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As a Holt owner, I had no intention on trading him before the deadline. However I did run across this little clipping from Yahoo Sports Andy Behrens and it has at least opened me up to willing to deal him.

If you're an 8-2 Torry Holt owner, shop for deals. In the most important weeks of the fantasy season, Holt faces two defenses – Green Bay and Pittsburgh – that are stingy when it comes to allowing fantasy points to receivers.

Thoughts?

 
Shipped him last week with Hackett for Ben and Fargas. Am hurting at RB and have Wayne and Housh at WR.

 
Interesting. What do YOU think?

Did you watch or check the boxscores from STL's 1st win of the season?

 
As a Holt owner I put him in the top tier of "must start" WR's. I basically see 3 options:

1 - Stand pat as chances are Green Bay and Pitt may not have much to play for.

2 - Trade him (probably getting less value than I should) assuming I can predict future performances of lower tier WR's.

3 - Bench him for a more favorable match-up.

Personally I'm picking #1. I drafted him as my #1 WR because he's one of the best out there, has a great QB, and has an amazing dual threat RB in the backfield. I have found that more often than not when I try to get cute and predict match-ups I wind up worse. Start your best players and let the points fall where they may. It's all luck anyway. If you can predict WR production 5 and 6 weeks out and know which teams are going to be full throttle and which ones are easing up due to the playoff picture you're a much better footballer than I am. Don't overthink it, you drafted him for a reason. Besides those are both home games so the home turf and dome are a huge plus against 2 teams used to cold weather sloggin'.

 
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Interesting. What do YOU think?Did you watch or check the boxscores from STL's 1st win of the season?
Sure did, but I also realize that the NFL sack record could be broken when the Rams play Pitt at the end of the season.
:whistle: he did ok this week. Again I ask: What do YOU think? Are you leaning toward trading him? What do you think his value is? What do you think the value of this thread is? (just kidding)
 
As a Holt owner I put him in the top tier of "must start" WR's. I basically see 3 options:1 - Stand pat as chances are Green Bay and Pitt may not have much to play for.2 - Trade for him (probably getting less value than I should) assuming I can predict future performances of lower tier WR's.3 - Bench him for a more favorable match-up. Personally I'm picking #1. I drafted him as my #1 WR because he's one of the best out there, has a great QB, and has an amazing dual threat RB in the backfield. I have found that more often than not when I try to get cute and predict match-ups I wind up worse. Start your best players and let the points fall where they may. It's all luck anyway. If you can predict WR production 5 and 6 weeks out and know which teams are going to be full throttle and which ones are easing up due to the playoff picture you're a much better footballer than I am. Don't overthink it, you drafted him for a reason. Besides those are both home games so a turf and a dome are a huge plus against 2 teams used to cold weather sloggin'.
:whistle:
 
As a Holt owner I put him in the top tier of "must start" WR's. I basically see 3 options:1 - Stand pat as chances are Green Bay and Pitt may not have much to play for.2 - Trade for him (probably getting less value than I should) assuming I can predict future performances of lower tier WR's.3 - Bench him for a more favorable match-up. Personally I'm picking #1. I drafted him as my #1 WR because he's one of the best out there, has a great QB, and has an amazing dual threat RB in the backfield. I have found that more often than not when I try to get cute and predict match-ups I wind up worse. Start your best players and let the points fall where they may. It's all luck anyway. If you can predict WR production 5 and 6 weeks out and know which teams are going to be full throttle and which ones are easing up due to the playoff picture you're a much better footballer than I am. Don't overthink it, you drafted him for a reason. Besides those are both home games so a turf and a dome are a huge plus against 2 teams used to cold weather sloggin'.
:whistle:
+1
 
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FootBallOutsiders indicates Pitt #19 and GB #15 vs #1 WRs. Perhaps the Ram OL will be a little more normal by then.

