Token PK thread (1 Viewer)

[BigRed]

Yeah I know, like watching paint dry - but having a good kicker CAN make some diff (I know cuz mine mostly stunk last year). Anyway a few mercifully brief thoughts:

- Rackers had a career year and will be overpriced

- Elam is IMO the guy to get. Old but the most consistent guy around, which is what you want in a PK

- Other top notables are Graham, Vinatieri, Vandy, Feely (?), Wilkens, Reed, Tynes, J Brown

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Kickers are a crapshoot every year but I think Ryan Longwell might do very well in a Dome this year.

 

[Warpig]

I kept Rackers as one of my keepers in a 10 keeper league. He outscored the next closest kicker in this league by 20+ points! And he's cheap!

 

[BigRed]

well that went over like a lead balloon.

bump anyway.

 

[mrspree15]

How about Jason Hanson? On an offense that might not be able to punch it in inside the 20, kinda like Arizona when Rackers had his big year. Plus he's in a dome.

 

[BigRed]

I just noticed this was from LAST July. lol @ Vandy, yeah good idea.....well I did call Rackers as being overpriced, but that was an easy call. The top PK from the previous year almost always is.

This year Vinatieri is #1 IMO, but actually I'm coming back around to Rackers now as a great $1 buy, along w/the usual suspects, eg Elam Wilkens etc.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

just took my first look at kickers a few minutes ago.

I lucked out with Kaeding last year just as a complete crapshoot. By FBG scoring i think he was #2. I think he should do very well again this year.

He made 90% of his FG attempts last year. The biggest factor in my opinion is that he converted 58 PATS last year which is 11 more than the next closest kicker. Regression to the mean (although who knows with LT) would suggest that at least some of those PATS become FG attempts in 2007.

Accurate kicker, high scoring offense, warm weather climate and maybe he comes just slightly cheaper than some of the "name" kickers like Vinatieri/Gould/Elam/etc..

Also like the Hanson response... historically accurate kicker..Martz offense.. can be had as one of the last kickers off the board.

 

[BigRed]

Agree on all counts, although IMO anyone paying more than 1% in an auction for a PK is a fool.

Gratowski (sp) is also up there for me, and Nugent. (not ted)

I suspect maybe Elam will dip a bit - he's what 50 yrs old?

 

[tamales]

There are 2 signs of whether a kicker will have a good year.

1) High scoring team

2) Good team

High scoring is obvious. The more chances they have in the redzone, the more possibilities of FGs. Good teams is also obvious because they wont be far behind forcing them to not kick field goals. A great kicker combines these 2. A good kicker can have either one. I think I read somewhere that there have been a VERY small percentage of kickers appear in the top 10 for teams with losing records over the last 10 years. Here are my rankings and reasoning:

1 Adam Vinatieri- Great offense, great team, track record, enough said

2 Stephen Gostkowski- Great offense, great team, came on in the 2nd half last year

3 Nate Kaeding- Great offense, great team, track record

4 Shayne Graham- Great offense, team is good enough that he should be good

5 Jason Elam- Getting old but this is a very good offense on a very good team, Mile High altitude helps

6 Jeff Wilkins- Really bottomed out in the 2nd half last year, great offense but Linehan kickers historically dont do well

7 Robbie Gould- Good offense, great team, low scoring games will keep scoring down a bit

8 Neil Rackers- Good offense, bad team, a bit overrated this year

9 Olindo Mare- Sleeper, Great offense on a great team and kicks in a dome, has been horrible last few years

10 Mike Nugent- Was a stud in the 2nd half but he does not play on a good offensive team

11 Jason Hanson- Great offense but not a great team

12 Matt Stover- Traditionally does well despite the lack of a good offense, getting old

 

[Zoomanji]

There are 2 signs of whether a kicker will have a good year.1) High scoring team2) Good teamHigh scoring is obvious. The more chances they have in the redzone, the more possibilities of FGs. Good teams is also obvious because they wont be far behind forcing them to not kick field goals. A great kicker combines these 2. A good kicker can have either one. I think I read somewhere that there have been a VERY small percentage of kickers appear in the top 10 for teams with losing records over the last 10 years. Here are my rankings and reasoning:1 Adam Vinatieri- Great offense, great team, track record, enough said2 Stephen Gostkowski- Great offense, great team, came on in the 2nd half last year3 Nate Kaeding- Great offense, great team, track record4 Shayne Graham- Great offense, team is good enough that he should be good5 Jason Elam- Getting old but this is a very good offense on a very good team, Mile High altitude helps6 Jeff Wilkins- Really bottomed out in the 2nd half last year, great offense but Linehan kickers historically dont do well7 Robbie Gould- Good offense, great team, low scoring games will keep scoring down a bit8 Neil Rackers- Good offense, bad team, a bit overrated this year9 Olindo Mare- Sleeper, Great offense on a great team and kicks in a dome, has been horrible last few years10 Mike Nugent- Was a stud in the 2nd half but he does not play on a good offensive team11 Jason Hanson- Great offense but not a great team12 Matt Stover- Traditionally does well despite the lack of a good offense, getting old13 Joe Nedney14 Josh Brown

Not bad but you missed Akers

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Im kind of high on Olinda Mare.

