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SameSongNDance

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Ethics is such a fun topic in fantasy football. This week I have a bye in one league and do not see the point in holding onto my K. Is it in any way unethical to drop said kicker and hold onto an extra bench spot player for the week?

 
Fantasy Football is not about making or keeping friends. It's about money. Do it.
I'd rather keep my friends than win a few dollars in a fantasy league. And it's not about the money anyway. It's about the Championships.My advice on "ethical" questions in fantasy football is this:If you're in a league amongst friends or coworkers, err on the side of playing it straight. The edge you're gaining by holding onto your worst player for an extra week is almost none. This applies even more to benching your players so you can dictate who makes the playoffs.If you're in an anonymous league, all bets are off. Do ANYTHING the league software allows you to do to win.
 
In all my leagues, this generally comes up earlier in the year. Every year someone either doesn't draft a kicker, or drops their kicker at the beginning of a week and then uses that spot to carry another player until gameday. We have no problem with it as a strategy, but if your league would object to you not drafting a kicker, then they probably will object to your dropping your kicker now.

 
Fantasy Football is not about making or keeping friends. It's about money. Do it.
Probably shtick, but in case you're serious, fantasy football is about a lot of things. I'm in a league with friends that's been going for 20+ years. In that time, we've all gotten married, had kids, moved all over the country. The league is the primary way we all stay in touch. Fantasy football gives us an excuse to all get together at least once a year on draft day. We play for money but usually the champ ends up using most of his winnings to pay for stuff (food, beer, entertainment) for the following year's draft. Not everyone plays with a bunch of strangers for the sole purpose of winning as much money as possible. Though to the OP, I don't see anything wrong with that move.
 
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
 
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
I like the mentality of someone having to win with the horses that got them there. If a player gets hurt and the owner doesn't have a backup already rostered, they're SOL.
 
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
Yeah...I can see both sides of this. Personaly, I like a setup where the rosters lock EXCEPT that players listed OUT or placed on IR can be replaced by teams still alive. (IE: You don't force playoff teams to carry an extra kicker to cover)I wouldn't make a stink about it, but I do think dropping a kicker just to hold a player for a week, ONLY because you're on a bye, is a bit shady. COuldn't blame the person who did it if legal, but I'd want to close that loop-hole off-season.

 
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The first few seasons in my league, I'd never draft a kicker. I'd use the roster space on flyers and RBs still fighting for the top spot, then right before week 1 started, once the training camp battles were over, I'd decide who to keep and which one to drop to pick up a gameday kicker.

After doing this for three or so years, the commissioner emailed me after the draft... "I noticed you didn't draft a kicker. And you haven't drafted one before, either. Smart move." Since then, he's be doing the same.

No one complained when I did what the OP is suggesting on my bye weeks in the playoffs, either. Drop a useless guy and take a flyer on a possible featured RB taking over due to an injury or extra handcuff. Then once it's time to play for real, figure out who to cut.

 
'Limp Ditka said:
'Bronco Nation said:
'Short Corner said:
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
I like the mentality of someone having to win with the horses that got them there. If a player gets hurt and the owner doesn't have a backup already rostered, they're SOL.
What about the team that has been playing roster roulette all season at WR? or any other position? Why shouldn't that be a viable strategy?
 
'SameSongNDance said:
Ethics is such a fun topic in fantasy football. This week I have a bye in one league and do not see the point in holding onto my K. Is it in any way unethical to drop said kicker and hold onto an extra bench spot player for the week?
LOL how is it even remotely unethical? But I see no tactical advantage in letting a player go for a empty spot on your roster. I might be missing something here. At least fill the roster spot on a speculative add now for free.
 
If I do not have a top tier kicker with good upcoming match ups on my roster then I will drop whatever kicker I have at opening of business every week and do not pick up a replacement until right before kick off. Unless this violates rules of the league or upsets friends/family in the league there is really no reason to carry an average kicker not only on a bye week but even during a normal week.

