Total Passing yards week 1 2011 vs week 1 2012 (1 Viewer)

[rickyg]

week 1 of the 2012 season witnessed far less passing yardage than week 1 of the 2011 season (although tere are 2 games left to play).

Not one qb threw for over 400 yds.

I don't think even one threw for over 350 yds.

Not too many threw for over 300 yds.

All of the stud qbs regressed from their week 1 performances last year.

All In all the numbers were way down from last year across the board. Given that this regression was across the board lower, I think it is safe to say that we now know it was the lockout that caused that dramatic spike in qb production last year and I believe it was an anomaly.

The question now is what to do with that information? Does it make another position like RB more important again? Does it mean that people who drafted qb early are going to be hurting this year bc they chased last years passing numbers and won't even come close?

How can we use this info to adjust our fantasy season or take advantage? do you turn around and trade an Elite qb for a stud rb plus more? some will say it's too early to do that but if I'm right then the window to get maximum value is now and will close with each week of passing yards proving to be back at 2010 levels.

Thoughts?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

Replacement refs are allowing a lot more defensive holding to occur past five yards.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I want to share something I posted on a couple other sites before migrating over here..

Last year was arguably the year of the QB with numerous records being broken and eye popping totals being put up. A lot of people attribute these stats to the lock out and defenses being ill prepared amongst other variables. My question is, were last year's statistics, specifically the combination of both large passing totals and large touchdown counts an outlier? Can we really expect the top five QBs of 2012 to decimate records again or at least come close? Yes, we are officially in a passing league now, but this didn't just come out of the blue. This transition has been happening for a while, just look at the last four teams to win a SB (ranked near last in rushing). I'm going to argue QBs are being overvalued right now, with many experts predicting last years stats, especially the elite's, to be emulated. I think they might just come back down to earth, if even slightly, and look more like the totals of the several years before 2011. Just to be used as a point of reference, I'll list the top 10 QBs from 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011. I'll simply be listing passing yards, touchdowns and interceptions. If you see someone like Cam Newton/Micheal Vick ranked high, it's implied that a lot of their value came from their ground game. So what do you guys think? Are we going to see another slew of 5,000+ yard, 40 TD passers this year or are they going to come back down to earth?

* order is may differ and is dependent on format

2008

1. Drew Brees - 5,069 - 34 - 17

2. Aaron Rodgers - 4,038 - 28 - 13

3. Jay Cutler - 4,525 - 25 - 18

4. Philip Rivers - 4,004 - 34 - 11

5. Kurt Warner - 4,582 - 30 - 14

6. Peyton Manning - 4,002 - 27 - 12

7. Donovan McNabb - 3,916 - 23 - 11

8. Matt Cassel - 3,693 - 21 - 11

9. David Garrard - 3,620 - 15 - 13

10. Chad Pennington - 3,653 - 19 - 7

2009

1. Aaron Rodgers - 4,434 - 30 - 7

2. Drew Brees - 4,388 - 34 -11

3. Matt Schaub - 4,770 - 29 - 15

4. Peyton Manning - 4,500 - 33 - 16

5. Brett Favre - 4,202 - 33 - 7

6. Tom Brady - 4,398 - 28 - 13

7. Tony Romo - 4,483 - 26 - 9

8. Ben Roethlisberger - 4,328 - 26 - 12

9. Philip Rivers - 4,254 - 28 - 9

10. Eli Manning - 4,021 - 27 - 14

2010

1. Michael Vick - 3,018 - 21 - 6

2. Aaron Rodgers - 3,922 - 28 - 11

3. Tom Brady - 3,900 - 36 - 4

4. Peyton Manning - 4,700 - 33 - 17

5. Philip Rivers - 4,710 - 30 - 13

6. Drew Brees - 4,620 - 33 - 22

7 . Josh Freeman - 3,451 - 25 - 6

8. Eli Manning - 4,002 - 31 - 25

9. Matt Ryan - 3,706 - 28 - 9

10. Matt Schaub - 4,369 - 24 - 12

2011

1. Aaron Rodgers - 4,643 - 45 - 6

2. Drew Brees - 5,476 - 46 - 14

3. Cam Newton - 4,051 - 21 - 17

4. Tom Brady - 5,239 - 39 - 12

5. Mathew Stafford - 5,038 - 41 - 16

6. Eli Manning - 4,933 - 29 - 16

7. Tony Romo - 4,184 - 31 - 10

8. Matt Ryan - 4,177 - 29 - 12

9. Philip Rivers - 4,624 - 27 - 20

10. Mark Sanchez - 3,474 - 26 - 18

EDIT: We can't compile the data until the rest of the games play out but I'll add up the totals right now for ####s.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Unless my math is wrong, which it could be since I'm about to pass out..

