Toughest FF season to date... (1 Viewer)

[NJ OAK]

I'm looking over my 2-3 roster trying to make a trade for a stud WR because I'm pretty deep in RB's, but I can't even find a WR to target. After week 5 there are no stud WR's (at least none that look as if they could remain consistent anyway). So I was thinking about all the other skilled positions and realized that there are NO real studs at any position (aside from McNabb maybe). No wonder the guy who is 5-0 in my league has a mediocre roster at best. It's been luck that he's won. Seriously, who are the clear cut studs per position? Even LT, who to me seemed to be the safest candidate for consistent productivity, now seems to be losing lots of touches to Turner.

 

[my man otis]

IMO this is where skill comes to play more than luck. It's not just draft Faulk, Edge, LT2, Alexander and have a great team. The hits in the mid to late rounds and good WW work are actually rewarded.

Edit to say this should open up more avenues to trade for a WR that you may consider a stud but is not performing well YTD. Chad Johnson is a perfect example now.

Opportunity.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

T. Holt, the most consistent fantasy receivier is the guy to have. This guy should be number 1 WR taken every season until he shows that he declines which doesen't seem to be for a while.

 

[Ilov80s]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce, Sjax (oversight)

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

 

[G-Money]

2 Words......... Donovan McNabb

 

[dawgtrails]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Dude, you are so far off on so many of these tiers, I dont know where to start.Did you just list your scoring after 5 weeks for us? Or did you actually put any thought into these rankings?

Terry Glenn in tier 1? Ahead of Harrison, Smith, Boldin???

Steven Jackson not even in the top 5 tiers? Deuce in the top 8, along with Jones and Wilie parker?

Grossman and little Manning are not in the same tier as Peyton. Bulger should be higher, Frye lower, etc....

Much more, but I think I have said enough

 

[GrandpaRox]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Dude, you are so far off on so many of these tiers, I dont know where to start.Did you just list your scoring after 5 weeks for us? Or did you actually put any thought into these rankings?

Terry Glenn in tier 1? Ahead of Harrison, Smith, Boldin???

Steven Jackson not even in the top 5 tiers? Deuce in the top 8, along with Jones and Wilie parker?

Grossman and little Manning are not in the same tier as Peyton. Bulger should be higher, Frye lower, etc....

Much more, but I think I have said enough

Using Zealots scoring through week 5 (weekly averages) he is exactly on.I assume Stephen Jackson was just overlooked, he is in same tier as Gore FWP etc.

Your wish list might be different but this list is based on current production.

 

[Judge Smails]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Dude, you are so far off on so many of these tiers, I dont know where to start.Did you just list your scoring after 5 weeks for us? Or did you actually put any thought into these rankings?

Terry Glenn in tier 1? Ahead of Harrison, Smith, Boldin???

Steven Jackson not even in the top 5 tiers? Deuce in the top 8, along with Jones and Wilie parker?

Grossman and little Manning are not in the same tier as Peyton. Bulger should be higher, Frye lower, etc....

Much more, but I think I have said enough

Using Zealots scoring through week 5 (weekly averages) he is exactly on.I assume Stephen Jackson was just overlooked, he is in same tier as Gore FWP etc.

Your wish list might be different but this list is based on current production.

I don't care - end of the year won't look anything like those..

 

[cantrell]

2 Words......... Donovan McNabb

 

[Ilov80s]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Dude, you are so far off on so many of these tiers, I dont know where to start.

Did you just list your scoring after 5 weeks for us? Or did you actually put any thought into these rankings?

Terry Glenn in tier 1? Ahead of Harrison, Smith, Boldin???

Steven Jackson not even in the top 5 tiers? Deuce in the top 8, along with Jones and Wilie parker?

Grossman and little Manning are not in the same tier as Peyton. Bulger should be higher, Frye lower, etc....

Much more, but I think I have said enough

Using Zealots scoring through week 5 (weekly averages) he is exactly on.I assume Stephen Jackson was just overlooked, he is in same tier as Gore FWP etc.

Your wish list might be different but this list is based on current production.

I don't care - end of the year won't look anything like those..

SJax was an oversight. I agree Glenn might be overvalued, but I dont think its as far off as you think.I based it on current scoring, but took into considertation: strenght of schedule, past history, and current situation. Ofcourse there is plenty to argue, but I think it is pretty close to evaluating the top players.

 

[slickwillie]

two words.......robbie gould

 

[dawgtrails]

So you just listed the rankings of the players as they are to date?

Umm, thanks, any one of us can go to our fantasy website and do that.

So can I trade you Terry Glenn for Anquin Boldin?

How about Frye for Bulger?

 

[hotdogcollars]

who cares about the obviously way off secondary posting here.

point of the thread is absolutely correct. There are NO studs this year (save 2 or maybe 3 guys). And this totally brings skill into the mix. This year its going to come down to who you drafted mid to late rds, who your WW pickups are, how you play your matchups, and how well set up you are for your playoff schedule

 

[podunker]

Kellen Winslow has done well in my PPR league, It helps that I have McNabb, Holt to go with him! Also have Coles, he has been doing well, but not this week.

 

[videoguy505]

WRs are NEVER consistent. That's nothing new.

QBs also have off games here and there. PManning wasn't a stud for half of last year, either.

Even McNabb is partially a product of the weak D's he's faced, beating up on Houston, San Fran and Green Bay. With Indy, Carolina and the Jags on the horizon, he could "cool off" under your tight definition of "stud" being a guy who's consistently on top every single week.

 

[thecardiackid]

two words.......robbie gould

 

[flapgreen]

two words.......robbie gould

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I concur that year is very strange. Without boring you with the details, lets just say that I spend way too much time on this hobby and going into this year I thought I made all the right moves on draft day. After the draft when I compared the 12 teams in the league to porojections from this site, several other sites, and my own projections - I had drafted a monster team. 5 weeks into the season I sit at 0-5.

How are the other teams doing better? The emergence of players who are overperforming expectations and the "steady" players I drafted have woefully underperformed.

Lesson learned, it is a mistake to not take chances. By going the "steady" route I missed a ton of opportunities and the guys I drafted just haven't been steady and the guys I passed on have stepped it up.

 

[Bri]

IMO this is where skill comes to play more than luck. It's not just draft Faulk, Edge, LT2, Alexander and have a great team. The hits in the mid to late rounds and good WW work are actually rewarded.Edit to say this should open up more avenues to trade for a WR that you may consider a stud but is not performing well YTD. Chad Johnson is a perfect example now.Opportunity.

I agree with thisI've got my share of pain in the necks but I'm doing OK. The Ofer teams I look at in "my" leagues are not the best drafters. It's not about studs, it's about depth. One Ofer has Jurevicius, CJ, Mike Williams, Branch(we all knew he was holding out), Henry(has he ever been suspended?) and Kevin Curtis. Outside of CJ, Bad luck? I'm not buying that with anyone except maybe JJ. We knew the BS around those players but he drafted em'. At some point ya gotta pick a reliable vet and can't keep drafting these risks. It's self inflicted IMO.He "stole" Curtis late in the draft, so I thought, so most guys drafted that round have been replaced with WW guys, I'm not counting him. He's a "push" IMO.I'm waiting the Warner owner complains about Leinart.....foolish to not have a backup QB if you had Warner

 

[Wingnut]

Add Wilkins to the stud kicker list.

 

[Super King]

Add Wilkins to the stud kicker list.

Hes been money for me.

 

[Gravity]

I'd add Bears D as a stud.

Beyond that great posting. Studs will emerge - but the key will be determing who...

 

[Ilov80s]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Dude, you are so far off on so many of these tiers, I dont know where to start.Did you just list your scoring after 5 weeks for us? Or did you actually put any thought into these rankings?

Terry Glenn in tier 1? Ahead of Harrison, Smith, Boldin???

Steven Jackson not even in the top 5 tiers? Deuce in the top 8, along with Jones and Wilie parker?

Grossman and little Manning are not in the same tier as Peyton. Bulger should be higher, Frye lower, etc....

Much more, but I think I have said enough

Are these past or future tiers? Why is Bulger in the 4th tier when he has more average points per week than Kitna, Vick, Hasselbeck, and 20 more than Frye? The QB tiers stink. the RB tiers are ok except for the Jackson ommision. Why is Javon Walker in the first tier? Why are Wayne and Roy Will in different tiers when they have the same points? Why are Toomer and DJAX in different tiers with the exact same output? Where is Reggie Brown? He has more points than Wayne, Fitz, and Roy.

What do these tiers represent? It's not what they've scored because there is no way Chad Johnson should be listed. It's based on probable output with Wayne, CJ, Roy ranked that low and Jennings, Grossman, and Vick too high. Seriously why am I even responding to this post?

I now realize typing the tiers while was not a good idea. There were some guys way out of place. Here is an adjusted version.

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Bulger, Carr, Vick, Leftwich, Palmer,

4. Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington, Hass

5. Brees, Frye, Rivers, Alex Smith, Damon Huard

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce, Sjax, TBell (buying into the hype)

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, SMoss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin, Walker

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne, Brown

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Coles,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Now to answer some of the questions.

- I have DJax 1 tier ahead of Toomer because DJax is the #1 option while Toomer is the #2 option. When/If Shockey returns to 100%, then Toomer becomes then #3 option. Very close between the two.

- Roy and Wayne are in different tiers despite the same point output because Wayne is a better and more consistent offense. Roy is already hurt. Something all Lions' fans and Roy owners know is a frequent concern.