If people complain about it then it is up you what you do, but it has never been an issue in any of my leagues. Most other owners seem to like that I make other kickers available to them.

 
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I dropped my kicker and picked up Alex Green this morning, if nothing else so that the RB starved teams that are playing this week won't get a freebie. Been playing pro-active/block throughout the year, I'm sure karma will kick me in the ### soon

 
I dropped my kicker and picked up Alex Green this morning, if nothing else so that the RB starved teams that are playing this week won't get a freebie. Been playing pro-active/block throughout the year, I'm sure karma will kick me in the ### soon
This was the example I was going to post. Maybe you want to grab Grant and have the luxury of a week to see if anything shakes out? You are improving your team whether it's for 10 minutes or a week.
 
We have a prize for total point - teams on bye still start a full lineup to rack up points. But if yours doesn't... :shrug:

 
Unless your league has a rule that you must have a valid lineup rostered even when you don't have a game, don't see a problem with it.

Count me in the not understanding why anyone would lock waivers in the playoffs. Someone mentioned the "winning with the horses that got them there".

Many people (correctly) won't carry a backup kicker or tight end, maybe not even a defense depending on league format. So if you suddenly lock rosters, they aren't winning with the horses that got them there, they are having to change their roster because you changed the rules on them. Suddenly now teams who were making wrong roster decisions all season holding onto the backups are rewarded for having made bad decisions in player value, because the rules change midstream.

 
'SameSongNDance said:
Ethics is such a fun topic in fantasy football. This week I have a bye in one league and do not see the point in holding onto my K. Is it in any way unethical to drop said kicker and hold onto an extra bench spot player for the week?
LOL how is it even remotely unethical? But I see no tactical advantage in letting a player go for a empty spot on your roster. I might be missing something here. At least fill the roster spot on a speculative add now for free.
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'SameSongNDance said:
Ethics is such a fun topic in fantasy football. This week I have a bye in one league and do not see the point in holding onto my K. Is it in any way unethical to drop said kicker and hold onto an extra bench spot player for the week?
LOL how is it even remotely unethical? But I see no tactical advantage in letting a player go for a empty spot on your roster. I might be missing something here. At least fill the roster spot on a speculative add now for free.
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"oof" all you want, there is no reason I see to do it, and there is no way it is unethical to do it.
 
'SameSongNDance said:
Ethics is such a fun topic in fantasy football. This week I have a bye in one league and do not see the point in holding onto my K. Is it in any way unethical to drop said kicker and hold onto an extra bench spot player for the week?
LOL how is it even remotely unethical? But I see no tactical advantage in letting a player go for a empty spot on your roster. I might be missing something here. At least fill the roster spot on a speculative add now for free.
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"oof" all you want, there is no reason I see to do it, and there is no way it is unethical to do it.
:lmao: Perhaps you should re-read the OP. It seems you're missing some info that everyone else has.
 
This is not unethical at all imo. In fact, in two of my leagues, it had become enough of an issue that we are required to have a full lineup at all times. Mostly because people like me would hold onto an extra roster spot during the week to see about injuries etc, dropping a player on Saturday or Sunday to pick up a D or K.

 
Unless your league has a rule that you must have a valid lineup rostered even when you don't have a game, don't see a problem with it.Count me in the not understanding why anyone would lock waivers in the playoffs. Someone mentioned the "winning with the horses that got them there".Many people (correctly) won't carry a backup kicker or tight end, maybe not even a defense depending on league format. So if you suddenly lock rosters, they aren't winning with the horses that got them there, they are having to change their roster because you changed the rules on them. Suddenly now teams who were making wrong roster decisions all season holding onto the backups are rewarded for having made bad decisions in player value, because the rules change midstream.
Why are you insinuating that rules are being changed? In our league, everyone knows this from the outset. Manage your roster accordingly.
 