 
Im actually trying to acquire Holt and I'm most likely going to overpay for him. I've got Palmer and Big Ben at QB and the Holt owner in my league is weak @ QB with McNabb. I offered Ben & Roddy White for Holt & McNabb, I doubt he bites, but it was worth a shot IMO.

-chris

 
Interesting. What do YOU think?Did you watch or check the boxscores from STL's 1st win of the season?
Sure did, but I also realize that the NFL sack record could be broken when the Rams play Pitt at the end of the season.
:bs: he did ok this week. Again I ask: What do YOU think? Are you leaning toward trading him? What do you think his value is? What do you think the value of this thread is? (just kidding)
I might trade him...I got one in mind. The ADP owner is sitting 5-5. He is in a tough spot RB wise. (starting Ron Dayne and Fred Taylor) Id probably package Holt and Ryan Grant or Selvin Young for Braylon Edwards.Like I said before, I had no intention of trading him at the start of the week, but knowing Im a lock for the playoffs, That article has me thinking. Im not going to force anything, but if I can swing something I like, so be it.
 
Im actually trying to acquire Holt and I'm most likely going to overpay for him. I've got Palmer and Big Ben at QB and the Holt owner in my league is weak @ QB with McNabb. I offered Ben & Roddy White for Holt & McNabb, I doubt he bites, but it was worth a shot IMO.-chris
:goodposting: @ being weak with McNabb. He's doing ok.
 
I might trade him...I got one in mind. The ADP owner is sitting 5-5. He is in a tough spot RB wise. (starting Ron Dayne and Fred Taylor) Id probably package Holt and Ryan Grant or Selvin Young for Braylon Edwards.
You have some major intestinal fortitude my man. To me that looks like trading high (Braylon) for low (Holt). Cleveland has pretty much had things going their way in high scoring shootouts. I get the feeling that as the season wears on and cold/inclement weather sets in that the Browns high flying O will be coming back down to earth. Weeks 14, 15, & 16 are outside cold weather affairs at the Jets, home vs Buffalo, and at Bengals. The Rams on the other hand have had horrible luck with injuries and struggled mightily. Now with Jackson back they have already bottomed out and should be on the upswing offensively. B Edwards 43 catches 752 yards 10 TD'sT Holt 54 catches 700 yards 4 TD'sAll things considered Holt's numbers don't look as good but check out Braylon's. He is averaging over 17 yards per catch and I can't help but think that's got to drop. Likewise we all know finding the endzone for a TD is pretty much luck and Braylon only trails Randy Moss in TD's. I don't see how Braylon can continue let alone improve. On the other hand Holt has been mildly underperforming and appears to me to have the most potential.
 
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I've got Romo and Big Ben and can't decide whether to trade Big Ben for Holt. Big Ben's got a great scedule but I'm always hesitant to start him over Romo, so getting Holt might make my life easier. Which the scedule was better though.

 
As a Holt owner, I had no intention on trading him before the deadline. However I did run across this little clipping from Yahoo Sports Andy Behrens and it has at least opened me up to willing to deal him.

If you're an 8-2 Torry Holt owner, shop for deals. In the most important weeks of the fantasy season, Holt faces two defenses – Green Bay and Pittsburgh – that are stingy when it comes to allowing fantasy points to receivers.

Thoughts?
My thoughts are like this; Who are you saying you'd target for him? That's the bottom line, it's easy to say let's try and trade him but really that is very abstract. Specifically, what 5 to 7 players are you talking about?

 


GET TORRY HOLT!

Not sure how many of you watched the classic :rolleyes: this weekend with the Saints but Torry Holt easily could have added 3 cathes and 3 TDS to that performance. He was targeted often in the redzone and I'd be trying to buy him as cheap as possible if I didn't already have him. I watched about the entire game and he was very impressive.

If it wasn't for the knee issues at the beginning of the season (which turned out to be no big deal) he would have been a top 3 WR. After watching him play this weekend, I see no reason he cannot challenge for that type of ranking over the remainder of the season, especially in PPR.

