Top 10 pitchers to own in 09 (1 Viewer)

[harryhood]

Ill start, in no apparent order.

CC

Lince

Peavy

Santana

Webb

Zambrano

Hamels

Lee

Halliday

Haren

Honorable Mention: Beckett, Lackey, Volquez

Whatcha got, feel free to put a couple sleepers in. I almost wanted to put Price in there but the hype has been way too high in the offseason for my liking.

 

[MAC_32]

Bah, good thread, my updated rankings are on my laptop which I didn't bring to work today. I'll give it a go anyway...

Santana - supposedly Citi Field is supposed to be more pitcher friendly

Peavy - have to accept the low win totals, but the other production he'll provide should make up for it

Webb - consistent but unspectacular

Haren - expecting a repeat of 08

CC - how will he handle the big market and the AL East? I have some doubts, none of which are injury related...yet.

Cliff Lee - he's legit

Lince K - I wasn't concerned of injury last year (drafted him in three of my four leagues), I am this year...and his price is too high

Hamels - fear an injury may be on the horizon

Halladay - consistent and durable, but I don't see him repeating 08 again

Billingsley - potential to step up to the elite this year

Like many previous years I don't expect many of these arms on my roster, there's a lot of upside to be found later at both pitching positions and OF. Hopefully my drafts don't force me into veering away from this strategy.

 

[Captain Hook]

Zambrano doesn't belong on the first list.

...and at least until spring training when people can see him pitch again, Billingsley doesn't belong on the second list (he broke his leg in an accident and while supposed to be ready for spring training, that should be a big enough question mark not to call him Top 10 right now)

Maybe the title should be changed to starting pitchers since I don't see any relievers/closers listed

 

[MAC_32]

Zambrano doesn't belong on the first list....and at least until spring training when people can see him pitch again, Billingsley doesn't belong on the second list (he broke his leg in an accident and while supposed to be ready for spring training, that should be a big enough question mark not to call him Top 10 right now)Maybe the title should be changed to starting pitchers since I don't see any relievers/closers listed

From what I've read Billingsley is expected to be ready for Spring Training, he's in my top 10 until I read otherwise or if he struggles early in ST.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Lincecum

Santana

Sabathia

Halladay

Lee

Peavy

Hamels

Webb

Haren

Nolasco - a bit unproven but he finished last year with 3.54 ERA, 186 K's, and a very low WHIP of 1.10, 15 wins. Other than ERA where it was still only a half a point, his numbers looked very similar to Hamel's.

 

[rotohuff]

Zambrano doesn't belong on the first list....and at least until spring training when people can see him pitch again, Billingsley doesn't belong on the second list (he broke his leg in an accident and while supposed to be ready for spring training, that should be a big enough question mark not to call him Top 10 right now)Maybe the title should be changed to starting pitchers since I don't see any relievers/closers listed

How's it going Perry?

 

[guru_007]

RJ in SF is going to be top 5 this year

 

[MAC_32]

RJ in SF is going to be top 5 this year

How many innings will he pitch?

 

[rotohuff]

RJ in SF is going to be top 5 this year

How many innings will he pitch?

My guess is around 125.

 

[guru_007]

RJ in SF is going to be top 5 this year

How many innings will he pitch?

My guess is around 125.

please, he is well rested. Pitched > 180 innings this year and should easily surpass that as the Giants make a push to win the division this year.

 

[MAC_32]

RJ in SF is going to be top 5 this year

How many innings will he pitch?

My guess is around 125.

please, he is well rested. Pitched > 180 innings this year and should easily surpass that as the Giants make a push to win the division this year.

It's possible, it's also possible his back gives out like it did in 2007. I like his value given his current ADP but to expect top 5 numbers is foolish. If you're a blind homer let me know so I don't waste any more time here.

 

[cobalt_27]

RJ in SF is going to be top 5 this year

How many innings will he pitch?

