The High Priest
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Should help Boldin going forward
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omally
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He doesn't have great hands and catches off his body, but he is good at figuring out where the ball is going to go, and going up and getting it. He is extremely fast, which is great for stretching the field. He will probably be boom or bust since he is a big play guy.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Single coverage on 2 of the 3 scores. On TD#2, a post, the safety came over to help, all 3 (Smith and the CB) inexplicably slowed as they first saw the pass come out of Flacco's hand, then Smith put on a burst to run it down (Flacco almost overthrew it).Drops have indeed been an issue with him so far but he caught everything thrown to him yesterday and he can certainly stretch a secondary.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Traded Welker for Smith / 2nd / 3rd, that game took the sting off a little
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
When did you make that trade?
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Baltimore homers or anyone else who saw the game, serious question, if Lee Evans was in the game instead of T Smith, could he have been that open and catching those TD's? Local radio and some wannabe experts in the office constantly mentioning terrible defense was a big part of this. I did not see any of the game or any highlight from the game yet. I guess I should also ask whether he was playing the same spot Evans would have been playing?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
•G-Men gave up Smith, Torrey BAL WR; Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Fantasy Slut;Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Fantasy Slut•NO MA'AM gave up Welker, Wes NEP WR Fri May 27 8:42:44 a.m. ET 2011 the good part is those picks are from another team and not the one I traded Welker to0
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Did you see the Rams corner that was playing on him? Theres a reason Flacco confidently threw 3 straight deep balls to a wr thats never caught a pass before...
His hands were good at Maryland. Bad hands are caused a lot of times by unfamiliarity or not knowing where he's supposed to be. Anyone who saw his catches this Sunday knows his hands aren't terrible.Just an observation of his body of work prior to this game.They seemed to work okay on the 3 TD catches.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Way, way, way to early to tell if he can consistently catch the ball...Either way, we dont know if he is either good or bad. time to wait a few more weeks and see how many targets and catches he getsHis hands were good at Maryland. Bad hands are caused a lot of times by unfamiliarity or not knowing where he's supposed to be. Anyone who saw his catches this Sunday knows his hands aren't terrible.Just an observation of his body of work prior to this game.They seemed to work okay on the 3 TD catches.
Phlash
Footballguy
It's also way too early to throw him under the bus. That's what De Novo was getting at...Way, way, way to early to tell if he can consistently catch the ball...Either way, we dont know if he is either good or bad. time to wait a few more weeks and see how many targets and catches he getsHis hands were good at Maryland. Bad hands are caused a lot of times by unfamiliarity or not knowing where he's supposed to be. Anyone who saw his catches this Sunday knows his hands aren't terrible.Just an observation of his body of work prior to this game.They seemed to work okay on the 3 TD catches.
Uruk-Hai
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I don't know if Evans would've made the catch on TD #2 if he had run the beginning of his route like Smith did (like roady said, it looked like everyone slowed down for a sec). Evans is fast, but I don't think he's as fast as Smith at this point and probably wouldn't have been able to catch up to the pass. The other two - who knows? Smith had to fight a bit on both and I honestly don't know if Evans would've scored on either.To the larger point, I doubt very seriously if Smith will be a consistent fantasy performer for the foreseeable future. He'll probably be something like - surprise! - Lee Evans. Blow up once every 4 or 5 weeks with little in between. That's not to say he won't ever be consistent and develop into what Evans' owners have prayed for for years - he well may, but he's got a ton to learn. In some deep leagues (like Zealots) where you can start 4 WRs, he has more value because - hopefully - he's your #4 with more the consistent guys ahead of him. I also like him in best-ball leagues.
The comparisons to DHB are unfortunate. Yeah, they both played at Maryland and they both are fast. But I always thought of Bey as a track guy playing football; Smith, I think, strikes me as a football player who happens to be rapid. He's raw and has a long way to go, but I think the potential is real.
Anyway, I'm rooting for him. He's a good, smart kid (graduated in 3 years) who's overcome a bunch of bad stuff.
