in the NFL who will do the same thing. But there are a lot of things that would go into it, and at the end of the day, we both may very well decide this is not the right path in which to try and follow.”

Owens has five seasons left on his contract, but the Eagles recently gave his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, permission to seek a trade. Owens reportedly visited Denver on Monday in what was called a getting-acquainted session. If no team bites on a trade, the Eagles are expected to cut Owens next month; he is due more than $7 million from Philadelphia if he’s on the roster after March 1.

The Chiefs probably will wait to see whether Owens is cut. A source familiar with the situation told The Star that an incentive-laden, one-year deal would be a possibility.

Reached on his cell phone, Rosenhaus said he had no comment on Owens’ interest in the Chiefs. “I can’t,” he said. The source indicated, however, that Rosenhaus has approached the Chiefs to gauge their interest in his client.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/13760070.htm

Hmmmm? Interesting. I think TO needs a place like KC. The mid-west lifestyle is extremely slow paced, no major nightlife attractions. However, unless he is willing to accept the lifestyle here he won't be happy. And the last thing he wants to do is get these fans turned against him. If I were Herm or Carl (and I'm not) I wouldn't risk it. There will be other FA WR's available that aren't as volatile.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The future of T.O. in Denver.

He arrives in town to much tongue wagging. He spouts the right cliches about team work and just wanting to be part of a winner. He says he respects Shanahan and the organization. He is seen with team leaders who are instructed to embrace him and who do so publically while privately resenting that Owens is getting all the attention and some of the salary cap that should have gone to them or their team mates.

In camp Owens impresses. The locals with dreams of Lombardi trophies dancing in their heads flock to worship this whore, this vagabond whose services are for sale, but who has no attactments nor loyalty to the team, and who has no history with the town.

In season T.O does well with his opportunities. He is again a star. He is even seen blocking down field on running plays. Things look great, but niggling at the back of his mind is the fact that Denver is a running team. He wants more opportunities.

Monday nights or featured Sunday games come. He is questioned by the national media about whether he would like to see the ball more often. T.O. restrains himself. He doesn't say what he thinks, which is that Shanny should have a T.O. ratio.

The Broncos make the playoffs with the same record as last year. T.O. starts to believe he is a difference maker. Being long in the tooth on the O-line they have had some injuries during the regular season and T.O. is a star as the run game falters. The Broncos make the Superbowl.

During the two Superbowl weeks T.O. gets all the attention he has always craved. The addict tastes again that which he must have. He starts talking. Why yes of course he would have had a more impressive statistical year if Plummer where Favre or Manning or Brady. Why yes the Broncos owe their being there to T.O.

After two weeks of this resentment builds on the team, the implosion happens. The Broncos lose. T.O. starts looking for throwing lanes towards the undercarriage of the Broncos bus. He then starts looking for Plummer, Heimerdinger and Shanahan for his throwees. Ties are cut, but not before Lelie's growth is stunted, Plummers confidence is shot, Anderson, Neil and Lepsis are aged and injured. The Broncos have a first place schedule and a late draft. Bowen then realizes that the move to T.O. made a three year window one year and it is spent. The Broncos are rebuilding and Shanahan is the scapegoat.

The same apologists and media types that worshipped the whore now say they never did. They say some made the arguments that T.O. would reform for his last chance at money, but they say they knew better and so should have Shanahan. They savage the coach's rep during his rail ride out of town suddenly remembering the Darrel Gardner, Derron Cherry, and Dale Carter experiments.

T.O. starts looking for his next hook up. Fans of a team just one playmaker away delude themselves into believing that surely their great coach and their respected or feared veterans can get T.O. into line. Surely he understands that this is his final chance.

 

[Pots]

If TO went to Denver, what type of stats do you think Plummer will put up then?

 

[P Boy]

If TO went to Denver, what type of stats do you think Plummer will put up then?

First half or second half of the season?

 

[Workhorse]

If TO went to Denver, what type of stats do you think Plummer will put up then?

Well, if the salary cap effect of signing TO means that the Broncos lose Nalen and Lepsis, not very good stats at all.Seriously, the Broncos should be thinking about how to resign their free agent lineman on both sides of the ball with their current salary cap mess before they even think about bringing on TO.