Tony Moeaki (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

After Jermichael Finley got hurt, I grabbed Moeaki from waivers in my league. I already had Aaron Hernandez on my bench, but the Shark Pool and Footballguys were high on Moeaki, whom I had never watched (I usually don't get a chance to watch KC). So based on Footballguys projections, I started him last week. Obviously it didn't work out, he was only targeted 3 times and had 2 catches for 21 yards.

So I was ready to dump him again. But then I just looked at David Dodd's early projections for this week, and he's got Moeaki even higher, 3rd among all all TEs. What gives? Was last week an aberration? Is there good reason to believe that Moeaki will be a valuable TE to own and start for the rest of the year? Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

[menobrown]

I'm going off memory but I think up until last week he led the Chiefs in receptions and targets in every game. So yes I'd say last week was more of an aberration from what we've seen so far and part of it has to do with the Texan leaky secondary allowing for a guy like Bowe to have a "breakout" game.

 

[Futz]

You are going to see downer games from all players at some point or another. It's because teams vehemently game plan to stop certain players (Moeaki or Zack Miller this week) in an attempt to cut off what is working for that particular team. It's the team's job to figure another approach for that particular game. KC went to Bowe and it worked. Oakland, well, not so much. We will never know when a defense is game planning for certain players and to guess is fruitless.

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

Truly talented players don't get stopped on a consistent basis and these are the players you add and start with confidence despite a downer week.

...and yes, I'm starting Moeaki this week.

 

[timschochet]

Truly talented players don't get stopped on a consistent basis and these are the players you add and start with confidence despite a downer week.

That's the main question, I guess. I had never even heard of Moeaki until two weeks ago. I haven't watched him, and even if I did, I don't know enough to say, "That is truly talented player." Is he? He got a lot of targets the first several weeks, but will he continue to? This is the answer I am looking for.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Truly talented players don't get stopped on a consistent basis and these are the players you add and start with confidence despite a downer week.

That's the main question, I guess. I had never even heard of Moeaki until two weeks ago. I haven't watched him, and even if I did, I don't know enough to say, "That is truly talented player." Is he? He got a lot of targets the first several weeks, but will he continue to? This is the answer I am looking for.

I had never heard of Jermichael Finley until midway last season.

 

[timschochet]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

 

[Captain Hook]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

Because the Chiefs are home against Jacksonville

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

1. Talent2. Performance3. Situation4. Match-up

 

[Futz]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

Well I appreciate you being frank with your answer but it would be pretty clear to me that Dodd's must find Moeaki to be pretty talented despite one bad performance in order to keep ranking him so high. Couple that with a fine matchup v. Jax and well there you have it. I tend to agree.Moeaki is for real, but just like all WRs/TEs, they can disappear in the game planning from time to time.

 

[Futz]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

Not to get off track here Tim but I find it interesting that someone relies so heavily on someone else to do their work in a hobbie such as fantasy football. Do you do this in an attempt at a money grab or is this just something you do to make the games interesting?I ask because the most rewarding aspect of all this for me is never the money. It's the fact that I match wits with my comrades and I hopefully prevail with my own intellect and gut instincts.

 

[Black]

Wondering the SAME thing after looking at today's rankings. Haven't started him, but picked him up in Dynasty.

He has incredible hands/concentration; have seen some of his games. He is not at the top of targets though, esp after last week, and I don't love Cassell, Weis, or Haley.

 

[renesauz]

Really wondering why we go through this every week.



"Player X is ranked awfully high this week...why?", or, "Dodds has player Y all the way down at #ZZZ....is he smoking crack?"

Guys...it's Tuesday. The rankings are preliminary. There's no sense in questioning the rankings until at least Thursday.

 

[Steed]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-pl...b4/Oh-my-Moeaki

He's got some talent

 

[Jene Bramel]

TE with talent vs JAX:

Gates 5-57-2

Celek 4-42

Clark 7-68-1

Scaife 4-53-1

Daniel Graham (2-36) and the Bills' TE struggled a bit.

The Jaguars have been shuffling their safeties every week without improvement. The current group (Sean Considine, Courtney Greene and Don Carey) are well below average in coverage. The nickel corners aren't a good matchup either. Daryl Smith had held his own in man coverage in the past, but is getting worked over this year. Clark in particular beat him repeatedly.

Moeaki isn't Antonio Gates, but he's got some of the same qualities that Clark does and is certainly as talented as Scaife.

It's a great matchup for all Chiefs' receivers this week.