So far QBs this year are averaging 256 YPG.

In 2011 QBs averaged 262 YPG in week 1.

Whether or not my math is correct or not I did notice one thing. When I posted my small article comparing QB stats from 08-011, many people said they believed the totals would actually increase, but the gap between QB1 and QB12 for instance, would close. This would lead to the "elite" QBs being overvalued, but for a different reason. While adding up the totals, this seemed to be the case, at least for week 1. No one had crazy days like Brady who threw for 500+ yards and Newton who threw for 400+ yards in 2011. In the same light, we also had dudes like McNabb who threw for sub 100 yards and a handful of QBs who couldn't even break 150 yards that same week. This year, everyone looked..very even. There were plenty of 300 yard games across the board with no one going much lower than 250 (I believe). If this small sample size is a preview of things to come, the playing field may be more even than we think. Check it out for yourself.

 

[rickyg]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board. The point of my post was not to prove that the stat was down. that's obvious to all except I guess you? The point of the post was to dissect why (opinion) and to determine if there is something to glean from this rather than just saying "oh well, passing regressed back to the norm in 2012". How can we benefit from the info? What's the shark move? That's my point. More miserable people in the SP than in many starving countries it seems.

 

[Short Corner]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board. The point of my post was not to prove that the stat was down. that's obvious to all except I guess you? The point of the post was to dissect why (opinion) and to determine if there is something to glean from this rather than just saying "oh well, passing regressed back to the norm in 2012". How can we benefit from the info? What's the shark move? That's my point. More miserable people in the SP than in many starving countries it seems.

Here's an idea guys....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...what do yo guys think? Who wants do the research for me?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board. The point of my post was not to prove that the stat was down. that's obvious to all except I guess you? The point of the post was to dissect why (opinion) and to determine if there is something to glean from this rather than just saying "oh well, passing regressed back to the norm in 2012". How can we benefit from the info? What's the shark move? That's my point. More miserable people in the SP than in many starving countries it seems.

First, be excellent to one another. Throwing out so many personal attacks won't make you any friends around here and you won't be posting for long, either.Second, do your own research before you post something like this. The numbers in question are not by any means hard to find. In a more complicated scenario, I would understand posting to ask for data. Third, if the numbers from SameSong are to be trusted, passing is down an average of 6 yards per QB so far. Then again, if you had bothered to research you would know that rather than throwing out insults because something that didn't even happen seems obvious to you.

 

[rickyg]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board. The point of my post was not to prove that the stat was down. that's obvious to all except I guess you? The point of the post was to dissect why (opinion) and to determine if there is something to glean from this rather than just saying "oh well, passing regressed back to the norm in 2012". How can we benefit from the info? What's the shark move? That's my point. More miserable people in the SP than in many starving countries it seems.

First, be excellent to one another. Throwing out so many personal attacks won't make you any friends around here and you won't be posting for long, either.Second, do your own research before you post something like this. The numbers in question are not by any means hard to find. In a more complicated scenario, I would understand posting to ask for data. Third, if the numbers from SameSong are to be trusted, passing is down an average of 6 yards per QB so far. Then again, if you had bothered to research you would know that rather than throwing out insults because something that didn't even happen seems obvious to you.

Edited for you. Now I am no longer asking for stats. I really don't need stats to know what I saw. Its not hard to see that there were no qbs today who threw for over 350 yards lets alone 500+. That was never the point of my original post. People on the boards just like to nitpick and pick everything apart. And I am one of the nice guys on these boards. I just don't appreciate people coming on a thread that I have started to promote healthy discussion and spewing their venom bc they are miserable and want to spread the misery. It's the people that are obnoxious and post things like "cool story bro" and other useless remarks that bring these boards down.

 

[bushdocda]

week 1 of the 2012 season witnessed far less passing yardage than week 1 of the 2011 season (although tere are 2 games left to play). Not one qb threw for over 400 yds. I don't think even one threw for over 350 yds. Not too many threw for over 300 yds. All of the stud qbs regressed from their week 1 performances last year.All In all the numbers were way down from last year across the board. Given that this regression was across the board lower, I think it is safe to say that we now know it was the lockout that caused that dramatic spike in qb production last year and I believe it was an anomaly. The question now is what to do with that information? Does it make another position like RB more important again? Does it mean that people who drafted qb early are going to be hurting this year bc they chased last years passing numbers and won't even come close?How can we use this info to adjust our fantasy season or take advantage? do you turn around and trade an Elite qb for a stud rb plus more? some will say it's too early to do that but if I'm right then the window to get maximum value is now and will close with each week of passing yards proving to be back at 2010 levels. Thoughts?