'renesauz said:
'Bronco Nation said:
'Short Corner said:
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
Yeah...I can see both sides of this. Personaly, I like a setup where the rosters lock EXCEPT that players listed OUT or placed on IR can be replaced by teams still alive. (IE: You don't force playoff teams to carry an extra kicker to cover)I wouldn't make a stink about it, but I do think dropping a kicker just to hold a player for a week, ONLY because you're on a bye, is a bit shady. COuldn't blame the person who did it if legal, but I'd want to close that loop-hole off-season.
This is how we been doing it for years. Rosters lock at playoffs. If you can not field a position due to injury then you can make a move but if you have a guy on your roster you have to use him. SO basically you lost your top back but still have Ronnie Hillman on your roster you have to use him.We did implement 1 pickup over the playoffs not due to a full roster a couple years ago, though

 
Thanks for the response guys, I guess the question as to whether it's unethical or not is a bit silly. A little background on the league anyway..

Essentially this league is all high school friends. It's rather competitive though, $150 buy in and such.

The reason why this question may be silly is because I didn't draft a kicker and I don't hold a kicker during the week. I'm the guy who holds extra bench spots all year waiting for news to shake out. I'm paranoid, if I see a potential prospect on the WW I hold them until the very last minute. It just felt a bit odd going into a week without a full roster, but If I'm not playing anyone it shouldn't matter. Oddly enough, I've never thought about this in the past. This whole "not holding a kicker" thing started this year. Is it bush league? Maybe.

ETA: The extra spot did go to Alex Green.

 
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'renesauz said:
'Bronco Nation said:
'Short Corner said:
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
Yeah...I can see both sides of this. Personaly, I like a setup where the rosters lock EXCEPT that players listed OUT or placed on IR can be replaced by teams still alive. (IE: You don't force playoff teams to carry an extra kicker to cover)
I like this less than both other methods. If you're locked out, everyone is out of luck if something happens. If you're not, everyone has the same chance to grab players.In your method, someone could benefit just because they happened to have a guy declared out.

For instance, let's say that the Lesean McCoy injury happened this week and Bryce Brown had yet to blow up. He was sitting on the waiver wire and no one could grab him. After this week, let's say he has a monster game. The only way he's available for someone to pick up is if they have a player declared as out. So, the team who loses their fifth string RB (who they wouldn't start anyway) is now able to grab Bryce Brown, while the other teams are out of luck because some random scrub on their team didn't happen to get injured.

 
'renesauz said:
'Bronco Nation said:
'Short Corner said:
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
Yeah...I can see both sides of this. Personaly, I like a setup where the rosters lock EXCEPT that players listed OUT or placed on IR can be replaced by teams still alive. (IE: You don't force playoff teams to carry an extra kicker to cover)
I like this less than both other methods. If you're locked out, everyone is out of luck if something happens. If you're not, everyone has the same chance to grab players.In your method, someone could benefit just because they happened to have a guy declared out.

For instance, let's say that the Lesean McCoy injury happened this week and Bryce Brown had yet to blow up. He was sitting on the waiver wire and no one could grab him. After this week, let's say he has a monster game. The only way he's available for someone to pick up is if they have a player declared as out. So, the team who loses their fifth string RB (who they wouldn't start anyway) is now able to grab Bryce Brown, while the other teams are out of luck because some random scrub on their team didn't happen to get injured.
In one of my leagues we have a rule like this, but the player you add must play the same position and be from the same NFL team. So if you have LeSean McCoy, and he gets injured, you can pick up Bryce Brown. But if you have some scrub RB5 from Cleveland who gets hurt, you can't. You could just replace him with some other RB from Cleveland.
 