 

[steelwind]

It's wed projections. Could change by Friday.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

After Jermichael Finley got hurt, I grabbed Moeaki from waivers in my league. I already had Aaron Hernandez on my bench, but the Shark Pool and Footballguys were high on Moeaki, whom I had never watched (I usually don't get a chance to watch KC). So based on Footballguys projections, I started him last week. Obviously it didn't work out, he was only targeted 3 times and had 2 catches for 21 yards. So I was ready to dump him again. But then I just looked at David Dodd's early projections for this week, and he's got Moeaki even higher, 3rd among all all TEs. What gives? Was last week an aberration? Is there good reason to believe that Moeaki will be a valuable TE to own and start for the rest of the year? Anyone have thoughts on this?

3 is too high and since this is very early in the week I would expect his ranking to drop out of the top 5 for the week and more of a mid to low end TE for the week considering the matchup.

 

[otb_lifer]

.... Bear in mind that this week we are looking at having no: Clark, Pettigrew, Keller, Daniels (byes) ... Gates, Davis and Cooley are looking dodgy at this point of the week with their injuries ... so there goes seven quality TE's right off the top ... if all seven were healthy and in play this week, methinks Mr. Moekai might not be so high up in the prelim rankings.

 

[AgentMulder]

Really wondering why we go through this every week.



"Player X is ranked awfully high this week...why?", or, "Dodds has player Y all the way down at #ZZZ....is he smoking crack?"

Guys...it's Tuesday. The rankings are preliminary. There's no sense in questioning the rankings until at least Thursday.

I hear ya, you have to wait until all the data is in for the week. Still I did have to raise mye eyebrows when I saw Fitzgerald ranked #1 in the WR section for the week. Seattle at home is a LOT different than Seattle on the road and did Kurt Warner come out of retirement? I mean it's of course possible, but he wouldn't be my #1 for the week even with the limited data that's available.

 

[Jene Bramel]

.... Bear in mind that this week we are looking at having no: Clark, Pettigrew, Keller, Daniels (byes) ... Gates, Davis and Cooley are looking dodgy at this point of the week with their injuries ... so there goes seven quality TE's right off the top ... if all seven were healthy and in play this week, methinks Mr. Moekai might not be so high up in the prelim rankings.

Moeaki's currently projected numbers would have ranked him 9th-10th last week.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

he's pretty good, has a great matchup, and Cassel seems to be heating up lately.

 

[degenerate]

as an ex-finley owner, i love me some moeaki this week/going forward, but if he has a bad game with this matchup, i may have to move on

 

[timschochet]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

Not to get off track here Tim but I find it interesting that someone relies so heavily on someone else to do their work in a hobbie such as fantasy football. Do you do this in an attempt at a money grab or is this just something you do to make the games interesting?I ask because the most rewarding aspect of all this for me is never the money. It's the fact that I match wits with my comrades and I hopefully prevail with my own intellect and gut instincts.

No, I do it for the fun of it just like you do. But I'm a working man with two young kids- I don't know your situation but I don't have the time to watch a lot of football. During the week I can spend time on the computer (and obviously I do) but when the weekend comes around I usually am able to watch one game (usually my Steelers) and/or a few bits and pieces of others. I need to rely on this website to tell me who a Tony Moeaki is and what he may do.

 

[cvnpoka]

Really wondering why we go through this every week.



"Player X is ranked awfully high this week...why?", or, "Dodds has player Y all the way down at #ZZZ....is he smoking crack?"

Guys...it's Tuesday. The rankings are preliminary. There's no sense in questioning the rankings until at least Thursday.

mebbe dodds should put a disclaimer as a heading for his early rankings. seems we have this every tuesday.

 

[Abstract]

I love these kinda threads. Everytime I see some questioning a players ranking, that player usually ends up blowing up that week. I'm starting Moeaki with confidence now

 

[timschochet]

I love these kinda threads. Everytime I see some questioning a players ranking, that player usually ends up blowing up that week. I'm starting Moeaki with confidence now

Just to clarify, I am not arguing against the ranking. I hope it's true. I'm just curious as to the thought process behind it. What bothered me about the game last week, from the stats, was not that Moeaki only caught 2 balls, but that he was only targeted 3 times. If he is to be considered a top 10 TE going forward, he needs to be targeted more than that. That's why I considered actually dropping him this week. Tight ends who get targeted even 4-5 times a game are a dime a dozen. What you want is those tight ends who get targeted at least 7-8 times a game; those will give you the sort of steady production I'm looking for. I don't need TDs out of my tight end position, but I want a fairly consistent number of points every week.

 

[Please See Mine]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

 

[nysportsfan]

:sehorn:

Keeping an eye on the Gates situation, will likely pick up Moeaki if Gates can't go.

 

[amnesiac]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

 

[amnesiac]

honestly without knowing anything about your leagues, i can't believe he's on the waiver wire at this point.

 

[nysportsfan]

honestly without knowing anything about your leagues, i can't believe he's on the waiver wire at this point.