355 > 350NEXT QUESTION!

 

[Young 8]

Thoughts?

No lockout

 

[Bayhawks]

I really don't need stats to know what I saw.

The point is that you didn't see what you thought you saw. According to SameSongNDance, passing yards for week 1 were only down by 6 YPG. That's not nearly as huge a drop as you seem to believe, and it sure shouldn't lead anyone to the conclusion that 2011 was an anomaly attributable solely to the lockout, and that you should trade Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Stafford, Newton etc for RBs, as you suggest.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

week 1 of the 2012 season witnessed far less passing yardage than week 1 of the 2011 season (although tere are 2 games left to play). Not one qb threw for over 400 yds. I don't think even one threw for over 350 yds. Not too many threw for over 300 yds. All of the stud qbs regressed from their week 1 performances last year.All In all the numbers were way down from last year across the board. Given that this regression was across the board lower, I think it is safe to say that we now know it was the lockout that caused that dramatic spike in qb production last year and I believe it was an anomaly. The question now is what to do with that information? Does it make another position like RB more important again? Does it mean that people who drafted qb early are going to be hurting this year bc they chased last years passing numbers and won't even come close?How can we use this info to adjust our fantasy season or take advantage? do you turn around and trade an Elite qb for a stud rb plus more? some will say it's too early to do that but if I'm right then the window to get maximum value is now and will close with each week of passing yards proving to be back at 2010 levels. Thoughts?

Well their were five rookie QBs startig, the first time in NFL history that has happened, and their were a handful of second year guys starting as well. That alone could account for the decrease. Add in bad weather down in Tampa Bay with two young QBs playing in that game.If you were to first point out to people a week before the season that we would have five rookies starting at quarterback and have a handful of second year starters and have bad weather and then tell them that the passing numbers would be down after the first week, what conclusions do you think that they would derive for the lower passing totals in the first week over the previous season?And the stud passers were matched up against tough passing defenses so their lower numbers could also be accounted for.

 

[matuski]

A more useful approach would be to compare and analyze QBs actually used in FF.. so say the top 15.

All the rookies and bad situations like Arizona only serve to muddle the topic.

Of course if I were to start this thread I'd actually look it up and bring something to the table.

 

[David Yudkin]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

 

[shadyridr]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Don't we have an over reaction thread? 1 week does not a trend make

 

[rickyg]

Thoughts?

No lockout

Agreed

 

[rickyg]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

And this is why statistics are not the end all be all. One can manipulate the numbers in any given manner to get the answer he desires. For instance, who really cares about all 32 teams for the point I am trying to make? Just look at the top 5 qbs: Arodg, Brady, Brees, stafford, Newton. These guys were all drafted in the first 2 rounds, and the reason being was that they each give such a huge scoring advantage over the next 7 qbs tht will start for the 7 other teams that wait until rounds 5-10 to draft their qbs. If week one is any indication, and I believe it is (we can't know for sure because the season has to play out so I was stating my opinion) then my entire point was that there are going to be some very disappointed owners who used a top 2 draft pick to secure one of these guys hoping to cash in in another passing bonanza when really they could have just wited and drafted Payton, Eli, romo, rivers, or schaub in later rounds and stacked up on rb/wr. Rb/wr most likely suffered on those teams if they went qb first or 2nd rd. So my point was that MAYBE, and I say maybe bc again you can't know for sure until the rest of the season plays out (but then it will be too late) the shark move is to recognize this as a possibility and to move that top qb for max value to another owner who is pissed he couldn't get his hands in a top qb and is tantalize by the possibility that they will sill have the type of season they had last year. That window won't stay open if their production stays like this (very good hut not 2011 good) for another few games.But you guys can go ahead and use all 32 teams, weather, etc to paint a picture of an argument that my argument holds no water. I actually like that bc it means I an right in that people will still want to believe that 2011 passing stats will be repeated in 2012 so trade value for elite qbs is still very high. To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water. Seems like people are really not happy with this discussion so I'll now out now. Thought it would provoke some good healthy strategy talk but didn't go that way. Oh well.

 

[Reepicheep]

 

[MNTom]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

And this is why statistics are not the end all be all. One can manipulate the numbers in any given manner to get the answer he desires. For instance, who really cares about all 32 teams for the point I am trying to make? Just look at the top 5 qbs: Arodg, Brady, Brees, stafford, Newton. These guys were all drafted in the first 2 rounds, and the reason being was that they each give such a huge scoring advantage over the next 7 qbs tht will start for the 7 other teams that wait until rounds 5-10 to draft their qbs.

If week one is any indication, and I believe it is (we can't know for sure because the season has to play out so I was stating my opinion) then my entire point was that there are going to be some very disappointed owners who used a top 2 draft pick to secure one of these guys hoping to cash in in another passing bonanza when really they could have just wited and drafted Payton, Eli, romo, rivers, or schaub in later rounds and stacked up on rb/wr. Rb/wr most likely suffered on those teams if they went qb first or 2nd rd.

So my point was that MAYBE, and I say maybe bc again you can't know for sure until the rest of the season plays out (but then it will be too late) the shark move is to recognize this as a possibility and to move that top qb for max value to another owner who is pissed he couldn't get his hands in a top qb and is tantalize by the possibility that they will sill have the type of season they had last year. That window won't stay open if their production stays like this (very good hut not 2011 good) for another few games.

But you guys can go ahead and use all 32 teams, weather, etc to paint a picture of an argument that my argument holds no water. I actually like that bc it means I an right in that people will still want to believe that 2011 passing stats will be repeated in 2012 so trade value for elite qbs is still very high.

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

Seems like people are really not happy with this discussion so I'll now out now. Thought it would provoke some good healthy strategy talk but didn't go that way. Oh well.

4 of the top 5 went for over 300 yards. I believe this would put them close to 5000 for the year if they kept it up.

 

[Short Corner]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

And this is why statistics are not the end all be all. One can manipulate the numbers in any given manner to get the answer he desires. For instance, who really cares about all 32 teams for the point I am trying to make? Just look at the top 5 qbs: Arodg, Brady, Brees, stafford, Newton. These guys were all drafted in the first 2 rounds, and the reason being was that they each give such a huge scoring advantage over the next 7 qbs tht will start for the 7 other teams that wait until rounds 5-10 to draft their qbs. If week one is any indication, and I believe it is (we can't know for sure because the season has to play out so I was stating my opinion) then my entire point was that there are going to be some very disappointed owners who used a top 2 draft pick to secure one of these guys hoping to cash in in another passing bonanza when really they could have just wited and drafted Payton, Eli, romo, rivers, or schaub in later rounds and stacked up on rb/wr. Rb/wr most likely suffered on those teams if they went qb first or 2nd rd. So my point was that MAYBE, and I say maybe bc again you can't know for sure until the rest of the season plays out (but then it will be too late) the shark move is to recognize this as a possibility and to move that top qb for max value to another owner who is pissed he couldn't get his hands in a top qb and is tantalize by the possibility that they will sill have the type of season they had last year. That window won't stay open if their production stays like this (very good hut not 2011 good) for another few games.But you guys can go ahead and use all 32 teams, weather, etc to paint a picture of an argument that my argument holds no water. I actually like that bc it means I an right in that people will still want to believe that 2011 passing stats will be repeated in 2012 so trade value for elite qbs is still very high. To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water. Seems like people are really not happy with this discussion so I'll now out now. Thought it would provoke some good healthy strategy talk but didn't go that way. Oh well.

How dare anyone look for an explanation to refute your cherry picked numbers.Personally, I would keep this thread going until someone comes up with the conclusion that you are looking for.

 

[David Yudkin]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

And this is why statistics are not the end all be all. One can manipulate the numbers in any given manner to get the answer he desires. For instance, who really cares about all 32 teams for the point I am trying to make? Just look at the top 5 qbs: Arodg, Brady, Brees, stafford, Newton. These guys were all drafted in the first 2 rounds, and the reason being was that they each give such a huge scoring advantage over the next 7 qbs tht will start for the 7 other teams that wait until rounds 5-10 to draft their qbs. If week one is any indication, and I believe it is (we can't know for sure because the season has to play out so I was stating my opinion) then my entire point was that there are going to be some very disappointed owners who used a top 2 draft pick to secure one of these guys hoping to cash in in another passing bonanza when really they could have just wited and drafted Payton, Eli, romo, rivers, or schaub in later rounds and stacked up on rb/wr. Rb/wr most likely suffered on those teams if they went qb first or 2nd rd. So my point was that MAYBE, and I say maybe bc again you can't know for sure until the rest of the season plays out (but then it will be too late) the shark move is to recognize this as a possibility and to move that top qb for max value to another owner who is pissed he couldn't get his hands in a top qb and is tantalize by the possibility that they will sill have the type of season they had last year. That window won't stay open if their production stays like this (very good hut not 2011 good) for another few games.But you guys can go ahead and use all 32 teams, weather, etc to paint a picture of an argument that my argument holds no water. I actually like that bc it means I an right in that people will still want to believe that 2011 passing stats will be repeated in 2012 so trade value for elite qbs is still very high. To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water. Seems like people are really not happy with this discussion so I'll now out now. Thought it would provoke some good healthy strategy talk but didn't go that way. Oh well.

IT'S ONE GAME. People are on the Island of Overreaction right now. They play 16 games, and the Top QBs have shown that they over time are CONSISTENTLY better performers than the pack. So sure, Sanchez had a good week. Let's see if he does as well all the other weeks. As for the early round fantasy QB selections, the Top 5-6 in many drafts were . . .Rodgers - Ranked 6th this weekBrady - Ranked 10th this weekBrees - Ranked 4th this weekStafford - Ranked 16th this week but had a ton of passing yards.Newton - Ranked 18th this weekRyan - Ranked 1st this weekFour of these guys were Top 10 QBs this week . . . it's not like they were complete busts. In most leagues, some of the guys that did well likely were not submitted as fantasy starters anyway (Sanchez, Gabbert, Cassel, Smith, Fitzgerald). The point being, the early round guys could STILL have had a decent scoring advantage over other fantasy QBs, even if they didn't pass for 400 yards.

 

[Short Corner]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

And this is why statistics are not the end all be all. One can manipulate the numbers in any given manner to get the answer he desires. For instance, who really cares about all 32 teams for the point I am trying to make? Just look at the top 5 qbs: Arodg, Brady, Brees, stafford, Newton. These guys were all drafted in the first 2 rounds, and the reason being was that they each give such a huge scoring advantage over the next 7 qbs tht will start for the 7 other teams that wait until rounds 5-10 to draft their qbs.

If week one is any indication, and I believe it is (we can't know for sure because the season has to play out so I was stating my opinion) then my entire point was that there are going to be some very disappointed owners who used a top 2 draft pick to secure one of these guys hoping to cash in in another passing bonanza when really they could have just wited and drafted Payton, Eli, romo, rivers, or schaub in later rounds and stacked up on rb/wr. Rb/wr most likely suffered on those teams if they went qb first or 2nd rd.

So my point was that MAYBE, and I say maybe bc again you can't know for sure until the rest of the season plays out (but then it will be too late) the shark move is to recognize this as a possibility and to move that top qb for max value to another owner who is pissed he couldn't get his hands in a top qb and is tantalize by the possibility that they will sill have the type of season they had last year. That window won't stay open if their production stays like this (very good hut not 2011 good) for another few games.

But you guys can go ahead and use all 32 teams, weather, etc to paint a picture of an argument that my argument holds no water. I actually like that bc it means I an right in that people will still want to believe that 2011 passing stats will be repeated in 2012 so trade value for elite qbs is still very high.

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

Seems like people are really not happy with this discussion so I'll now out now. Thought it would provoke some good healthy strategy talk but didn't go that way. Oh well.

4 of the top 5 went for over 300 yards. I believe this would put them close to 5000 for the year if they kept it up.

By our scoring system, last season, 2 QBs scored 500+pt and 4 more scored 400+.This season 1 QB is on pace to score 600+, 3 more on pace for 500+, and still 7 more on pace for 400+.

 

[fatness]

Replacement refs are allowing a lot more defensive holding to occur past five yards.

Yeah, they are. At the same time they seem to be calling more infractions on line play.

 

[Bayhawks]

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

OK, I thought I'd try that. After all, looking up stats for 5 QBs isn't that difficult, right? (I mean you must have done that before you threw this statement out there, right?)Rodgers: '11- 309 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards Brady: '11-327 YPG. '12 Week 1-236 yardsBrees: '11-342 YPG. '12 Week 1-339 yardsStafford: '11-315 YPG. '12 Week 1-355 yardsNewton: '11-253 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yardsIn 2011, these 5 QBs averaged 309.3 YPG. In week 1 of 2012, they averaged 307.2 YPG. You were right, the 6 yard differential didn't "hold water." It's even less. Maybe I should revoke my trade offer of Brady for Ridley, straight up .