A high scoring offense. That has a much harder schedule, which should make for more FG attempts.

Mare didnt have a great FG% last year, but goes from outdoor to indoors. And from a loser to a winner.

He has a very strong leg and a solid history.

He can be drafted very late.

 

[tamales]

There are 2 signs of whether a kicker will have a good year.1) High scoring team2) Good teamHigh scoring is obvious. The more chances they have in the redzone, the more possibilities of FGs. Good teams is also obvious because they wont be far behind forcing them to not kick field goals. A great kicker combines these 2. A good kicker can have either one. I think I read somewhere that there have been a VERY small percentage of kickers appear in the top 10 for teams with losing records over the last 10 years. Here are my rankings and reasoning:1 Adam Vinatieri- Great offense, great team, track record, enough said2 Stephen Gostkowski- Great offense, great team, came on in the 2nd half last year3 Nate Kaeding- Great offense, great team, track record4 Shayne Graham- Great offense, team is good enough that he should be good5 Jason Elam- Getting old but this is a very good offense on a very good team, Mile High altitude helps6 Jeff Wilkins- Really bottomed out in the 2nd half last year, great offense but Linehan kickers historically dont do well7 Robbie Gould- Good offense, great team, low scoring games will keep scoring down a bit8 Neil Rackers- Good offense, bad team, a bit overrated this year9 Olindo Mare- Sleeper, Great offense on a great team and kicks in a dome, has been horrible last few years10 Mike Nugent- Was a stud in the 2nd half but he does not play on a good offensive team11 Jason Hanson- Great offense but not a great team12 Matt Stover- Traditionally does well despite the lack of a good offense, getting old13 Joe Nedney14 Josh Brown

Not bad but you missed Akers

Akers has been horrible the last few years. No longer a top notch kicker. I have him ranked 15th

 

[LionsFan78]

Seems like 1) Good defense, meets 2) explosive running game, meets 3) shaky QB play, can be a pretty good starting point for kicking success (see Scobey last year). Makes Ryan Longwell seem like a plausible sleeper pick this year, no? Likely undrafted in every league as well.

 

[identikit]

Im kind of high on Olinda Mare.A high scoring offense. That has a much harder schedule, which should make for more FG attempts.Mare didnt have a great FG% last year, but goes from outdoor to indoors. And from a loser to a winner.He has a very strong leg and a solid history.He can be drafted very late.

I believe Mare will be kicking indoors for 11 games this year....

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I believe Mare will be kicking indoors for 11 games this year....

Pretty awesome down the stretch. Week 17 isnt so great, but the rest are dandy.

13- Dec 02 vs. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 12:00PM 14- Dec 10 @ ATLANTA FALCONS 7:30PM 15- Dec 16 vs. ARIZONA CARDINALS 12:00PM 16- Dec 23 vs. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 12:00PM 17- Dec 30 @ CHICAGO BEARS 12:00PM

 

[3nOut]

There are 2 signs of whether a kicker will have a good year.

1) High scoring team

2) Good team

High scoring is obvious. The more chances they have in the redzone, the more possibilities of FGs. Good teams is also obvious because they wont be far behind forcing them to not kick field goals. A great kicker combines these 2. A good kicker can have either one. I think I read somewhere that there have been a VERY small percentage of kickers appear in the top 10 for teams with losing records over the last 10 years. Here are my rankings and reasoning:

1 Adam Vinatieri- Great offense, great team, track record, enough said

2 Stephen Gostkowski- Great offense, great team, came on in the 2nd half last year

3 Nate Kaeding- Great offense, great team, track record

4 Shayne Graham- Great offense, team is good enough that he should be good

5 Jason Elam- Getting old but this is a very good offense on a very good team, Mile High altitude helps

6 Jeff Wilkins- Really bottomed out in the 2nd half last year, great offense but Linehan kickers historically dont do well

7 Robbie Gould- Good offense, great team, low scoring games will keep scoring down a bit

8 Neil Rackers- Good offense, bad team, a bit overrated this year

9 Olindo Mare- Sleeper, Great offense on a great team and kicks in a dome, has been horrible last few years

10 Mike Nugent- Was a stud in the 2nd half but he does not play on a good offensive team

11 Jason Hanson- Great offense but not a great team

12 Matt Stover- Traditionally does well despite the lack of a good offense, getting old

I know its only pre-season but in two games this pre-season:4/5 FG (long 48) 2/2 XP (14pts)

4/4 FG (long 51) 1/1 XP (13pts)

Good value while others are drafting bigger names.