My guess is around 125.

please, he is well rested. Pitched > 180 innings this year and should easily surpass that as the Giants make a push to win the division this year.

It's possible, it's also possible his back gives out like it did in 2007. I like his value given his current ADP but to expect top 5 numbers is foolish. If you're a blind homer let me know so I don't waste any more time here.

This.No way that back holds up.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Johan Santana

CC Sabathia

Tim Lincecum

Brandon Webb

Jake Peavy

Rich Harden

Dan Haren

Roy Oswalt

Roy Halladay

Cole Hamels

 

[Rebirtha]

 

[Haraldur]

Ill start, in no apparent order.CCLincePeavySantanaWebbZambranoHamelsLeeHallidayHarenHonorable Mention: Beckett, Lackey, VolquezWhatcha got, feel free to put a couple sleepers in. I almost wanted to put Price in there but the hype has been way too high in the offseason for my liking.

That looks pretty solid. I think I would insert Jon Lester instead of Cliff Lee however.

 

[DaddyFatSacks]

Anyone else worried about Webb and injury concerns after he struggled during a few different stretches last season and complained of a dead arm?He tosses a lot of innings, I'm a bit concerned about a break down this year. I could easily see him struggling all season with arm/shoulder issues.

I'm having the same worries, if I get a hint of issues this spring I'm backing off.

 

[ajopiela]

IF Jaba Chamerlain is completly healthy and is inserted in the starting rotation......He will win the AL CY Young

Other guys i like (that haven't been posted here multiple times)

Ervin Santana

Liriano

Slowey

 

[Eviloutsider]

Gallardo will surprise this year and will get you what you need in ERA, Ks, and WHIP.

 

[wilked]

IF Jaba Chamerlain is completly healthy and is inserted in the starting rotation......He will win the AL CY Young

Perhaps he should try to win 5 games first...

 

[The Ghost of Common]

IF Jaba Chamerlain is completly healthy and is inserted in the starting rotation......He will win the AL CY Young

 

[MAC_32]

Gallardo will surprise this year and will get you what you need in ERA, Ks, and WHIP.

Definitely has top 10 potential, I'll be targetting him in all of my drafts.

 

[DaddyFatSacks]

Anyone else worried about Webb and injury concerns after he struggled during a few different stretches last season and complained of a dead arm?He tosses a lot of innings, I'm a bit concerned about a break down this year. I could easily see him struggling all season with arm/shoulder issues.

I'm having the same worries, if I get a hint of issues this spring I'm backing off.

Any updates on Webb's arm? Might be looking at keeping (NL only) Braun, Fielder, Martin instead of Braun, Fielder, Webb.

 

[Finless]

Anyone else worried about Webb and injury concerns after he struggled during a few different stretches last season and complained of a dead arm?He tosses a lot of innings, I'm a bit concerned about a break down this year. I could easily see him struggling all season with arm/shoulder issues.

I'm having the same worries, if I get a hint of issues this spring I'm backing off.

Any updates on Webb's arm? Might be looking at keeping (NL only) Braun, Fielder, Martin instead of Braun, Fielder, Webb.

All the signs are there. Avoid like the plague.

 

[higgins]

 

[kc_syndicate]

I thought this thread might be about SP that will finish in the top 10 and not every lame mag, web-site, know-it-all 's top 10. Not exactly alot of surprises here, I'm just sayin'.

 

[ianfitzy]

I thought this thread might be about SP that will finish in the top 10 and not every lame mag, web-site, know-it-all 's top 10. Not exactly alot of surprises here, I'm just sayin'.

Ok, I will throw out a few names that might break the top 10 if everything goes well...Zack Grienke and Kevin Slowey.Both have something which I love to see, which is a low walk rate. Grienke has the ability to rack up the Ks. If both continue to improve and make the jump this year, they might be studs that can win you your championship. They are also both a little hindered by their teams and this might limit wins, especially in Grienke's case but 15-17 wins with low 3 ERAs and WHIPs between 1.10-1.20 might be a scenario both pitchers can reach.