Knowing little about your league, I can't believe he's rostered in yours

 

[Futz]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

Not to get off track here Tim but I find it interesting that someone relies so heavily on someone else to do their work in a hobbie such as fantasy football. Do you do this in an attempt at a money grab or is this just something you do to make the games interesting?I ask because the most rewarding aspect of all this for me is never the money. It's the fact that I match wits with my comrades and I hopefully prevail with my own intellect and gut instincts.

No, I do it for the fun of it just like you do. But I'm a working man with two young kids- I don't know your situation but I don't have the time to watch a lot of football. During the week I can spend time on the computer (and obviously I do) but when the weekend comes around I usually am able to watch one game (usually my Steelers) and/or a few bits and pieces of others. I need to rely on this website to tell me who a Tony Moeaki is and what he may do.

That's fair, and I can relate to the family thing. I get to watch football but not as much as I'd like to. When I have down time though I will dig around for video on players. I just was curious because the OP came across like you were second guessing the very hand that had been feeding you. Now I see it's more or less a "could you explain to me the talent that is Moeaki" and not some dig on Dodds.

 

[Futz]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

I think the :X is in regards to the fact that the OP doesn't have time to pay attention to football but does have time to be on a FF dedicated chat forum, can pay attention to rankings, and attempts to play fantasy football almost entirely based on the knowledge of others.I could be wrong though.

 

[amnesiac]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

I think the is in regards to the fact that the OP doesn't have time to pay attention to football but does have time to be on a FF dedicated chat forum, can pay attention to rankings, and attempts to play fantasy football almost entirely based on the knowledge of others.I could be wrong though.

huh. i guess i'm in the same boat. i have time to read in the offseason, and can barely keep up inseason. if i get to watch a game or a game and a half on sunday, i'm lucky.

but i seem to do OK.

just thought it was odd to be laughing at someone who has different circumstances than they might have.

 

[Futz]

huh. i guess i'm in the same boat. i have time to read in the offseason, and can barely keep up inseason. if i get to watch a game or a game and a half on sunday, i'm lucky.but i seem to do OK. just thought it was odd to be laughing at someone who has different circumstances than they might have.

No one is laughing at his circumstances, just that he farms out work and then appeared to be second guessing his employee Dodds. It seemed a bit goofy to me.

 

[Brett's Crocs]

I should go with Heath miller this week since i sat him last week for moeki, but i will give him one more chance...

 

[amnesiac]

huh. i guess i'm in the same boat. i have time to read in the offseason, and can barely keep up inseason. if i get to watch a game or a game and a half on sunday, i'm lucky.but i seem to do OK. just thought it was odd to be laughing at someone who has different circumstances than they might have.

No one is laughing at his circumstances, just that he farms out work and then appeared to be second guessing his employee Dodds. It seemed a bit goofy to me.

fair enough. to be honest, i had Moeaki on a few teams before the season ever started.i just get annoyed sometimes by guys contributing nothing to a thread other than a condensending smilie. especially when it is in a thread where a guy is asking for people to share their knowledge with him.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

tim - you have enormous amounts of time. You log more bs hours on hosting esoterical threads in the FFA than (fill in name here) at a Vegas seafoof buffett. Do you f'n homework dude and quite acting like its below you and in need of some quant grunt to fetch it for you. ########.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that.

You would if you spent less time in the FFA.

 

[Da Guru]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-pl...b4/Oh-my-Moeaki

He's got some talent

The kid is an athlete.... That was one hell of a catch!!

 

[nysportsfan]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

tim - you have enormous amounts of time. You log more bs hours on hosting esoterical threads in the FFA than (fill in name here) at a Vegas seafoof buffett. Do you f'n homework dude and quite acting like its below you and in need of some quant grunt to fetch it for you. ########.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

so much Moeaki love in this thread, I keep associating him with this guy and that guy.

 

[tim_whatley]

Not to get off track here Tim but I find it interesting that someone relies so heavily on someone else to do their work in a hobbie such as fantasy football. Do you do this in an attempt at a money grab or is this just something you do to make the games interesting?

I ask because the most rewarding aspect of all this for me is never the money. It's the fact that I match wits with my comrades and I hopefully prevail with my own intellect and gut instincts.

 

[Mooks77]

That's the main question, I guess. I had never even heard of Moeaki until two weeks ago. I haven't watched him, and even if I did, I don't know enough to say, "That is truly talented player." Is he? He got a lot of targets the first several weeks, but will he continue to? This is the answer I am looking for.

For the record Moeaki was a highly touted 4* recruit out of high school and played very well, when he wasn't injured, at Iowa. Kirk Ferentz has said that he was the best TE he ever coached, and that is saying something. If he could have stayed healthy in his 4 years at Iowa he would have been drafted in the 1st or early 2nd round; that is how talented he is. He dropped in the draft because of injury concerns, not because of talent.