 

[BigRed]

There are 2 signs of whether a kicker will have a good year.1) High scoring team2) Good teamHigh scoring is obvious. The more chances they have in the redzone, the more possibilities of FGs. Good teams is also obvious because they wont be far behind forcing them to not kick field goals. A great kicker combines these 2. A good kicker can have either one. I think I read somewhere that there have been a VERY small percentage of kickers appear in the top 10 for teams with losing records over the last 10 years. Here are my rankings and reasoning:1 Adam Vinatieri- Great offense, great team, track record, enough said2 Stephen Gostkowski- Great offense, great team, came on in the 2nd half last year3 Nate Kaeding- Great offense, great team, track record4 Shayne Graham- Great offense, team is good enough that he should be good5 Jason Elam- Getting old but this is a very good offense on a very good team, Mile High altitude helps6 Jeff Wilkins- Really bottomed out in the 2nd half last year, great offense but Linehan kickers historically dont do well7 Robbie Gould- Good offense, great team, low scoring games will keep scoring down a bit8 Neil Rackers- Good offense, bad team, a bit overrated this year9 Olindo Mare- Sleeper, Great offense on a great team and kicks in a dome, has been horrible last few years10 Mike Nugent- Was a stud in the 2nd half but he does not play on a good offensive team11 Jason Hanson- Great offense but not a great team12 Matt Stover- Traditionally does well despite the lack of a good offense, getting old

I don't get " Robbie Gould- Good offense" but nice recap of most of the top PKs.Years ago I also remember someone saying PKs who did well pre-season usually did well in the reg season also, but can't say how well that's held up lately.

 

[tamales]

I don't get " Robbie Gould- Good offense" but nice recap of most of the top PKs.Years ago I also remember someone saying PKs who did well pre-season usually did well in the reg season also, but can't say how well that's held up lately.

What dont you get. Perhaps I could explain more.

 

[Zoomanji]

I don't get " Robbie Gould- Good offense" but nice recap of most of the top PKs.Years ago I also remember someone saying PKs who did well pre-season usually did well in the reg season also, but can't say how well that's held up lately.

What dont you get. Perhaps I could explain more.

I think the part about Bears=Good offense

 

[tamales]

I don't get " Robbie Gould- Good offense" but nice recap of most of the top PKs.Years ago I also remember someone saying PKs who did well pre-season usually did well in the reg season also, but can't say how well that's held up lately.

What dont you get. Perhaps I could explain more.

I think the part about Bears=Good offense

Werent they the best offense for the first half of last year. Dont they have the same personnel? This is not exactly a bad offense we're talking about.

 

[Zoomanji]

I don't get " Robbie Gould- Good offense" but nice recap of most of the top PKs.Years ago I also remember someone saying PKs who did well pre-season usually did well in the reg season also, but can't say how well that's held up lately.

What dont you get. Perhaps I could explain more.

I think the part about Bears=Good offense

Werent they the best offense for the first half of last year. Dont they have the same personnel? This is not exactly a bad offense we're talking about.

Not to continue this but...They play 16 games not 8TJ is gone and Benson hasn't exactly looked greatRex is still RexI have Gould in my top 12 but he does have to kick in Chicago in Nov & Dec.I'd rather have Akers- Better offense, too bad they score TDs instead of FGs

 

[tamales]

I don't get " Robbie Gould- Good offense" but nice recap of most of the top PKs.

Years ago I also remember someone saying PKs who did well pre-season usually did well in the reg season also, but can't say how well that's held up lately.

What dont you get. Perhaps I could explain more.

I think the part about Bears=Good offense

Werent they the best offense for the first half of last year. Dont they have the same personnel? This is not exactly a bad offense we're talking about.

Not to continue this but...They play 16 games not 8

TJ is gone and Benson hasn't exactly looked great

Rex is still Rex

I have Gould in my top 12 but he does have to kick in Chicago in Nov & Dec.

I'd rather have Akers- Better offense, too bad they score TDs instead of FGs

Last I checked this is a kicker thread

 

[Preds]

I like Joe Nedney in San Francisco as a sleeper Kicker this year.

He has a strong leg and plays on an improving offense. One that I suspect will struggle in the redzone and result in FG opportunities. The Niners Defense should also be significantly improved which should result in better field position for the offense on many occasions. and thus create more FG opportunities.

The Niners also play against 3 weak defenses in the division.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Gostkowski.

 

[BigRed]

I like Joe Nedney in San Francisco as a sleeper Kicker this year. He has a strong leg and plays on an improving offense. One that I suspect will struggle in the redzone and result in FG opportunities. The Niners Defense should also be significantly improved which should result in better field position for the offense on many occasions. and thus create more FG opportunities. The Niners also play against 3 weak defenses in the division.

Agree - he may get my backup PK slot.Dear God, I'm talking backup PKs.

 

[chris1969]

:killallthekickersandletthepunterssortthemout: