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He's been a major disappointment so far. One very good fantasy game; two poor ones. The Rams benched Bulger today in favor of Green. That's a significant downgrade in talent at QB but it's also possible Holt's production won't get any worse given how Bulger wasn't getting the ball to him very often. On the flip side, it may be impossible for Holt's production to improve anytime soon with the concussion-ravaged Green at QB.

It may be tough to start him going forward. It may be impossible to trade him. Is anyone - GASP - considering cutting him if you're in a league with tight roster limits?

What are people going to do with this guy?

 
I chose him over Marshall. Ooof.

I'm starting him. I don't have many other choices. I'm sure he'll get 1,000 plus yards before the season is done so I'm hoping he gets it in gear sooner rather than later. Nobody values him that highly so I can't trade him but because he still has a name I won't cut him. As soon as he has one or two good games he's off my team.

 
I can't see Holt getting much worse, but I'm concerned about the benching of Bulger. Just seems like a poor move. As far as Holt is concerned, I would think he and Bulger had a good rapport. To see that tossed out the window doesn't get me excited. I'm going to attempt to move him quickly for someone like A. Johnson or Housh.

 
packersfan said:
He's been a major disappointment so far. One very good fantasy game; two poor ones. The Rams benched Bulger today in favor of Green. That's a significant downgrade in talent at QB but it's also possible Holt's production won't get any worse given how Bulger wasn't getting the ball to him very often. On the flip side, it may be impossible for Holt's production to improve anytime soon with the concussion-ravaged Green at QB.

It may be tough to start him going forward. It may be impossible to trade him. Is anyone - GASP - considering cutting him if you're in a league with tight roster limits?

What are people going to do with this guy?
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His one "very good" game (which wasn't even that good) was actually a bad game that got salvaged by a 45 yard TD catch in the 4th quarter. I know you can't throw out the catch or anything, but he was fortunate to end up with the stats he did that week.In any case, I wouldn't cut him. His name alone has to carry some value with someone in your league, you should be able to trade him for something better than what you'd be able to pick up off the WW. I shipped him off as part of a deal in a redraft last week and got Cotchery back in the deal (there were several other players involved, but the other owner obviously thought Holt >> Cotchery. I disagreed.)

Even if you can work out a deal where you think you're getting less than Holt is worth, it's still better than cutting him for a WW scrub and letting someone else pick him up for free.

 
Traded Holt and Deangelo for Lynch and K. Walter before week 3's games. I would think something like this would be tough to do in most leagues, this week or last week. Not sure how I pulled it off, but I'll take it.

 
I'm not letting him go, certainly. Too early for that yet. But he's not anywhere near the starting lineup. Right now he's WR5 for me, and I only have 4 WRs on the team. How's that possible? Well, if I snag a guy like Antonio Bryant or Lance Moore off waivers I'd be more likely to put them in there over Holt at the moment. Trent Green's ascension gives me a little hope, though I don't know why.

 
Alluro said:
Sell Mortimer!! Sell!!
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Turn those machines back on!!Holt still starts, at least for the next two weeks. This week to see if Green can step right in and go in the offensive system, next week to see if their is progress. If he looks terrible this week and next, he may start riding the pine.
 
Before week 3 traded Holt and Royal for Fitzgerald. It's a 12 team 2 keeper league. We get to keep rookies in addition to 2 keepers by forefeiting the pick from the round we drafted them the year before. Even though still loving I sold Holt at right time

 
I'm worried b/c the Rams look that bad. I don't understand the Green move at all, but it's not factoring into my decision-making at the moment b/c it's not like Holt could do a lot worse, and I don't see how Green manages to stay upright for long behind that line in any case.

There's no way I'd drop him unless it's 6 team league. I don't think you can trade him right now just b/c the chances he'll bounce back are better than most anyone you're likely to get back in return. I'll definitely be looking to trade him if I can find an optimistic trade partner coming off a big week or two.

 
Saunders and Green go way back... so I could see this move if Bulger was a little banged up.

I've got a question... does the move increase McMichael's #s? Green has had that safety of Gonzo for so many yrs...

 
Kind of in a wait and see mode.

Although I did get an offer for Holt & LenDale for Fitz & Parker

Parker must be hurt really bad

 
Yenrub said:
Kind of in a wait and see mode.Although I did get an offer for Holt & LenDale for Fitz & Parker Parker must be hurt really bad
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Even if he is, I'd jump all over that deal. To turn Holt/White into Fitzgerald alone is a great trade in my opinion.
 
I haven't watched STL and Bulger this year and I haven't seen Green for a while but isn't it possible that Green will be more accurate than Bulger? I know Green had tremendous accuracy in KC but I would be worried about him behind that poor protecting OL in STL.

 
I somehow drafted SJax and Holt in both leagues. Can't get anyone to take him off my hands in one league. The other I traded Holt/McGahee for Holmes/Stewart middle of last week.

 
KellysHeroes said:
Saunders and Green go way back... so I could see this move if Bulger was a little banged up.I've got a question... does the move increase McMichael's #s? Green has had that safety of Gonzo for so many yrs...
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I was just discussing the same thing. The talk was about McMichael seeing a lot of targets in Saunders offense ... Now he has the QB that's been there and done that.I'm not so sure that Green is less talented than Bulgar.
 
Rams sucked last year for pretty much the same reasons they suck this year, and Holt still finished with over 90 catches, just under 1200 yds and 7 TDs. I'm gonna ride it out with Holt, and maybe see what happens on the trade front after he has a good week or two.

 
Socrates11 said:
Holt still starts, at least for the next two weeks.
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They have a bye week 5.4 Buffalo

5 BYE

6 Washington

7 Dallas

8 New England

9 Arizona

10 New York Jets

11 San Francisco

12 Miami

13 Chicago

14 Arizona

15 Seattle

16 San Francisco

17 Atlanta

I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid and stay with them. Overall I can't see how the Rams don't pull it together, they just have so much talent in Bulger, Jackson, & Holt. They faced 2 very good offensive and defensive teams (Philly and the Giants) and tanked in Seattle. IMO they really only face 3 tough D's and 2 solid D's. They have a pretty sweet stretch starting week 9, including the playoff stretch.

Granted as a Bulger/Holt owner I'm nervous, but I'm waiting until they play Arizona before calling them dead. After all, I want my QB and WR to be playing from behind so being on a bad team isn't a problem. However the QB does need to be standing so he can make a play.

 
what pissed me off last week is they started force-feeding him the ball on the last drive, like it took them 58 minutes to remember to get the ball to their best receiver.

he also dropped a TD last week. i'm sticking. Bulger hasn't been the same. he looks gun shy, which is understandable. there's a small chance that Green will be an upgrade.

 
Statcruncher said:
Socrates11 said:
Holt still starts, at least for the next two weeks.
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They have a bye week 5.4 Buffalo

5 BYE

6 Washington

7 Dallas

8 New England

9 Arizona

10 New York Jets

11 San Francisco

12 Miami

13 Chicago

14 Arizona

15 Seattle

16 San Francisco

17 Atlanta

I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid and stay with them. Overall I can't see how the Rams don't pull it together, they just have so much talent in Bulger, Jackson, & Holt. They faced 2 very good offensive and defensive teams (Philly and the Giants) and tanked in Seattle. IMO they really only face 3 tough D's and 2 solid D's. They have a pretty sweet stretch starting week 9, including the playoff stretch.

Granted as a Bulger/Holt owner I'm nervous, but I'm waiting until they play Arizona before calling them dead. After all, I want my QB and WR to be playing from behind so being on a bad team isn't a problem. However the QB does need to be standing so he can make a play.
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:lol: mainly because of the interactive color coding.
 
I have Holt in both leagues, but am deep enough at wr I can stash him on the bench if necesary. If he has a break out game I'll use him as trade bait. Otherwise, watch the matchups and use him as a flex.

 
joffer said:
what pissed me off last week is they started force-feeding him the ball on the last drive, like it took them 58 minutes to remember to get the ball to their best receiver.he also dropped a TD last week. i'm sticking. Bulger hasn't been the same. he looks gun shy, which is understandable. there's a small chance that Green will be an upgrade.
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I watched last weeks game and I agree. Bulger looks bad out there, he got an Eli Manning expression but no accuracy. That drop TD would of been a score if Bulger didn't under throw Holt. He clearly had his man beat. Then Bulger missed him on a deep route. Bulger looks hesitant out there even over throwing Looker to force him the make the catch out of bounds. I think the Benching will wake him up for the second half of the season.
 
No choice but to stay with him... not going to sell him low. I'm in a large league (16 teams, start 3 WRs), so I will probably have to keep starting him and ride it out, as depth and the waiver wire are too thin.

 
I would trade him to someone that think he's buying low. I think this is what his season will look like. If I had a deep roster, I'd probably give him a chance. But I'm in a unique contract league where I have him signed for next season at a high $$$ figure and I am thinking of cutting him just to get his contract off my books for next season. It's that bad. I don't see this getting better.

 
I had him in a dynasty league, and I recently cut bait. I got a 1st round rookie pick in next year's draft. It's a 16 team league and it will likely be a lower pick, but I was basically afraid I would never get another offer for him again, lol.

 
Can't sell fast enough. It wasn't Bulger who was holding Holt back. However, with the QB switch, you might be able to talk him up a bit and make a move.

The playcalling sucks, the OL sucks, and the D has a tough time keeping 40 points the board a week.

I'll be targeting...

Dwayne Bowe

Wes Welker

Roddy White

Maybe Galloway if I can get a bit more in the deal.

 
I just don't get the Trent Green move. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the same Trent Green who's carreer looked pretty much over because he had a grey-matter omelet in his head a couple years ago, right? And they're putting him behind arguably the worst O-line in the NFL??

What's the over/under on games he starts before another devastating concussion - Three?

 
Interesting to note that FBG's initial projections have Holt ranked as a solid WR2 this week. I'm not going to reveal the projections but it appears FBG does not believe Holt will be hurt by the change at QB.