 
Holt has torched much better defenses than the 2007 Steelers and Packers. The match ups are worth noticing, but it's nothing that's going to make me want to trade Holt. With Bulgar and SJ back in the mix, I expect big numbers from Big Game from here on out.

 
I might trade him...I got one in mind. The ADP owner is sitting 5-5. He is in a tough spot RB wise. (starting Ron Dayne and Fred Taylor) Id probably package Holt and Ryan Grant or Selvin Young for Braylon Edwards.
You have some major intestinal fortitude my man. To me that looks like trading high (Braylon) for low (Holt). Cleveland has pretty much had things going their way in high scoring shootouts. I get the feeling that as the season wears on and cold/inclement weather sets in that the Browns high flying O will be coming back down to earth. Weeks 14, 15, & 16 are outside cold weather affairs at the Jets, home vs Buffalo, and at Bengals. The Rams on the other hand have had horrible luck with injuries and struggled mightily. Now with Jackson back they have already bottomed out and should be on the upswing offensively. B Edwards 43 catches 752 yards 10 TD's

T Holt 54 catches 700 yards 4 TD's

All things considered Holt's numbers don't look as good but check out Braylon's. He is averaging over 17 yards per catch and I can't help but think that's got to drop. Likewise we all know finding the endzone for a TD is pretty much luck and Braylon only trails Randy Moss in TD's. I don't see how Braylon can continue let alone improve. On the other hand Holt has been mildly underperforming and appears to me to have the most potential.
First, Edwards is the deep threat. Winslow and Jurevicious tend to take the underneath/shorter routes, so his high ypc is likely to continue in my mind.Second, TDs are not "pretty much luck." A lot of people say TDs are hard to predict. Doesn't mean they are luck. Randy Moss and Housh aren't lucky, are they? How about Heath Miller? No, they get lots of red zone targets as does Edwards. Also, Edwards, like Moss and TO, gets a lot of long looks. One broken tackle or blown coverage and they are gone for a TD.

Again, game to game, you can't predict TDs amazingly accurately, but I can all but guarantee that Housh has more TDs than Chad over the next 7 weeks and that Tom Brady will have more TDs than Losman. Doesn't mean that week 15 will be that way, but over several games, predictions can be made and it is no longer "lucky."

Also, according to FBG's Cleveland has the 3rd easiest WR schedule for the next 7 games and it is 20% better FP wise than weeks 1-11, so don't be surprised to see Edwards improve.

 
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Holt's value is skyhigh right now. Trading him now is not a bad idea. He's had some good games against bad D's. Granted he's played well in a few more difficult match-ups (then the Saints/Browns 2 of the worst Pass D's)

I don't think it's too far fetched to get somebody of equal value for him. Chad Johnson wouldn't be too bad of a deal IMO as I like the Bengals schedule a lot more...

 
I might trade him...I got one in mind. The ADP owner is sitting 5-5. He is in a tough spot RB wise. (starting Ron Dayne and Fred Taylor) Id probably package Holt and Ryan Grant or Selvin Young for Braylon Edwards.
You have some major intestinal fortitude my man. To me that looks like trading high (Braylon) for low (Holt). Cleveland has pretty much had things going their way in high scoring shootouts. I get the feeling that as the season wears on and cold/inclement weather sets in that the Browns high flying O will be coming back down to earth. Weeks 14, 15, & 16 are outside cold weather affairs at the Jets, home vs Buffalo, and at Bengals. The Rams on the other hand have had horrible luck with injuries and struggled mightily. Now with Jackson back they have already bottomed out and should be on the upswing offensively. B Edwards 43 catches 752 yards 10 TD's

T Holt 54 catches 700 yards 4 TD's

All things considered Holt's numbers don't look as good but check out Braylon's. He is averaging over 17 yards per catch and I can't help but think that's got to drop. Likewise we all know finding the endzone for a TD is pretty much luck and Braylon only trails Randy Moss in TD's. I don't see how Braylon can continue let alone improve. On the other hand Holt has been mildly underperforming and appears to me to have the most potential.
First, Edwards is the deep threat. Winslow and Jurevicious tend to take the underneath/shorter routes, so his high ypc is likely to continue in my mind.Second, TDs are not "pretty much luck." A lot of people say TDs are hard to predict. Doesn't mean they are luck. Randy Moss and Housh aren't lucky, are they? How about Heath Miller? No, they get lots of red zone targets as does Edwards. Also, Edwards, like Moss and TO, gets a lot of long looks. One broken tackle or blown coverage and they are gone for a TD.

