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Tom Brady: Ex-Patriots "Don't Have A Clue" (1 Viewer)

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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 19, 2011, 9:45 AM EDT

Well, Chad Ochocinco made some progress in Week Two.

After one catch in the opener, Ochocinco grabbed two passes for 45 yards against the Chargers. Both plays came early. You got the sense Tom Brady and the coaches wanted to get Ocho involved early to shut everyone one up for a while.

“None of those guys have any clue what they’re talking about,” Tom Brady said Monday morning on WEEI when asked about criticism of Ochocinco from ex-Patriots like Tedy Bruschi and Rodney Harrison. “They aren’t in this locker room.”

Brady prefaced this by saying how much he loved and respected his ex-teammates. Brady just firmly said they don’t understand the dynamics of the 2011 Patriots.
My thought was EXACTLY. I thought the Bruschi business last week was a joke. And Harrison too. They came off as bitter has beens. But wondering what you guys thought.

J

 
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It looks like Tedy is transforming into one of those "boo-yah" ESPN characters. Saying things to hear himself talk.

 
It looks like Tedy is transforming into one of those "boo-yah" ESPN characters. Saying things to hear himself talk.
All sports media is like this. Teddy is no different than anyone else. They say things to get attention to get ratings. He's just doing the requirements of his job.The Boston media in general is all over Ochocinco right now, it's not just Bruschi.
 
I agree with Brady.

I usually like Harrisons comments but I do think he was off-base to make statements after one week and a big win. As far as Tedy goes, the guy has a new job and is trying to stir up crap to get his name out there..it looks way too forced.

 
Bruschi and Harrison should certainly know better. I guess they have short memories of Tom Jackson's proclaimation that the Patriots "hate their coach" after the 31-0 loss to the Bills in 2003. To a man, the Patriots players thought that Jackson was out of line for trying to pretend like he was in the Patriots locker room and now they're doing the same thing. Kind of hypocritical.

 
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I think Rodney Harrison is the worst football analysts on TV, and that's saying something. I can NOT figure (other than letting his contract play out) what that network sees in making him a marquee guy on their prime time coverage.

Back to the topic at hand, I think Brady is 100% right. But then again I don't know if that's really an out of consensus opinion.

 
why should he even say anything? he and ocho and the current pats. know whats up in the locker room. guys like bruschi are just trying to be relevent.

but, i understand he's asked certain questions, he repsonds how he sees fit. Its good he sticks up for his guys.

this is just something to not even think about unless you drafted ocho.

the pats are winning, impressively.

 
THANK YOU TOM BRADY!

Bruschi is a joke and is fighting hard to stay in the limelight. It's shameless and sad that he goes to those levels to stay relevant in the media. It was a very "LOOK AT ME" moment and I've lost all respect for him as anything other than a solid former nfl player.

 
Yeah, I thought all the talk about how those guys knew what was really going on in NE and that it was really a message from BB was a bunch of hogwash.

I can imagine that BB would not be happy with Ocho if he hasn't learned the playbook well enough yet, but going outside the organization to a member of the media, ANY member of the media, is a MUCH worse sin in BB's eyes than not knowing the playbook. Keeping things in-house is pretty much the #1 rule if you're a Patriot.

So the idea that this was a message from BB or from someone else inside the team just rang hollow to me from the start.

 
Being a TV/media talking head is a competitive business. You get gigs and make money based on people paying attention to you, not being right or having insightful commentary. The ex-Pats are just playing the cards they know will work, being commenting on the lightning rod Ochocinco as it relates to their former team. It is sad, but the truth is that both of them have likely at least somewhat furthered their careers by this grandstanding even if they are completely off base.

 
i think Brady should not get involved with these conversations.
Why not? He's protecting the guy he is going to need this season. I think it's good he is standing up for Ochocinco publicly. Privately, I have no idea what he is thinking but you don't want to lose the guy.
I agree. Not to mention he's a leader of this team and that's his job. Teddy talks like he's still a leader, but he's not so the real leader needs to step up and tell them it's no longer their place regardless of intentions.
 