Unless your league has a rule that you must have a valid lineup rostered even when you don't have a game, don't see a problem with it.Count me in the not understanding why anyone would lock waivers in the playoffs. Someone mentioned the "winning with the horses that got them there".Many people (correctly) won't carry a backup kicker or tight end, maybe not even a defense depending on league format. So if you suddenly lock rosters, they aren't winning with the horses that got them there, they are having to change their roster because you changed the rules on them. Suddenly now teams who were making wrong roster decisions all season holding onto the backups are rewarded for having made bad decisions in player value, because the rules change midstream.
Why are you insinuating that rules are being changed? In our league, everyone knows this from the outset. Manage your roster accordingly.
Rules being changed refers to changing the structure of your league setup. Not referring to going into the written copy and making edits.Your league was structured one way, with waivers, which impacted value of players by position and partially drove decisions.Changing to a different structure for the playoffs is far from sticking with the horse that brought you. It's switching to a different horse, one that requires reallocating roster space to backups at positions where an equal backup is normally available on waivers.If a league wants to do that, they can of course. But let's not say it's enforcing keeping things the same. It isn't, it's changing the league structure.
 
'Limp Ditka said:
'Bronco Nation said:
'Short Corner said:
Rosters locked once playoffs start.
I really dislike this idea. Why should roster management stop for the playoffs? Teams that suffer injuries shouldn't be able to replace players with the best the wire has to offer? Emergent players shouldn't be able to be picked up? I disagree.
I like the mentality of someone having to win with the horses that got them there. If a player gets hurt and the owner doesn't have a backup already rostered, they're SOL.
What about the team that has been playing roster roulette all season at WR? or any other position? Why shouldn't that be a viable strategy?
How do you do waivers? Playoffs create a clean slate IMO. All teams are 0-0Say you have 8 teams make the playoffs in a 16 team league.#1 seed wins with the lowest point total of the winners for that given week. Should #1 seed get first dibs on the WW? Doesn't seem fair. Bids might work, but start the dollars over again? Only use what's left over from regular season?Plenty of flaws in any system.
 
'Air Stich said:
'butcher boy said:
Fantasy Football is not about making or keeping friends. It's about money. Do it.
I'd rather keep my friends than win a few dollars in a fantasy league. And it's not about the money anyway. It's about the Championships.
winning a Championship is great, but I'll take the $$$$
 
Unless your league has a rule that you must have a valid lineup rostered even when you don't have a game, don't see a problem with it.Count me in the not understanding why anyone would lock waivers in the playoffs. Someone mentioned the "winning with the horses that got them there".Many people (correctly) won't carry a backup kicker or tight end, maybe not even a defense depending on league format. So if you suddenly lock rosters, they aren't winning with the horses that got them there, they are having to change their roster because you changed the rules on them. Suddenly now teams who were making wrong roster decisions all season holding onto the backups are rewarded for having made bad decisions in player value, because the rules change midstream.
Why are you insinuating that rules are being changed? In our league, everyone knows this from the outset. Manage your roster accordingly.
Rules being changed refers to changing the structure of your league setup. Not referring to going into the written copy and making edits.Your league was structured one way, with waivers, which impacted value of players by position and partially drove decisions.Changing to a different structure for the playoffs is far from sticking with the horse that brought you. It's switching to a different horse, one that requires reallocating roster space to backups at positions where an equal backup is normally available on waivers.If a league wants to do that, they can of course. But let's not say it's enforcing keeping things the same. It isn't, it's changing the league structure.
But if every team knows that the rosters lock and some choose to carry TE, QB, K etc... depth and some don't then that's their choice. The roster lock rule is known to everyone prior to the draft so some teams can play it one way because maybe they may have more success using that method and some may like the other, or maybe a mix. Either way, if the rules are known in advance the only reason to "change horses" is because you chose to go a different route during the regular season, some people might not have & thus they aren't changing anything.
 