Uruk-Hai
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The "bad hands" thing comes from the (unapt, IMO) comparisons to DHB and are made mostly by people who didn't actually watch him play much. His hands are fine. The QBing at Maryland in his first two years was absolutely brutal - wounded ducks flying all over the field. Doesn't surprise me a bit that he's not as sharp as he should be in his patterns - he had to break patterns all the time to try and get to Turner's passes. As De Novo says, his problems are educational and I think he's smart enough to pick it all up.His hands were good at Maryland. Bad hands are caused a lot of times by unfamiliarity or not knowing where he's supposed to be. Anyone who saw his catches this Sunday knows his hands aren't terrible.Just an observation of his body of work prior to this game.They seemed to work okay on the 3 TD catches.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Listen to Uruk. He probably knows more about this kid than anyone else on this board.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
My thoughts on his hands came from watching him in the preseason.The "bad hands" thing comes from the (unapt, IMO) comparisons to DHB and are made mostly by people who didn't actually watch him play much. His hands are fine. The QBing at Maryland in his first two years was absolutely brutal - wounded ducks flying all over the field. Doesn't surprise me a bit that he's not as sharp as he should be in his patterns - he had to break patterns all the time to try and get to Turner's passes. As De Novo says, his problems are educational and I think he's smart enough to pick it all up.His hands were good at Maryland. Bad hands are caused a lot of times by unfamiliarity or not knowing where he's supposed to be. Anyone who saw his catches this Sunday knows his hands aren't terrible.Just an observation of his body of work prior to this game.They seemed to work okay on the 3 TD catches.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
He was horrid in preseaon, but I really think it was because he was overwhelmed. I saw him make enough catches at Maryland to know he has decent hands. He ain't Cris Carter and probably never will have glue-hands like that, but he's not DHB or Travis (Hands Of Stone) Taylor either.My thoughts on his hands came from watching him in the preseason.The "bad hands" thing comes from the (unapt, IMO) comparisons to DHB and are made mostly by people who didn't actually watch him play much. His hands are fine. The QBing at Maryland in his first two years was absolutely brutal - wounded ducks flying all over the field. Doesn't surprise me a bit that he's not as sharp as he should be in his patterns - he had to break patterns all the time to try and get to Turner's passes. As De Novo says, his problems are educational and I think he's smart enough to pick it all up.His hands were good at Maryland. Bad hands are caused a lot of times by unfamiliarity or not knowing where he's supposed to be. Anyone who saw his catches this Sunday knows his hands aren't terrible.Just an observation of his body of work prior to this game.They seemed to work okay on the 3 TD catches.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I guess the question is whether he supplants Lee Evans week 5.
Raider Nation
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So, ummm, let's say someone is REALLY hurting at WR. 
How much of a $100 free agent budget would you use on this guy?
How much of a $100 free agent budget would you use on this guy?
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I doubt we see much from either guy week 5
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
After the BYE, who knows. If talent and ability win out, I think it's Smith. Evans just doesn't make those plays that Torrey made last Sunday. Not the slow down/catch up bomb. Not the fade in the corner TD. Not to mention the quick out he took for 10 yards and the two additional deep balls where Smith was open but Flacco overthrew him in the end zone. Lots of good stuff from Smith and I'm excited to see his career getting started. I hope they don't spoil it through loyalty to a guy who's a bit of a "has been".
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
That's a dream of his.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Well, that seems like poor form on the 7th (week) anniversary of Evans + Ravens.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'll tell him on twitter.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Is Evans back this week?
CentralPA
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Allegedly. Per Rotoworld:Lee Evans (ankle) was noncommittal Monday about his Week 6 status, but does say his ankle is feeling "much better" after the Ravens' Week 5 bye.
Evans was able to run routes, do sprints, and practice "more extensively" Monday than he has in awhile. "It feels better but tomorrow might be a different story," he conceded. "I think we're on the right path. The goal is to play without being hampered." In fantasy, Evans will have to show he can play a full game before being worth a WR3 start. The Ravens host the Texans in Week 6.
IMHO, the Ravens didn't sign Evans to be a backup (they are paying him pretty good coin). Yes, Smith showed signs - but it was against a bad corner in one game. But by most accounts, he is still very raw. I think Evans remains the starter and will remain so into next year - at which point they will likely rotate Smith in more, with the intention of letting Evans go after 2012.
Just for those trying to gauge value, in dynatsy with 21 offensive roster slots, I had Smith and traded him for a 3rd round rookie pick in 2012 so I could add Torrain.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I haven't seen anything about today's practice. Has somebody else?
Lee Evans (ankle) was downgraded to a missed practice after participating in a limited fashion on Wednesday.
Evans' ankle must not have responded to Wednesday's workload. It's a major concern, as the injury has dragged on since the end of the preseason. At this point, Torrey Smith looks like the starter opposite Anquan Boldin against the Texans. (from Rotoworld)
Evans' ankle must not have responded to Wednesday's workload. It's a major concern, as the injury has dragged on since the end of the preseason. At this point, Torrey Smith looks like the starter opposite Anquan Boldin against the Texans. (from Rotoworld)
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Interesting...
jantoniosus
Footballguy
This guy had the most targets week 4 (most of all BAL WR's) with Evans out, does anyone thing he me get the same looks this week? There is no way Flacco goes a whole game without going down field this week.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How bad was smith week 4?
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Frisman Jackson.
DoubleG
Footballguy
When did this thread become limited to 6 words or less? I don't even understand the last few posts.
Smith had a great game against a bad corner in week 3. Against a real defense, that has actually watched tape on him, he struggled. He is still learning to be a WR in the NFL (him being raw is exactly why the Ravens went out and got Evans in the first place). IMHO, he may be a very good NFL WR...sometime next season or maybe even after that. For now he is an inconsistant rookie with very good speed - who will flash and have a good game occasionally, but then struggle with inconsistancy at times.
Smith had a great game against a bad corner in week 3. Against a real defense, that has actually watched tape on him, he struggled. He is still learning to be a WR in the NFL (him being raw is exactly why the Ravens went out and got Evans in the first place). IMHO, he may be a very good NFL WR...sometime next season or maybe even after that. For now he is an inconsistant rookie with very good speed - who will flash and have a good game occasionally, but then struggle with inconsistancy at times.