 

[updater]

I thought this thread might be about SP that will finish in the top 10 and not every lame mag, web-site, know-it-all 's top 10. Not exactly alot of surprises here, I'm just sayin'.

Ok, I will throw out a few names that might break the top 10 if everything goes well...Zack Grienke and Kevin Slowey.Both have something which I love to see, which is a low walk rate. Grienke has the ability to rack up the Ks. If both continue to improve and make the jump this year, they might be studs that can win you your championship. They are also both a little hindered by their teams and this might limit wins, especially in Grienke's case but 15-17 wins with low 3 ERAs and WHIPs between 1.10-1.20 might be a scenario both pitchers can reach.

agree except I think 17 wins is improbable

 

[Finless]

I thought this thread might be about SP that will finish in the top 10 and not every lame mag, web-site, know-it-all 's top 10. Not exactly alot of surprises here, I'm just sayin'.

Should we pick guys who probably won't have a chance at finishing in the top 10? There's not 10 Lee's, Carmona's or Liriano's every year. I like Lester, Nolasco, Parra, Josh Johnson and Chris Carpenter. For my super sleeper breakout pitchers report to my blog.

 

[Smeagol]

Rich Harden is going to win the NL Cy Young.

 

[harryhood]

Rich Harden is going to win the NL Cy Young.

Would love that to be Fact. Number of projected innings pitched in said Cy Young run?

 

[Smeagol]

Rich Harden is going to win the NL Cy Young.

Would love that to be Fact. Number of projected innings pitched in said Cy Young run?

His career high is 189.2 back in 2004. Naturally, I'm penciling him in for 229.1 innings.

 

[MAC_32]

Of those that usually fall out of the top 150 I'm liking Slowey, Scott Baker, Good Weaver, Kawakami, Cueto, Parra, Sonnanstine, Kuroda, and Wandy Rodriguez the most. I'm over looking injury risks like Duscherer, Bedard, Carpenter, Unit, etc. and young fireballers like Kershaw and Scherzer because they're too easy, if they pitch > 180 innings they're probably going to be a steal.

 

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IF Jaba Chamerlain is completly healthy and is inserted in the starting rotation......He will win the AL CY Young

Wow. shadyridr.. is that you?

 

[pantagrapher]

CC Sabathia

Tim Lincecum

Brandon Webb

Dan Haren

Javier Vasquez

Ervin Santana

Roy Halladay

Cole Hamels

Johan Santana

Yovani Gallardo

 

[shadyridr]

IF Jaba Chamerlain is completly healthy and is inserted in the starting rotation......He will win the AL CY Young

Wow. shadyridr.. is that you?

God no

 

[shadyridr]

I think Grienke makes the LEAP this year in the AL

In the NL Id say Gallardo

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Other than the big names....

Wainwright

Gallardo

Harden

are all guys that will help significantly, but not cost you the $s of the big guys mentioned above.

Couple of guys I am eyeballing for risk/reward -

Liriano

Jurjens

Cueto

Volquez

Nolasco

Maine

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Maybe not top 10 but two guys I'm looking to do well this year are Scott Baker and Erik Bedard. Can be had a lot cheaper too.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Other than the big names....WainwrightGallardoHardenare all guys that will help significantly, but not cost you the $s of the big guys mentioned above.Couple of guys I am eyeballing for risk/reward -LirianoJurjensCuetoVolquezNolascoMaine

Careful on Nolasco. His LOB% was well above the league average (and his previous 2 years) and his BAPIP was well below. Those indicate to me that last year was an outlier.

 

[MAC_32]

Other than the big names....WainwrightGallardoHardenare all guys that will help significantly, but not cost you the $s of the big guys mentioned above.Couple of guys I am eyeballing for risk/reward -LirianoJurjensCuetoVolquezNolascoMaine

Careful on Nolasco. His LOB% was well above the league average (and his previous 2 years) and his BAPIP was well below. Those indicate to me that last year was an outlier.