As a non-Pats fan, I'm starting to like Tom more lately. The "lubed up" comment and now this make me like him more, he's not just a robot. I love that he said that and now Tedy and Rodney have no choice but to stand down.

 
They came off as bitter has beens.
Bitter with a nice big dose of condescension thrown in for good measure. Wouldn't surprise me if Tom and Bill both are tired of the Patriot 'stigma' they seem to carry around now. Bill seems like he is loosening up in his old age.
 
They came off as bitter has beens.
Bitter with a nice big dose of condescension thrown in for good measure. Wouldn't surprise me if Tom and Bill both are tired of the Patriot 'stigma' they seem to carry around now. Bill seems like he is loosening up in his old age.
I agree. As a Patriots hater, I like Brady better now. He is being a leader and standing up for his guy in public.As for Tedy and Harrison, their criticism of Ocho would be more appropriate if the team were 0-2, Branch were hurt, and Ocho hadn't done anything. But to bash one player for not doing enough when the team is winning and getting production from the guys who are playing seems foolish. As others have said, they are doing what you do to get attention. I remember when Tiki Barber retired and proceeded to bag on Eli Manning, saying he would never win a SB. I think that was the year NY went on to win a SB so it was actually pretty funny. Anyway, I just don't pay that much attention to these kinds of comments from the media unless the reporter has a track record of being proven right.
 
As a non-Pats fan, I'm starting to like Tom more lately. The "lubed up" comment and now this make me like him more, he's not just a robot. I love that he said that and now Tedy and Rodney have no choice but to stand down.
My prediction on Bruschi / Harrison's next move: They say something like "I understand Tom completely. Having your teammates back, even if he's a teammate like Ochocinco, IS the Patriot way. That's exactly what Ochocinco doesn't get. He's too in awe of things and doesn't understand the team first "Patriot Way". Hopefully Brady will be able to get through to him. I think he will. In fact, I predict Ochocinco to top 100 yards this week with a minimum of 1 TD"We'll see soon enough but I bet you hear something like that from them.

J

 
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i think Brady should not get involved with these conversations.
Why not? He's protecting the guy he is going to need this season. I think it's good he is standing up for Ochocinco publicly. Privately, I have no idea what he is thinking but you don't want to lose the guy.
:goodposting:J
When you have shown the amount of class Tom has, and he speaks a thought like this, you listen instead of critisize. Tom is as respected as Bill aorund there.
 
I think you guys might be coming down a bit one-sided against Bruschi / Harrison, it was Ocho that put himself out there with the initial Tweet. I'm sure the networks came to both of their analysts and asked what their experience was on the situation, since they would have a better perspective than Joe Blow off the street. I like that Brady is trying to move on and supporting his guy. I don't think it is a revelation that Ocho hasn't got the playbook down, I think it was pretty well documented. Everyone was anticipating the second coming of Randy Moss from Ocho and that obviously hasn't happened. From all of this, which I think is really a pretty big non-issue, I hope Ocho tries to dial down his phone tweets and concentrates on playing, but he's going to do these types of things. Everyone talked about Bruschi / Harrison trying to keep themselves relevant, Ocho has been pulling stunts to draw attention to himself for years. I like the antics for the most part, I still think sending his book to the opposing DB's and having it put in their lockers was pretty funny. We'll see if he can continue to get away with the same things in NE or if they can keep him in check.

 
Offshoot question: Does Brady always talk to WEEI like this? With as much of a tight rein that Belichick likes to keep on "outside" talk, it seems a little surprising that Brady would be talking this much. Thinking back, seems I remember him doing a good bit of this though.

How is this viewed? Between this and the "lubed up" thing, he definitely seems to feel like he has way more freedom than he does at the official stuff post game or through the week.

Thoughts?