- Maybe CJ is too low, but he hasn't shown us much this year. 4 games and 3 duds. I think he continues to see double coverage and Housh/Henry thrive from it. Also Palmer doesn't seem quite 100% yet.

- I really expected a lot from Wayne, but when he only gets 24 yards at home against the Titans I get nervous. He has 1 TD in 5 games. He has 1 100 yard game. He is a #2 WR. His team is 5-0 and could very well be benching Wayne during the final 2 weeks of the season.

- Vick and Grossman have been outstanding all year. People need to wakeup on that.

- Jennings has clearly developed into Favre's go-to WR. He is both consistent and a big-play threat. He has triple digit targets in 3 games of the last 4 game. 359 yards and 3 TDs in the last 4 games. The Pack will chuck the ball all year and I think Jennings continues to shine.

Hope that clears things up. I am ready for the next onslaught of criticism.

 

[Ilov80s]

So you just listed the rankings of the players as they are to date?Umm, thanks, any one of us can go to our fantasy website and do that.So can I trade you Terry Glenn for Anquin Boldin?How about Frye for Bulger?

No, I did not list players to date. I considered some opinion, history, and situation to rank them. Sorry my rankings don't look just like every other "experts". Yes, I would trade Boldin for Glenn. What is so ridiculous about Glenn finishing above Boldin? The weapons in Dallas have created a lot of room for Glenn. Bledsoe has no feel for TO, but he is always insync with Glenn. Frye over Bulger? Mike Martz is not the QB in Stl. anymore. Bulger is now just another midlevel QB.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

There are strong tiers:

QB:

1. McNabb

2. Manning1, Manning2, Grossman

3. Kitna, Carr, Vick, Frye, Leftwich, Palmer, Hasselbeck

4. Bulger, Favre, Bledsoe, Brady, Pennington,

5. There 6 more QBs right in range of each other.

RB Standard Scoring

1. Westbrook, LJ

2. Portis, Rudi, LT

3. Gore, FWP, JJones, Deuce

4. Tiki, Chester, Fred, Brown, Edge, TBell, Alexander,

5. Foster, Maroney, Turner, TJones, KJones, Jones-Drew, Thodes, Addai, Dunn, MB3, McGahee, Henry, Dillon, Caddy,

6. 10 RBs that fit the same.

WR:

1. A. Johnson, Walker, Glenn, Holt

2. Berrian, Housh, Plax, Moss, DJax,

3. Toomer, Keyshawn, Jennings, Steve Smith, Harrison, Boldin

4. Stallworth, CJohnson, Jennings, Colston, Reggie Williams, Cotchery, Galloway, Wayne

5. Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald,

6. 10 more players all scoring about the same.

Dude, you are so far off on so many of these tiers, I dont know where to start.Did you just list your scoring after 5 weeks for us? Or did you actually put any thought into these rankings?

Terry Glenn in tier 1? Ahead of Harrison, Smith, Boldin???

Steven Jackson not even in the top 5 tiers? Deuce in the top 8, along with Jones and Wilie parker?

Grossman and little Manning are not in the same tier as Peyton. Bulger should be higher, Frye lower, etc....

Much more, but I think I have said enough

Are these past or future tiers? Why is Bulger in the 4th tier when he has more average points per week than Kitna, Vick, Hasselbeck, and 20 more than Frye? The QB tiers stink. the RB tiers are ok except for the Jackson ommision. Why is Javon Walker in the first tier? Why are Wayne and Roy Will in different tiers when they have the same points? Why are Toomer and DJAX in different tiers with the exact same output? Where is Reggie Brown? He has more points than Wayne, Fitz, and Roy.

What do these tiers represent? It's not what they've scored because there is no way Chad Johnson should be listed. It's based on probable output with Wayne, CJ, Roy ranked that low and Jennings, Grossman, and Vick too high. Seriously why am I even responding to this post?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So you just listed the rankings of the players as they are to date?Umm, thanks, any one of us can go to our fantasy website and do that.So can I trade you Terry Glenn for Anquin Boldin?How about Frye for Bulger?

No, I did not list players to date. I considered some opinion, history, and situation to rank them. Sorry my rankings don't look just like every other "experts". Yes, I would trade Boldin for Glenn. What is so ridiculous about Glenn finishing above Boldin? The weapons in Dallas have created a lot of room for Glenn. Bledsoe has no feel for TO, but he is always insync with Glenn. Frye over Bulger? Mike Martz is not the QB in Stl. anymore. Bulger is now just another midlevel QB.

Oh I see. Dude no problem with putting your future projections/tiers in here but tell us what it is you're posting. There was no guide, baseline, comparison....nothing. Tell us why you ranked them that way and your opinion is valid but personally I had no idea what was going on there.

 

[ChampBailey24]

No love for Rudi? The guy is a consistent stud.