Again, game to game, you can't predict TDs amazingly accurately, but I can all but guarantee that Housh has more TDs than Chad over the next 7 weeks and that Tom Brady will have more TDs than Losman. Doesn't mean that week 15 will be that way, but over several games, predictions can be made and it is no longer "lucky."

Also, according to FBG's Cleveland has the 3rd easiest WR schedule for the next 7 games and it is 20% better FP wise than weeks 1-11, so don't be surprised to see Edwards improve.
Always good hear opposing views intelligently stated. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the year pans out.
 
I might trade him...I got one in mind. The ADP owner is sitting 5-5. He is in a tough spot RB wise. (starting Ron Dayne and Fred Taylor) Id probably package Holt and Ryan Grant or Selvin Young for Braylon Edwards.
You have some major intestinal fortitude my man. To me that looks like trading high (Braylon) for low (Holt). Cleveland has pretty much had things going their way in high scoring shootouts. I get the feeling that as the season wears on and cold/inclement weather sets in that the Browns high flying O will be coming back down to earth. Weeks 14, 15, & 16 are outside cold weather affairs at the Jets, home vs Buffalo, and at Bengals. The Rams on the other hand have had horrible luck with injuries and struggled mightily. Now with Jackson back they have already bottomed out and should be on the upswing offensively. B Edwards 43 catches 752 yards 10 TD'sT Holt 54 catches 700 yards 4 TD'sAll things considered Holt's numbers don't look as good but check out Braylon's. He is averaging over 17 yards per catch and I can't help but think that's got to drop. Likewise we all know finding the endzone for a TD is pretty much luck and Braylon only trails Randy Moss in TD's. I don't see how Braylon can continue let alone improve. On the other hand Holt has been mildly underperforming and appears to me to have the most potential.
Braylon Edwards faces the Jets, Bills and Bengals in the playoffs. Jets, Bills and Bengals. If I didn't love my sister, I'd consider throwing her in a deal to get Edwards - that's how much I covet him in the playoffs right now. Some of the biggest 48-46 shootouts I've ever seen have been in Cleveland in the snow.
 
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I might trade him...I got one in mind. The ADP owner is sitting 5-5. He is in a tough spot RB wise. (starting Ron Dayne and Fred Taylor) Id probably package Holt and Ryan Grant or Selvin Young for Braylon Edwards.
You have some major intestinal fortitude my man. To me that looks like trading high (Braylon) for low (Holt). Cleveland has pretty much had things going their way in high scoring shootouts. I get the feeling that as the season wears on and cold/inclement weather sets in that the Browns high flying O will be coming back down to earth. Weeks 14, 15, & 16 are outside cold weather affairs at the Jets, home vs Buffalo, and at Bengals. The Rams on the other hand have had horrible luck with injuries and struggled mightily. Now with Jackson back they have already bottomed out and should be on the upswing offensively. B Edwards 43 catches 752 yards 10 TD's

T Holt 54 catches 700 yards 4 TD's

All things considered Holt's numbers don't look as good but check out Braylon's. He is averaging over 17 yards per catch and I can't help but think that's got to drop. Likewise we all know finding the endzone for a TD is pretty much luck and Braylon only trails Randy Moss in TD's. I don't see how Braylon can continue let alone improve. On the other hand Holt has been mildly underperforming and appears to me to have the most potential.
First, Edwards is the deep threat. Winslow and Jurevicious tend to take the underneath/shorter routes, so his high ypc is likely to continue in my mind.Second, TDs are not "pretty much luck." A lot of people say TDs are hard to predict. Doesn't mean they are luck. Randy Moss and Housh aren't lucky, are they? How about Heath Miller? No, they get lots of red zone targets as does Edwards. Also, Edwards, like Moss and TO, gets a lot of long looks. One broken tackle or blown coverage and they are gone for a TD.