 
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The rams are really that bad, but that doesn't automatically equate to bad numbers for holt through the season. They will be down big and early, leading them to throw. Whether its bulger, or green, someone has to start throwing, and their best receiver by far is holt. He'll rack up some garbage time numbers through the games. It'll be a volatile season, wtih some 2/25 weeks and some 7/110/2td weeks me thinks. The real question is, what to do with SJax. Took him over Westy at #3 in a league...

 
traded him in one league where he still has 2 years after this one on his contract for ocho cinco in the last year of his contract.

to be honest, i didn't want him taking up a roster spot for the next two years...of course, now he'll get moved in the offseason to a contender.

the rams just look pathetisad and I personally don't see an end in sight. At least the bungals showed some signs of life last week.

 
FWIW

I was offered Holt, Watson (I own Perry) and a 13th rounder next year for R Moss

Not sure what I am going to do.

(not soliciting advice, not trying to go AC on you, just throwing it out there)

 
Before week 3, traded Holt and LJ for Addai and Bruce. 14 team ppr, couldn't be happier, tough to start both, on bad offenses.

 
talented WR with a history of production, on a team with a terrible defense...seems to me that all he is missing, really, is another receiving threat to take the pressure off.

It's been brutal, no doubt, but I remember reading somewhere that he is a better play at home, and that kind of makes sense, in a "try harder for the home crowd" sort of way.

So that's my plan - start him @ home, bench him on the road.

 
moleculo said:
talented WR with a history of production, on a team with a terrible defense...seems to me that all he is missing, really, is another receiving threat to take the pressure off.It's been brutal, no doubt, but I remember reading somewhere that he is a better play at home, and that kind of makes sense, in a "try harder for the home crowd" sort of way.So that's my plan - start him @ home, bench him on the road.
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30 out of 73 road games, he has scored 10+ points (FBG scoring)40 out of 71 home games he has scored 10+ points.Out of 10 career multi-TD games, 8 took place at home.Interesting theory, maybe there's something to it...
 
tomarken said:
moleculo said:
talented WR with a history of production, on a team with a terrible defense...seems to me that all he is missing, really, is another receiving threat to take the pressure off.It's been brutal, no doubt, but I remember reading somewhere that he is a better play at home, and that kind of makes sense, in a "try harder for the home crowd" sort of way.So that's my plan - start him @ home, bench him on the road.
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30 out of 73 road games, he has scored 10+ points (FBG scoring)40 out of 71 home games he has scored 10+ points.Out of 10 career multi-TD games, 8 took place at home.Interesting theory, maybe there's something to it...
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without doing any research whatsoever, i would bet the home/away thing isn't as valid as turf/grass
 
Dt said:
tomarken said:
moleculo said:
talented WR with a history of production, on a team with a terrible defense...seems to me that all he is missing, really, is another receiving threat to take the pressure off.It's been brutal, no doubt, but I remember reading somewhere that he is a better play at home, and that kind of makes sense, in a "try harder for the home crowd" sort of way.So that's my plan - start him @ home, bench him on the road.
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30 out of 73 road games, he has scored 10+ points (FBG scoring)40 out of 71 home games he has scored 10+ points.Out of 10 career multi-TD games, 8 took place at home.Interesting theory, maybe there's something to it...
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without doing any research whatsoever, i would bet the home/away thing isn't as valid as turf/grass
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Good point. And would you wager that most WRs have better numbers at home?
 
Mungo Burrows said:
I just don't get the Trent Green move. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the same Trent Green who's carreer looked pretty much over because he had a grey-matter omelet in his head a couple years ago, right? And they're putting him behind arguably the worst O-line in the NFL??What's the over/under on games he starts before another devastating concussion - Three?
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Against the Bills, with that line and Pace getting hurt against Seattle--I'll give him three quarters.
 
So what's the verdict with Holt owners this week? FBG still has him ranked as a solid WR2 so they clearly don't view Green as being a major detriment to Holt's production. What do the Holt owners here think? Are you starting him? If you're benching him, are you doing it for a lesser WR (benching Holt for someone like Greg Jennings or Santana Moss isn't a tough call)?

How are Holt owners reacting to the change at QB and the matchup this week against a Bills' defense that has a strong statistical ranking but wasn't very imposing the last two games?

 
packersfan said:
So what's the verdict with Holt owners this week? FBG still has him ranked as a solid WR2 so they clearly don't view Green as being a major detriment to Holt's production. What do the Holt owners here think? Are you starting him? If you're benching him, are you doing it for a lesser WR (benching Holt for someone like Greg Jennings or Santana Moss isn't a tough call)?How are Holt owners reacting to the change at QB and the matchup this week against a Bills' defense that has a strong statistical ranking but wasn't very imposing the last two games?
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I actually think Green will HELP Holt's production. He knows the offense like the back of his hand. Saunders offense is very complex, it's possible that Bulger just didn't quite grasp it. Green is accurate and if he's had a week to get timing down I expect a better day from Holt. Look what Green was able to do in KC with Eddie Kennison as a #1 in that offense.Of course everything in the above paragraph is contingent on the Rams line being able to keep Trent upright.
 
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