 

[rickyg]

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

OK, I thought I'd try that. After all, looking up stats for 5 QBs isn't that difficult, right? (I mean you must have done that before you threw this statement out there, right?)Rodgers: '11- 309 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards Brady: '11-327 YPG. '12 Week 1-236 yardsBrees: '11-342 YPG. '12 Week 1-339 yardsStafford: '11-315 YPG. '12 Week 1-355 yardsNewton: '11-253 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yardsIn 2011, these 5 QBs averaged 309.3 YPG. In week 1 of 2012, they averaged 307.2 YPG. You were right, the 6 yard differential didn't "hold water." It's even less. Maybe I should revoke my trade offer of Brady for Ridley, straight up .

Ok wait let me make sure I understand what you are doing here: it seems as if you are calculating yards per game here for 2011 as opposed to sima stating what their WEEK 1 stats were in 2011. Reread the original post it was comparing week1 of 2011 to week 1 of 2012. Your comparisons of ypg don't hold water until after the full 2012 season is done. Then you can compare 2011 ypg to 2012 ypg. And I suspect they will be further apart than what your findings suggest. Just another example of manipulating the numbers to prove your point.

 

[rickyg]

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

OK, I thought I'd try that. After all, looking up stats for 5 QBs isn't that difficult, right? (I mean you must have done that before you threw this statement out there, right?)Rodgers: '11- 309 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards Brady: '11-327 YPG. '12 Week 1-236 yardsBrees: '11-342 YPG. '12 Week 1-339 yardsStafford: '11-315 YPG. '12 Week 1-355 yardsNewton: '11-253 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yardsIn 2011, these 5 QBs averaged 309.3 YPG. In week 1 of 2012, they averaged 307.2 YPG. You were right, the 6 yard differential didn't "hold water." It's even less. Maybe I should revoke my trade offer of Brady for Ridley, straight up .

And please reference to me here in any of my posts I intimated that one should trade Brady for Ridley straight up. I DID say maybe for a stud RB and THEN some

 

[BroadwayG]

On the plus side, Brees only threw for 270 Week 2 last year.

 

[LawFitz]

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

OK, I thought I'd try that. After all, looking up stats for 5 QBs isn't that difficult, right? (I mean you must have done that before you threw this statement out there, right?)Rodgers: '11- 309 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards

Brady: '11-327 YPG. '12 Week 1-236 yards

Brees: '11-342 YPG. '12 Week 1-339 yards

Stafford: '11-315 YPG. '12 Week 1-355 yards

Newton: '11-253 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards

In 2011, these 5 QBs averaged 309.3 YPG. In week 1 of 2012, they averaged 307.2 YPG.

You were right, the 6 yard differential didn't "hold water." It's even less. Maybe I should revoke my trade offer of Brady for Ridley, straight up .

Ok wait let me make sure I understand what you are doing here: it seems as if you are calculating yards per game here for 2011 as opposed to sima stating what their WEEK 1 stats were in 2011. Reread the original post it was comparing week1 of 2011 to week 1 of 2012.

Your comparisons of ypg don't hold water until after the full 2012 season is done. Then you can compare 2011 ypg to 2012 ypg. And I suspect they will be further apart than what your findings suggest.

Just another example of manipulating the numbers to prove your point.

But comparing one week this season to one week last season is fair?You're coming across as extremely hypocritical on multiple levels in this thread. You might want to slow down and reassess your stance before you post again.

 

[David Yudkin]

If the point of this thread was to point out that there were fewer 400 yard or 500 yard passing performances this year than last year, I agree. There weren't. If the point was to show that there was less passing overall this year than last year, I don't agree. I suppose I should ask for clarification as to what the topic is really about, seeing how that has become a little unclear at the moment.

 

[shadyridr]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

Any mental midget can see those numbers are WAY down. Who needs stats to prove it?

And this is why statistics are not the end all be all. One can manipulate the numbers in any given manner to get the answer he desires. For instance, who really cares about all 32 teams for the point I am trying to make? Just look at the top 5 qbs: Arodg, Brady, Brees, stafford, Newton. These guys were all drafted in the first 2 rounds, and the reason being was that they each give such a huge scoring advantage over the next 7 qbs tht will start for the 7 other teams that wait until rounds 5-10 to draft their qbs. If week one is any indication, and I believe it is (we can't know for sure because the season has to play out so I was stating my opinion) then my entire point was that there are going to be some very disappointed owners who used a top 2 draft pick to secure one of these guys hoping to cash in in another passing bonanza when really they could have just wited and drafted Payton, Eli, romo, rivers, or schaub in later rounds and stacked up on rb/wr. Rb/wr most likely suffered on those teams if they went qb first or 2nd rd. So my point was that MAYBE, and I say maybe bc again you can't know for sure until the rest of the season plays out (but then it will be too late) the shark move is to recognize this as a possibility and to move that top qb for max value to another owner who is pissed he couldn't get his hands in a top qb and is tantalize by the possibility that they will sill have the type of season they had last year. That window won't stay open if their production stays like this (very good hut not 2011 good) for another few games.But you guys can go ahead and use all 32 teams, weather, etc to paint a picture of an argument that my argument holds no water. I actually like that bc it means I an right in that people will still want to believe that 2011 passing stats will be repeated in 2012 so trade value for elite qbs is still very high. To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water. Seems like people are really not happy with this discussion so I'll now out now. Thought it would provoke some good healthy strategy talk but didn't go that way. Oh well.