J

 
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Offshoot question: Does Brady always talk to WEEI like this? With as much of a tight rein that Belichick likes to keep on "outside" talk, it seems a little surprising that Brady would be talking this much. Thinking back, seems I remember him doing a good bit of this though. How is this viewed? Between this and the "lubed up" thing, he definitely seems to feel like he has way more freedom than he does at the official stuff post game or through the week.Thoughts?J
I usually catch Brady's weekly interview on WEEI and he has always been very candid. Being the caliber of player he is, he can get away with being more vocal then other players on the team. He always gives credit to his teammates when the win and accepts responsibility when he makes a mistake. I think he did the right thing defending Ocho Cinco. He is on the team, Bruschi and Harrison aren't. The seem to think their opinions have merit since they are ex-Patriots.
 
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I think you guys might be coming down a bit one-sided against Bruschi / Harrison, it was Ocho that put himself out there with the initial Tweet. I'm sure the networks came to both of their analysts and asked what their experience was on the situation, since they would have a better perspective than Joe Blow off the street. I like that Brady is trying to move on and supporting his guy. I don't think it is a revelation that Ocho hasn't got the playbook down, I think it was pretty well documented. Everyone was anticipating the second coming of Randy Moss from Ocho and that obviously hasn't happened. From all of this, which I think is really a pretty big non-issue, I hope Ocho tries to dial down his phone tweets and concentrates on playing, but he's going to do these types of things. Everyone talked about Bruschi / Harrison trying to keep themselves relevant, Ocho has been pulling stunts to draw attention to himself for years. I like the antics for the most part, I still think sending his book to the opposing DB's and having it put in their lockers was pretty funny. We'll see if he can continue to get away with the same things in NE or if they can keep him in check.
I do think that's pretty much the issue though. Ocho's tweet was 100% harmless. If you can't say "wow - this offense is a machine", they should just say no twitter allowed.The fact that Ochocinco complimented his QB and Bruschi went nuts is the story here. (And granted, it's zero football news - just tabloid type stuff that we talk about)When Ochocinco was not involved Week 1, I wondered if he'd pout or do something negative like some prime WRs are known to do. Instead, he comes out with what I thought was the perfect response. And one that is totally in line with everything we've been hearing about how he feels like he's "in heaven" in this offense.But Bruschi goes off like the jealous ex boyfriend with a rant that makes zero sense. I think that's the story. And yes, at least we're talking about him which as others have said, is probably the only real point.J
 
Bruschi and Harrison should certainly know better. I guess they have short memories of Tom Jackson's proclaimation that the Patriots "hate their coach" after the 31-0 loss to the Bills in 2003. To a man, the Patriots players thought that Jackson was out of line for trying to pretend like he was in the Patriots locker room and now they're doing the same thing. Kind of hypocritical.
this. :goodposting:
 
Offshoot question: Does Brady always talk to WEEI like this? With as much of a tight rein that Belichick likes to keep on "outside" talk, it seems a little surprising that Brady would be talking this much. Thinking back, seems I remember him doing a good bit of this though. How is this viewed? Between this and the "lubed up" thing, he definitely seems to feel like he has way more freedom than he does at the official stuff post game or through the week.Thoughts?J
I usually catch Brady's weekly interview on WEEI and he has always been very candid. Being the caliber of player he is, he can get away with being more vocal then other players on the team. He always praises his teammates and accepts responsibility when he makes a mistake.
Thanks. Do you know how this is viewed by Belichick? J
 
I agree with Brady.I usually like Harrisons comments but I do think he was off-base to make statements after one week and a big win. As far as Tedy goes, the guy has a new job and is trying to stir up crap to get his name out there..it looks way too forced.
Harrison lost credibility for me, when earlier this week he went on for several minutes talking about how he used to ease up on a hit when he saw the player wasn't going to be able to protect themselves or was in a bad position. That, from a guy with a rep as a cheap shot artist. He made the comments when going on a rant how players have been going at other players knees.
 