I'm more concerned about him breaking down, but I tend to think that 2007 is his ceiling for 2008. That's not the type of player I'd look to be taking in round 9.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Maybe not top 10 but two guys I'm looking to do well this year are Scott Baker and Erik Bedard. Can be had a lot cheaper too.

I was wondering ig Bedard would make the discussion. He has the talent to rebound, but I'm not sure if he can make it the entire year.

 

[thehornet]

Aside from the consensus top 10, I really like these guys:

(I am not including guys like price, kershaw, cueto because they are just as likely to have average season as they are to have stellar seasons)

Liriano: This one is obvious. I actually think he belongs in the Top 10, but i havent seen him there in any.

Gallardo: Improperly labeled injury prone. This guys stuff is as good as any in the league.

Billingsley: Great Suff, young, durable, pitches in the easiest division in baseball. not much to dislike.

Nolasco: a bit of an injury concern. Flyball pitcher, but tremendous upside. throws a wicked slurve. 2 plus fastballs.

Volquez: brought it together last year after much anticipation. needs to cut down on walks and stay mentally focused

Slowey: control guy, but can and will strike out more than scouts are giving him credit for.

Wainwright: great curve ball, plaus fastball. let's hope he stays out there all year.

Shields: This guy is turning into a horse. 200+IPs, 3.6era, 1.15whip, 170k's, 40walks. ill take it all day, any day.

Greinke: always considered a stud, head issues got in the way. clean mechanics, good physical health, command.

Cain: actually still developing. I see k/9 coming up even higher. mature for his age in terms of smarts on the mound

Josh Johnson: tj surgery still a concern, but this guy can pitch with the best of em. big dude with a nice slider.

I really believe a CY Award might be on this list.

 

[David Yudkin]

Not even an honorable mention for Jon Lester? After the first month of the season last year he had a 2.50 ERA and went 15-4 with a 1.18 WHIP.

 

[Hoos First]

Here is 6:

Brandon Webb

Carlos Zambrano

Clayton Kershaw

Randy Johnson

Randy Wolf

Chris Volstad

 

[ceo3west]

Not even an honorable mention for Jon Lester? After the first month of the season last year he had a 2.50 ERA and went 15-4 with a 1.18 WHIP.

Im a huge Lester fan, will be targeting him in all drafts along with these guys -- Wainwright, J. Johnson, Slowey, Parra.

 

[Finless]

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[thehornet]

Not even an honorable mention for Jon Lester? After the first month of the season last year he had a 2.50 ERA and went 15-4 with a 1.18 WHIP.

It's funny you mention Lester. I live in Boston and love the Sox and I put Lester's talent right up there with most of the guys i mentioned above. He is after all, one of the top up-and-coming lefties in the game. He certainly belongs in this thread.

 

[MAC_32]

Not even an honorable mention for Jon Lester? After the first month of the season last year he had a 2.50 ERA and went 15-4 with a 1.18 WHIP.

I think he is way over valued this year. I don't think he can keep up last year's walk rate and GB% and he benefited from a higher than average strand rate. Add to that his heavier than previous workload which was done by utilizing a heavy dosage of the cutter and you have a heavy injury risk.He's not in my top 40.

 

[Seymour Corn]

Sabathia

Santana

Lincecum

Webb

Hamels

Halladay

Peavy

Haren

Oswalt

Lackey

 

[the moops]

Not even an honorable mention for Jon Lester? After the first month of the season last year he had a 2.50 ERA and went 15-4 with a 1.18 WHIP.

I think he is way over valued this year. I don't think he can keep up last year's walk rate and GB% and he benefited from a higher than average strand rate. Add to that his heavier than previous workload which was done by utilizing a heavy dosage of the cutter and you have a heavy injury risk.He's not in my top 40.

Wait. Lester is not a top 40 pitcher?Seriously?That is crazy talk.