As a Texans fan I hope they stick Joseph on this guy between the 20's. If Jason Allen or especially Kareem Jackson is lined up on Smith I could definitely see Smith get loose for a long TD. I'd rather let Boldin chip away than give up a big play. Joseph was used to take out Denarius Moore last week so Texans may be thinking along the same lines.
Raiderfan32904
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The last post made a lot more sense than some of the previous ones. I agree that he's raw, but week 3 showed what he is capable of. Nobody is expecting that kind of game from him, but he faced the Jets the next week and they have a combination of a good secondary and lousy run defense. If you are facing a team that can't stop the run and you have Ray Rice, why bother throwing the ball? The Jets were well prepared to limit Smith after his breakout week, and he just doesn't have the experience to overcome that yet. Coming fresh off a bye, and now facing a banged up Houston defense, Smith's numbers should rebound. Week 6 sleeper?
Uruk-Hai
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The Ravens will take a couple of shots today with Smith, I think. I've got him starting in one of my Zealots leagues as a 4th WR - partly by choice, but also because I'm a bit pinched due to the bye week. I figure why not try to catch lightening in a bottle instead of throwing guys like Mike Thomas out there?
In any event, the last several posts are all good and, I think, the right way to look at Smith. Although I will disagree a bit with pacebo - if Houston puts Joseph on Smith, Cam will just fly him long all day, essentially taking JJ out of the game and allowing Boldin, Dickson, and Rice to potentially chew them up. If I'm the Ravens, I take that tradeoff (JJ on Smith). Remember - Smith ain't Jerry Rice and makes a lot of mistakes on his own; I think playing Jospeh on him is like killing a fly with a sledge hammer.
Of course, my predictive skills suck so take anything I say with a dump truck load of salt.
In any event, the last several posts are all good and, I think, the right way to look at Smith. Although I will disagree a bit with pacebo - if Houston puts Joseph on Smith, Cam will just fly him long all day, essentially taking JJ out of the game and allowing Boldin, Dickson, and Rice to potentially chew them up. If I'm the Ravens, I take that tradeoff (JJ on Smith). Remember - Smith ain't Jerry Rice and makes a lot of mistakes on his own; I think playing Jospeh on him is like killing a fly with a sledge hammer.
Of course, my predictive skills suck so take anything I say with a dump truck load of salt.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Don't be deterred by the NYJ game. I watched all the Torrey Smith plays for week 4. As the announcers said in-game, Flacco was just off all day. He also had Revus on him for portions of the game, though Flacco did throw to Torrey vs Revus at least once.
All in all, he actually got some really good looks and Flacco just couldn't connect with him. And as you'd expect, they were all potential TDs or big gainers. Watching that game actually made me stay high on Torrey, though you have to deal with the Joey Flacs erratic accuracy...
This should be a telling game. There's no question that opportunity is there. Let's hope Flacs is throwing with accuracy today so that we can see what Torrey can/can't do.
All in all, he actually got some really good looks and Flacco just couldn't connect with him. And as you'd expect, they were all potential TDs or big gainers. Watching that game actually made me stay high on Torrey, though you have to deal with the Joey Flacs erratic accuracy...
This should be a telling game. There's no question that opportunity is there. Let's hope Flacs is throwing with accuracy today so that we can see what Torrey can/can't do.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Hey, GB - you know the Texans much better than I do. I'm just looking at it from an outsider's perspective and think that taking your best D player out of play on an inconsistent rookie is an advantage for the Ravens. But I can also see your side of the coin. Good luck today!
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jantoniosus
Footballguy
So what do we think going forward? Is he gone when Evans is back? Is is Evans gone now? Was not really sold on Smith after his 3 TD game and then he came back with a "goose egg" against the NYJ. I am wondering if he will be viable going forward.
He had 6 targets and 3 catches for 84yds. (not too bad) I have not seen the game or highlights yet, so not sure if he almost had a TD on any of his catches or if any of the targets where in the red zone.
What are you all doing with this guy? Pick him up? Play him? Let him stay out on FA?
He had 6 targets and 3 catches for 84yds. (not too bad) I have not seen the game or highlights yet, so not sure if he almost had a TD on any of his catches or if any of the targets where in the red zone.
What are you all doing with this guy? Pick him up? Play him? Let him stay out on FA?
his goose egg was largely on flacco. he was "targeted" more than bolding and only less than dickson. he played a ton of snaps. he got open for a huge play today. if evans steals away his snaps he is cut worthy. otherwise, flacco goes to him and he gets open. boldin is not good enough to hog the targets anymore.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What's the word on Evans this week. I really thought he was going to return last week. Was his injury ever really described as anything other than (foot)?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Ravens have ruled Lee Evans OUT Monday night.
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jantoniosus
Footballguy
Who are you all starting him over this week?
I'm starting him over:- Burress- Salas- D.MooreNothing crazy.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Could be seeing the next DJax develop