Offshoot question: Does Brady always talk to WEEI like this? With as much of a tight rein that Belichick likes to keep on "outside" talk, it seems a little surprising that Brady would be talking this much. Thinking back, seems I remember him doing a good bit of this though. How is this viewed? Between this and the "lubed up" thing, he definitely seems to feel like he has way more freedom than he does at the official stuff post game or through the week.Thoughts?J
I usually catch Brady's weekly interview on WEEI and he has always been very candid. Being the caliber of player he is, he can get away with being more vocal then other players on the team. He always praises his teammates and accepts responsibility when he makes a mistake.
Thanks. Do you know how this is viewed by Belichick? J
Both Belichick and Brady do weekly segments on WEEI and I don't think Belichick has any problem at all with Brady doing the show. Dennis & Callahan (the hosts for the segment) usually ask the tough questions, but also usually pad the question with a snide remark about how they will get the pat answer...which they usually do. So there is the typical post-game press conference type of stuff. Belichick's segment on the station is probably less candid, although you do get some of the lighter side of Bill as they joke around. But that segment is mostly all coach-speak.If you really are interested, the station has a podcast feed of all their Patriots content, which includes these two segments, as well as a lot of other player interviews.:http://audio.weei.com/hosting/feed/1598202/rss.xml
 
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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 19, 2011, 9:45 AM EDT

Well, Chad Ochocinco made some progress in Week Two.

After one catch in the opener, Ochocinco grabbed two passes for 45 yards against the Chargers. Both plays came early. You got the sense Tom Brady and the coaches wanted to get Ocho involved early to shut everyone one up for a while.

"None of those guys have any clue what they're talking about," Tom Brady said Monday morning on WEEI when asked about criticism of Ochocinco from ex-Patriots like Tedy Bruschi and Rodney Harrison. "They aren't in this locker room."

Brady prefaced this by saying how much he loved and respected his ex-teammates. Brady just firmly said they don't understand the dynamics of the 2011 Patriots.
My thought was EXACTLY. I thought the Bruschi business last week was a joke. And Harrison too. They came off as bitter has beens. But wondering what you guys thought.

J
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Being a TV/media talking head is a competitive business. You get gigs and make money based on people paying attention to you, not being right or having insightful commentary. The ex-Pats are just playing the cards they know will work, being commenting on the lightning rod Ochocinco as it relates to their former team. It is sad, but the truth is that both of them have likely at least somewhat furthered their careers by this grandstanding even if they are completely off base.
:goodposting:
 
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1. Brady was absolutely right to visibly take on Bruschi and Harrison. A leader steps up and protects his troops.

2. This does NOT mean that Brady actually believes anything that he said - for all we know, Brady deep down agrees with Bruschi and Harrison and is thinking to himself "yeah, Ocho has no clue how to play like a Patriot yet"

3. It's amusing to me that people take anything Brady says at face value. He is a master at playing the media like a politician would do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.

 
3. It's amusing to me that people take anything Brady says at face value. He is a master at playing the media like a politician would do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.
Yes. Because he wants us to think that he is just really, really, REALLY, REALLY excited about going down waterslides. Wheeeeeeee!!!!!
 
Offshoot question: Does Brady always talk to WEEI like this? With as much of a tight rein that Belichick likes to keep on "outside" talk, it seems a little surprising that Brady would be talking this much. Thinking back, seems I remember him doing a good bit of this though. How is this viewed? Between this and the "lubed up" thing, he definitely seems to feel like he has way more freedom than he does at the official stuff post game or through the week.Thoughts?J
I usually catch Brady's weekly interview on WEEI and he has always been very candid. Being the caliber of player he is, he can get away with being more vocal then other players on the team. He always praises his teammates and accepts responsibility when he makes a mistake.
Thanks. Do you know how this is viewed by Belichick? J
Both Belichick and Brady do weekly segments on WEEI and I don't think Belichick has any problem at all with Brady doing the show. Dennis & Callahan (the hosts for the segment) usually ask the tough questions, but also usually pad the question with a snide remark about how they will get the pat answer...which they usually do. So there is the typical post-game press conference type of stuff. Belichick's segment on the station is probably less candid, although you do get some of the lighter side of Bill as they joke around. But that segment is mostly all coach-speak.If you really are interested, the station has a podcast feed of all their Patriots content, which includes these two segments, as well as a lot of other player interviews.:http://audio.weei.com/hosting/feed/1598202/rss.xml
Awesome. Thanks a lot.J
 
As a fan of a team victimized by the Pats a LOT over the past 6-8 years, I hate on-the-field Tom Brady.