Again, game to game, you can't predict TDs amazingly accurately, but I can all but guarantee that Housh has more TDs than Chad over the next 7 weeks and that Tom Brady will have more TDs than Losman. Doesn't mean that week 15 will be that way, but over several games, predictions can be made and it is no longer "lucky."

Also, according to FBG's Cleveland has the 3rd easiest WR schedule for the next 7 games and it is 20% better FP wise than weeks 1-11, so don't be surprised to see Edwards improve.
Always good hear opposing views intelligently stated. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the year pans out.
:goodposting: I hate seeing the crap that gets posted here sometimes. Much easier to get information and make realizations (I have been wrong before :mellow: ) when you have more than a one line your wrong discussion.

I love how Edwards has progressed now that he is healthy again, but as smails puts it I love his schedule as well. Don't get me wrong, I owned Holt for a few straight years and he was awesome and reliable as hell, but I can see Edwards getting a lot of deep TDs based on the schedule he has. Now, #### happens, so no guarantee, but based on the FBG's SOS, he was playing much tougher WR defenses in weeks 1-10 than he has left, so you would think he could improve.

 
Braylon Edwards faces the Jets, Bills and Bengals in the playoffs. Jets, Bills and Bengals. If I didn't love my sister, I'd consider throwing her in a deal to get Edwards - that's how much I covet him in the playoffs right now. Some of the biggest 48-46 shootouts I've ever seen have been in Cleveland in the snow.
:thumbup: Are you from Arkansas or Kentucky?
 
With SJax back and Bulger playing, you keep him and ride him through the playoffs into the championship.. Greenbay and Pitt D are not that good..

I like how STL is setup (back from injuries) and Holt is prime for a great season finish..

 
IDHTS but it seems that WR1's over the years do decently against superior teams

scenario: team gets down quick, cant run, pass most every down last two or three quarters

WR1's still probably get their 70-100 yds and may get lucky with a TD

no they aren't gonna go 150/2td but still should provide good numbers

 
I dealt him straight up for Steve Smith- Car in a keeper league.

Smith is a bit banged up, and his qb sucks now but I think in a year or two this will look sweet.

Didn't Holt get caught from behind pretty easily in the NO game?

I'm worried about his speed, with all the knee problems.

 
Interesting. What do YOU think?Did you watch or check the boxscores from STL's 1st win of the season?
Sure did, but I also realize that the NFL sack record could be broken when the Rams play Pitt at the end of the season.
It will be set this week when the Giants Pass rush make Kitna spend more time on his back than Madonna when the Convention's in town.
 
I don't have the stats, but I believe Holt is a good start at home or indoors. The fast track benefits the Rams system. Beware when they are outdoors.

 
FootBallOutsiders indicates Pitt #19 and GB #15 vs #1 WRs. Perhaps the Ram OL will be a little more normal by then.
Pitt was one shoestring catch away from shutting down Edwards last week.
I still don't think there was enough in that replay to overturn that catch.-chris
There was though. And they showed the divots, thought the refs obviously didn't have access to that shot. You could easily see both toes tap.
 
By Mostyn Thayer

Thursday, December 20, 2007

Torry Holt (groin), Rams vs. Steelers: Holt has also had a difficult season, with nagging injuries and his quarterbacks being pounded into submission week after week. Still, he has quietly caught 83 passes for 1,055 yards and seven touchdowns. This Thursday, however, Holt is trying to overcome a groin injury while facing Pittsburgh, the third-best passing defense in the NFL -- which is liable to rack up double-digit sacks on Marc Bulger.