Count me in the not understanding why anyone would lock waivers in the playoffs. Someone mentioned the "winning with the horses that got them there".Many people (correctly) won't carry a backup kicker or tight end, maybe not even a defense depending on league format. So if you suddenly lock rosters, they aren't winning with the horses that got them there, they are having to change their roster because you changed the rules on them. Suddenly now teams who were making wrong roster decisions all season holding onto the backups are rewarded for having made bad decisions in player value, because the rules change midstream.
Agreed. The "horses that got me there" were different every week: Buffalo Defense, Cardinals Defense, Andre Brown, Kyle Rudolph while Aaron Hernandez was out, Vick Ballard for a couple of weeks, Colts Defense, Brandon Meyers, Alex Green, Jonathan Stewart, Jermaine Gresham... not a single one of those guys is on my team anymore. But they all contributed to getting me a W that put me in the postseason. If I had to lock my rosters for the playoffs, it'd be a bunch of new horses with maybe-good-matchups at DST, WR, and TE to run out the season. None of the old horses. In week 12 I'd just pick up any defense that might be usable and drop my old ones with bad matchups. Fine, it's within the rules that locks the rosters, but they're no more the "horses that got me there" than leaving an open waiver wire in the postseason would get me.
 
Exactly. You're playing under one set of rules in the regular season and another in the postseason. Just because you know in advance it is coming doesn't alter that you're making what can be a pretty significant change to the league's setup.

Again, if a league wants to do that they can. But I just don't see what benefit such a rule gives beyond "I like it that way". It certainly doesn't give the stated benefit of keeping things how you got to the playoffs. It does the opposite and changes what was correct allocation of roster space during the time you earned your way to the playoffs.

 
By the way, I don't have a problem with someone dropping his bench to pick up as many kickers as possible. It's definitely cut throat, but I think allocating your own roster space to the way best for your team's game is ok.

But picking up players and dropping them so they lock, that I feel is unethical. Whether it's 1 player or all of them, doesn't matter. Leagues have waivers because they want teams to be able to acquire available players... and they have locking so a player who is just now becoming available goes through queued up waivers so everyone has an equal shot.

Locking clearly is not there to be able to eliminate from waivers players who are not just now freshly becoming available. If websites implemented it better, such a player wouldn't lock. I think it's pretty clearly abusing the spirit of two different rules via shortcomings in the website's code.

My own leagues that lock players, we just have a rule that any such locked player will be unlocked upon request. Though we also have our "Don't be a ########" rule that it wouldn't matter whether we had the other explicitly stated or not.

 
Bryce Brown shows why my league locks rosters

What if instead of 2 weeks ago this had happened in the playoffs. It happened to us, i forget the player. Someone got hurt in the playoffs and his owner picked up some other RB backup in despertion, dude caught fire and won the championship for the owner. it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. A wild card team can luck onto a player once the regular season ends and win it all.

just personal preference though, we make you use the regular season to get your playoff roster set. i can certainly see the other side of it

for the record we used a "you can only do pickups if a player is out". That made it worse. The teams who were not fortunate enough to have an injured RB had no chance at picking up the short term stud.

 
Bryce Brown shows why my league locks rostersWhat if instead of 2 weeks ago this had happened in the playoffs. It happened to us, i forget the player. Someone got hurt in the playoffs and his owner picked up some other RB backup in despertion, dude caught fire and won the championship for the owner. it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. A wild card team can luck onto a player once the regular season ends and win it all.just personal preference though, we make you use the regular season to get your playoff roster set. i can certainly see the other side of itfor the record we used a "you can only do pickups if a player is out". That made it worse. The teams who were not fortunate enough to have an injured RB had no chance at picking up the short term stud.
In one of my leagues we have a rule like this, but the player you add must play the same position and be from the same NFL team. So if you have LeSean McCoy, and he gets injured, you can pick up Bryce Brown. But if you have some scrub RB5 from Cleveland who gets hurt, you can't. You could just replace him with some other RB from Cleveland.
This has worked well for us. It allows owners to legitimately replace their injured players when necessary, while mostly preventing owners from picking up the hot FA just because they lucked into having one of their bench players injured.
 