As a fan of the NFL, it's virtually impossible not to like the dude. He's everything a leader should be; leading by example and vocally. He always says the right thing, and taking up for Ocho is exactly the right move. Even Bruschi and Harrison probably agree with Brady's stance (defending a teammate) even if they disagree with the substance.

 
I think Rodney Harrison is the worst football analysts on TV, and that's saying something. I can NOT figure (other than letting his contract play out) what that network sees in making him a marquee guy on their prime time coverage.

Back to the topic at hand, I think Brady is 100% right. But then again I don't know if that's really an out of consensus opinion.
And yet, still better than Dungy. :shrug:
 
They came off as bitter has beens.
Bitter with a nice big dose of condescension thrown in for good measure. Wouldn't surprise me if Tom and Bill both are tired of the Patriot 'stigma' they seem to carry around now. Bill seems like he is loosening up in his old age.
I agree. As a Patriots hater, I like Brady better now. He is being a leader and standing up for his guy in public.As for Tedy and Harrison, their criticism of Ocho would be more appropriate if the team were 0-2, Branch were hurt, and Ocho hadn't done anything. But to bash one player for not doing enough when the team is winning and getting production from the guys who are playing seems foolish.

As others have said, they are doing what you do to get attention. I remember when Tiki Barber retired and proceeded to bag on Eli Manning, saying he would never win a SB. I think that was the year NY went on to win a SB so it was actually pretty funny. Anyway, I just don't pay that much attention to these kinds of comments from the media unless the reporter has a track record of being proven right.
Bruschi = Tiki Jr. I hope Chad tweets that.
 
They came off as bitter has beens.
Bitter with a nice big dose of condescension thrown in for good measure. Wouldn't surprise me if Tom and Bill both are tired of the Patriot 'stigma' they seem to carry around now. Bill seems like he is loosening up in his old age.
I agree. As a Patriots hater, I like Brady better now. He is being a leader and standing up for his guy in public.As for Tedy and Harrison, their criticism of Ocho would be more appropriate if the team were 0-2, Branch were hurt, and Ocho hadn't done anything. But to bash one player for not doing enough when the team is winning and getting production from the guys who are playing seems foolish.

As others have said, they are doing what you do to get attention. I remember when Tiki Barber retired and proceeded to bag on Eli Manning, saying he would never win a SB. I think that was the year NY went on to win a SB so it was actually pretty funny. Anyway, I just don't pay that much attention to these kinds of comments from the media unless the reporter has a track record of being proven right.
Bruschi = Tiki Jr. I hope Chad tweets that.
Not sure what Ocho has to gain by getting into a war of words with an ex-Pat who is/was loved in NE during their run. If I'm Ocho's agent, I tell him that by not tweeting anything, he comes off as the adult.
 
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'FDC said:
'Joe Bryant said:
They came off as bitter has beens.
Bitter with a nice big dose of condescension thrown in for good measure. Wouldn't surprise me if Tom and Bill both are tired of the Patriot 'stigma' they seem to carry around now. Bill seems like he is loosening up in his old age.
I agree. As a Patriots hater, I like Brady better now. He is being a leader and standing up for his guy in public.As for Tedy and Harrison, their criticism of Ocho would be more appropriate if the team were 0-2, Branch were hurt, and Ocho hadn't done anything. But to bash one player for not doing enough when the team is winning and getting production from the guys who are playing seems foolish.

As others have said, they are doing what you do to get attention. I remember when Tiki Barber retired and proceeded to bag on Eli Manning, saying he would never win a SB. I think that was the year NY went on to win a SB so it was actually pretty funny. Anyway, I just don't pay that much attention to these kinds of comments from the media unless the reporter has a track record of being proven right.
Bruschi = Tiki Jr. I hope Chad tweets that.
That's exactly what I was thinking. But the smart move for Ochocinco is to just ignore. Let everyone else do the talking for him.J

 

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