 
By Mostyn Thayer Thursday, December 20, 2007Torry Holt (groin), Rams vs. Steelers: Holt has also had a difficult season, with nagging injuries and his quarterbacks being pounded into submission week after week. Still, he has quietly caught 83 passes for 1,055 yards and seven touchdowns. This Thursday, however, Holt is trying to overcome a groin injury while facing Pittsburgh, the third-best passing defense in the NFL -- which is liable to rack up double-digit sacks on Marc Bulger.
Thanks for the update! I was looking for info why he was limited in practice the other day.
 
If I had better options, I'd roll with them. However Nate Burleson and Sidney Rice aren't putting Holt on the bench no matter what the matchup is.

 
Keith Lewis said:
Ron_Mexico said:
which is liable to rack up double-digit sacks on Marc Bulger.
:shrug: Over 10 sacks? I'd love it as i have Pittsburg D going in my championship game. :)
I finally watched a STL game this weekend, and Bulger looks lost in the pocket when they bring a rush. It is almost like he sees the blitz coming and takes a knee
 
Braylon Edwards faces the Jets, Bills and Bengals in the playoffs. Jets, Bills and Bengals. If I didn't love my sister, I'd consider throwing her in a deal to get Edwards - that's how much I covet him in the playoffs right now. Some of the biggest 48-46 shootouts I've ever seen have been in Cleveland in the snow.
;) Are you from Arkansas or Kentucky?
You mean West Virginia
 
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I forgot about his thread and am glad you pulled it back up. Reviewing the numbers the past 5 weeks:

BE - 26 catches 418 yards 3 TD's and 1 FUM

TH - 29 catches 355 yards 3 TD's and 0 FUM

In my league that puts them as the #12 and #14 fantasy WR's during those weeks and they are less than 2 points apart per game with Braylon having the edge. All things being equal they look like a wash which means I was wrong about Braylon tailing off and Holt surging. Given Holt's recent injury, the Ram's elimination from the playoffs, and the Brown's battle for the playoffs I would probably trade him for Edwards given the chance. Just like the Bears, I'm prepping for next year's draft.

 
I forgot about his thread and am glad you pulled it back up. Reviewing the numbers the past 5 weeks:BE - 26 catches 418 yards 3 TD's and 1 FUMTH - 29 catches 355 yards 3 TD's and 0 FUMIn my league that puts them as the #12 and #14 fantasy WR's during those weeks and they are less than 2 points apart per game with Braylon having the edge. All things being equal they look like a wash which means I was wrong about Braylon tailing off and Holt surging. Given Holt's recent injury, the Ram's elimination from the playoffs, and the Brown's battle for the playoffs I would probably trade him for Edwards given the chance. Just like the Bears, I'm prepping for next year's draft.
Thought maybe "BE" stood for Bobby Engram. :shrug:
 
I'll tell you what, Holt sure seemed to have a lot of fire when he was ######## out Linehan late in the game.

For those who did not see it, Pitt had just intercepted Bulger and ran it back. Right after the commercial break, they panned to the Ram sideline and Linehan seemed to be smiling and joking after the pic 6. Holt was shown laying into Linehan and basically had to be pulled away from him. Good for Holt, they need to fire that idiot Linehan ASAP..........

 
I forgot about his thread and am glad you pulled it back up. Reviewing the numbers the past 5 weeks:BE - 26 catches 418 yards 3 TD's and 1 FUMTH - 29 catches 355 yards 3 TD's and 0 FUMIn my league that puts them as the #12 and #14 fantasy WR's during those weeks and they are less than 2 points apart per game with Braylon having the edge. All things being equal they look like a wash which means I was wrong about Braylon tailing off and Holt surging. Given Holt's recent injury, the Ram's elimination from the playoffs, and the Brown's battle for the playoffs I would probably trade him for Edwards given the chance. Just like the Bears, I'm prepping for next year's draft.
Holt - 3 for 41 0 TDBE - 7 for 40 2 TDsOh well
 

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