Bryce Brown shows why my league locks rostersWhat if instead of 2 weeks ago this had happened in the playoffs. It happened to us, i forget the player. Someone got hurt in the playoffs and his owner picked up some other RB backup in despertion, dude caught fire and won the championship for the owner. it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. A wild card team can luck onto a player once the regular season ends and win it all.just personal preference though, we make you use the regular season to get your playoff roster set. i can certainly see the other side of itfor the record we used a "you can only do pickups if a player is out". That made it worse. The teams who were not fortunate enough to have an injured RB had no chance at picking up the short term stud.
I'm the Bryce Brown owner in my league, and have been enjoying the ride. I was ranked #1 before picking him up, with most total points and the best record. He slipped through the waiver wire to my slot when I picked him up, everyone else passed on him. I don't see why if I ride him from weeks 12-16 to a championship, it's any different if I rode him to 13-16 only (in the playoffs only). Picking the guy up the week before the playoffs doesn't change that I'd be benefiting from his points in the playoffs despite him not being the horse that got me to that point.
 
Bryce Brown shows why my league locks rostersWhat if instead of 2 weeks ago this had happened in the playoffs. It happened to us, i forget the player. Someone got hurt in the playoffs and his owner picked up some other RB backup in despertion, dude caught fire and won the championship for the owner. it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. A wild card team can luck onto a player once the regular season ends and win it all.just personal preference though, we make you use the regular season to get your playoff roster set. i can certainly see the other side of itfor the record we used a "you can only do pickups if a player is out". That made it worse. The teams who were not fortunate enough to have an injured RB had no chance at picking up the short term stud.
I'm the Bryce Brown owner in my league, and have been enjoying the ride. I was ranked #1 before picking him up, with most total points and the best record. He slipped through the waiver wire to my slot when I picked him up, everyone else passed on him. I don't see why if I ride him from weeks 12-16 to a championship, it's any different if I rode him to 13-16 only (in the playoffs only). Picking the guy up the week before the playoffs doesn't change that I'd be benefiting from his points in the playoffs despite him not being the horse that got me to that point.
i can see your pointit just didn't sit well with my league if the guy was not on your roster for one second of the regular season then became your playoff MVPi certainly think this is something that can go either way. The important thing is getting a consensus and making sure everyone knowsas an unrelated side note my league uses a depth chart for starters too, which seems almost unheard of but we REALLY like it.
 
oh also i grabbed bryce brown! i still missed the playoffs, but i may win the king of the ####heads bracket!

 
Bryce Brown shows why my league locks rostersWhat if instead of 2 weeks ago this had happened in the playoffs. It happened to us, i forget the player. Someone got hurt in the playoffs and his owner picked up some other RB backup in despertion, dude caught fire and won the championship for the owner. it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. A wild card team can luck onto a player once the regular season ends and win it all.just personal preference though, we make you use the regular season to get your playoff roster set. i can certainly see the other side of itfor the record we used a "you can only do pickups if a player is out". That made it worse. The teams who were not fortunate enough to have an injured RB had no chance at picking up the short term stud.
I hear you in a way, but isn't weekly roster management also part of FF? Why not reward those who do it well, whether during the playoffs or regular season?
 
Bryce Brown shows why my league locks rostersWhat if instead of 2 weeks ago this had happened in the playoffs. It happened to us, i forget the player. Someone got hurt in the playoffs and his owner picked up some other RB backup in despertion, dude caught fire and won the championship for the owner. it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. A wild card team can luck onto a player once the regular season ends and win it all.just personal preference though, we make you use the regular season to get your playoff roster set. i can certainly see the other side of itfor the record we used a "you can only do pickups if a player is out". That made it worse. The teams who were not fortunate enough to have an injured RB had no chance at picking up the short term stud.
I hear you in a way, but isn't weekly roster management also part of FF? Why not reward those who do it well, whether during the playoffs or regular season?
i think because there are less teams in each round of the playoffs contending for the players, so roster management actually becomes easier.Now at the time we did not use bidding, but even with bidding i think the above still stands. The closer you get to your goal the easier it becomes to grab free agents because the less people there are that need them. This seems wrongThough I will grant you that the other playoff teams do share an equal advantage, so maybe it doesn't matter. But it seems to to me.
 

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