 

[Please See Mine]

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

I think the is in regards to the fact that the OP doesn't have time to pay attention to football but does have time to be on a FF dedicated chat forum, can pay attention to rankings, and attempts to play fantasy football almost entirely based on the knowledge of others.I could be wrong though.

huh. i guess i'm in the same boat. i have time to read in the offseason, and can barely keep up inseason. if i get to watch a game or a game and a half on sunday, i'm lucky.

but i seem to do OK.

just thought it was odd to be laughing at someone who has different circumstances than they might have.

Yes, mostly the first part of Futz's post. See also Binky and Pip's posts.Tim could take 1/10 of the time that he spends recounting obscure conversations or drumming up feigned outrage and be a FF superstar.

 

[The Jacket]

Somewhat coincidental and obviously a tiny sample size, but he does have a TD in both games he's played at Arrowhead.

But not completely irrelevant, IMO, because most Chiefs play better at home, particularly on offense. Maybe it's the lack of crowd noise, who knows. Cassel has played better the last few weeks, so I like Moeaki's chances of scoring this week.

The trouble is going to be his upside in targets. He does a good job getting open but the Chiefs only pass it 30-odd times a game, completing 20-22. They should lead early and all the way this week. You've got Bowe, McCluster and Charles to compete with. Eh, not a good start this week IMO.

 

[HoTnickZ]

I don't have much of a problem with these kinds of threads. I think there is some worthwhile discussion as a result.

That said, I love the call. It seems that last week the d focused on Moeaki a bit more (and perhaps the Texans with Cushing, a lot different than without vs TE), and now that Bowe did well, it could be To-Mo's turn.

 

[Nicolas Cocaign]

I'm worried about Vrabel stealing his end zone targets.

 

[SSOG]

TE with talent vs JAX:Gates 5-57-2Celek 4-42Clark 7-68-1Scaife 4-53-1Daniel Graham (2-36) and the Bills' TE struggled a bit.The Jaguars have been shuffling their safeties every week without improvement. The current group (Sean Considine, Courtney Greene and Don Carey) are well below average in coverage. The nickel corners aren't a good matchup either. Daryl Smith had held his own in man coverage in the past, but is getting worked over this year. Clark in particular beat him repeatedly. Moeaki isn't Antonio Gates, but he's got some of the same qualities that Clark does and is certainly as talented as Scaife.It's a great matchup for all Chiefs' receivers this week.

To play devil's advocate... only 7 teams are allowing fewer receiving yards per game to TEs than the Jaguars, and this comes despite the fact that the Jags have already faced Gates and Clark. Football Outsiders rates them 9th against opposing TEs. Gates' 57 yards represent far and away the lowest yardage total of the season for him (by 20 yards) in a game where he didn't get injured.With that said, I think Moeaki is a high-quality talent... and more importantly, I think he's the #1 option in Kansas City. I'd have no problem with starting him against the Jags over almost any other TE. I don't know if I'd rate him 3rd this week, but top 5 or 6 sounds perfectly reasonable.

 

[The Jacket]

I'm worried about Vrabel stealing his end zone targets.

Funny because it's true. The absurd thing is that he's put in to take the D's attention away from that spot, where a TE like Moeaki would be, but Vrabel has 12 career catches -- FOR 12 TOUCHDOWNS!

 

[The Comedian]

The point is that you can't follow Dodd's recommendations or anyone else's for that matter. You need to watch these players for yourself and see what kind of talent they possess and then come to your own conclusions on who to add to your team.

I don't have time to do that. That's why I pay money for Dodd's recommendations, so that he and the other Footballguys will do the homework that I don't have time nor inclination to do for myself. So far it has worked out very well for me. But in this instance I would like some insight into the thinking here as to why Moeaki continues to be ranked so high.

Not to get off track here Tim but I find it interesting that someone relies so heavily on someone else to do their work in a hobbie such as fantasy football. Do you do this in an attempt at a money grab or is this just something you do to make the games interesting?I ask because the most rewarding aspect of all this for me is never the money. It's the fact that I match wits with my comrades and I hopefully prevail with my own intellect and gut instincts.

No, I do it for the fun of it just like you do. But I'm a working man with two young kids- I don't know your situation but I don't have the time to watch a lot of football. During the week I can spend time on the computer (and obviously I do) but when the weekend comes around I usually am able to watch one game (usually my Steelers) and/or a few bits and pieces of others. I need to rely on this website to tell me who a Tony Moeaki is and what he may do.

Maybe cut down on the 9.5 hours you spend in the FFA every day?