so your theory is total passing yards were down and you DONT wanna use stats to prove it? mmm ok

 

[Bayhawks]

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

OK, I thought I'd try that. After all, looking up stats for 5 QBs isn't that difficult, right? (I mean you must have done that before you threw this statement out there, right?)Rodgers: '11- 309 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards Brady: '11-327 YPG. '12 Week 1-236 yardsBrees: '11-342 YPG. '12 Week 1-339 yardsStafford: '11-315 YPG. '12 Week 1-355 yardsNewton: '11-253 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yardsIn 2011, these 5 QBs averaged 309.3 YPG. In week 1 of 2012, they averaged 307.2 YPG. You were right, the 6 yard differential didn't "hold water." It's even less. Maybe I should revoke my trade offer of Brady for Ridley, straight up .

Ok wait let me make sure I understand what you are doing here: it seems as if you are calculating yards per game here for 2011 as opposed to sima stating what their WEEK 1 stats were in 2011. Reread the original post it was comparing week1 of 2011 to week 1 of 2012. Your comparisons of ypg don't hold water until after the full 2012 season is done. Then you can compare 2011 ypg to 2012 ypg. And I suspect they will be further apart than what your findings suggest. Just another example of manipulating the numbers to prove your point.

I'm manipulating the numbers? You are the one who suggested that the 2011 SEASON was a result of the lock-out, and then you want to use SINGLE GAME results from a SELECT FEW QBS to make your point, yet I'm the one manipulating numbers? Uh, OK

 

[rickyg]

Ok I give up. The season will play out and we will have our answer as to whether or not passing yardage will be lower in 2012 than in 2011. Sorry to bother all of you Next topic please.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

To the guys who are spitting out the stats try the calculation with the top 5 qbs and see of your 6 yard differential holds water.

OK, I thought I'd try that. After all, looking up stats for 5 QBs isn't that difficult, right? (I mean you must have done that before you threw this statement out there, right?)Rodgers: '11- 309 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yards Brady: '11-327 YPG. '12 Week 1-236 yardsBrees: '11-342 YPG. '12 Week 1-339 yardsStafford: '11-315 YPG. '12 Week 1-355 yardsNewton: '11-253 YPG. '12 Week 1-303 yardsIn 2011, these 5 QBs averaged 309.3 YPG. In week 1 of 2012, they averaged 307.2 YPG. You were right, the 6 yard differential didn't "hold water." It's even less. Maybe I should revoke my trade offer of Brady for Ridley, straight up .

Ok wait let me make sure I understand what you are doing here: it seems as if you are calculating yards per game here for 2011 as opposed to sima stating what their WEEK 1 stats were in 2011. Reread the original post it was comparing week1 of 2011 to week 1 of 2012. Your comparisons of ypg don't hold water until after the full 2012 season is done. Then you can compare 2011 ypg to 2012 ypg. And I suspect they will be further apart than what your findings suggest. Just another example of manipulating the numbers to prove your point.

Sorry man, but you should probably give up.What would comparing a Brady's Week 1 last season to Brady's Week 1 this season prove? What he did clearly contradicts the "point" you were trying to make. What you are now asking him to do would be "manipulating numbers" and would clearly not make any kind of statement at all.

 

[doeseatplace]

Just asking....does the fact that passing yards are down this year have a greater bearing if you are playing in a guppy league with your brother-in-law?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=653847

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Ok I give up.

I see you came to this conclusion yourself. Good work.

 

[Reepicheep]

Ok I give up. The season will play out and we will have our answer as to whether or not passing yardage will be lower in 2012 than in 2011. Sorry to bother all of you Next topic please.

So your stake in the ground is now that the aggregate passing numbers in 2012 will be an unspecified amount lower than than the all-time record 2011 numbers?

 

[Banemorth]

Ok I give up. The season will play out and we will have our answer as to whether or not passing yardage will be lower in 2012 than in 2011. Sorry to bother all of you Next topic please.

So your stake in the ground is now that the aggregate passing numbers in 2012 will be an unspecified amount lower than than the all-time record 2011 numbers?

This sums up the whole thread.

 

[rickyg]

Ok I give up. The season will play out and we will have our answer as to whether or not passing yardage will be lower in 2012 than in 2011. Sorry to bother all of you Next topic please.

So your stake in the ground is now that the aggregate passing numbers in 2012 will be an unspecified amount lower than than the all-time record 2011 numbers?

This sums up the whole thread.

Insert school girl laugh "hehehe!". Arigato!

 

[th3f00l]

The only thing you can extract from this week 1 2012 to 2011 comparison is an analysis of opening week stats with a preseason vs without. Using it as an indicator of the remaining regular season games is flawed hokum.

A math nerd got a wedgie on the first day of his sophomore year in high school. The rest of the year he received 16 wedgies and 4 swirlies. On the first day of his junior year he received zero wedgies. This would of course indicate that the previous year was a fluke, and he can wear his Star Trek officer's uniform without fear of ridicule.

 

[[icon]]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board.

We could probably start with yours. Stay classy, kid. He simply suggested you post some numbers to back up your assertion.... which is a valid request. If "even a mental midget" could look it up, why didn't you do so?

ETA: WTF is a metal midget?

 

[[icon]]

Sorry man, but you should probably give up.What would comparing a Brady's Week 1 last season to Brady's Week 1 this season prove? What he did clearly contradicts the "point" you were trying to make. What you are now asking him to do would be "manipulating numbers" and would clearly not make any kind of statement at all.

This "theory" (if you can even call it that) is "SSS/Inconclusive" at best and "laughably arbitrary" at worst.

 

[BroadwayG]

I can get behind this. When factoring 2012 weekly projections the most likely indicator of success should be the corresponding week in 2011. Brady needed to surpass 517/4 or his week was a catastrophic failure.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board.

We could probably start with yours. Stay classy, kid. He simply suggested you post some numbers to back up your assertion.... which is a valid request. If "even a mental midget" could look it up, why didn't you do so?

ETA: WTF is a metal midget?

Metal Midget

 

[doeseatplace]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board.

We could probably start with yours. Stay classy, kid. He simply suggested you post some numbers to back up your assertion.... which is a valid request. If "even a mental midget" could look it up, why didn't you do so?

ETA: WTF is a metal midget?

Metal Midget

Excellent

 

[rickyg]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board.

We could probably start with yours. Stay classy, kid. He simply suggested you post some numbers to back up your assertion.... which is a valid request. If "even a mental midget" could look it up, why didn't you do so?

ETA: WTF is a metal midget?

Metal Midget

Excellent

Love it! Thanks for bringing some levity into this Larry!

 

[BassNBrew]

FYI...the top QBs going into last year were Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Brees, and Rivers.

Here were the top five for week one.

1 Brady, Tom NE 1 32 48 517 4 1 1 3 0 0 41.2

2 Henne, Chad MIA 1 30 49 416 2 1 7 59 1 0 39.7

3 Newton, Cam CAR 1 24 37 422 2 1 8 18 1 0 35.9

4 Brees, Drew NO 1 32 49 419 3 0 1 3 0 0 33.3

5 Rodgers, Aaron GB 1 27 35 312 3 0 4 1 0 0 27.7

Henne and Newton were afterthoughts in last year's draft.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Thoughts? My first thought is that if you're going to start this thread with this title, maybe you should bother to actually collect and post the statistical comparison.

I wish that this msg board was like Facebook where you can control your own thread and just delete useless, idiotic, posts that trolling losers leave just for the purpose of being an a hole or starting a virtual fight bc they probably have a crappy fantasy team and lost miserably or have a very small member and want to spread their misery to the world. I don't HAVE to post numbers for this thread to be meaningful bc anyone, even you metal midget, can determine with a quick observation that passing yards this week were WAY down across the board.

We could probably start with yours. Stay classy, kid. He simply suggested you post some numbers to back up your assertion.... which is a valid request. If "even a mental midget" could look it up, why didn't you do so?

ETA: WTF is a metal midget?

OP, you're a grade-A hypocrite. This is what I was saying:

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Here's an idea guys....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...what do yo guys think? Who wants do the research for me?

Stay excellent. I hope your guppy league with your brother-in-law is going well. Now I'm going to cry over my miserable life, my small member, and my terrible fantasy football teams. And not even necessarily in that order.

 

[cstu]

In 2011, 32 teams averaged 263 passing yards in Week 1. In 2012, 28 teams have averaged 256 passing yards with 2 games yet to play.

How about the standard deviation?